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UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387

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#UK's William #Hague: we haven't seen real de-escalation by #Russia, Europe must not relax in preparing a third tier of sanctions. reeuuters
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What he really wants to say is "Russia is not giving back Crimea, they are still saying we violated International Law and that the current Kiev Government is not legal therefore we won't talk to them"

So lets stop with the poking and cornering, now we'll just start slapping the crap out of Putin and pull a gun on him so he finally does what we want. Either budge or set off the War.


Now that's just rhetorically, but that's what it seems like they're gonna do. Watch Putin smack the gun out of their hands and give them a swift kick in the nuts that will make them regret what they did. They won't get shit back and they won't get WWIII. Man these people are so dumb for trying to screw with Russia.
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Unfortunately EU and US is full of misguided sheeple who would go to war on behalf of such complete mass-murdering shit-stirring lieing cowards as Rasmussen, Hague, Nuland, etc.
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@euromaidanpr: Big part of Ukrainian mil equipment withdrawn from #Crimea was damaged by #Russian occupant troops, some items seized. ukrpravda |PR News
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Pity Ukraine didn't have bombs set on the ships Russia stole.
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So you traded a few ships for a "partnership" with NATO. Do you think NATO would pay for gas to power your ships or would you have to row them?
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Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Ukraine asks Russia to provide information for the investigation of the causes of deaths

International Panorama April 4, 9:22 p.m. UTC +4

KIEV, April 4. / ITAR-TASS /. Ukraine's Foreign Ministry sent a note to Russia to provide information "as part of pre-trial investigation in criminal proceedings, which is conducted in order to establish a true picture of the events that occurred in Ukraine in January-February 2014 and resulted in the death and injury to people." This is stated in a statement posted on the website of the Ukrainian Foreign Ministry.
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This one's for you Sundance - not that it is conclusive evidence of the size of build up as has been alleged by the West, but their certainly is an increase in prescence


gandalf greybeard‏@gerrydogma·43 mins
Commercial sat imagery showing part of the buildup of Russian forces close to Ukraine border around Belgorod [link to www.janes.com] …
 Quoting: Newshunter


Thanks for that - do you have anything new on the OSCE flyovers that were happening the last few days?
In regards to that image-my comment:

Oh that's smart, show us a night shot from November then compare that to daylight of March. Look carefully, they don't even use the same resolution, November is night and zoomed out so you can't tell what's there compared to March, lol. I don't see much of a difference except a couple of vehicles extra. This is a military base on their soil and Russia can do what they want on it. That still doesn't show the claimed 50,000 or 100,000 troops ready for an invasion into Ukraine. Are they still hiding in "Sherwood Forest" or what?
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This one's for you Sundance - not that it is conclusive evidence of the size of build up as has been alleged by the West, but their certainly is an increase in prescence


gandalf greybeard‏@gerrydogma·43 mins
Commercial sat imagery showing part of the buildup of Russian forces close to Ukraine border around Belgorod [link to www.janes.com] …
 Quoting: Newshunter


WTF at the resolution!
And this is Russian troops according to what evidence?
Place?

150000 of troops hiding, training, and this is the evidence?

rofl5
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It's "Janes" for crying out loud. As far as defense related sourcing - it's about as good as it gets.
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@euromaidanpr: Big part of Ukrainian mil equipment withdrawn from #Crimea was damaged by #Russian occupant troops, some items seized. ukrpravda |PR News
 Quoting: Newshunter


Pity Ukraine didn't have bombs set on the ships Russia stole.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 54622593


So you traded a few ships for a "partnership" with NATO. Do you think NATO would pay for gas to power your ships or would you have to row them?
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NATO will let them row...not just on their ships.
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USAID tried to arrange the "orange revolution" in Cuba, says expert

WASHINGTON, April 4 - RIA Novosti, Alexei Bogdanovsky. U.S. Agency for International Development (USAID) has tried to make a "orange revolution" in Cuba, but this idea is not supported in all of the U.S. administration, told RIA Novosti on Friday director of the Washington-based Center for Strategic Technologies Strategic and International Studies (CSIS), cybersecurity expert James Lewis.
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This one's for you Sundance - not that it is conclusive evidence of the size of build up as has been alleged by the West, but their certainly is an increase in prescence


gandalf greybeard‏@gerrydogma·43 mins
Commercial sat imagery showing part of the buildup of Russian forces close to Ukraine border around Belgorod [link to www.janes.com] …
 Quoting: Newshunter


WTF at the resolution!
And this is Russian troops according to what evidence?
Place?

150000 of troops hiding, training, and this is the evidence?

rofl5
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So are you going to economically coerce me or what?
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This one's for you Sundance - not that it is conclusive evidence of the size of build up as has been alleged by the West, but their certainly is an increase in prescence


gandalf greybeard‏@gerrydogma·43 mins
Commercial sat imagery showing part of the buildup of Russian forces close to Ukraine border around Belgorod [link to www.janes.com] …
 Quoting: Newshunter


WTF at the resolution!
And this is Russian troops according to what evidence?
Place?

