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UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387

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Not really sure what the intention of these sanctions is.

- Russia is not attacking Ukraine
So it's not wanting Russia to stop attacking Ukraine

So it must be that they want Russia to de-escalate the situation.

So basically they are punishing a nation until it de-escalates a situation in a neighbour country ... without invading it ...

To have some better understanding of this situation ...
This is what happened:

A military coup took place in Ukraine.

Imagine what that sounds like ...
A military coup took place in Mexico, the new mexican government wants to join the South American Military treaty, a treaty organisation known to make frequent anti-American remarks and to place military bases near American assets ...
In response, the American army raised an alarm and is conduction exercises near the Mexican border ...

Because
A) it wants more control over what's happening to its border.
B) You never know if these Mexicans don't have any funny ideas ... it's not like they just didn't install a new anti-American government.

Many Mexicans don't want this new government, in fact, people in Tijuana want to join the USA, becoming a new state in the USA ... they want a referendum for this ...

However ...

Russia now wants USA to de-escalte the Mexican situation.
Or it will impose more sanctions ...

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Any confirmation in the mass media about the retirement of troops?
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Original....i cant reply to individual posts when they get too long..my phone doesnt allow me t scroll to bottom. Wanted to say russia is really keeping us guessing their moves. Looks like this thread going to go on a good bit longer!
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Any confirmation in the mass media about the retirement of troops?
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maybe they got bored of the waiting ... ;)
I wish i was fishing instead :)
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On Monday afternoon in Donetsk, Russian titushki with shields and bats and sticks and guns came at, attacked, and beat up a peaceful, unarmed pro-Ukraine rally of men, women and children protesting for Ukraine unity ...

... and guess what Rus TV says about it: 'Donetsk self-defense broke up a Neo-Nazi march.'

bullshit

So protesting for Ukraine is now neo-nazi?

No, the Russians are the nazis.

Putin is trying to change the facts and instigate civil war in Ukraine just like he and Assad did in Syria.
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i think Putin is like a Tsunami...

when you see the water & waves on the beach,... suddenly pull back away from the beach...

then expect a Big Tsunami...lateron.

 Quoting: told ya


This 'pullback' ties in with this

[link to www.kavkazcenter.com]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 57448987


From your link... Yeah, that'll go over real well, LOL



The general military scenario is as follows:

Airborne landings in Kiev. The aims are to seize the city center, capture the government quarter and bridges across the Dnieper, arrest the members of the legal Ukrainian government (primarily, Oleksandr Turchynov, Arseniy Yatsenyuk and Andriy Parubiy).

Simultaneously, a tank breakthrough is conducted. The most probable place of movement of armored units is the town of Sudzha in Russia's Kursk region.

Delivery of the ousted criminal Yanukovych to Kiev and announcement of the restoration of "legitimate Ukrainian authorities".

The final plan to occupy Kiev was approved in early April 2014. On April 24, a special meeting of Russian leadership confirmed the date of the offensive.

The operation of the Russian tank breakthrough to Kiev was developed by a former chief of staff of the USSR armed forces, General Lobov, who has recently been called back to service after his retirement in 1994.

The most likely date of the start of the operation is May 2 or 3, 2014.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 40876422


I honestly dont think the Russians will invade the whole of Ukraine, just the pro-Russian east.Invading The west would get the Russians bogged down in a long drawn out guerrilla war which will only sap their resources and military.

Edit..maybe thats what the US wants, as it leaves them free to attack Syria, which I believe is the real goal.

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i think Putin is like a Tsunami...

when you see the water & waves on the beach,... suddenly pull back away from the beach...

then expect a Big Tsunami...lateron.

 Quoting: told ya


I just don't see it. Reason findings if you believe as if it wasn't enough Putin gonna it is make error or judgement calls through the Vatican. Ain't yes Obama can do for.

Putin will react towards the west no about, what ok he will sensory will be the earta end.

You try and control his mind, bit off more thank wall sanders.

You watch, after ELOPE with thanks giving.

