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UKRAINE: BREAKING: Fire at Donetsk chemical factory right now!!!p6299

 
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Putler is only worried that what happened in Ukraine, doesn't happen in Russia. He has a very corrupt regime. Where would he run to?
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Nah, more corrupt regime is in Kiev. There is lots of proof of that. But proof of Putin's corruption - despite millons of people wishing for it, none has appeared. Probably no man is under as much scrutiny by people who want to prove he is evil, as Putin. And interestingly, Putin's regime has done a lot to fight corruption; when he does, he gets attacked (e.g., Khodovorsky, many others), when he doesn't, he gets attacked.

You should worry about your own corrupt government. Ukraine is very very very corrupt, and current junta has for 20 years been part of this system! And your "leading" presidential contender is a totally corrupt billionaire! But keep looking for problems in Russia, that's what the corrupt junta in Kiev wants you to do!

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This one's for you Sundance - not that it is conclusive evidence of the size of build up as has been alleged by the West, but their certainly is an increase in prescence


gandalf greybeard‏@gerrydogma·43 mins
Commercial sat imagery showing part of the buildup of Russian forces close to Ukraine border around Belgorod [link to www.janes.com] …
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Jerry Popowicz‏@JerryPopowicz·25m
So this is how tightly they park Russian military vehicles at Belgorod (Photo from March 20) SRC:VK #Ukraine pic.twitter.com/2HbVnjQCey
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"Ukraine is planning to agree reverse supplies of natural gas with Europe, but still needs Russian gas to satisfy the demands of its economy," Ukrainian Energy Minister Yuri Prodan said Friday.

[link to voiceofrussia.com]


So, Russia sales the GAS to Europe via Ukraine pipe lines and Ukraine will buy GAS from Europe bypassing Russian sale. WOW!!! What a deal!!! LOL LOL

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Yes but I wonder if Russia's gas contracts with Europe prohibit gas resale (this is a common provision). If so Russia can raise prices to Europe to make up for the difference.
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Latvia Suspends Russian-Language TV Station
Media Watchdog Cites Alleged 'War Propaganda'

[link to online.wsj.com]
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This one's for you Sundance - not that it is conclusive evidence of the size of build up as has been alleged by the West, but their certainly is an increase in prescence


gandalf greybeard‏@gerrydogma·43 mins
Commercial sat imagery showing part of the buildup of Russian forces close to Ukraine border around Belgorod [link to www.janes.com] …
 Quoting: Newshunter


WTF at the resolution!
And this is Russian troops according to what evidence?
Place?

150000 of troops hiding, training, and this is the evidence?

rofl5
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Euromaidan PR‏@EuromaidanPR·5m
#UK's William #Hague: we haven't seen real de-escalation by #Russia, Europe must not relax in preparing a third tier of sanctions. reeuuters
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What he really wants to say is "Russia is not giving back Crimea, they are still saying we violated International Law and that the current Kiev Government is not legal therefore we won't talk to them"

So lets stop with the poking and cornering, now we'll just start slapping the crap out of Putin and pull a gun on him so he finally does what we want. Either budge or set off the War.


Now that's just rhetorically, but that's what it seems like they're gonna do. Watch Putin smack the gun out of their hands and give them a swift kick in the nuts that will make them regret what they did. They won't get shit back and they won't get WWIII. Man these people are so dumb for trying to screw with Russia.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 56430216

Unfortunately EU and US is full of misguided sheeple who would go to war on behalf of such complete mass-murdering shit-stirring lieing cowards as Rasmussen, Hague, Nuland, etc.
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@euromaidanpr: Big part of Ukrainian mil equipment withdrawn from #Crimea was damaged by #Russian occupant troops, some items seized. ukrpravda |PR News
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Pity Ukraine didn't have bombs set on the ships Russia stole.
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So you traded a few ships for a "partnership" with NATO. Do you think NATO would pay for gas to power your ships or would you have to row them?
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Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Ukraine asks Russia to provide information for the investigation of the causes of deaths

