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UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387

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It's just a load of shills arguing amongst themselves accusing each other of being shills
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Dude, since March 25 until today I have made 81 posts on this thread.

You - 66.

Sun_Dancer - 486!

You think you and me are shills? BS!

I think he is. No sane person keeps such an amount of dedication and repeatedness he has shown. He posts every single day at least a dozen posts on this thread. And most of them shillering for Putin/Russia.

I have nothing against him, he is smart and articulate. But this amount of activity outs him as a member of Russia's internet warriors IMHO.
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loggol says moi troops increased rediness nowhere has this ben confirmed just loggol spouting more bullshit

Does loggol actually get paid to do this crap
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There are also reports that troops of the Russian Ministry of Internal Affairs attached to the Central Regional Command of Internal Troops have been ordered to increase their readiness. This is a worrying sign, as the war-time task of troops of the Ministry of Internal Affairs is to pacify populations in occupied territory. The raised readiness of Russian Ministry of Internal Affairs troops could therefore indicate the Kremlin’s preparations to actually invade Ukraine – and to take measures to establish and maintain control of the occupied Ukrainian territories.

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It's just a load of shills arguing amongst themselves accusing each other of being shills
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Dude, since March 25 until today I have made 81 posts on this thread.

You - 66.

Sun_Dancer - 486!

You think you and me are shills? BS!

I think he is. No sane person keeps such an amount of dedication and repeatedness he has shown. He posts every single day at least a dozen posts on this thread. And most of them shillering for Putin/Russia.

I have nothing against him, he is smart and articulate. But this amount of activity outs him as a member of Russia's internet warriors IMHO.
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Hmmm never posted a thread but has one hell of a opinion on this one. Hmmmm.
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The list of the Kremlin/FSB/Russian secret service agents who arrived to Kyiv airport on Feb20 -the day when most protestors where shot by the snipers.

[link to www.facebook.com (secure)]
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Certainly I would not be surprised if Ukraine was seeking consultation with Russia on their anti-terrorism operations (recall that on the night of Feb. 19, a huge arsenal of weapons was stolen from a military depot around L'viv, where the most right-wing radicals are centered, and the Ukrainian government was expecting attempts at armed insurrection - Russia sending advisers under these circumstances would be normal).

But, the FB claims it was flight 1818 on Feb. 20. It looks to me that this flight was scheduled to land at 19:15 in Kiev ( [link to info.flightmapper.net] long after the violence had already ended.
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Tatar Nation: The Other Crimea

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oops

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There was a geezer here a week ago claiming to be posting from GCHQ, he'd "been briefed" and ww3 was on the cards.

Wish he would come back, just to prove the incompetence of his employers, and vary the input.

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There was a geezer here a week ago claiming to be posting from GCHQ, he'd "been briefed" and ww3 was on the cards.

Wish he would come back, just to prove the incompetence of his employers, and vary the input.

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He can't come back he is in a wheelie bin lol on the moors.
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It's just a load of shills arguing amongst themselves accusing each other of being shills
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Dude, since March 25 until today I have made 81 posts on this thread.

You - 66.

Sun_Dancer - 486!

You think you and me are shills? BS!

I think he is. No sane person keeps such an amount of dedication and repeatedness he has shown. He posts every single day at least a dozen posts on this thread. And most of them shillering for Putin/Russia.

I have nothing against him, he is smart and articulate. But this amount of activity outs him as a member of Russia's internet warriors IMHO.
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he's telling the truth so fu shillwhatever
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Khodorkovsky Center @mbk_center
Russia Clamps Down Further On U.S. International Media [link to www.bbg.gov] …
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If they do that they would just end up in the same place the US has been for a long time - see 47 U.S. Code § 310 [License ownership restrictions] (banning "foreign governments or their representatives" from any broadcast license in the USA) [link to www.law.cornell.edu] ; see also [link to transition.fcc.gov]

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It's just a load of shills arguing amongst themselves accusing each other of being shills
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Dude, since March 25 until today I have made 81 posts on this thread.

