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UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387

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special sky programmme about plane at 4.30 6.30 and 8.30 sky the new cnn
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LOL, I know the feeling.
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special sky programmme about plane at 4.30 6.30 and 8.30 sky the new cnn
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Thanks for that in the Ukraine thread you fucking idiot.
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I wasn't expecting this kind of escalation after the past two quiet weeks.

It seems that Putin has this whole puzzle pre-planned for a long time.
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Fags shouldn't even think about trying to fuck Putin. Their willy will end up pictured on a milk carton as missing.
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Putin has troops on the eastern border (which russia themselves admit to having under the pretense of excersises).

Kharkiv, Donetsk and Lugansk erupts almost simultaneously in a very similar fashion.

A referendum is called for, much like the one in Crimea. And this will be before the presidential election which will make the government (whoever they will be) legit and not even Putin can claim otherwise.

No matter how you spin it this has got to have been planned for a long time by Putin. The pieces are starting to come together.
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special sky programmme about plane at 4.30 6.30 and 8.30 sky the new cnn
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Thanks for that in the Ukraine thread you fucking idiot.
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wtf you on bout you creep im pointing out the fact that sky should be talking about events in Ukraine and not about the plane
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Putin has troops on the eastern border (which russia themselves admit to having under the pretense of excersises).

Kharkiv, Donetsk and Lugansk erupts almost simultaneously in a very similar fashion.

A referendum is called for, much like the one in Crimea. And this will be before the presidential election which will make the government (whoever they will be) legit and not even Putin can claim otherwise.

No matter how you spin it this has got to have been planned for a long time by Putin. The pieces are starting to come together.
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(Waiting for Sun Dancer's response)
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Putin has troops on the eastern border (which russia themselves admit to having under the pretense of excersises).

Kharkiv, Donetsk and Lugansk erupts almost simultaneously in a very similar fashion.

A referendum is called for, much like the one in Crimea. And this will be before the presidential election which will make the government (whoever they will be) legit and not even Putin can claim otherwise.

No matter how you spin it this has got to have been planned for a long time by Putin. The pieces are starting to come together.
 Quoting: Nordic Wolf


[link to en.wikipedia.org]

Check it. Medvedev and Putin are working together under the same party, the party that Vlad was the leader of until he passed the torch to Medvedev. Not only that, Russia is now in an artificial dictatorship. Putin got a THIRD term in presidency because he was the Prime minister from 2008-2012, which means he can have another term. So we can assume Medvedev will have two MORE terms after Putin is out. Soviet Russia is back. Get in the bunkers.
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Just look at the map.


The problem is obvious.......Ukraine is too frickin wide

......approx. 800 miles wide.


Whoever drew up the borders screwed up.


Those in the west naturally feel closer to Europe.....and those in the east.....Russia.


[link to www.worldatlas.com]
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Gregor Gysi: "Yanukovitch ousted by Rada with only 71% of vote, constitution requires a minimum of 75% so he is still the elected leader"
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we can safely say now putin is not intrested in the whole of ukraine which means hes not intrested in the baltics either or anywhere else


SO DOOM-HALF OFF
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Fox News covering the events in Eastern Ukraine in a few moments.
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SOS! Somebody set on fire HQ of "PPl’s Home-guard" in #Mykolaiv that was raising food & goods 4 UKR military
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They really like planes on Sky!!!
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Fox News covering the events in Eastern Ukraine in a few moments.
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Any live link?
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The Red Armys coming back??

:D :D :D :D rockon
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"Potential for Russia getting involved is big." - FOX
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Fighting reported right now in donetsk
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Kharkiv Live, another livestream: [link to www.ustream.tv]
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The Interpreter&#8207;@Interpreter_Mag·1 min
Ukraine Liveblog: Russian state media legitimizes Donetsk separatists, says Putin has been given authority to invade
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Ukraine Liveblog: Russian state media legitimizes Donetsk separatists, says Putin has been given authority to invade
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We have to be honest !! That authority gas been there for a long time!!!
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oh shit
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Russia Tells Ukrainians: 'Referendum' Or We Can't Protect You As Ukraine Proposes State Of Emegency DON'T_USE_THIS.com/o4qtl3h
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Armed men try to seize TV station in Donetsk, engage in shootout with police
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Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387
True it is about picking a side and supporting it. Almost like a game but with really serious consequences.

I pick the western world's leaders and type of government to support and the facts are why ...

Freedom, human rights, salaries, life expectancy, are all much higher ... while corruption, oppression/repression, wealth inequality, and suicide are much lower under the world of the western democracies.


Russia had the second highest number of asylum seekers on the planet, second only to Syria in 2013.

Life expectancy is 10 years less in Russia.

Salaries are 1/5th in Russia.

Per capita GDP is 1/3 in Russia.

Corruption is a notoriously horrendous problem in Russia and well-controlled in most western nations.

Russia has the highest level of wealth inequality on the planet.

Russia's press freedoms are low compared to the west.


The facts speak to me as to who I will support.

