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UKRAINE: Smoke over Donetsk aiport getting bigger, explosions can be heard!!!p6110

 
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I am just putting some more fire on gasoline :-) ...

North Korea tells world to 'wait and see' on new form of nuclear test

North Korea said on Friday that the world would have to "wait and see" when asked for details of "a new form" of nuclear test it threatened to carry out after the UN Security Council condemned Pyongyang's recent ballistic missile launch, Reuters reports.

[link to voiceofrussia.com]


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some new type of nuclear cluster bomb?
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I am just putting some more fire on gasoline :-) ...

North Korea tells world to 'wait and see' on new form of nuclear test

North Korea said on Friday that the world would have to "wait and see" when asked for details of "a new form" of nuclear test it threatened to carry out after the UN Security Council condemned Pyongyang's recent ballistic missile launch, Reuters reports.

[link to voiceofrussia.com]


dead3
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some new type of nuclear cluster bomb?
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low yield, high altitude maybe?
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Ukraine Puts Mothballed Mig-29 Fighter Jets Back in Service

KIEV, April 4 (RIA Novosti) – Several mothballed Mikoyan Mig-29 Fulcrum fourth-generation fighter jets were returned to combat service in western Ukraine, the country’s Defense Ministry said on Friday.

“Specialists of our team have already returned several planes to service,” the ministry quoted an unnamed commander of an Air Force unit near Ivano-Frankivsk as saying. “We are now conducting test flights. Soon, more mothballed fighter jets will take off again.”

[link to en.ria.ru]
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I am just putting some more fire on gasoline :-) ...

North Korea tells world to 'wait and see' on new form of nuclear test

North Korea said on Friday that the world would have to "wait and see" when asked for details of "a new form" of nuclear test it threatened to carry out after the UN Security Council condemned Pyongyang's recent ballistic missile launch, Reuters reports.

[link to voiceofrussia.com]


dead3
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some new type of nuclear cluster bomb?
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low yield, high altitude maybe?
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Or just an above ground test. It likely isn't that remarkable.
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Ukraine Puts Mothballed Mig-29 Fighter Jets Back in Service

KIEV, April 4 (RIA Novosti) – Several mothballed Mikoyan Mig-29 Fulcrum fourth-generation fighter jets were returned to combat service in western Ukraine, the country’s Defense Ministry said on Friday.

“Specialists of our team have already returned several planes to service,” the ministry quoted an unnamed commander of an Air Force unit near Ivano-Frankivsk as saying. “We are now conducting test flights. Soon, more mothballed fighter jets will take off again.”

[link to en.ria.ru]
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Fine planes those Migs!
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zerohedge ‏@zerohedge · 12 min
US Threatens Russia With Sanctions Over Petrodollar-Busting Deal [link to www.zerohedge.com]



Gregor Peter ‏@L0gg0l · 19 min
Satellite pictures show Russian military buildup at Belgorod near Ukraine border [link to www.janes.com] … #Ukraine [link to twitter.com (secure)]



 Quoting: Luisport


Luis my friend!!!
That's the escalation I been waiting for!!
Once the petro dollar is under attack, WW3 is just around the corner!!!

PS!! Sorry for not posting so much, got work over my head

hf
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zerohedge ‏@zerohedge · 12 min
US Threatens Russia With Sanctions Over Petrodollar-Busting Deal [link to www.zerohedge.com]



Gregor Peter ‏@L0gg0l · 19 min
Satellite pictures show Russian military buildup at Belgorod near Ukraine border [link to www.janes.com] … #Ukraine [link to twitter.com (secure)]



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It is reported that there are 12000 people in Crimea infected with HIV. And Russia is going to stop the Methadone treatment program which will cause big problems for some 800+ drug addicts. I wonder how many of them voted to go to Russia?
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I am just putting some more fire on gasoline :-) ...

North Korea tells world to 'wait and see' on new form of nuclear test

North Korea said on Friday that the world would have to "wait and see" when asked for details of "a new form" of nuclear test it threatened to carry out after the UN Security Council condemned Pyongyang's recent ballistic missile launch, Reuters reports.

[link to voiceofrussia.com]


dead3
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some new type of nuclear cluster bomb?
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low yield, high altitude maybe?
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not what i was thinking, but good idea. certainly a low yield device of some sort
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I am just putting some more fire on gasoline :-) ...

North Korea tells world to 'wait and see' on new form of nuclear test

North Korea said on Friday that the world would have to "wait and see" when asked for details of "a new form" of nuclear test it threatened to carry out after the UN Security Council condemned Pyongyang's recent ballistic missile launch, Reuters reports.