You - 66.

Sun_Dancer - 486!

You think you and me are shills? BS!

I think he is. No sane person keeps such an amount of dedication and repeatedness he has shown. He posts every single day at least a dozen posts on this thread. And most of them shillering for Putin/Russia.

I have nothing against him, he is smart and articulate. But this amount of activity outs him as a member of Russia's internet warriors IMHO.
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he's telling the truth so fu shillwhatever
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Lol Sun dancer is a MEAG SHILL.
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If it wasn't for that shill going mad on the Sandy Hook thread I would never believe shills would bother to target the site. Do intelligence agencies just have too much money to burn?
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If it wasn't for that shill going mad on the Sandy Hook thread I would never believe shills would bother to target the site. Do intelligence agencies just have too much money to burn?
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They do indeed RBR you just got to suss them out.
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Hmmm never posted a thread but has one hell of a opinion on this one. Hmmmm.
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LMAO, never thought I'd be at the center of a conspiracy theory!

Yeah, my friend was visiting me and we were speaking a lot about the situation in Ukraine and he pointed me to this thread. I thought it was interesting and joined (the conversation, not as a member), made a few posts, and was banned. Ended up creating an account to circumvent the ban. But yeah, I joined GLP specifically for this thread, because I wanted to discuss the Ukraine situation with other interested people and this seemed like a good place to do it.

Maybe I was wrong, so many haters on here ....

And really nobody in their right mind would pay someone to put the kind of time I have into this and post on freaking GLP. With all the original writing I am doing, I would at least have a blog, if not a whole website. Get a grip on reality!

But I will candidly admit, part of the reason I am spending so much time on this is that I am considering starting a website for political analysis of the NWO. Spending a lot of time here and researching issues is a sort of "trial run" to see if I would enjoy doing that. And, for what it's worth, no, nobody is funding me to do it, but if you know someone who would pay for advertising on an anti-NWO site, do feel free to private message me!

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If it wasn't for that shill going mad on the Sandy Hook thread I would never believe shills would bother to target the site. Do intelligence agencies just have too much money to burn?
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They do indeed RBR you just got to suss them out.
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Hmmm never posted a thread but has one hell of a opinion on this one. Hmmmm.
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LMAO, never thought I'd be at the center of a conspiracy theory!

Yeah, my friend was visiting me and we were speaking a lot about the situation in Ukraine and he pointed me to this thread. I thought it was interesting and joined (the conversation, not as a member), made a few posts, and was banned. Ended up creating an account to circumvent the ban. But yeah, I joined GLP specifically for this thread, because I wanted to discuss the Ukraine situation with other interested people and this seemed like a good place to do it.

Maybe I was wrong, so many haters on here ....

And really nobody in their right mind would pay someone to put the kind of time I have into this and post on freaking GLP. With all the original writing I am doing, I would at least have a blog, if not a whole website. Get a grip on reality!

But I will candidly admit, part of the reason I am spending so much time on this is that I am considering starting a website for political analysis of the NWO. Spending a lot of time here and researching issues is a sort of "trial run" to see if I would enjoy doing that. And, for what it's worth, no, nobody is funding me to do it, but if you know someone who would pay for advertising on an anti-NWO site, do feel free to private message me!
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Save it Joe we got your number I'm not bothering anymore I know what you are period.
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If it wasn't for that shill going mad on the Sandy Hook thread I would never believe shills would bother to target the site. Do intelligence agencies just have too much money to burn?
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they put them on glp for training.
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If it wasn't for that shill going mad on the Sandy Hook thread I would never believe shills would bother to target the site. Do intelligence agencies just have too much money to burn?
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they put them on glp for training.
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gwdance
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I'm not able to come to the conclusion that Sun_dancer is a shill. It's quite possible he is just passionate about his point of view. And anyway this is a conspiracy site. Surely it would be easier to find people who were opposed to the MSM explanation than for it?
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I'm not able to come to the conclusion that Sun_dancer is a shill. It's quite possible he is just passionate about his point of view. And anyway this is a conspiracy site. Surely it would be easier to find people who were opposed to the MSM explanation than for it?
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if there were any shills they would be working for the defence of the msm viewpoint
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I never argued that Russia was incapable of invading Ukraine, on relatively short notice - but they could do that with troops stationed in their barracks. My point always was there are no hidden troops now massed on the border poised to invade, and I still don't think there are. Of course this situation can change, just like US or Israel could try to bomb Iran next month.
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You have absolutely know knowledge of Russian troop placements. Your argument is with assessments about Russian intentions which cannot be discerned completely from troop movements. I am not really that upset about them but it is naïve to say that troops stationed in their barracks could move in anywhere near the time that forward deployed troops could move. These are matters for technical analysts and neither of us has the hard data yet you insist that your conclusion is credible.

