UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 | |
bloodworm User ID: 42784971 Canada 05/03/2014 06:03 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 @PaulaSlier_RT 23s Quoting: djdandew1 #Kiev says after operation in #Donetsk region it is planning similar operations in other regions So, do we think Russia will intervene? Putin will loose his face if he doesn't intervene... "Loose his face": very unlikely! "Loose face": Maybe |
djdandew1 User ID: 57594343 United Kingdom 05/03/2014 06:04 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 @UkraineConflict 1m Video of a shooting outside a recruiting office in #Lugansk #Ukraine “This is a memo that describes how we’re going to take out seven countries in five years, starting with Iraq, and then Syria, Lebanon, Libya, Somalia, Sudan and, finishing off, Iran.” General Wesley Clark |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 57192322 United Kingdom 05/03/2014 06:04 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 Hehe remember that UK based films series about WW2 where they talked about WW2, I love that series, there is much truth in it. "The World at War" it was called. BBC productions, as I recall. I have every episode and know every frame of that series, truly a gem. Indeed, it is simply this: Alphabet war. One alphabet fights another, using human proxies, who use natiuonal proxies as leaders, who use opther nations as proxies in wars. So, I, to bypass the IP network, use a proxy, to discuss proxies on all levels. Sublime, and sad. Let's not have war or hatchets or Rwanda or all the 20th Century shit. Let's go back to 1885 or 1776 or something cool. Well in my nation those were cool years. |
RTS REDUX User ID: 56858557 United States 05/03/2014 06:05 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 /watch?v=75dlup0WXGY Quoting: Anonymous Coward 57192322 ^^^ This video shows APCs in a neighborhood with local husbands and mothers and grannies shouting go home to Kiev. It is a RT broadcast of Russian speakers audience. I wold like TV to be as useful and good as GLP. That'd be awesome. But how? ps: you need to learn how to post links correctly |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 35370080 United States 05/03/2014 06:07 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 ian bremmer @ianbremmer Quoting: Anonymous Coward 35370080 Approval Ratings: Obama: 41% Putin: 82% Kim Jong Un: 100% As government-controlled propaganda goes up and non-government media is oppressed, the ratings of the leader will go up. related; From Reporters Without Borders: Will the Russian Internet soon be under complete control? [link to en.rsf.org] |
Seosamh User ID: 57668099 United Kingdom 05/03/2014 06:08 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 @PaulaSlier_RT 23s Quoting: djdandew1 #Kiev says after operation in #Donetsk region it is planning similar operations in other regions So, do we think Russia will intervene? Eventually, yes, albeit reluctantly, because the Russians know that when they do intervene they will be taking the bait. Intervention by Russia will push the sevile EU further into the US's hands.. this is exactly what the yanks want. Russia's move into Ukraine will be decisive and bloody. The western-backed fascists will be wiped out, just as the Chechen jihadists were. And remember what happened to the Georgian military when the US/Israel pushed them to invade South Ossetia, which was under UN recognised Russian protection. Russia wiped the floor with the Georgian upstarts. Ukraine will be no different. Let's hope it does not come to this. |
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RangerKeel User ID: 44234167 Bulgaria 05/03/2014 06:11 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 @PaulaSlier_RT 23s Quoting: djdandew1 #Kiev says after operation in #Donetsk region it is planning similar operations in other regions So, do we think Russia will intervene? Putin will loose his face if he doesn't intervene... agree, he will have to act... btw this is hands down the best thread about Ukraine on the Internet, just keep going! I think he is making a hard sacrifice of his ego just to hold the world back from entering WW3 and opening the way for destruction of billions of human and animal lives. Just the diametric of US and NATO who are desperately provoking a military answer from him thus making their agendas reality. Just my view. I may not fully grasp who Putin really is, but so far his decisions are telling this. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 42605851 United States 05/03/2014 06:12 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 Russian's have already established reluctance. Now it is time to either call or fold. Four and a half hours until sunrise in Kiev. Let us see what tomorrow brings because no meaningful diplomacy is taking place from either side right now. