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UKRAINE: BREAKING: Lugansk TPP blown up by Aidar Battalion, as promised, and 98% of the Lugansk region will now go dark!!!p6082

 
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Still waiting for Russia's response to Obama signing off on sanctions yesterday...
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I want to hear the response to the aid, which is apparently illegal under US law.
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Situation around Crimea could affect Ukraine-China defense cooperation – source

The current situation around Crimea risks disrupting the largest Ukrainian-Chinese warship building contract worth around $350 million, a source in the Ukrainian defense sector told Interfax.

[link to en.interfax.com.ua]
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State Department say they do not give data on the withdrawal of Russian troops from the border with Ukraine
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Moscow. April 4. INTERFAX.RU - U.S. authorities still can not confirm the data on withdrawal of the Russian troops from the border with Ukraine, said Friday State Department spokesman Marie Harf.

"As far as I know, nothing has changed," - she said at a briefing, referring to the situation on the Russian-Ukrainian border.

According to her, in the border area are tens of thousands of Russian soldiers. "No new data have no" - added Harf.

[link to www.interfax.ru]
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This one's for you Sundance - not that it is conclusive evidence of the size of build up as has been alleged by the West, but their certainly is an increase in prescence


gandalf greybeard&#8207;@gerrydogma·43 mins
Commercial sat imagery showing part of the buildup of Russian forces close to Ukraine border around Belgorod [link to www.janes.com] …
 Quoting: Newshunter

Hmm, I magnified it as much as I could, can't see any troops. Do you?

Moreover, the article accompanying the images ( [link to www.janes.com] ) claims this is a training facility.

So I don't think it adds anything to prove Russia is massing forces (for 3 weeks now, is it?) for invasion ....

But recently - while the buffoon Rasmussen was throwing tantrums about Russian troops - NBC took a trip to the border, and didn't figure out what in the heck he is shouting about. I think this article is dated March 30: [link to www.nbcnews.com]

"According to dire warnings from U.S. military and intelligence officials, Russian President Vladimir Putin ... has concentrated tens of thousands of his forces on the border with Ukraine. Camouflaged and concealed to throw off U.S. spy satellites, the warnings say, the heavily armed combat troops and special operations forces are coiled and ready to spring across the border into restive regions of Eastern and Southern Ukraine such as Kharkov and Donetsk, where pro-Russian populations are eager to be annexed by Russia, just like Crimea.

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"We traveled some 500 miles along the border – sometimes right next to Ukraine, at other times 30 to 40 miles from it – before we came across any sign of military activity. As we passed Belgorod’s army base, near the airport, I recognized the same MI-24 choppers I’d seen on the Internet. We got lucky – a pair took off as we drove past. We turned back to see them banking within the base’s perimeter. Nearby, clusters of military vehicles, mostly heavy trucks, were out in the open, but where were the tanks and artillery?"

Actually entire article is worth reading.

So the three news organizations with "boots on the ground" - NBC, NY Times, and The Independent (UK) - have all said they can't find squat.
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Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Ukraine asks Russia to provide information for the investigation of the causes of deaths

International Panorama April 4, 9:22 p.m. UTC +4

KIEV, April 4. / ITAR-TASS /. Ukraine's Foreign Ministry sent a note to Russia to provide information "as part of pre-trial investigation in criminal proceedings, which is conducted in order to establish a true picture of the events that occurred in Ukraine in January-February 2014 and resulted in the death and injury to people." This is stated in a statement posted on the website of the Ukrainian Foreign Ministry.
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In particular, according to the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Ukraine, "are requested to provide information on a contractual basis and customers with the Ukrainian side cargo deliveries to Ukraine lethal weapons for use in the protection of public order total weight of 2394 kg and 2774 kg, arrived from the Russian Federation to Ukraine flights" Chkalov - Kiev "January 21 and 24 January 2014 respectively."

In addition, the Ukrainian Foreign Ministry appealed to the Russian side to clarify the circumstances of stay in Ukraine from 20 to 21 February 2014, Colonel-General S.O.Besedy FSB.

[link to www.interfax.ru]
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Former Interior Minister denies involvement "Berkut" Kill on Independence
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April 4, 2014 21:44


Moscow. April 4. INTERFAX.RU - Former Minister of Internal Affairs of Ukraine Vitaliy Zakharchenko denied involvement in special police "Berkut" to shoot at people on Maidan during the February events in Kiev.

In an interview to Channel One Zaharchenko confirmed that shooting and maydanovtsam and conducted by police out of the building, which was under the control of "the commandant of the Maidan," the current Secretary of the National Security and Defense Andrei Parubiya.