International Panorama April 4, 9:22 p.m. UTC +4

KIEV, April 4. / ITAR-TASS /. Ukraine's Foreign Ministry sent a note to Russia to provide information "as part of pre-trial investigation in criminal proceedings, which is conducted in order to establish a true picture of the events that occurred in Ukraine in January-February 2014 and resulted in the death and injury to people." This is stated in a statement posted on the website of the Ukrainian Foreign Ministry.
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This one's for you Sundance - not that it is conclusive evidence of the size of build up as has been alleged by the West, but their certainly is an increase in prescence


gandalf greybeard‏@gerrydogma·43 mins
Commercial sat imagery showing part of the buildup of Russian forces close to Ukraine border around Belgorod [link to www.janes.com] …
 Quoting: Newshunter


Thanks for that - do you have anything new on the OSCE flyovers that were happening the last few days?
In regards to that image-my comment:

Oh that's smart, show us a night shot from November then compare that to daylight of March. Look carefully, they don't even use the same resolution, November is night and zoomed out so you can't tell what's there compared to March, lol. I don't see much of a difference except a couple of vehicles extra. This is a military base on their soil and Russia can do what they want on it. That still doesn't show the claimed 50,000 or 100,000 troops ready for an invasion into Ukraine. Are they still hiding in "Sherwood Forest" or what?
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This one's for you Sundance - not that it is conclusive evidence of the size of build up as has been alleged by the West, but their certainly is an increase in prescence


gandalf greybeard‏@gerrydogma·43 mins
Commercial sat imagery showing part of the buildup of Russian forces close to Ukraine border around Belgorod [link to www.janes.com] …
 Quoting: Newshunter


WTF at the resolution!
And this is Russian troops according to what evidence?
Place?

150000 of troops hiding, training, and this is the evidence?

rofl5
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 56431472


It's "Janes" for crying out loud. As far as defense related sourcing - it's about as good as it gets.
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@euromaidanpr: Big part of Ukrainian mil equipment withdrawn from #Crimea was damaged by #Russian occupant troops, some items seized. ukrpravda |PR News
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Pity Ukraine didn't have bombs set on the ships Russia stole.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 54622593


So you traded a few ships for a "partnership" with NATO. Do you think NATO would pay for gas to power your ships or would you have to row them?
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NATO will let them row...not just on their ships.
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USAID tried to arrange the "orange revolution" in Cuba, says expert

WASHINGTON, April 4 - RIA Novosti, Alexei Bogdanovsky. U.S. Agency for International Development (USAID) has tried to make a "orange revolution" in Cuba, but this idea is not supported in all of the U.S. administration, told RIA Novosti on Friday director of the Washington-based Center for Strategic Technologies Strategic and International Studies (CSIS), cybersecurity expert James Lewis.
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This one's for you Sundance - not that it is conclusive evidence of the size of build up as has been alleged by the West, but their certainly is an increase in prescence


gandalf greybeard‏@gerrydogma·43 mins
Commercial sat imagery showing part of the buildup of Russian forces close to Ukraine border around Belgorod [link to www.janes.com] …
 Quoting: Newshunter


WTF at the resolution!
And this is Russian troops according to what evidence?
Place?

150000 of troops hiding, training, and this is the evidence?

rofl5
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So are you going to economically coerce me or what?
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This one's for you Sundance - not that it is conclusive evidence of the size of build up as has been alleged by the West, but their certainly is an increase in prescence


gandalf greybeard‏@gerrydogma·43 mins
Commercial sat imagery showing part of the buildup of Russian forces close to Ukraine border around Belgorod [link to www.janes.com] …
 Quoting: Newshunter


WTF at the resolution!
And this is Russian troops according to what evidence?
Place?

150000 of troops hiding, training, and this is the evidence?

rofl5
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 56431472


It's "Janes" for crying out loud. As far as defense related sourcing - it's about as good as it gets.
 Quoting: Newshunter


Well sadly it's good enough for US,NATO!

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Hans de Vreij ‏@hdevreij · 21 min
Capital exodus from #Russia: the money mainly goes to #Cyprus, #Netherlands, and #Virgin Islands, Dutch newspaper NRC reports
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Russia Dismisses Alleged Recording of Remarks on Ukrainian Crisis as 'Phony Concoction'

20:01 04/04/2014

MOSCOW, April 4 (RIA Novosti) – The Russian Foreign Ministry dismissed on Friday an alleged recording of a conversation between two Russian diplomats as a “phony compilation of sounds, subtitles and pictures” that does not deserve a commentary.