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 51401 Canada 05/03/2014 06:13 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 He backed himself into a nice corner. Don't invade, look like a coward. Invade, deal with an Ukrainian war & insurgency, as well as additional western sanctions. If Russia invades eastern Ukraine they won't have to deal with an insurgency. They will be welcomed as liberators. The people in the east want to join Russia. The insurgency is happening now against the US sponsored fascist government in Kiev. Additional western sanctions hurt the west as much as Russia. These could lead to the collapse of the west. Somebody is in a corner, but it is not Putin. Next you ll prove Santa is real right? |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 35370080 United States 05/03/2014 06:14 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 After similar moves in Sloviansk and Kramatorsk, the terrorists' Russia handlers ('green men'), ie Russian mil and intel, have reported to leave multiple other areas, including Donetsk itself and Mariupol, leaving only armed locals behind. (TV) |
katballoo User ID: 39880751 Canada 05/03/2014 06:14 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 Wouw the level of russian trolling in here is mind blowing, just hope no one really beliefs your views are shared by even the 10% of the real world out there. My ass this thread participants make Pravda look like Pulitzer candidates Quoting: Anonymous Coward 56489765 +1 The Russian shills posting under false flags have attacked this thread hard and pretty much taken it over. People sometimes jokingly talk about shills at this forum, but Russia has a real online shill program that many westerners are unaware of. Most Ukrainians have known this for years now though. You are certainly a paid provocateur. You defend murderers, bitches burning people alive, and marginals whose only way to earn some money is killing people and talking bullshit all day long. We know who is paying you with money stolen from our taxes. We know you hate humanity, Christianity and all virtues. I hope your kind will get obliterated from the face of the planet one day soon. You are a very transparent scum, and certainly you do not realize you are being used as a WC brush, and as such when you wear off will get dumped. You are a shame and disgust for every thinking person. /\ typical Russian mentality. If I stated anything he did not like on the street, he would try to beat me up instead of having a discussion/debate with me. Thats how they are. I have been paying close attention to you. You are definitely a shill. No flag, an AC. Why don't you let us know where you are from? You are the lowest of the low, no be gone with you! |
henryk User ID: 2771636 Georgia 05/03/2014 06:15 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 Putin-lovers much more quiet today. Think they are at the russian military recruitment centers? Nah, they are munching on bologna sandwiches in mamas basement realizing how stupid they sounded. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 14524586 We are waiting for the no fly zone. Putin will react accordingly, what is necessary will be done. If not then we will know, this is the moment when the last hope dies. Maybe not. Putin won't want to make a move before the ESC in Copenhagen on Saturday as this wouldn't be in the national interest of Russia. Timing is everything. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 40117249 Netherlands 05/03/2014 06:15 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 Russian's have already established reluctance. Now it is time to either call or fold. Four and a half hours until sunrise in Kiev. Let us see what tomorrow brings because no meaningful diplomacy is taking place from either side right now. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 42605851 I agree with you, except for the last part. I think a lot of talking is going on behind the scenes/curtains. If all diplomacy stops, then it's getting really bad. |
JazzyG Forum Administrator User ID: 5725534 United States 05/03/2014 06:15 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 Just altered path toward that way yes. To know where your heart is, look where your mind goes when it wanders. A rock in bad hands killed Abel. A rock in good hands killed Goliath. It isn't about the rock. A true warrior fights not because he hates the one in front of him, but because he loves those behind him. INTP-A |