[link to voiceofrussia.com]


dead3
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some new type of nuclear cluster bomb?
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low yield, high altitude maybe?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 55875488


Or just an above ground test. It likely isn't that remarkable.
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this fire needs more gasoline...
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It is reported that there are 12000 people in Crimea infected with HIV. And Russia is going to stop the Methadone treatment program which will cause big problems for some 800+ drug addicts. I wonder how many of them voted to go to Russia?
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most methadone users know that methadone is a bigger problem than the problem itself.
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Thousands of Ukrainian Soldiers in Crimea Apply For Russian Citizenship

MOSCOW, April 4 (RIA Novosti) – Most Ukrainian soldiers on service in Crimea voiced their wish to join the Russian Armed Forces and they were granted this opportunity, Russian Defense Minister Sergey Shoigu said on Friday.

“As of today over 8,000 of these soldiers have submitted paperwork to get Russian passports. Around 3,000 of them have already been assigned duties. We now have to create conditions for their speedy adjustment to serving in the Russian army,” Shoigu said at an off-schedule ministerial meeting.

The Russian defense minister also stated that the Ukrainian soldiers could easily leave Crimea to return to Ukraine.

[link to en.ria.ru]
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some new type of nuclear cluster bomb?
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low yield, high altitude maybe?
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Or just an above ground test. It likely isn't that remarkable.
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this fire needs more gasoline...
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LOL... cruise ...LOL... cruise LOL
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zerohedge ‏@zerohedge · 12 min
US Threatens Russia With Sanctions Over Petrodollar-Busting Deal [link to www.zerohedge.com]



Gregor Peter ‏@L0gg0l · 19 min
Satellite pictures show Russian military buildup at Belgorod near Ukraine border [link to www.janes.com] … #Ukraine [link to twitter.com (secure)]



 Quoting: Luisport


Luis my friend!!!
That's the escalation I been waiting for!!
Once the petro dollar is under attack, WW3 is just around the corner!!!

PS!! Sorry for not posting so much, got work over my head

hf
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Yes i agree with you! Don't worry you are here with us! hf
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Good Afternoon Luis!

Bad news for the US about the Petrodollar, but I don't blame Russia and China.

Further US sanctions will be a laugh
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Good Afternoon Luis!

Bad news for the US about the Petrodollar, but I don't blame Russia and China.

Further US sanctions will be a laugh
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They just closed all MacDonalds in Crimea......Obviously this mean War!

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zerohedge ‏@zerohedge · 12 min
US Threatens Russia With Sanctions Over Petrodollar-Busting Deal [link to www.zerohedge.com]



Gregor Peter ‏@L0gg0l · 19 min
Satellite pictures show Russian military buildup at Belgorod near Ukraine border [link to www.janes.com] … #Ukraine [link to twitter.com (secure)]



 Quoting: Luisport


Luis my friend!!!
That's the escalation I been waiting for!!
Once the petro dollar is under attack, WW3 is just around the corner!!!

PS!! Sorry for not posting so much, got work over my head

hf
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Yes i agree with you! Don't worry you are here with us! hf
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McDonalds chain is closed in Crimea. :( No more bigmacs for the kids. Will be replaced with Putins desert.
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I know some things along those lines have happened, I just don't know which act in particular you claim is "economic coercion". You have used words "punishment" and now "retaliation" but the key words are "economic coercion".

And you still haven't defined what it means - I take it, it is because you don't know.

It's a quite narrow concept AFAICT - I think it is limited to cutting off a vital resource for no reason. For example, if Russia said, we will cut off your gas and oil unless you give us Crimea - that would be economic coercion. Sanctions are another form of economic coercion - so what the "West" is currently doing to Russia, that may very well fall under "economic coercion". I just don't know exactly what the words mean :).

But "we will cease granting you favorable trade tariffs if you join EU because it would harm our domestic industries", that to me clearly is not. Even if the result is economically damaging to the other side.
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Russia did what it did to Moldova too - imposing trade embargoes invoking some sudden failure to conform to sanitary standards or other product standards. See these cases for example:

[link to www.globalpost.com]

[link to www.globalmeatnews.com]

We do have Nuland confessing to spend $5 billion on "democracy" in Ukraine. There is plenty of evidence of various government-funded NGOs being involved in the process. Maybe you will itemize how all that money was spent? Writing a syllabus for a course on civic virtues?
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That 5 billion $ was spent in 24 years or so to promote rule of law principles, human rights, freedom of the press, minority rights and other stuff NGOs deal with. And maybe joint programs with Ukrainian authorities. From that to "financing mobs to overthrow the government" is a long way.

