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Jeez that's two different things. One is that people of Ukraine really want some change because there is huge corruption, criminality and all that shits. That's true and many of them think EU can help them. This is of course bullshit, EU don't want another 50 millions of poor, hungry throats ffs. EU and West only abused situation in their geopolitical game. They abused milions of Ukrainian people, gave them false hope and fucked with them hard. And believe me I know very good what I am talking about because they fucked up same way with our country too...

And, as usual, sorry for my grammar...
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Sorry, but you are mistaken. First, we are not hungry throats and we are able to earn our food ourselves - potentially Ukraine has much higher potential than many other EU countries. Believe me. Second, the corruption in EU is hardly higher than 1/100 of what was/is in Ukraine. Third, when we are considered ready for joining the EU, the latter will not exist. So, not risk at all :)
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So naive...
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Ukraine has much higher potential than many other EU countries - right there - sounds like NGO talking points handed down from their "sponsors" abroad! Without naming one or two in particular!

How I recognize this? Terrorist Brotherhood also sounded more like US State Department or Cameron/Hague every day with their rhetoric than what we previously heard from them when they spoke arabic!

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silly gifs...
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Jeez that's two different things. One is that people of Ukraine really want some change because there is huge corruption, criminality and all that shits. That's true and many of them think EU can help them. This is of course bullshit, EU don't want another 50 millions of poor, hungry throats ffs. EU and West only abused situation in their geopolitical game. They abused milions of Ukrainian people, gave them false hope and fucked with them hard. And believe me I know very good what I am talking about because they fucked up same way with our country too...

And, as usual, sorry for my grammar...
 Quoting: Tpotleoz


What you say is all true, doesn't change the fact that Ukraine majority wanted to join EU and that Russia has brainwashed many with its first class propaganda.
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Yes, they want to join but they will never. Not because Russia but because EU and West don't give a fuck what they want. Corporations want to suck whole Ukrainian sources, Pentagon and NATO deploy military installations and after years they will say You did not meet our terms and conditions, maybe in next 5 years. EU want their own Mexicans, Hispanians...
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Sorry, but you are mistaken. First, we are not hungry throats and we are able to earn our food ourselves - potentially Ukraine has much higher potential than many other EU countries. Believe me. Second, the corruption in EU is hardly higher than 1/100 of what was/is in Ukraine. Third, when we are considered ready for joining the EU, the latter will not exist. So, not risk at all :)
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So naive...
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Not really naive , Ukraine have big corruption .. It is a fact , same with Russia .
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Could you please tell me a country without corruption? I know some are worse than others, living in one myself, but really, which country doesn't have issues with that?
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"What you say is all true, doesn't change the fact that Ukraine majority wanted to join EU and that Russia has brainwashed many with its first class propaganda."


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This statement is misleading.


Ukraine is a very wide country.....over 800 miles......twice as wide as France.


The Ukrainians in the west feel closer to Europe.....and the Ukrainians in the South and East feel closer to Russia.


Simple geography, ancestry and history


Look at map in 1900. 75% of current Ukraine was part of Russia.....and had been so for several hundred years.


The Western 25% was part of Europe.
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Jeez that's two different things. One is that people of Ukraine really want some change because there is huge corruption, criminality and all that shits. That's true and many of them think EU can help them. This is of course bullshit, EU don't want another 50 millions of poor, hungry throats ffs. EU and West only abused situation in their geopolitical game. They abused milions of Ukrainian people, gave them false hope and fucked with them hard. And believe me I know very good what I am talking about because they fucked up same way with our country too...

And, as usual, sorry for my grammar...
 Quoting: Tpotleoz


What you say is all true, doesn't change the fact that Ukraine majority wanted to join EU and that Russia has brainwashed many with its first class propaganda.
 Quoting: TheExpendableOne


Yes, they want to join but they will never. Not because Russia but because EU and West don't give a fuck what they want. Corporations want to suck whole Ukrainian sources, Pentagon and NATO deploy military installations and after years they will say You did not meet our terms and conditions, maybe in next 5 years. EU want their own Mexicans, Hispanians...
 Quoting: Tpotleoz


They already said in the EU that Ukraine is not going to join anytime soon. And meanwhile IMF is putting pressure on Kiev to meet all the austerity measures, or as they say "tightened their belts" a little. Things are just going to go downhill while they're being plundered.
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and here we see the Kremlin finally admitting more and more what the real issue is(not some made-up fascism or harm to Russians or whatever) --->


"EU had decided once and for all to tear Ukraine from Russia, to force Ukraine to make an artificial choice between Russia & the West"
- Lavrov Tuesday


The horrible flaw and denial of reality in their thinking is that the EU did not do this! The people of Ukraine did!