Some media sources earlier reported that a recording of an alleged conversation between two Russian ambassadors in Africa with remarks on the UN voting on Crimea resolution had been circulated on the Internet.
The ministry said that some of the pictures used in the clip were of former Soviet ambassador to US Yuri Dubinin, who died in 2013.

“It is a hastily and cynically concocted story, made in a botched up attempt to divert attention from scandals around remarks by Western diplomats on Ukraine that have recently been revealed to the public,” the ministry concluded.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 56405552


This is interesting. Notice that the Russian response serves as an effective reminder to the earlier damaging releases of real conversations. It makes me think that the whole thing was a ridiculous Russian concoction designed for that very purpose. It might not be a western plant at all for all of the reasons previously discussed on this thread.
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This one's for you Sundance - not that it is conclusive evidence of the size of build up as has been alleged by the West, but their certainly is an increase in prescence


gandalf greybeard‏@gerrydogma·43 mins
Commercial sat imagery showing part of the buildup of Russian forces close to Ukraine border around Belgorod [link to www.janes.com] …
 Quoting: Newshunter


WTF at the resolution!
And this is Russian troops according to what evidence?
Place?

150000 of troops hiding, training, and this is the evidence?

rofl5
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So are you going to economically coerce me or what?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 56408965

Why so hurry?

How about apple ?

Just to see what comes out of it?
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@euromaidanpr: Big part of Ukrainian mil equipment withdrawn from #Crimea was damaged by #Russian occupant troops, some items seized. ukrpravda |PR News
 Quoting: Newshunter


Pity Ukraine didn't have bombs set on the ships Russia stole.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 54622593


So you traded a few ships for a "partnership" with NATO. Do you think NATO would pay for gas to power your ships or would you have to row them?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 50769403


NATO will let them row...not just on their ships.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 56432769


Well hey, you get what you ask for. Sometimes you get more than you asked for. I wonder how long it will be before the Ukrainian people start to realize that and begin looking for a back door.
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Russia Dismisses Alleged Recording of Remarks on Ukrainian Crisis as 'Phony Concoction'

20:01 04/04/2014

MOSCOW, April 4 (RIA Novosti) – The Russian Foreign Ministry dismissed on Friday an alleged recording of a conversation between two Russian diplomats as a “phony compilation of sounds, subtitles and pictures” that does not deserve a commentary.

Some media sources earlier reported that a recording of an alleged conversation between two Russian ambassadors in Africa with remarks on the UN voting on Crimea resolution had been circulated on the Internet.
The ministry said that some of the pictures used in the clip were of former Soviet ambassador to US Yuri Dubinin, who died in 2013.

“It is a hastily and cynically concocted story, made in a botched up attempt to divert attention from scandals around remarks by Western diplomats on Ukraine that have recently been revealed to the public,” the ministry concluded.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 56405552


This is interesting. Notice that the Russian response serves as an effective reminder to the earlier damaging releases of real conversations. It makes me think that the whole thing was a ridiculous Russian concoction designed for that very purpose. It might not be a western plant at all for all of the reasons previously discussed on this thread.
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You're right its not a western plant, at this point my bet is on Mossad
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The next 24 hours will be interesting
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The next 24 hours will be interesting
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Uncle intel?
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The next 24 hours will be interesting
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???
"Blood and destruction shall be so in use And dreadful objects so familiar That mothers shall but smile when they behold Their infants quarter'd with the hands of war"
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The next 24 hours will be interesting
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Uncle intel?
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no
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With markets closing and all.
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The next 24 hours will be interesting
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Why? Anything new?
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The next 24 hours will be interesting
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Uncle intel?
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beat me to it...the weeks have been interesting and until NATO stops (which they won't because this was planned at least 20 years now), this will continue to be interesting.
I don't need any uncle intel to know that.

Please guys read "NATO 1992 Force posture" document!!!
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Still waiting for Russia's response to Obama signing off on sanctions yesterday...
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Still waiting for Russia's response to Obama signing off on sanctions yesterday...
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Russia’s deputy PM on U.S. sanctions: ‘Send me your teeth ground in impotent rage’
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Still waiting for Russia's response to Obama signing off on sanctions yesterday...
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I dont thjnk we will get one. Russia is taking a more dynamic approach with their retaliatory sanctions. They make them up as and when they see fit. They have said all they need to say on the matter.

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