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UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387

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This one's for you Sundance - not that it is conclusive evidence of the size of build up as has been alleged by the West, but their certainly is an increase in prescence


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Commercial sat imagery showing part of the buildup of Russian forces close to Ukraine border around Belgorod [link to www.janes.com] …
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WTF at the resolution!
And this is Russian troops according to what evidence?
Place?

150000 of troops hiding, training, and this is the evidence?

rofl5
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So are you going to economically coerce me or what?
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This one's for you Sundance - not that it is conclusive evidence of the size of build up as has been alleged by the West, but their certainly is an increase in prescence


gandalf greybeard‏@gerrydogma·43 mins
Commercial sat imagery showing part of the buildup of Russian forces close to Ukraine border around Belgorod [link to www.janes.com] …
 Quoting: Newshunter


WTF at the resolution!
And this is Russian troops according to what evidence?
Place?

150000 of troops hiding, training, and this is the evidence?

rofl5
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It's "Janes" for crying out loud. As far as defense related sourcing - it's about as good as it gets.
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Well sadly it's good enough for US,NATO!

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Capital exodus from #Russia: the money mainly goes to #Cyprus, #Netherlands, and #Virgin Islands, Dutch newspaper NRC reports
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Russia Dismisses Alleged Recording of Remarks on Ukrainian Crisis as 'Phony Concoction'

20:01 04/04/2014

MOSCOW, April 4 (RIA Novosti) – The Russian Foreign Ministry dismissed on Friday an alleged recording of a conversation between two Russian diplomats as a “phony compilation of sounds, subtitles and pictures” that does not deserve a commentary.

Some media sources earlier reported that a recording of an alleged conversation between two Russian ambassadors in Africa with remarks on the UN voting on Crimea resolution had been circulated on the Internet.
The ministry said that some of the pictures used in the clip were of former Soviet ambassador to US Yuri Dubinin, who died in 2013.

“It is a hastily and cynically concocted story, made in a botched up attempt to divert attention from scandals around remarks by Western diplomats on Ukraine that have recently been revealed to the public,” the ministry concluded.
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This is interesting. Notice that the Russian response serves as an effective reminder to the earlier damaging releases of real conversations. It makes me think that the whole thing was a ridiculous Russian concoction designed for that very purpose. It might not be a western plant at all for all of the reasons previously discussed on this thread.
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This one's for you Sundance - not that it is conclusive evidence of the size of build up as has been alleged by the West, but their certainly is an increase in prescence


gandalf greybeard‏@gerrydogma·43 mins
Commercial sat imagery showing part of the buildup of Russian forces close to Ukraine border around Belgorod [link to www.janes.com] …
 Quoting: Newshunter


WTF at the resolution!
And this is Russian troops according to what evidence?
Place?

150000 of troops hiding, training, and this is the evidence?

rofl5
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So are you going to economically coerce me or what?
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Why so hurry?

How about :apple: ?

Just to see what comes out of it?
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@euromaidanpr: Big part of Ukrainian mil equipment withdrawn from #Crimea was damaged by #Russian occupant troops, some items seized. ukrpravda |PR News
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Pity Ukraine didn't have bombs set on the ships Russia stole.
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So you traded a few ships for a "partnership" with NATO. Do you think NATO would pay for gas to power your ships or would you have to row them?
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NATO will let them row...not just on their ships.
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Well hey, you get what you ask for. Sometimes you get more than you asked for. I wonder how long it will be before the Ukrainian people start to realize that and begin looking for a back door.
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Russia Dismisses Alleged Recording of Remarks on Ukrainian Crisis as 'Phony Concoction'

20:01 04/04/2014

MOSCOW, April 4 (RIA Novosti) – The Russian Foreign Ministry dismissed on Friday an alleged recording of a conversation between two Russian diplomats as a “phony compilation of sounds, subtitles and pictures” that does not deserve a commentary.