The world's leaders have spoken. At the UN 100 voted against Russia while only 11 with it on the subject of Crimea. Who voted with Russia? Armenia, Belarus, Bolivia, Cuba, North Korea, Nicaragua, Sudan, Syria, Venezuela & Zimbabwe. Thats it. Im with the 100 that voted against Russia.

I do have references for all of this if anyone needs verification on anything.
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Yes, please, please provide a source for the asylum seekers figures.
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The UN publishes a report on asylum seekers every year.

[link to www.unhcr.org]

page 24

Russia was the source of 39,779 asylum seekers and second only to Syria's 56,400.

Which nations received the most asylum seekers? Germany, the US, France, and Sweden, with the US and EU taking the largest share of the world's asylum seekers. The 38 nations of Europe had 484,600 asylum claims in 2013. The United States dealt with 88,360 asylum applications in 2013.
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True it is about picking a side and supporting it. Almost like a game but with really serious consequences.

I pick the western world's leaders and type of government to support and the facts are why ...

Freedom, human rights, salaries, life expectancy, are all much higher ... while corruption, oppression/repression, wealth inequality, and suicide are much lower under the world of the western democracies.


Russia had the second highest number of asylum seekers on the planet, second only to Syria in 2013.

Life expectancy is 10 years less in Russia.

Salaries are 1/5th in Russia.

Per capita GDP is 1/3 in Russia.

Corruption is a notoriously horrendous problem in Russia and well-controlled in most western nations.

Russia has the highest level of wealth inequality on the planet.

Russia's press freedoms are low compared to the west.


The facts speak to me as to who I will support.

The world's leaders have spoken. At the UN 100 voted against Russia while only 11 with it on the subject of Crimea. Who voted with Russia? Armenia, Belarus, Bolivia, Cuba, North Korea, Nicaragua, Sudan, Syria, Venezuela & Zimbabwe. Thats it. Im with the 100 that voted against Russia.

I do have references for all of this if anyone needs verification on anything.
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...

And please verify all of your economic statistics using numbers for Russia vs. Ukraine. Those in Donetsk, Luhanks, etc. prefer Russia. They are not being offered Manhattan or Miami, they may prefer that even to Ukraine if they were, they are being offered Ukraine vs Russia (at most, most likely they will only have a choice between federal Ukraine vs. centralized Ukraine).
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I was not comparing Russia to Ukraine.




Freedom of Press:

Press Freedom Index 2013 rankings- Reporters Without Borders
[link to en.rsf.org]
[link to en.wikipedia.org]

US - 32nd
Russia - 148th

... and it has gotten significantly worse in the past 2 months, so that ranking will be even lower this year.





life expectancy
US - 79.8
Russia - 70
[link to en.wikipedia.org]



per capita GDP is 3x greater in US
[link to en.wikipedia.org]



average salary is 5x greater in US
[link to en.wikipedia.org]



corruption is a very bad problem in Russia as it can get and is very well-controlled in the US-
[link to en.wikipedia.org]




Avg house size in US is 77 M^2, in Russia its 22 M^2



suicide rate- Russia 19.6/100,000/yr; US 12/100,000 yr
(FWIW, the rate of civilian firearm ownership in the US is almost exactly 10 times what it is in Russia. 10 per 100 people in Russia vs 101 per 100 people in the US. [link to www.gunpolicy.org] )







[link to www.freedomhouse.org]
The US is one of the highest ranked nations, while Russia is one of the lowest.
"Central and Eastern Europe/Eurasia

The return of Vladimir Putin to the Russian presidency ushered in a new period of accelerated repression. With Russia setting the tone, Eurasia (consisting of the countries of the former Soviet Union minus the Baltic states) now rivals the Middle East as one of the most repressive areas on the globe. Indeed, Eurasia is in many respects the world's least free subregion, given the entrenchment of autocrats in most of its 12 countries. Gains: Improvements were seen in Armenia, Bosnia and Herzegovina, and Georgia, as well as in the disputed territories of Abkhazia and Nagorno-Karabakh, the latter of which moved from Not Free to Partly Free. Declines: Kazakhstan, Russia, Tajikistan, and Ukraine all had notable declines."










Russia Has Highest Level Of Wealth Inequality on the Planet
[link to www.rferl.org]
110 Russian citizens now control 35 percent of the total household wealth across the vast country.






As to the UN vote, it was a non-binding vote that doesn't matter much, and I explain why at [link to www.godlikeproductions.com] if you care.
 Quoting: Sun_dancer


Oh it matters, it's just not convenient for you.

Nothing I have posted is convenient for you or your support of the bad guy, so I doubt you will have any acceptance.
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Sounds (from my Twitter feed) like stuff is about to get nuts in Odessa too.
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Giuseppe Stilo: Tens of thousands of Russian troops near #Ukraine border "not in their normal peacetime positions":U.S. envoy to OSCE
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Uh oh Shit is flying.
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UkrStream off-air; loud noises heard just before (I though I heard gunshots and then loud booms, but can't be sure it wasn't mic noise)





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