Good look but we hope not for war.
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Original....i cant reply to individual posts when they get too long..my phone doesnt allow me t scroll to bottom. Wanted to say russia is really keeping us guessing their moves. Looks like this thread going to go on a good bit longer!
 Quoting: missanthropic55


I'll bear that in mind. I agree - their motives are unclear. Every new development in the region brings a host of naysayers claiming "doom is off." Doom is never off - it just changes form. My "prediction" is based on following the events for three months, a general awareness of Russia tactics and capabilities, and a "best guess" at what the most efficient strategy and timeline would be. It could be wrong, but so far events have followed what I said to the letter.

The biggest mistake people make is to assume that events take place quickly. The conservatives in this country made the same mistake in '08 when Obama became president. They called for national doom by 2010, and it didn't appear. This makes it easy for liberals to say "You people are idiots; Obama saved the nation!" My college students actually think Obama saved America. Children, the lot of them. The basic mistake, however, is to misjudge the timing of human events. Learning the timing is pretty much the central problem of forecasting. Though I said 2 weeks to 3 months for a Russian invasion, for instance, it's entirely possible that it could happen in 15 years.
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On Monday afternoon in Donetsk, Russian titushki with shields and bats and sticks and guns came at, attacked, and beat up a peaceful, unarmed pro-Ukraine rally of men, women and children protesting for Ukraine unity ...

... and guess what Rus TV says about it: 'Donetsk self-defense broke up a Neo-Nazi march.'

bullshit

So protesting for Ukraine is now neo-nazi?

No, the Russians are the nazis.

Putin is trying to change the facts and instigate civil war in Ukraine just like he and Assad did in Syria.
 Quoting: Ukraine 35370080


Wake-up call, the war has started ... all rhetoric is now War rhetoric ...

It's war propaganda, because it's war.

Everybody knows it's not a Nazi-parade, so what, it's war, they are the enemy, the last enemy Russia defeated were nazi's, therefor the enemy are Nazi's.

Ok?

Now repeat 100 times.
We are at war, the enemies are nazi's.
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Putin doesn't even have to enter Ukraine... ;-)

older vid , secret weapon...LOL

Col. Vladimir Zhirinovsky Volfovich, claims that Russia has weapons that can "destroy any part of the planet within 15 minutes." A weapon that can put "whole continents to sleep forever!"



even if this guy in Russia is arrogant...

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i think Putin is like a Tsunami...

when you see the water & waves on the beach,... suddenly pull back away from the beach...

then expect a Big Tsunami...lateron.

 Quoting: told ya


This 'pullback' ties in with this

[link to www.kavkazcenter.com]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 57448987


From your link... Yeah, that'll go over real well, LOL



The general military scenario is as follows:

Airborne landings in Kiev. The aims are to seize the city center, capture the government quarter and bridges across the Dnieper, arrest the members of the legal Ukrainian government (primarily, Oleksandr Turchynov, Arseniy Yatsenyuk and Andriy Parubiy).

Simultaneously, a tank breakthrough is conducted. The most probable place of movement of armored units is the town of Sudzha in Russia's Kursk region.

Delivery of the ousted criminal Yanukovych to Kiev and announcement of the restoration of "legitimate Ukrainian authorities".

The final plan to occupy Kiev was approved in early April 2014. On April 24, a special meeting of Russian leadership confirmed the date of the offensive.

The operation of the Russian tank breakthrough to Kiev was developed by a former chief of staff of the USSR armed forces, General Lobov, who has recently been called back to service after his retirement in 1994.

The most likely date of the start of the operation is May 2 or 3, 2014.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 40876422


I honestly dont think the Russians will invade the whole of Ukraine, just the pro-Russian east.Invading The west would get the Russians bogged down in a long drawn out guerrilla war which will only sap their resources and military.

Edit..maybe thats what the US wants, as it leaves them free to attack Syria, which I believe is the real goal.
 Quoting: firinne


Agreed. If it happens, they won't go west of the Dnieper.
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$$ Market chatter of Russian banks aggressively selling USD [link to www.fxstreet.com] …
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Umm... it actually says they are aggressively BUYING EUR/USD, not selling, for whatever intent other than - what it says at the link - to push the market up.
I'm not a money-head, anyone any idea why they would be doing that?
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It basically means they are buying euros using dollars to pay for the purchase.