Some media sources earlier reported that a recording of an alleged conversation between two Russian ambassadors in Africa with remarks on the UN voting on Crimea resolution had been circulated on the Internet.
The ministry said that some of the pictures used in the clip were of former Soviet ambassador to US Yuri Dubinin, who died in 2013.

“It is a hastily and cynically concocted story, made in a botched up attempt to divert attention from scandals around remarks by Western diplomats on Ukraine that have recently been revealed to the public,” the ministry concluded.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 56405552


This is interesting. Notice that the Russian response serves as an effective reminder to the earlier damaging releases of real conversations. It makes me think that the whole thing was a ridiculous Russian concoction designed for that very purpose. It might not be a western plant at all for all of the reasons previously discussed on this thread.
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You're right its not a western plant, at this point my bet is on Mossad
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The next 24 hours will be interesting
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The next 24 hours will be interesting
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Uncle intel?
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The next 24 hours will be interesting
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???
"So much, for the glory of Rome...“
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The next 24 hours will be interesting
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Uncle intel?
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no
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With markets closing and all.
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The next 24 hours will be interesting
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Why? Anything new?
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The next 24 hours will be interesting
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Uncle intel?
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beat me to it...the weeks have been interesting and until NATO stops (which they won't because this was planned at least 20 years now), this will continue to be interesting.
I don't need any uncle intel to know that.

Please guys read "NATO 1992 Force posture" document!!!
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Still waiting for Russia's response to Obama signing off on sanctions yesterday...
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Still waiting for Russia's response to Obama signing off on sanctions yesterday...
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Russia’s deputy PM on U.S. sanctions: ‘Send me your teeth ground in impotent rage’
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Still waiting for Russia's response to Obama signing off on sanctions yesterday...
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I dont thjnk we will get one. Russia is taking a more dynamic approach with their retaliatory sanctions. They make them up as and when they see fit. They have said all they need to say on the matter.
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Still waiting for Russia's response to Obama signing off on sanctions yesterday...
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I want to hear the response to the aid, which is apparently illegal under US law.
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Situation around Crimea could affect Ukraine-China defense cooperation – source

The current situation around Crimea risks disrupting the largest Ukrainian-Chinese warship building contract worth around $350 million, a source in the Ukrainian defense sector told Interfax.

[link to en.interfax.com.ua]
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State Department say they do not give data on the withdrawal of Russian troops from the border with Ukraine
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Moscow. April 4. INTERFAX.RU - U.S. authorities still can not confirm the data on withdrawal of the Russian troops from the border with Ukraine, said Friday State Department spokesman Marie Harf.

"As far as I know, nothing has changed," - she said at a briefing, referring to the situation on the Russian-Ukrainian border.

According to her, in the border area are tens of thousands of Russian soldiers. "No new data have no" - added Harf.

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This one's for you Sundance - not that it is conclusive evidence of the size of build up as has been alleged by the West, but their certainly is an increase in prescence


gandalf greybeard&#8207;@gerrydogma·43 mins
Commercial sat imagery showing part of the buildup of Russian forces close to Ukraine border around Belgorod [link to www.janes.com] …
 Quoting: Newshunter

Hmm, I magnified it as much as I could, can't see any troops. Do you?

Moreover, the article accompanying the images ( [link to www.janes.com] ) claims this is a training facility.

So I don't think it adds anything to prove Russia is massing forces (for 3 weeks now, is it?) for invasion ....

But recently - while the buffoon Rasmussen was throwing tantrums about Russian troops - NBC took a trip to the border, and didn't figure out what in the heck he is shouting about. I think this article is dated March 30: [link to www.nbcnews.com]

"According to dire warnings from U.S. military and intelligence officials, Russian President Vladimir Putin ... has concentrated tens of thousands of his forces on the border with Ukraine. Camouflaged and concealed to throw off U.S. spy satellites, the warnings say, the heavily armed combat troops and special operations forces are coiled and ready to spring across the border into restive regions of Eastern and Southern Ukraine such as Kharkov and Donetsk, where pro-Russian populations are eager to be annexed by Russia, just like Crimea.

