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Secret Ukraine-NATO correspondence and other docs leaked by a group of anonymous hackers. Many interesting photos/screens.
[link to ntv.livejournal.com]
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Threat-assessment in South-East Ukraine as of April 30

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they underestimated Odessa
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and totally underestimated Transcarpathia
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Crimea - "Temporarily occupied territories of Ukraine" I'm afraid is not an accurate assessment.
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It's been awhile that they've started making those "interesting fun to read" pictures containing bullshits on couple of pixels.
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the latest I have:-

Western military intelligence believes that within a week the entire SE Ukraine will have fallen to the Pro-Russian separatists and that the whole area is already a lost cause.

They will then have their referendums, ask to join Russia and in come the Russians. If Kiev makes any effort in the interim to take on the separatists, in come the Russians to protect the separatists and their referendum.

The general feeling beyond bravado and rhetoric is that the Kiev govt could do absolutely zero to stop either scenario. They could not even take back a few buildings, so against the might of the Russian army, the chances are nil.

It is still believed that Spetsnaz are doing the heavy lifting, taking key buildings, handing over to the separatists, before moving on to the next target.

The Kiev government recognise this and are changing their mindset to the defence of Kiev and the western zone.
 Quoting: Janey


Good to see that the flower power freedom loving anti-nazi spetsnaz are receiving the recognition they deserve, at least within the intel community.

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Putin says Ukrainian army must quit south-eastRussian President Vladimir Putin told German Chancellor Angela Merkel on May 1 that the withdrawal of Ukrainian military units from the south-east of the country, ending violence and launching a national dialogue are key issues, the Kremlin said. The Kremlin also said that Merkel, in a call it said she initiated, asked Putin to help free European military observers who are being held by pro-Russian militia in Ukraine.
[link to www.kyivpost.com]
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Separatist dogs sing russian anthem


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Holy shit.. That is awe.
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Secret Ukraine-NATO correspondence and other docs leaked by a group of anonymous hackers. Many interesting photos/screens.
[link to ntv.livejournal.com]
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Ukraine's defence budget was 2 billion USD in 2013, which was 0.97 of the GDP. That means Ukraine had no money fo defense and now they can't even buy food for the military.
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Secret Ukraine-NATO correspondence and other docs leaked by a group of anonymous hackers. Many interesting photos/screens.
[link to ntv.livejournal.com]
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wow that's a lot of leakage. Did you go through it all. What's the blockbuster leak?
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Can anyone translate the important bits?
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ESTIMATES THAT OVER 80% OF SOUTHEAST UKRAINE NOW IN SEPARATIST CONTROL
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*cof* Russian Control *cof*

A bunch of protester wouldn't be able to accomplish that alone...

There is obviously support from outside aka Russian support. Who denies that has to be stupid.
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Russian just copying US/West on what they did in Kiev but with winning plan. so Russian's win again vs US
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It's an excellent example of 4th generation warfare, as used by nation-states. US/West tried it first, initiating the crisis. Russia and Russia-backers followed through, this time it looks like it will be successful in SE Ukraine.
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wow that's a lot of leakage. Did you go through it all. What's the blockbuster leak?
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I am not sure, but probably these two info stand out.

1) Degree of Ukraine-NATO partnership is very high. Many joint events are directly sponsored by NATO. Ukraine military use Western hi-res maps.
2) There's info about a possible second coup in Kiev in the coming days/weeks by those who seek radical solution of the South-East problem.
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Finally the bright minded US intelligence agents and generals figured out exactly the same all people with half a brain have been saying here for weeks now:

It's game over in Ukraine. West is done! Cooked. Putin won.

So after Iran program and Syria, it's now Putin 3 West 0.

What surprises me is that there's still some morans who think NATO has any sort of chance against him in a global conflict.

God dam dumbasses who can't see what's in front of their eyes.
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I'd say its you that's the dumbass. Yes NATO wont want to fight ww3 over a non-NATO country unlike Russia which is spoiling for war. Lets see Russia attack baltics,Poland etc then we will see the full strength of NATO and the limits of Russian "power". Keep dreaming.
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in English please tounge

Why you are so angry? Who has ever said that Russia is going to attack any of these countries (again) after the USSR has vanished?!

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not angry, just cannot believe the rubbish some people come out with. Remember the west is 20 years ahead of Russia in military terms. As for all you people who think your oppressed? Go live in Russia if life in the west is that bad.
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Sorry dude, your posts have no points neither you make any sense.
I'm not going to live in Russia, 'the west' gave me so great comfort where I am now (if you understand sarcasm?)
Secondly, as much as you don't like it we (on the old continent) have more in common with Russia than UK had or will ever have. You were always lived in your own la-la land, while your kings and queens were trying to control the whole world (or a bit less), enjoying the treasurers from the conquered worlds.
Even today in EU, UK is against all others, and trying to be in charge and control Union as your own pawn. Not that I like EU that much but also didn't like how UK was playing a huge role in (all) Balkan conflicts and in the last 20 years was just doing its best to blockade Croatia in its steps toward Union.
So please spare me of your useless 'advises', enough is enough.