150000 of troops hiding, training, and this is the evidence?

rofl5
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 56431472


It's "Janes" for crying out loud. As far as defense related sourcing - it's about as good as it gets.
 Quoting: Newshunter


Well sadly it's good enough for US,NATO!

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Hans de Vreij ‏@hdevreij · 21 min
Capital exodus from #Russia: the money mainly goes to #Cyprus, #Netherlands, and #Virgin Islands, Dutch newspaper NRC reports
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Russia Dismisses Alleged Recording of Remarks on Ukrainian Crisis as 'Phony Concoction'

20:01 04/04/2014

MOSCOW, April 4 (RIA Novosti) – The Russian Foreign Ministry dismissed on Friday an alleged recording of a conversation between two Russian diplomats as a “phony compilation of sounds, subtitles and pictures” that does not deserve a commentary.

Some media sources earlier reported that a recording of an alleged conversation between two Russian ambassadors in Africa with remarks on the UN voting on Crimea resolution had been circulated on the Internet.
The ministry said that some of the pictures used in the clip were of former Soviet ambassador to US Yuri Dubinin, who died in 2013.

“It is a hastily and cynically concocted story, made in a botched up attempt to divert attention from scandals around remarks by Western diplomats on Ukraine that have recently been revealed to the public,” the ministry concluded.
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This is interesting. Notice that the Russian response serves as an effective reminder to the earlier damaging releases of real conversations. It makes me think that the whole thing was a ridiculous Russian concoction designed for that very purpose. It might not be a western plant at all for all of the reasons previously discussed on this thread.
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This one's for you Sundance - not that it is conclusive evidence of the size of build up as has been alleged by the West, but their certainly is an increase in prescence


gandalf greybeard‏@gerrydogma·43 mins
Commercial sat imagery showing part of the buildup of Russian forces close to Ukraine border around Belgorod [link to www.janes.com] …
 Quoting: Newshunter


WTF at the resolution!
And this is Russian troops according to what evidence?
Place?

150000 of troops hiding, training, and this is the evidence?

rofl5
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 56431472


So are you going to economically coerce me or what?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 56408965

Why so hurry?

How about :apple: ?

Just to see what comes out of it?
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@euromaidanpr: Big part of Ukrainian mil equipment withdrawn from #Crimea was damaged by #Russian occupant troops, some items seized. ukrpravda |PR News
 Quoting: Newshunter


Pity Ukraine didn't have bombs set on the ships Russia stole.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 54622593


So you traded a few ships for a "partnership" with NATO. Do you think NATO would pay for gas to power your ships or would you have to row them?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 50769403


NATO will let them row...not just on their ships.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 56432769


Well hey, you get what you ask for. Sometimes you get more than you asked for. I wonder how long it will be before the Ukrainian people start to realize that and begin looking for a back door.
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Russia Dismisses Alleged Recording of Remarks on Ukrainian Crisis as 'Phony Concoction'

20:01 04/04/2014

MOSCOW, April 4 (RIA Novosti) – The Russian Foreign Ministry dismissed on Friday an alleged recording of a conversation between two Russian diplomats as a “phony compilation of sounds, subtitles and pictures” that does not deserve a commentary.

Some media sources earlier reported that a recording of an alleged conversation between two Russian ambassadors in Africa with remarks on the UN voting on Crimea resolution had been circulated on the Internet.
The ministry said that some of the pictures used in the clip were of former Soviet ambassador to US Yuri Dubinin, who died in 2013.

“It is a hastily and cynically concocted story, made in a botched up attempt to divert attention from scandals around remarks by Western diplomats on Ukraine that have recently been revealed to the public,” the ministry concluded.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 56405552


This is interesting. Notice that the Russian response serves as an effective reminder to the earlier damaging releases of real conversations. It makes me think that the whole thing was a ridiculous Russian concoction designed for that very purpose. It might not be a western plant at all for all of the reasons previously discussed on this thread.
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You're right its not a western plant, at this point my bet is on Mossad
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The next 24 hours will be interesting
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The next 24 hours will be interesting
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Uncle intel?
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The next 24 hours will be interesting
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???
"So much, for the glory of Rome...“
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The next 24 hours will be interesting
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Uncle intel?
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no
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With markets closing and all.
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The next 24 hours will be interesting
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Why? Anything new?
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The next 24 hours will be interesting
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Uncle intel?
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beat me to it...the weeks have been interesting and until NATO stops (which they won't because this was planned at least 20 years now), this will continue to be interesting.
I don't need any uncle intel to know that.