Or possibly - dealing in currency futures in pursuit of the same goals (whatever they might be).

I now realize why Russia is suddenly in a rush to open up trade and banking channels with South Africa when they have been talking about it for years and not doing much. Which is, my guess, Russia plans to trade oil for gold metal at terms advantageous to South Africa so that South Africa can afford to buy off the miners and settle the gold miners' strike. And sell the metal to Russia. All part of the BRICS long term plan to corner the world market in gold metal.
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Original....i cant reply to individual posts when they get too long..my phone doesnt allow me t scroll to bottom. Wanted to say russia is really keeping us guessing their moves. Looks like this thread going to go on a good bit longer!
 Quoting: missanthropic55


I'll bear that in mind. I agree - their motives are unclear. Every new development in the region brings a host of naysayers claiming "doom is off." Doom is never off - it just changes form. My "prediction" is based on following the events for three months, a general awareness of Russia tactics and capabilities, and a "best guess" at what the most efficient strategy and timeline would be. It could be wrong, but so far events have followed what I said to the letter.

The biggest mistake people make is to assume that events take place quickly. The conservatives in this country made the same mistake in '08 when Obama became president. They called for national doom by 2010, and it didn't appear. This makes it easy for liberals to say "You people are idiots; Obama saved the nation!" My college students actually think Obama saved America. Children, the lot of them. The basic mistake, however, is to misjudge the timing of human events. Learning the timing is pretty much the central problem of forecasting. Though I said 2 weeks to 3 months for a Russian invasion, for instance, it's entirely possible that it could happen in 15 years.
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Certainly see ur point and in the long run today's pull back doesn't really mean anything. Russia doesn't want a eu friendly giv in Kiev. Don't think they'lk back off/pull back on that.
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i think Putin is like a Tsunami...

when you see the water & waves on the beach,... suddenly pull back away from the beach...

then expect a Big Tsunami...lateron.

 Quoting: told ya


This 'pullback' ties in with this

[link to www.kavkazcenter.com]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 57448987


From your link... Yeah, that'll go over real well, LOL



The general military scenario is as follows:

Airborne landings in Kiev. The aims are to seize the city center, capture the government quarter and bridges across the Dnieper, arrest the members of the legal Ukrainian government (primarily, Oleksandr Turchynov, Arseniy Yatsenyuk and Andriy Parubiy).

Simultaneously, a tank breakthrough is conducted. The most probable place of movement of armored units is the town of Sudzha in Russia's Kursk region.

Delivery of the ousted criminal Yanukovych to Kiev and announcement of the restoration of "legitimate Ukrainian authorities".

The final plan to occupy Kiev was approved in early April 2014. On April 24, a special meeting of Russian leadership confirmed the date of the offensive.

The operation of the Russian tank breakthrough to Kiev was developed by a former chief of staff of the USSR armed forces, General Lobov, who has recently been called back to service after his retirement in 1994.

The most likely date of the start of the operation is May 2 or 3, 2014.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 40876422


I honestly dont think the Russians will invade the whole of Ukraine, just the pro-Russian east.Invading The west would get the Russians bogged down in a long drawn out guerrilla war which will only sap their resources and military.

Edit..maybe thats what the US wants, as it leaves them free to attack Syria, which I believe is the real goal.
 Quoting: firinne


Kiev was the THIRD largest city in the USSR.
It would be the third largest city if they get it back.
Kiev is the third biggest Russian speaking city in the world.
Kiev is the birthplace of the Kiev Rus, the founder of Russia.

Kiev is the price.

Besides, when they take Kiev, taking the rest of the interesting parts, South and East, will be easier.

Russia has no interest in Lvov, they know it was and always will be a troublesome area that has no affection with Russia whatsoever.