...
"We traveled some 500 miles along the border – sometimes right next to Ukraine, at other times 30 to 40 miles from it – before we came across any sign of military activity. As we passed Belgorod’s army base, near the airport, I recognized the same MI-24 choppers I’d seen on the Internet. We got lucky – a pair took off as we drove past. We turned back to see them banking within the base’s perimeter. Nearby, clusters of military vehicles, mostly heavy trucks, were out in the open, but where were the tanks and artillery?"

Actually entire article is worth reading.

So the three news organizations with "boots on the ground" - NBC, NY Times, and The Independent (UK) - have all said they can't find squat.
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Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Ukraine asks Russia to provide information for the investigation of the causes of deaths

International Panorama April 4, 9:22 p.m. UTC +4

KIEV, April 4. / ITAR-TASS /. Ukraine's Foreign Ministry sent a note to Russia to provide information "as part of pre-trial investigation in criminal proceedings, which is conducted in order to establish a true picture of the events that occurred in Ukraine in January-February 2014 and resulted in the death and injury to people." This is stated in a statement posted on the website of the Ukrainian Foreign Ministry.
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In particular, according to the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Ukraine, "are requested to provide information on a contractual basis and customers with the Ukrainian side cargo deliveries to Ukraine lethal weapons for use in the protection of public order total weight of 2394 kg and 2774 kg, arrived from the Russian Federation to Ukraine flights" Chkalov - Kiev "January 21 and 24 January 2014 respectively."

In addition, the Ukrainian Foreign Ministry appealed to the Russian side to clarify the circumstances of stay in Ukraine from 20 to 21 February 2014, Colonel-General S.O.Besedy FSB.

[link to www.interfax.ru]
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Former Interior Minister denies involvement "Berkut" Kill on Independence
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Moscow. April 4. INTERFAX.RU - Former Minister of Internal Affairs of Ukraine Vitaliy Zakharchenko denied involvement in special police "Berkut" to shoot at people on Maidan during the February events in Kiev.

In an interview to Channel One Zaharchenko confirmed that shooting and maydanovtsam and conducted by police out of the building, which was under the control of "the commandant of the Maidan," the current Secretary of the National Security and Defense Andrei Parubiya.

"The fact that it was not the police, I'm 100% sure. At all events" Berkut "out without combat service weapon. February 18 and 19 were wounded 86 police officers gunshot wounds, 14 of them were killed. They were employees of internal troops, the military, they were members of Special Forces "Berkut, it was the traffic policemen who were shot in the post," - said Zakharchenko.

He noted that the morning of the 20th of February in Kiev was opened sighting shooting at law enforcement officers who stood on Instytutska and in the House of Trade Unions.

[link to www.interfax.ru]
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The next 24 hours will be interesting
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This one's for you Sundance - not that it is conclusive evidence of the size of build up as has been alleged by the West, but their certainly is an increase in prescence


gandalf greybeard&#8207;@gerrydogma·43 mins
Commercial sat imagery showing part of the buildup of Russian forces close to Ukraine border around Belgorod [link to www.janes.com] …
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WTF at the resolution!
And this is Russian troops according to what evidence?
Place?

150000 of troops hiding, training, and this is the evidence?

rofl5
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So are you going to economically coerce me or what?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 56408965

Why so hurry?

How about :apple: ?

Just to see what comes out of it?
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Why waste time? C'mon, coerce me, please!!!!
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DefenceToday.com &#8207;@DefenceToday · 14m
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How can NATO push back against Russia? By letting Eastern European countries like Macedonia into the alliance
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WTF at the resolution!
And this is Russian troops according to what evidence?
Place?

150000 of troops hiding, training, and this is the evidence?

rofl5
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So are you going to economically coerce me or what?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 56408965

Why so hurry?

How about :apple: ?