Some of the support and interference was, however, incontrovertible. When the radicals among the protesters were throwing molotov cocktails and bricks at police, the EU and US were warning Yanukovych and Ukraine of sanctions and other punishment if the government tried to restore order. Then you had US/EU politicians going on stage and encouraging the protesters to instigate regime change. These acts are enough to violate the Budapest Memorandum.
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EU imposed sanctions after that bloody crackdown in Kiev.

US/EU politicians instigated protesters to do regime change? Really?

The basing agreement allowed Russia forces to leave the base, though I don't know the exact circumstances. But the constitutional president of Ukraine asked for Russian military help to maintain order - that's enough to allow them off the base under the agreements, I would think, I can't say for sure as I don't have the agreements in front of me :).
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Yeah right so the Russian military "maintained order" by taking control of airports and surrounding Ukrainian soldiers in their bases....

Once the President leaves the country and his location, condition and freedom is not verifiable whatever he says has little value and he is no longer "constitutional". He could be held against his will and made to say something another state/force wants for example. Anyhow, the Russians in Ukraine don't even care about him, they want to unite with Russia. So whatever he says is only used as a pretext. They are not struggling to get him back in power or anything.
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McDonalds chain is closed in Crimea. :( No more bigmacs for the kids. Will be replaced with Putins desert.
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cruise.. LOL LOL LOL
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McDonalds chain is closed in Crimea. :( No more bigmacs for the kids. Will be replaced with Putins desert.
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Less fat people in Crimea??

ohyeah
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McDonalds chain is closed in Crimea. :( No more bigmacs for the kids. Will be replaced with Putins desert.
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cruise.. LOL LOL LOL
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Guess they can't supply them properly.
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I am just putting some more fire on gasoline :-) ...

North Korea tells world to 'wait and see' on new form of nuclear test

North Korea said on Friday that the world would have to "wait and see" when asked for details of "a new form" of nuclear test it threatened to carry out after the UN Security Council condemned Pyongyang's recent ballistic missile launch, Reuters reports.

[link to voiceofrussia.com]


dead3
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some new type of nuclear cluster bomb?
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low yield, high altitude maybe?
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That in fact describes an EMP bomb.
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some new type of nuclear cluster bomb?


low yield, high altitude maybe?


That in fact describes an EMP bomb.


exactly, was my first though with all the rocket tests lately(not really sure how big the rocket were or if EMP nuke was ever "real-world" tested)
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Russia did what it did to Moldova too - imposing trade embargoes invoking some sudden failure to conform to sanitary standards or other product standards. See these cases for example:

[link to www.globalpost.com]

[link to www.globalmeatnews.com]
 Quoting: Polemarchos


So you still don't know what "economic coercion" means but claim that banning some chocolates and meat products for adulteration - which are very small part of Ukrainian/Russian trade - is "economic coercion"?

You know Russia bans a lot of things for adulteration. GMO crops, radioactive cars, etc.

Indeed every country bans some imports, I have never heard it labeled "economic coercion" before :).
We do have Nuland confessing to spend $5 billion on "democracy" in Ukraine. There is plenty of evidence of various government-funded NGOs being involved in the process. Maybe you will itemize how all that money was spent? Writing a syllabus for a course on civic virtues?
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That 5 billion $ was spent in 24 years or so to promote rule of law principles, human rights, freedom of the press, minority rights and other stuff NGOs deal with.
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So you say. Frankly if they did that there money was horribly spent :). BTW "human rights" and "freedome of the press" and "minority rights" are not "democracy", they are constitutional rights and anti-democratic. Just sayin'.

But some of us (like me) have been following US meddling in other countries' affairs for 30 years. So forgive me if I don't buy that "it's all for the good of the people" line for a second.

Some of the support and interference was, however, incontrovertible. When the radicals among the protesters were throwing molotov cocktails and bricks at police, the EU and US were warning Yanukovych and Ukraine of sanctions and other punishment if the government tried to restore order. Then you had US/EU politicians going on stage and encouraging the protesters to instigate regime change. These acts are enough to violate the Budapest Memorandum.
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EU imposed sanctions after that bloody crackdown in Kiev.