"The fact that it was not the police, I'm 100% sure. At all events" Berkut "out without combat service weapon. February 18 and 19 were wounded 86 police officers gunshot wounds, 14 of them were killed. They were employees of internal troops, the military, they were members of Special Forces "Berkut, it was the traffic policemen who were shot in the post," - said Zakharchenko.

He noted that the morning of the 20th of February in Kiev was opened sighting shooting at law enforcement officers who stood on Instytutska and in the House of Trade Unions.

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The next 24 hours will be interesting
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ok boss
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This one's for you Sundance - not that it is conclusive evidence of the size of build up as has been alleged by the West, but their certainly is an increase in prescence


gandalf greybeard&#8207;@gerrydogma·43 mins
Commercial sat imagery showing part of the buildup of Russian forces close to Ukraine border around Belgorod [link to www.janes.com] …
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WTF at the resolution!
And this is Russian troops according to what evidence?
Place?

150000 of troops hiding, training, and this is the evidence?

rofl5
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So are you going to economically coerce me or what?
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Why so hurry?

How about apple ?

Just to see what comes out of it?
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Why waste time? C'mon, coerce me, please!!!!
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DefenceToday.com &#8207;@DefenceToday · 14m
Finland May Turn to Russia for Tactical Missile System |

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How can NATO push back against Russia? By letting Eastern European countries like Macedonia into the alliance
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WTF at the resolution!
And this is Russian troops according to what evidence?
Place?

150000 of troops hiding, training, and this is the evidence?

rofl5
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So are you going to economically coerce me or what?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 56408965

Why so hurry?

How about apple ?

Just to see what comes out of it?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 56431472

Why waste time? C'mon, coerce me, please!!!!
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Oh what a heck! You are right. Time is too precious!
Lets go and have some PANIC















coercing!
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Belgium riot police have clashed with union workers protesting against austerity measures near the US Embassy in Brussels, using water cannons to disperse the demonstrators.

And... Ukraine is looking to join EU??

crazy
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My God, why aren't Nuland, McCain and Ashton there threatening Rupo, his "inner circle" and Belgium with sanctions for "obstructing the democratic process"? I mean, these protesters did not even build barricades blocking all traffic through Brussels, or throw molotov cocktails or heavy bricks at police! (Looks like they were throwing a few stones at the water cannon truck though, OMG!!!!)

[link to www.youtube.com]
[link to www.youtube.com]
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Same "democratic" Ukraine technique was used in Rome October 15 2011 to push out Berlusconi's elected democratic government (November 12 2011).

Some videos:
[link to www.youtube.com]
[link to www.youtube.com]

Here why:

Silvio Berlusconi 'Threatened' To Leave Euro In 2011, Then Later 'Politically Assassinated'.


Silvio Berlusconi considered pulling Italy out of the euro in late 2011 before European financial officials brought about his removal from office, an ex-European Central Bank official has claimed.

Lorenzo Bini-Smaghi, who served on the ECB's executive council, claimed in his book Morire di Austerita (Dying of Austerity) that Berlusconi was ousted as Italian leader in November 2011 once he started discussing withdrawing Italy from the euro with European officials.

Smaghi claims that Berlusconi discussed Italy's withdrawal in private meetings with other member states who were part of the Euro.

"In that moment Barroso revealed what the strategy was: a flurry of declarations against the then prime minister. From all fronts, from every European policy maker. The message to be sent was one and one only: Berlusconi is inadequate." Goria writes.

In response to the news, UKIP leader Nigel Farage told the Huffington Post UK: "Back in February 2010 I predicted that the EU would be the 'the quiet assassin of European democracy', in November the next year, we now have confirmed the second political assassination of a democratically elected European leader, that of Italian prime minister Silvio Berlusconi, immediately after the Greek prime minister was also sidelined. Their crime? George Papendreou threatened a referendum on Euro membership, and Berlusconi threatened to pull Italy out of the single currency. ... ...

[link to www.huffingtonpost.co.uk]

Berlusconi had strong political relationship with Putin and Gedafy (Russia-Libya big energy countries) but somebody in the White House didn't like it (Hillary Clinton) see Wikileak US Embassy Cables.

Thanks to Mr. Berlusconi that Russia becomes part of G8 (Genova 2001) and NATO-Russia strategic alliance (Pratica di Mare 2002).

He understood that Russia becoming a strategic economic partner for Europe was an important partner.