That's why they offered it to Poland.
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This 'pullback' ties in with this

[link to www.kavkazcenter.com]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 57448987


From your link... Yeah, that'll go over real well, LOL



The general military scenario is as follows:

Airborne landings in Kiev. The aims are to seize the city center, capture the government quarter and bridges across the Dnieper, arrest the members of the legal Ukrainian government (primarily, Oleksandr Turchynov, Arseniy Yatsenyuk and Andriy Parubiy).

Simultaneously, a tank breakthrough is conducted. The most probable place of movement of armored units is the town of Sudzha in Russia's Kursk region.

Delivery of the ousted criminal Yanukovych to Kiev and announcement of the restoration of "legitimate Ukrainian authorities".

The final plan to occupy Kiev was approved in early April 2014. On April 24, a special meeting of Russian leadership confirmed the date of the offensive.

The operation of the Russian tank breakthrough to Kiev was developed by a former chief of staff of the USSR armed forces, General Lobov, who has recently been called back to service after his retirement in 1994.

The most likely date of the start of the operation is May 2 or 3, 2014.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 40876422


I honestly dont think the Russians will invade the whole of Ukraine, just the pro-Russian east.Invading The west would get the Russians bogged down in a long drawn out guerrilla war which will only sap their resources and military.

Edit..maybe thats what the US wants, as it leaves them free to attack Syria, which I believe is the real goal.
 Quoting: firinne


Kiev was the THIRD largest city in the USSR.
It would be the third largest city if they get it back.
Kiev is the third biggest Russian speaking city in the world.
Kiev is the birthplace of the Kiev Rus, the founder of Russia.

Kiev is the price.

Besides, when they take Kiev, taking the rest of the interesting parts, South and East, will be easier.

Russia has no interest in Lvov, they know it was and always will be a troublesome area that has no affection with Russia whatsoever.

That's why they offered it to Poland.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 50910396


Dont you think Putin will have watched and learned with American mistakes in Iraq/Afghanistan, he may be able to defeat the Ukrainian armed forces, but controling a hostile population spread over such a vast area is an entirely different matter.

Remember all the heavy industry is in the pro Russian east, the west has no real value.
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misanthropic - Depending on how the economic war develops, Russia might be forced to accept the loss of Ukraine. Either way, Putin is pushing for the creation of a new USSR. The deal should be sealed next month, and we can probably expect more countries to join over the next 10 years. If his legacy is just that, Ukraine won't matter. He'll have succeeded in establishing a new, quasi-capitalist USSR that can stand against the EU and China. If he can simply retain Crimea, Russia will be a prominent place in the Black Sea again. And don't forget - he just reestablished Russia's Mediterranean Fleet for the first time since '91. Russia is going places.

[link to en.wikipedia.org]
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misanthropic - Depending on how the economic war develops, Russia might be forced to accept the loss of Ukraine. Either way, Putin is pushing for the creation of a new USSR. The deal should be sealed next month, and we can probably expect more countries to join over the next 10 years. If his legacy is just that, Ukraine won't matter. He'll have succeeded in establishing a new, quasi-capitalist USSR that can stand against the EU and China. If he can simply retain Crimea, Russia will be a prominent place in the Black Sea again. And don't forget - he just reestablished Russia's Mediterranean Fleet for the first time since '91. Russia is going places.

[link to en.wikipedia.org]
 Quoting: The_Original_Mind


China is well and truly with the Russians here.

China opposes sanctions on Russia over Ukraine

[link to www.irishtimes.com]

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Not really sure what the intention of these sanctions is.

- Russia is not attacking Ukraine
So it's not wanting Russia to stop attacking Ukraine

So it must be that they want Russia to de-escalate the situation.

So basically they are punishing a nation until it de-escalates a situation in a neighbour country ... without invading it ...

To have some better understanding of this situation ...
This is what happened:

A military coup took place in Ukraine.

Imagine what that sounds like ...
A military coup took place in Mexico, the new mexican government wants to join the South American Military treaty, a treaty organisation known to make frequent anti-American remarks and to place military bases near American assets ...
In response, the American army raised an alarm and is conduction exercises near the Mexican border ...

Because
A) it wants more control over what's happening to its border.
B) You never know if these Mexicans don't have any funny ideas ... it's not like they just didn't install a new anti-American government.