US/EU politicians instigated protesters to do regime change? Really?
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EU was threatening sanctions long before Feb. 18. Even in December already. I was living in Kiev at the time, so I am quite aware of what was happening.

You have to bear in mind that the entire presence of the Maidan movement was violent. They took over and blocked the main street in downtown Kiev and occupied government buildings and refused to leave, using violence against police when they tried to restore law and order. When Yanukovych simply tried to clear the street - not break up the protests, mind you, but just remove the barricades and allow traffic through - EU threatened him personally and Ukraine generally with sanctions. It was essentially a siege and military occupation of a part of Kiev - the "opposition leaders" were always instructing not to permit police in, created their own "self-defense units", etc. - they kicked the government out of a critical part of downtown Kiev and even set up a parallel "government" from which they attempted to rule.

This is how I saw it already then (when I was actually quite pro the protests and went to Maidan numerous times), and even more so with benefit of hindsight.

And when Nuland and McCain went to Independence Square and encouraged the protesters - they were in this area, controlled by protesters where police were not allowed. They were encouraging the protesters to keep their "land" they had seized, and to topple the government (which was the primary demand of the leaders - to have the elected President resign to be replaced by somebody not even the protesters voted for). These are just facts.

The basing agreement allowed Russia forces to leave the base, though I don't know the exact circumstances. But the constitutional president of Ukraine asked for Russian military help to maintain order - that's enough to allow them off the base under the agreements, I would think, I can't say for sure as I don't have the agreements in front of me :).
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Yeah right so the Russian military "maintained order" by taking control of airports and surrounding Ukrainian soldiers in their bases....
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Sure, they (whether it was Russian military or Crimean military or self-defense forces) didn't hurt anybody, but they did stop the military from interfering with the referendum, no?

Once the President leaves the country and his location, condition and freedom is not verifiable whatever he says has little value and he is no longer "constitutional".
 Quoting: Polemarchos


Sorry, that is not how either the Ukrainian constitution or international law works. And this would be the case even if he weren't fleeing for his life from the violent coup government that was trying to arrest and/or kill him.

He could be held against his will and made to say something another state/force wants for example. Anyhow, the Russians in Ukraine don't even care about him, they want to unite with Russia. So whatever he says is only used as a pretext. They are not struggling to get him back in power or anything.
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Speculation and irrelevant. As to nobody wanting him back, I did hear some calls for that from Donetsk people. But given that he was accused of murdering the Heavenly Hundred, he is not so popular in Ukraine (and also accused of stealing $70 billion - I'd say a lot of false and unprovable accusations, but they have been repeated to often by the usurpers of power and the oligarch media that people believe them).

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... and in Italy too.

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As a matter of fact, why doesn't the US just go home already. They are everywhere and constantly occupying some country or having their troops stationed there, citing threats for their national security of a country on the other end of the world. What the heck, isn't it time they leave.

GO HOME USA!

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The majority of Americans are great people. Why be so rude?
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You obviously don't live in the United States. Otherwise, you would know this to be untrue. The US government is a reflection of its people.
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McDonalds chain is closed in Crimea. :( No more bigmacs for the kids. Will be replaced with Putins desert.
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cruise.. LOL LOL LOL
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Guess they can't supply them properly.
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Trash collection has been placed on hold as fear of war continues to build. McDonald's will reopen its doors after the food requisition supply line errrp, trash collection starts back up.
'Politicians are like diapers; they need to be changed often and for the same reason.' - Mark Twain

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I am just putting some more fire on gasoline :-) ...

North Korea tells world to 'wait and see' on new form of nuclear test

North Korea said on Friday that the world would have to "wait and see" when asked for details of "a new form" of nuclear test it threatened to carry out after the UN Security Council condemned Pyongyang's recent ballistic missile launch, Reuters reports.

[link to voiceofrussia.com]


dead3
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some new type of nuclear cluster bomb?
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low yield, high altitude maybe?
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I think they are going to test a hydrogen bomb. They already stated that they achieved a breakthrough in nuclear fusion. Most people thought that they were lying about a breakthrough in producing the elusive nuclear fusion reactor for propaganda reasons. So far North Korea hasn't lied about their nuclear program. The three tests came just as they announced. I believe the first two tests were probably tests of fission primaries for hydrogen bombs. The third test was probably the test of a battlefield fission bomb, possibly an artillery round. That is why it's yield was higher, yet still smaller than Hiroshima. This upcoming test should produce a much higher magnitude on the seismic scales. I would guess a yield in the hundreds of kilotons, possibly even reaching the megaton range.

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