To conclude... from the last three years, Italy had three NOT ELECTED GOVERNMENTS by the People. ... Is this the EUROPEAN DEMOCRACY Dreams???

Good luck Ukraine!! crazy
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MIA: The first Ukrainian fighters "Berkut" came to seek employment in Moscow OMON

Society April 4, twenty-three past ten p.m. UTC +4

MOSCOW, April 4. / ITAR-TASS /. To serve in the Moscow OMON came up employment first fighters of the former Ukrainian Special Forces "Berkut". They have already started to make Russian citizenship and all necessary documents for entry into service in the internal affairs of Russia.

In turn, came to Moscow for the device to join the Moscow OMON officer "Berkut" named Roman told reporters that "the events in Kiev Ukrainian TV channels presented a one-sided, exposing the unit" Berkut "enemies of the people."

"Militants" right sector "radically customized exclusively against the police. Eastern, Southern Ukraine consider employees" Berkut "heroes West - calling them traitors. On the Internet there are calls to kill a family of police officers, even with children," - said Roman.

In this regard, he said, many of the Ukrainian special police who tried to resist the radicals on the Maidan, fear for the lives of their loved ones.

[link to itar-tass.com]
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How can NATO push back against Russia? By letting Eastern European countries like Macedonia into the alliance
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Just talk, not a single real affirmation! No NATO or EU for Macedonia in near future. Greece will not allow that!

So be it!
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This one's for you Sundance - not that it is conclusive evidence of the size of build up as has been alleged by the West, but their certainly is an increase in prescence


gandalf greybeard&#8207;@gerrydogma·43 mins
Commercial sat imagery showing part of the buildup of Russian forces close to Ukraine border around Belgorod [link to www.janes.com] …
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I noticed you heaped praise on Jane's in another post on this topic, so I will point out the following about the pictures (in general, I do think Jane's is propaganda - i.e., an intelligence asset):

If you take the picture at the top-right, with the "31 March" caption, it is wider than the first two pictures. The left-most part of it, labeled "Additional military buildup", is not visible in the first 2 pictures. Hence it is not possible to make a comparison, which defeats the purpose of having this "timeline", no?

Also in that series of pictures, the left two images are dark and the right-most one light. This also makes any meaningful comparison impossible.

I think that these two aspects are actually intentional deception, because I don't think anyone serious about satellite reconnaissance would rely on pictures as were published.

The one picture they have of some more detail - [link to www.janes.com] (why isn't the top picture in this level of detail and in the same brightness???) - shows one small airplane and a few helicopters (at a military base, mind you). Invasion force? Really?

Seems like a pure propaganda piece to me - I would ask why publish such transparent propaganda but I guess some people will believe it.

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This one's for you Sundance - not that it is conclusive evidence of the size of build up as has been alleged by the West, but their certainly is an increase in prescence


gandalf greybeard&#8207;@gerrydogma·43 mins
Commercial sat imagery showing part of the buildup of Russian forces close to Ukraine border around Belgorod [link to www.janes.com] …
 Quoting: Newshunter

I noticed you heaped praise on Jane's in another post on this topic, so I will point out the following about the pictures (in general, I do think Jane's is propaganda - i.e., an intelligence asset):

If you take the picture at the top-right, with the "31 March" caption, it is wider than the first two pictures. The left-most part of it, labeled "Additional military buildup", is not visible in the first 2 pictures. Hence it is not possible to make a comparison, which defeats the purpose of having this "timeline", no?

Also in that series of pictures, the left two images are dark and the right-most one light. This also makes any meaningful comparison impossible.

I think that these two aspects are actually intentional deception, because I don't think anyone serious about satellite reconnaissance would rely on pictures as were published.

The one picture they have of some more detail - [link to www.janes.com] (why isn't the top picture in this level of detail and in the same brightness???) - shows one small airplane and a few helicopters (at a military base, mind you). Invasion force? Really?

Seems like a pure propaganda piece to me - I would ask why publish such transparent propaganda but I guess some people will believe it.
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Pushkov: Kiev authorities cannot tell the truth about "the sniper"

Moscow, 4 Apr — RIA Novosti. The head of the State Duma Committee on International Affairs Alexei Pushkov said that the attack on Maidan in Kyiv can be fabricated, or forget about it, because the new Government of Ukraine will not be able to tell how everything happened really.

"The case of the attack on Maidan would either jammed or falsified: the Kiev authorities cannot afford to tell the truth about this," wrote Pushkov on Friday in his Office at Twitter.