Just to see what comes out of it?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 56431472

Why waste time? C'mon, coerce me, please!!!!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 56408965


Oh what a heck! You are right. Time is too precious!
Lets go and have some PANIC















coercing!
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Belgium riot police have clashed with union workers protesting against austerity measures near the US Embassy in Brussels, using water cannons to disperse the demonstrators.

And... Ukraine is looking to join EU??

crazy
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My God, why aren't Nuland, McCain and Ashton there threatening Rupo, his "inner circle" and Belgium with sanctions for "obstructing the democratic process"? I mean, these protesters did not even build barricades blocking all traffic through Brussels, or throw molotov cocktails or heavy bricks at police! (Looks like they were throwing a few stones at the water cannon truck though, OMG!!!!)

[link to www.youtube.com]
[link to www.youtube.com]
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Same "democratic" Ukraine technique was used in Rome October 15 2011 to push out Berlusconi's elected democratic government (November 12 2011).

Some videos:
[link to www.youtube.com]
[link to www.youtube.com]

Here why:

Silvio Berlusconi 'Threatened' To Leave Euro In 2011, Then Later 'Politically Assassinated'.


Silvio Berlusconi considered pulling Italy out of the euro in late 2011 before European financial officials brought about his removal from office, an ex-European Central Bank official has claimed.

Lorenzo Bini-Smaghi, who served on the ECB's executive council, claimed in his book Morire di Austerita (Dying of Austerity) that Berlusconi was ousted as Italian leader in November 2011 once he started discussing withdrawing Italy from the euro with European officials.

Smaghi claims that Berlusconi discussed Italy's withdrawal in private meetings with other member states who were part of the Euro.

"In that moment Barroso revealed what the strategy was: a flurry of declarations against the then prime minister. From all fronts, from every European policy maker. The message to be sent was one and one only: Berlusconi is inadequate." Goria writes.

In response to the news, UKIP leader Nigel Farage told the Huffington Post UK: "Back in February 2010 I predicted that the EU would be the 'the quiet assassin of European democracy', in November the next year, we now have confirmed the second political assassination of a democratically elected European leader, that of Italian prime minister Silvio Berlusconi, immediately after the Greek prime minister was also sidelined. Their crime? George Papendreou threatened a referendum on Euro membership, and Berlusconi threatened to pull Italy out of the single currency. ... ...

[link to www.huffingtonpost.co.uk]

Berlusconi had strong political relationship with Putin and Gedafy (Russia-Libya big energy countries) but somebody in the White House didn't like it (Hillary Clinton) see Wikileak US Embassy Cables.

Thanks to Mr. Berlusconi that Russia becomes part of G8 (Genova 2001) and NATO-Russia strategic alliance (Pratica di Mare 2002).

He understood that Russia becoming a strategic economic partner for Europe was an important partner.

To conclude... from the last three years, Italy had three NOT ELECTED GOVERNMENTS by the People. ... Is this the EUROPEAN DEMOCRACY Dreams???

Good luck Ukraine!! crazy
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MIA: The first Ukrainian fighters "Berkut" came to seek employment in Moscow OMON

Society April 4, twenty-three past ten p.m. UTC +4

MOSCOW, April 4. / ITAR-TASS /. To serve in the Moscow OMON came up employment first fighters of the former Ukrainian Special Forces "Berkut". They have already started to make Russian citizenship and all necessary documents for entry into service in the internal affairs of Russia.

In turn, came to Moscow for the device to join the Moscow OMON officer "Berkut" named Roman told reporters that "the events in Kiev Ukrainian TV channels presented a one-sided, exposing the unit" Berkut "enemies of the people."

"Militants" right sector "radically customized exclusively against the police. Eastern, Southern Ukraine consider employees" Berkut "heroes West - calling them traitors. On the Internet there are calls to kill a family of police officers, even with children," - said Roman.

In this regard, he said, many of the Ukrainian special police who tried to resist the radicals on the Maidan, fear for the lives of their loved ones.

[link to itar-tass.com]

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