The Årtist User ID: 44124412 United States 05/03/2014 06:16 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 He backed himself into a nice corner. Don't invade, look like a coward. Invade, deal with an Ukrainian war & insurgency, as well as additional western sanctions. Lavrov is asking Kerry to put pressure on to stop the assault: [link to news.yahoo.com] So here's my (amateur) take on what seems to me a brilliant move by Putin/Russia: This is a diplomatic approach striving for peace, and appealing to an entity which should have great influence over the Kiev army. Although we all know the west drove the Kiev army to this is in the first place. But at least Russia is, I hate to use the phrase, doing the "politically correct" thing. It will be interesting to see what the western reaction will be and it will shape what, if anything, Russia does next. It won't surprise me if the violence not only doesn't stop, but gets worse regardless of the rhetoric out of either side. The real script plays out behind the scenes regardless of what we see and hear in any of our media. My opinion is that Putin/Russia is engaging in carefully calculated and thought out moves. Probably along lines none of us could think of. Nonetheless at some point, somehow, I personally expect this to erupt into major war, and WWIII because the western powers are at a point of desperation in the looming collapse of their world. This is certainly my take on it. After reading some of the replies it seems as though Putin is sitting back to allow the situation to become desperate and try to "solve" the situation the same way the US tried to solve situations in the public, through "diplomacy". If Putin can show a terrible situation to the world, one that's backed by the West, and then appear to be pushing for a diplomatic solution in the public then he can say the US doesn't want peace. He can then, in the public, point his finger at Kerry as being the warmonger. I'm not suggesting that's the truth, just what seems to be the outward appearance for public relations. I think Putin is going to intervene. But to capitalize on it he's going to make it a point to create the situation where he has the most international shame leverage he can. With the huge air asset build up in Crimea Russia may be preparing for that "second phase" where Ukraine said they were going to repeat in other places what they've done in the east. In the meantime you can bet your ass Russian military is locating, selecting, and preparing for specific targets, this does take a couple of days. So when John Kerry keeps pushing his rhetoric after Putin makes his best case than the US are warmongers, the hammer will drop. It will be swift, harsh, and unbeatable by Ukraine and so quick NATO will only be able to respond later, after it occurs. I do, also, believe it's going to become a huge mess. RAGE |
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RTS REDUX User ID: 56858557 United States 05/03/2014 06:18 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 He backed himself into a nice corner. Don't invade, look like a coward. Invade, deal with an Ukrainian war & insurgency, as well as additional western sanctions. If Russia invades eastern Ukraine they won't have to deal with an insurgency. They will be welcomed as liberators. The people in the east want to join Russia. The insurgency is happening now against the US sponsored fascist government in Kiev. Additional western sanctions hurt the west as much as Russia. These could lead to the collapse of the west. Somebody is in a corner, but it is not Putin. exactly. He is winning the PR battle. eventually the talking heads in the MSM will realize just how ridiculous it is, and when they do, the politicians of NATO including GOP talking heads, will be in big trouble because people will begin to realize that they are all nazis and have been lying all along. Last Edited by RTS REDUX on 05/03/2014 06:19 PM |
djdandew1 User ID: 57594343 United Kingdom 05/03/2014 06:19 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 @EuromaidanPR 3m #Mariupol PrivatBank HQ in fire now (owner #Kolomoysky,who pays money for detained terrorists) [link to pbs.twimg.com (secure)] “This is a memo that describes how we’re going to take out seven countries in five years, starting with Iraq, and then Syria, Lebanon, Libya, Somalia, Sudan and, finishing off, Iran.” General Wesley Clark |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 57669274 Croatia 05/03/2014 06:19 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 agree, he will have to act... btw this is hands down the best thread about Ukraine on the Internet, just keep going! I think he is making a hard sacrifice of his ego just to hold the world back from entering WW3 and opening the way for destruction of billions of human and animal lives. Just the diametric of US and NATO who are desperately provoking a military answer from him thus making their agendas reality. Just my view. I may not fully grasp who Putin really is, but so far his decisions are telling this. I, on other hand, don't think that you think at all. If you did/are, you would have found out that Russia annexed Crimea and is trying to annex more of Ukraine, provoking military answer of Ukraine and maybe NATO as well |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 42605851 United States 05/03/2014 06:19 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 Russian's have already established reluctance. Now it is time to either call or fold. Four and a half hours until sunrise in Kiev. Let us see what tomorrow brings because no meaningful diplomacy is taking place from either side right now. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 42605851 I agree with you, except for the last part. I think a lot of talking is going on behind the scenes/curtains. If all diplomacy stops, then it's getting really bad. There is never any certainty about back channels but the public talking has definitely stopped and what little has been said recently is entirely repetitive. I guess the Ukraine army could get humiliated in the east but right now it looks more like a bloody standoff at best for people who live there. |