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...


Yeah right..."never" fails. Only did in the past and is again today.
Can't you people think for yourselves a bit and apply some critical thinking? Or you want to blindly follow the Twitter crap and NATO and US State Department Bullshit?
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watch what you say about Janey. the ban hammer is always nearby. :)
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I care about this Janey character as much as I care about DL's uncle intel - I mean seriously give me a break.

Shall I declare myself as egyptian AC always right with predictions? We can all just guess. Janey whoever she is just types info she gets from the same people who provide info to MSM and sounds like NATO propaganda, it's interesting and gives value to the thread but nobody should go 100% for what that wording is. That's all I'm saying. What's next, we get the guy with the crystal ball coming on here telling us what will happen and we all believe it? I hope you get my point now.
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I guess you didn't know that during Egypt's crisis, Janey gave us really good info from the ground THERE.
That's why we're depending on her now... she was a great source of info then. hf
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No, she did not. She played exactly the same role as she does here. All the post are still here, read them and look at the pattern. Then look at her first posts on this thread, (she arrived late) when there were quite a few posters with valuable insights and analysis. She was ignored.
She disappeared for a while, and then came back to the herd that by then was thinned out due to excessive banning.
She turned the Egytian threads into what I called "Janey's little tea club" with "devoted" followers, serious posters disappeared and threads fizzled out with just a handful of devotees left.


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zerohedge ‏@zerohedge · 5 min
UKRAINE PRESIDENTIAL WORKING GROUP CALLS ON OPPOSITION TO INTERVENE TO END ESCALATION OF CONFLICT AND "ARMED CONFRONTATION" -WEBSITE
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^ ^ ^

The WAR for the Ukraine: What’s the real story?


[link to stateofthenation2012.com]

The Latest and Biggest Battle Between East and West Converges in the Ukraine


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the latest I have:-

Western military intelligence believes that within a week the entire SE Ukraine will have fallen to the Pro-Russian separatists and that the whole area is already a lost cause.

They will then have their referendums, ask to join Russia and in come the Russians. If Kiev makes any effort in the interim to take on the separatists, in come the Russians to protect the separatists and their referendum.

The general feeling beyond bravado and rhetoric is that the Kiev govt could do absolutely zero to stop either scenario. They could not even take back a few buildings, so against the might of the Russian army, the chances are nil.

It is still believed that Spetsnaz are doing the heavy lifting, taking key buildings, handing over to the separatists, before moving on to the next target.

The Kiev government recognise this and are changing their mindset to the defence of Kiev and the western zone.
 Quoting: Janey


Finally the bright minded US intelligence agents and generals figured out exactly the same all people with half a brain have been saying here for weeks now:

It's game over in Ukraine. West is done! Cooked. Putin won.

So after Iran program and Syria, it's now Putin 3 West 0.

What surprises me is that there's still some morans who think NATO has any sort of chance against him in a global conflict.

God dam dumbasses who can't see what's in front of their eyes.
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I'd say its you that's the dumbass. Yes NATO wont want to fight ww3 over a non-NATO country unlike Russia which is spoiling for war. Lets see Russia attack baltics,Poland etc then we will see the full strength of NATO and the limits of Russian "power". Keep dreaming.
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what is there to conquer in NATO countries? Gays and transgenders?
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Interfax Headlines:

PUTIN SAYS DURING PHONE CALL WITH MERKEL IT IS IMPERATIVE NOW TO WITHDRAW MILITARY UNITS FROM UKRAINE'S SOUTHEASTERN REGIONS - KREMLIN

KYIV'S STATEMENTS ABOUT PLANS TO HOLD NATIONWIDE REFERENDUM ON COUNTRY'S FUTURE STRUCTURE ARE CYNICAL AMID CONTINUING MILITARY OPERATION AGAINST ITS OWN PEOPLE - RUSSIAN FOREIGN MINISTRY
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Ukraine are accusing Russia of setting up separatist training camps in Crimea under special forces direction. They have issued a formal press statement to that effect
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Why is this an issue for the world?
Is this not what turkey doing regarding rebels in syria.
Is this not what uk and usa are doing in jordan regarding syria?
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Ukraine are accusing Russia of setting up separatist training camps in Crimea under special forces direction. They have issued a formal press statement to that effect
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Why is this an issue for the world?
Is this not what turkey doing regarding rebels in syria.
Is this not what uk and usa are doing in jordan regarding syria?
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Ukraine are accusing Russia of setting up separatist training camps in Crimea under special forces direction. They have issued a formal press statement to that effect
 Quoting: Janey


Why is this an issue for the world?
Is this not what turkey doing regarding rebels in syria.
Is this not what uk and usa are doing in jordan regarding syria?
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It's the same as torture. It acceptable only when the US is doing it.
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Steve Herman@W7VOA · 6h
Interfax: #Ukraine foreign ministry says #Russia’s military attache in Kyiv detained and must depart the country.
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wow that's a lot of leakage. Did you go through it all. What's the blockbuster leak?
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I am not sure, but probably these two info stand out.