To repeat, the situation is rife with tension and the Russian intentions are unclear, as you admit. It would make no sense in such a situation for Russia not to have deployed its troops to shorten the reaction time if a decision to go in was made. The west claims to be observing that. Like everything else we can't independently verify it could be BS but there is no good argument at this point that those claims aren't plausible.
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I also have no knowledge of Chinese troop movements - however, if someone is claiming time and time again that China has 100,000 troops outside Los Angeles poised for invasion, for weeks on end, without any evidence, then I don't believe it. Make sense? Especially when this "someone" has on many occasions lied/"been wrong" about such things.

As to what "makes sense", everyone can speculate. But I submit it is not possible to hide moving 100,000 troops back and forth from the border in relatively densely populated Western Russia, because it would be exposed either by citizens, tourists, the countless Ukrainians who are living there and have cameras, the numerous overflights that have happened (and are indeed ongoing, with the cooperation of Russia), the several journalists from NBC, NY Times and elsewhere who have gone looking for these troops, or the countless satellites circling our planet with very sophisticated imaging (including thermal imaging) capabilities.

You can believe what you want, even Santa Claus or the tooth fairy if you want :). I need evidence. And, I was just answering a question.
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No one has said they are hiding. You deny reports without refuting them. Absence of evidence that you would accept is hardly good evidence of absence. These are straw man arguments. You can't just pick out the most extreme report from the most biased source to dismiss the whole subject. "Poised for invasion" is a phrase about intentions which we can agree that no one knows. Most of what you post is reasoned but this isn't.

The Russian statements have actually been very careful and qualified on this subject. If it were really a complete fabrication why wouldn't they say so? The truth is more evasive. The Russians deny intent, not the presence or absence of troops in specific numbers at specific distances from the border.

You are ridiculing without knowledge and the meaning of various characterizations of the facts can be as elusive as the meaning of "economic coercion" as a technical term. The truth is elusive here but the fact that this subject isn't being dismissed out of hand by the other side means it hardly falls into the Santa Claus or the tooth fairy category.
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I'm not able to come to the conclusion that Sun_dancer is a shill. It's quite possible he is just passionate about his point of view. And anyway this is a conspiracy site. Surely it would be easier to find people who were opposed to the MSM explanation than for it?
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I agree but this guy, gal has a bit of an obsession don't you think?

Equelling SHILL, anyway I give in. Listen to the SHILL master if you want I will keep on drawing my own conclusions. Just my opinion.peace
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I'm not able to come to the conclusion that Sun_dancer is a shill. It's quite possible he is just passionate about his point of view. And anyway this is a conspiracy site. Surely it would be easier to find people who were opposed to the MSM explanation than for it?
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I agree but this guy, gal has a bit of an obsession don't you think?

Equelling SHILL, anyway I give in. Listen to the SHILL master if you want I will keep on drawing my own conclusions. Just my opinion.peace
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It's possible he's a shill but the evidence isn't that strong in my opinion.
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I'm not able to come to the conclusion that Sun_dancer is a shill. It's quite possible he is just passionate about his point of view. And anyway this is a conspiracy site. Surely it would be easier to find people who were opposed to the MSM explanation than for it?
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I agree but this guy, gal has a bit of an obsession don't you think?