djdandew1 User ID: 57594343 United Kingdom 05/03/2014 06:20 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 @lennutrajektoor 3m In #Konstantinovka the battle resumed just now. #ATO #Ukraine “This is a memo that describes how we’re going to take out seven countries in five years, starting with Iraq, and then Syria, Lebanon, Libya, Somalia, Sudan and, finishing off, Iran.” General Wesley Clark |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 35370080 United States 05/03/2014 06:20 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 pictures from Mariupol: [link to twitter.com (secure)] [link to twitter.com (secure)] [link to twitter.com (secure)] [link to twitter.com (secure)] (this fire is at a bank near town hall.) [link to twitter.com (secure)] (fire again) all from this guy: [link to twitter.com (secure)] Those who self identify as Ukrainians are a slight majority in the city over those who identify as ethnic Russians, but almost all Ukrainians are staying hidden due to fear of attack from the Russians. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 57463367 Germany 05/03/2014 06:21 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 @EuromaidanPR 3m Quoting: djdandew1 #Mariupol PrivatBank HQ in fire now (owner #Kolomoysky,who pays money for detained terrorists) [link to pbs.twimg.com (secure)] |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 57662347 Portugal 05/03/2014 06:21 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 RT @RT_com · 28 seg At least five pro-autonomy activists injured in #Kramatorsk, Kiev army 'shoots to kill’ - reports [link to on.rt.com] RT @RT_com · 57 seg UPDATE: At least 1 anti-Kiev protester dead, 2 injured in clashes with security forces in #Lugansk [link to on.rt.com] |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 35370080 United States 05/03/2014 06:23 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 35370080 +1 The Russian shills posting under false flags have attacked this thread hard and pretty much taken it over. People sometimes jokingly talk about shills at this forum, but Russia has a real online shill program that many westerners are unaware of. Most Ukrainians have known this for years now though. You are certainly a paid provocateur. You defend murderers, bitches burning people alive, and marginals whose only way to earn some money is killing people and talking bullshit all day long. We know who is paying you with money stolen from our taxes. We know you hate humanity, Christianity and all virtues. I hope your kind will get obliterated from the face of the planet one day soon. You are a very transparent scum, and certainly you do not realize you are being used as a WC brush, and as such when you wear off will get dumped. You are a shame and disgust for every thinking person. /\ typical Russian mentality. If I stated anything he did not like on the street, he would try to beat me up instead of having a discussion/debate with me. Thats how they are. I have been paying close attention to you. You are definitely a shill. No flag, an AC. Why don't you let us know where you are from? You are the lowest of the low, no be gone with you! Im not a shill, only a Ukrainian. and the ONLY posts Ive seen from you in this thread have been: 1) hardcore Putin cocksucking and bashing all things pro-Ukraine and all things 'west' 2) personally attacking other members, like you are doing right here. If you have something worthwhile to contribute to the thread then do so. If not, then GTFO! |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 42605851 United States 05/03/2014 06:24 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 Actually I think Russia is hoping that the wait will drive a wedge between the US and its European allies. At some level each country has to deal with not only its own interests but its own public. Russia has a lot to balance but they will never rebuild relations with the US led west so that has lost its impact when it comes to policy in Ukraine. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 57668083 Luxembourg 05/03/2014 06:24 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 pictures from Mariupol: Quoting: Anonymous Coward 35370080 [link to twitter.com (secure)] [link to twitter.com (secure)] [link to twitter.com (secure)] [link to twitter.com (secure)] (this fire is at a bank near town hall.) [link to twitter.com (secure)] (fire again) all from this guy: [link to twitter.com (secure)] Those who self identify as Ukrainians are a slight majority in the city over those who identify as ethnic Russians, but almost all Ukrainians are staying hidden due to fear of attack from the Russians. i see what you did there |