1) Degree of Ukraine-NATO partnership is very high. Many joint events are directly sponsored by NATO. Ukraine military use Western hi-res maps.
2) There's info about a possible second coup in Kiev in the coming days/weeks by those who seek radical solution of the South-East problem.
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yes that's what stood out for me too, that the NATO partnership has been implemented for a long time. The bureaucratic structures and contacts have been set up for some time now. Does that mean Yanukovitch was playing both sides?
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LOL, how would I know that? But it's pretty obvious from the way the guy fled from his country, he didn't have much control over the events.
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Don't worry, Barrack has a secret plan and Piutin is shitting in his pants as we speak!
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US Mission to NATO @USNATO · 7h
.@VP Biden: NATO's Article 5: 'There are no ifs, ands or buts about that; that is an absolute ironclad guarantee'
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Gregor Peter‏@L0gg0l·33 mins
Russia deploys attack helicopters from the feared 15th army brigade near the borders of Estonia, Latvia [link to www.nytimes.com] …


Gregor Peter‏@L0gg0l·56 mins
Ukraine's foreign minister says Russian special forces have infiltrated E. Ukraine, prepare further incursions [link to www.aljazeera.com] …
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wow that's a lot of leakage. Did you go through it all. What's the blockbuster leak?
 Quoting: NotZuckerberg


I am not sure, but probably these two info stand out.

1) Degree of Ukraine-NATO partnership is very high. Many joint events are directly sponsored by NATO. Ukraine military use Western hi-res maps.
2) There's info about a possible second coup in Kiev in the coming days/weeks by those who seek radical solution of the South-East problem.
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yes that's what stood out for me too, that the NATO partnership has been implemented for a long time. The bureaucratic structures and contacts have been set up for some time now. Does that mean Yanukovitch was playing both sides?
 Quoting: NotZuckerberg


Possibly.
Somehow it reminds me to the old Yugoslavia and president Tito, who tried to keep many different nations together and clearly said to the old USSR - Stalin into his face to fuck off and keep his hands out of YU. Later Tito was invited to US and made really nice relations to Kennedy and even Nixon, while economic and political relations with USSR were never suffering, on a contrary they were really good. But, as everyone knows, time has changed and YU had to be destroyed, too many global interests from the west created turmoils soon after Tito died.
Similar scenario is creating in front of our eyes with Ukraine. Unfortunately only who will suffer the most are 90% of ordinary people.
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Jim Sciutto@jimsciutto · 16h
Sens. McCain Corker et al intro bill to send anti-tank & -aircraft weapons to #Ukraine & sanction major #Russia banks & energy co's
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U.S. Mission to OSCE@usosce · 10h
Nothing "routine" about #Russia’s ongoing military activities near #Ukraine border: [link to 1.usa.gov]
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Airspace is closed for a 100km radius around Sochi for the next week
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Jim Sciutto@jimsciutto · 16h
Sens. McCain Corker et al intro bill to send anti-tank & -aircraft weapons to #Ukraine & sanction major #Russia banks & energy co's
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Great...that should help to calm things down...

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Jim Sciutto@jimsciutto · 16h
Sens. McCain Corker et al intro bill to send anti-tank & -aircraft weapons to #Ukraine & sanction major #Russia banks & energy co's
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This is BS.

But, even if it wasn't who was going to fire the weapons ? Nuland ? McCain ? Biden ?
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yes that's what stood out for me too, that the NATO partnership has been implemented for a long time. The bureaucratic structures and contacts have been set up for some time now. Does that mean Yanukovitch was playing both sides?
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Either he was a double-agent of some sort or the Russians will be making him uncomfortable nowadays.
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Kharkiv


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Great, communists are coming back in full force. Get ready EU, this time communism will be brought also to the west, so that you can see by yourselves what it's about!
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Separatist dogs sing russian anthem


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Those are one hell of a patriotic bunch of dogs if I ever saw one!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 57223056


These are Russian Spetznautzers dogs from FSB, they were secretly planted in Mariupol and several years pretended to be independent Ukrainian stray dogs.

The USA should put sanctions against 'separatista' dogs of the southeast. All foreign assets of the dogs must be frozen.





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