Please guys read "NATO 1992 Force posture" document!!!
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Still waiting for Russia's response to Obama signing off on sanctions yesterday...
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Still waiting for Russia's response to Obama signing off on sanctions yesterday...
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Russia’s deputy PM on U.S. sanctions: ‘Send me your teeth ground in impotent rage’
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Still waiting for Russia's response to Obama signing off on sanctions yesterday...
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I dont thjnk we will get one. Russia is taking a more dynamic approach with their retaliatory sanctions. They make them up as and when they see fit. They have said all they need to say on the matter.
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Still waiting for Russia's response to Obama signing off on sanctions yesterday...
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I want to hear the response to the aid, which is apparently illegal under US law.
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Situation around Crimea could affect Ukraine-China defense cooperation – source

The current situation around Crimea risks disrupting the largest Ukrainian-Chinese warship building contract worth around $350 million, a source in the Ukrainian defense sector told Interfax.

[link to en.interfax.com.ua]
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State Department say they do not give data on the withdrawal of Russian troops from the border with Ukraine
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Moscow. April 4. INTERFAX.RU - U.S. authorities still can not confirm the data on withdrawal of the Russian troops from the border with Ukraine, said Friday State Department spokesman Marie Harf.

"As far as I know, nothing has changed," - she said at a briefing, referring to the situation on the Russian-Ukrainian border.

According to her, in the border area are tens of thousands of Russian soldiers. "No new data have no" - added Harf.

[link to www.interfax.ru]
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This one's for you Sundance - not that it is conclusive evidence of the size of build up as has been alleged by the West, but their certainly is an increase in prescence


gandalf greybeard&#8207;@gerrydogma·43 mins
Commercial sat imagery showing part of the buildup of Russian forces close to Ukraine border around Belgorod [link to www.janes.com] …
 Quoting: Newshunter

Hmm, I magnified it as much as I could, can't see any troops. Do you?

Moreover, the article accompanying the images ( [link to www.janes.com] ) claims this is a training facility.

So I don't think it adds anything to prove Russia is massing forces (for 3 weeks now, is it?) for invasion ....

But recently - while the buffoon Rasmussen was throwing tantrums about Russian troops - NBC took a trip to the border, and didn't figure out what in the heck he is shouting about. I think this article is dated March 30: [link to www.nbcnews.com]

"According to dire warnings from U.S. military and intelligence officials, Russian President Vladimir Putin ... has concentrated tens of thousands of his forces on the border with Ukraine. Camouflaged and concealed to throw off U.S. spy satellites, the warnings say, the heavily armed combat troops and special operations forces are coiled and ready to spring across the border into restive regions of Eastern and Southern Ukraine such as Kharkov and Donetsk, where pro-Russian populations are eager to be annexed by Russia, just like Crimea.

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"We traveled some 500 miles along the border – sometimes right next to Ukraine, at other times 30 to 40 miles from it – before we came across any sign of military activity. As we passed Belgorod’s army base, near the airport, I recognized the same MI-24 choppers I’d seen on the Internet. We got lucky – a pair took off as we drove past. We turned back to see them banking within the base’s perimeter. Nearby, clusters of military vehicles, mostly heavy trucks, were out in the open, but where were the tanks and artillery?"

Actually entire article is worth reading.

So the three news organizations with "boots on the ground" - NBC, NY Times, and The Independent (UK) - have all said they can't find squat.
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Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Ukraine asks Russia to provide information for the investigation of the causes of deaths

International Panorama April 4, 9:22 p.m. UTC +4

KIEV, April 4. / ITAR-TASS /. Ukraine's Foreign Ministry sent a note to Russia to provide information "as part of pre-trial investigation in criminal proceedings, which is conducted in order to establish a true picture of the events that occurred in Ukraine in January-February 2014 and resulted in the death and injury to people." This is stated in a statement posted on the website of the Ukrainian Foreign Ministry.
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In particular, according to the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Ukraine, "are requested to provide information on a contractual basis and customers with the Ukrainian side cargo deliveries to Ukraine lethal weapons for use in the protection of public order total weight of 2394 kg and 2774 kg, arrived from the Russian Federation to Ukraine flights" Chkalov - Kiev "January 21 and 24 January 2014 respectively."

In addition, the Ukrainian Foreign Ministry appealed to the Russian side to clarify the circumstances of stay in Ukraine from 20 to 21 February 2014, Colonel-General S.O.Besedy FSB.

[link to www.interfax.ru]
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Former Interior Minister denies involvement "Berkut" Kill on Independence
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Moscow. April 4. INTERFAX.RU - Former Minister of Internal Affairs of Ukraine Vitaliy Zakharchenko denied involvement in special police "Berkut" to shoot at people on Maidan during the February events in Kiev.

In an interview to Channel One Zaharchenko confirmed that shooting and maydanovtsam and conducted by police out of the building, which was under the control of "the commandant of the Maidan," the current Secretary of the National Security and Defense Andrei Parubiya.

"The fact that it was not the police, I'm 100% sure. At all events" Berkut "out without combat service weapon. February 18 and 19 were wounded 86 police officers gunshot wounds, 14 of them were killed. They were employees of internal troops, the military, they were members of Special Forces "Berkut, it was the traffic policemen who were shot in the post," - said Zakharchenko.

He noted that the morning of the 20th of February in Kiev was opened sighting shooting at law enforcement officers who stood on Instytutska and in the House of Trade Unions.

[link to www.interfax.ru]

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