Many Mexicans don't want this new government, in fact, people in Tijuana want to join the USA, becoming a new state in the USA ... they want a referendum for this ...

However ...

Russia now wants USA to de-escalte the Mexican situation.
Or it will impose more sanctions ...

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Yeah, doesn't make any sense... I think that's why Russian politicians are saying that American gov lost sense of reality...
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misanthropic - Depending on how the economic war develops, Russia might be forced to accept the loss of Ukraine. Either way, Putin is pushing for the creation of a new USSR. The deal should be sealed next month, and we can probably expect more countries to join over the next 10 years. If his legacy is just that, Ukraine won't matter. He'll have succeeded in establishing a new, quasi-capitalist USSR that can stand against the EU and China. If he can simply retain Crimea, Russia will be a prominent place in the Black Sea again. And don't forget - he just reestablished Russia's Mediterranean Fleet for the first time since '91. Russia is going places.

[link to en.wikipedia.org]
 Quoting: The_Original_Mind


Going to have to get reading, maybe learn a bit more of Putin and his aspirations. Really didn't think he'd abandoned Kiev leaving ukraine to Europe. But that's my lack of knowledge. This aspiration if a new USSR I believed to be anti russian propoganda..lol.
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Russia's defence minister has told his US counterpart there will be no Russian invasion of Ukraine.

[link to www.sbs.com.au]

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Russia's defence minister has told his US counterpart there will be no Russian invasion of Ukraine.

[link to www.sbs.com.au]

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Russia's defence minister has told his US counterpart there will be no Russian invasion of Ukraine.

[link to www.sbs.com.au]

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In fairness Russia's defence minister, would hardly anounce they are going to invade, this is all just MSM B/S.
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cant believe russia gave up
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cant believe russia gave up
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They didnt. They have made clear they will only be defeated by force against them.

They have no rush to invade right today; they will continue to instigate the violence in Ukraine to try and make their case seem more legitimate.
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misanthropic - Depending on how the economic war develops, Russia might be forced to accept the loss of Ukraine. Either way, Putin is pushing for the creation of a new USSR. The deal should be sealed next month, and we can probably expect more countries to join over the next 10 years. If his legacy is just that, Ukraine won't matter. He'll have succeeded in establishing a new, quasi-capitalist USSR that can stand against the EU and China. If he can simply retain Crimea, Russia will be a prominent place in the Black Sea again. And don't forget - he just reestablished Russia's Mediterranean Fleet for the first time since '91. Russia is going places.

[link to en.wikipedia.org]
 Quoting: The_Original_Mind


China is well and truly with the Russians here.

China opposes sanctions on Russia over Ukraine

[link to www.irishtimes.com]
 Quoting: firinne


Agreed. But China isn't party to the EEU, and is still an economic rival to the fascistic Russian government. That said, I do foresee greater unity between them in the future, including, perhaps, the removal of trade barriers (especially if US/EU continue to alienate them).
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misanthropic - Depending on how the economic war develops, Russia might be forced to accept the loss of Ukraine. Either way, Putin is pushing for the creation of a new USSR. The deal should be sealed next month, and we can probably expect more countries to join over the next 10 years. If his legacy is just that, Ukraine won't matter. He'll have succeeded in establishing a new, quasi-capitalist USSR that can stand against the EU and China. If he can simply retain Crimea, Russia will be a prominent place in the Black Sea again. And don't forget - he just reestablished Russia's Mediterranean Fleet for the first time since '91. Russia is going places.

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Going to have to get reading, maybe learn a bit more of Putin and his aspirations. Really didn't think he'd abandoned Kiev leaving ukraine to Europe. But that's my lack of knowledge. This aspiration if a new USSR I believed to be anti russian propoganda..lol.
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He wouldn't do it willingly. He might be forced to leave it though.
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Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387
Work continues on Aegis Ashore ballistic missile defense facility in Romania.

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Why do former USSR states almost all align with the west and not with Russia, if Russia is so damn good and the west so bad?

Answer: The only one who think Russia is so damn good are Russian shills and the naive fools who fall for the BS of the Russian shills.





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