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US Threatens Russia With Sanctions Over Petrodollar-Busting Deal [link to www.zerohedge.com]



Gregor Peter &#8207;@L0gg0l · 19 min
Satellite pictures show Russian military buildup at Belgorod near Ukraine border [link to www.janes.com] … #Ukraine [link to twitter.com (secure)]


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US Threatens Russia With Sanctions Over Petrodollar-Busting Deal [link to www.zerohedge.com]





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Putin has imposed sanctions on the Nasdaq

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zerohedge &#8207;@zerohedge · 12 min
US Threatens Russia With Sanctions Over Petrodollar-Busting Deal [link to www.zerohedge.com]


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VoiceOfRussia: Russia prepares to attack the petrodollar

"The existence of “petrodollars” is one of the pillars of America's economic might because it creates a significant external demand for American currency, allowing the US to accumulate enormous debts without defaulting. If a Japanese buyer want to buy a barrel of Saudi oil, he has to pay in dollars even if no American oil company ever touches the said barrel. Dollar has held a dominant position in global trading for such a long time that even Gazprom's natural gas contracts for Europe are priced and paid for in US dollars. Until recently, a significant part of EU-China trade had been priced in dollars.

"Lately, China has led the BRICS efforts to dislodge the dollar from its position as the main global currency, but the “sanctions war” between Washington and Moscow gave an impetus to the long-awaited scheme to launch the petroruble and switch all Russian energy exports away from the US currency ."

[link to voiceofrussia.com]

Indeed, the neo-cons are completing the destruction of America (frankly, I cannot blame Russia or China, they are more or less forced to abandon the dollar - by neo-con policies).

The result will be massive austerity in USA.

Americans will finally wake up. But if they start to protest, they will get kicked in the teeth really hard. I don't expect any Euromaidans in Amerirahrahrah ....

Reminds me of the Churkin interview on CNN on Feb. 20. He asks rhetorically, "What would be the life expectancy of protesters throwing molotov cocktails on police (and setting them on fire) in the US"?

Indeed, what would it be? [link to www.youtube.com]
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W/ concerns re activities in #Moldova’s #Transnistria region, #OSCE mission must have unrestricted access: [link to 1.usa.gov]


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Putin has imposed sanctions on the Nasdaq

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wtf
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United States need to be forcefully kicked out of Europe and see their illegal occupation of Germany end.
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... and in Italy too.

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As a matter of fact, why doesn't the US just go home already. They are everywhere and constantly occupying some country or having their troops stationed there, citing threats for their national security of a country on the other end of the world. What the heck, isn't it time they leave.

GO HOME USA!

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The majority of Americans are great people. Why be so rude?
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I am just putting some more fire on gasoline :-) ...

North Korea tells world to 'wait and see' on new form of nuclear test

North Korea said on Friday that the world would have to "wait and see" when asked for details of "a new form" of nuclear test it threatened to carry out after the UN Security Council condemned Pyongyang's recent ballistic missile launch, Reuters reports.

[link to voiceofrussia.com]


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I am just putting some more fire on gasoline :-) ...

North Korea tells world to 'wait and see' on new form of nuclear test

North Korea said on Friday that the world would have to "wait and see" when asked for details of "a new form" of nuclear test it threatened to carry out after the UN Security Council condemned Pyongyang's recent ballistic missile launch, Reuters reports.

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Sounds ominous
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Protesters in Moldovan capital condemn NATO/US interference in other countries’ affairs

World April 04, 23:04 UTC+4

CHISINAU, April 04, /ITAR-TASS/. Participants in actions of protest held on Friday in front of the buildings of the U.S. embassy and NATO mission in Chisinau, the capital of Moldova, expressed their frustration with NATO and U.S. interference in the domestic affairs of other countries.

The pickets were organized by a number of public associations including Fatherland Eurasian Union, the Young Russians’ League and ‘I am Moldovan, I speak Moldovan’ on the occasion of a yet another anniversary since NATO’s foundation.

“We know what kind of purposes the North-Atlantic pact is pursuing and we don’t want our authorities to cooperate with it,” said Ivan Muntean, the leader of ‘I am Moldovan’. “This country has a neutral status and the fact is featured in our Constitution.”

“Hundreds of thousands of people died as a result of NATO operations in Yugoslavia and Belgrade, its capital, was heavily devastated,” said Viktor Kalashnikov, the leader of the Young Russians’ League.

“Tens of thousands of human lives have been taken away by the wars unleashed by NATO in Iraq, Libya, Afghanistan and other countries,” he said. “NATO is the evil force, an ominous creature with an axe to grind against the sisterly countries that once made up the USSR.”

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