Equelling SHILL, anyway I give in. Listen to the SHILL master if you want I will keep on drawing my own conclusions. Just my opinion.peace
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labeling someone a shill is the only defense you and many others have to not being able to prove what he/she has said as true or untrue
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I'm not able to come to the conclusion that Sun_dancer is a shill. It's quite possible he is just passionate about his point of view. And anyway this is a conspiracy site. Surely it would be easier to find people who were opposed to the MSM explanation than for it?
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I agree but this guy, gal has a bit of an obsession don't you think?

Equelling SHILL, anyway I give in. Listen to the SHILL master if you want I will keep on drawing my own conclusions. Just my opinion.peace
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labeling someone a shill is the only defense you and many others have to not being able to prove what he/she has said as true or untrue
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+1
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page 2205 and still no invasion. damn
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page 2205 and still no invasion. damn
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page 2205 and still no invasion. damn
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you could say the western powers have subversively invaded the power structures within ukraine. their is your invasion.
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Sun Dancer is not a shill. He is just heavily invested in the notion that Russia occupies the high moral ground in this dispute. I believe that that is old news. Now that the war game is playing out there are no rules on either side. Even the innocent eventually find the capacity to rise above principle. Neither side is that innocent now that it is game on. I find it fascinating. Like seeing a slow motion train wreck or watching a snake uncoil.
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I never argued that Russia was incapable of invading Ukraine, on relatively short notice - but they could do that with troops stationed in their barracks. My point always was there are no hidden troops now massed on the border poised to invade, and I still don't think there are. Of course this situation can change, just like US or Israel could try to bomb Iran next month.
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You have absolutely know knowledge of Russian troop placements. Your argument is with assessments about Russian intentions which cannot be discerned completely from troop movements. I am not really that upset about them but it is naïve to say that troops stationed in their barracks could move in anywhere near the time that forward deployed troops could move. These are matters for technical analysts and neither of us has the hard data yet you insist that your conclusion is credible.

To repeat, the situation is rife with tension and the Russian intentions are unclear, as you admit. It would make no sense in such a situation for Russia not to have deployed its troops to shorten the reaction time if a decision to go in was made. The west claims to be observing that. Like everything else we can't independently verify it could be BS but there is no good argument at this point that those claims aren't plausible.
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I also have no knowledge of Chinese troop movements - however, if someone is claiming time and time again that China has 100,000 troops outside Los Angeles poised for invasion, for weeks on end, without any evidence, then I don't believe it. Make sense? Especially when this "someone" has on many occasions lied/"been wrong" about such things.

As to what "makes sense", everyone can speculate. But I submit it is not possible to hide moving 100,000 troops back and forth from the border in relatively densely populated Western Russia, because it would be exposed either by citizens, tourists, the countless Ukrainians who are living there and have cameras, the numerous overflights that have happened (and are indeed ongoing, with the cooperation of Russia), the several journalists from NBC, NY Times and elsewhere who have gone looking for these troops, or the countless satellites circling our planet with very sophisticated imaging (including thermal imaging) capabilities.

You can believe what you want, even Santa Claus or the tooth fairy if you want :). I need evidence. And, I was just answering a question.
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No one has said they are hiding. You deny reports without refuting them. Absence of evidence that you would accept is hardly good evidence of absence. These are straw man arguments. You can't just pick out the most extreme report from the most biased source to dismiss the whole subject. "Poised for invasion" is a phrase about intentions which we can agree that no one knows. Most of what you post is reasoned but this isn't.

The Russian statements have actually been very careful and qualified on this subject. If it were really a complete fabrication why wouldn't they say so? The truth is more evasive. The Russians deny intent, not the presence or absence of troops in specific numbers at specific distances from the border.

You are ridiculing without knowledge and the meaning of various characterizations of the facts can be as elusive as the meaning of "economic coercion" as a technical term. The truth is elusive here but the fact that this subject isn't being dismissed out of hand by the other side means it hardly falls into the Santa Claus or the tooth fairy category.
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This +100


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