The vast majority of the people of Ukraine wanted EU association, wanted Yanukovych gone ASAP due to his abuse of power including many instances of intimidation and violence -often very horrible violence- directed at nonviolent people by his Berkut, and to finally put an path towards lessening the gov corruption/bribery that plagues us so badly.


The EU did not 'tear Ukraine from Russia.'

The EU did not 'force Ukraine to make any choice.'


Those statements show a fundamental and severe flaw and denial of reality in the Kremlin.

Its like a man's wife leaving him and he blames everyone else but her and himself.
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Putin/Lavrov/all of Kremlin states they are 'protecting Russians' in Ukraine which is of course a lie and the opposite of reality.

The Kremlin's incitement of destabilization, terrorism, warfare, hatred and distrust, and horribly false propaganda lies ONLY and SIGNIFICANTLY endanger the Russians in Ukraine and that is what he wants - dead and wounded Russians in Ukraine.
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So naive...
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Not really naive , Ukraine have big corruption .. It is a fact , same with Russia .
 Quoting: Lux Æterna


Could you please tell me a country without corruption? I know some are worse than others, living in one myself, but really, which country doesn't have issues with that?
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I know that , every country have corruption but its hardly as corrupt as Ukraine or Russia .. At least in Europe i dont see other so close to that .
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So naive...
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Ukraine has much higher potential than many other EU countries - right there - sounds like NGO talking points handed down from their "sponsors" abroad! Without naming one or two in particular!

How I recognize this? Terrorist Brotherhood also sounded more like US State Department or Cameron/Hague every day with their rhetoric than what we previously heard from them when they spoke arabic!

horn We are all activists and we are passionate about something!
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ehm I may add they have the biggest shale gas depot in Europe but...it's around Slaviansk
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 57771938


I think you didn't get my point. Every country they do this to of course has something huge for their interests. Look at Egypt. The amount of gold and raw materials plus natural gas, and several findings of mines and a certain mineral, all has gone crazy here.

What I meant to point out was the language. You can find something of interest for them to exploit in any given country, they just smear honey around their lips with that uplifting and promising rhetoric.
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Interfax reports that a Russian Defence Ministry satellite has just been launched from Plesetsk Cosmodrome. Speculation is short-term spysat
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One nice thing about joining the EU and Nato.....is that you will get sprayed more.


.......if you into that sort of thing.
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Not really naive , Ukraine have big corruption .. It is a fact , same with Russia .
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Could you please tell me a country without corruption? I know some are worse than others, living in one myself, but really, which country doesn't have issues with that?
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LOL those guys don't know how EU/US politics are made. Basically lobbyists from corporations offer bribes to politicians to pass laws in their industries' favor. The highest bidder gets the parliamentarians vote. It's the biggest corruption imaginable.
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So why didnt you move yet? Maybe your place should be Russia or Ukraine? ? Since EU is so bad ..
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I'm doomed out for the day!

Here are some good hashes to watch on Twitter. Change them to "all" from "top" and use chrome and do translate.

Slavyansk - [link to twitter.com (secure)]

Mariupol - [link to twitter.com (secure)]

Donetsk - [link to twitter.com (secure)]


And here is a video I havent seen yet from Sloviansk:



peace
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I'm doomed out for the day!

Here are some good hashes to watch on Twitter. Change them to "all" from "top" and use chrome and do translate.

Slavyansk - [link to twitter.com (secure)]

Mariupol - [link to twitter.com (secure)]

Donetsk - [link to twitter.com (secure)]


And here is a video I havent seen yet from Sloviansk:



peace
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peace
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I can't agree...i think the people of Ukraine have been played like a musical instrument.
 Quoting: missanthropic55


and the reverberation never stops?
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Will probably go on for decades...if we make it that long
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wow, that's deep
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Wtf is ur problem? I grew up right in the middle of 40 years of bloody and brutal conflict. You want deep I got deep. So when u have time i'll share!

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and the reverberation never stops?
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Will probably go on for decades...if we make it that long
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wow, that's deep
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Wtf is ur problem? I grew up right in the middle of 40 years of bloody and brutal conflict. You want deep I got deep. So when u have i'll share!
 Quoting: missanthropic55


Misanthro lives in Belfast. She has a lot of deep to share for sure.

And why oh why does everyone want everyone to move and leave their country........I know, they want to steal our houses.
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Could you please tell me a country without corruption? I know some are worse than others, living in one myself, but really, which country doesn't have issues with that?
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LOL those guys don't know how EU/US politics are made. Basically lobbyists from corporations offer bribes to politicians to pass laws in their industries' favor. The highest bidder gets the parliamentarians vote. It's the biggest corruption imaginable.
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So why didnt you move yet? Maybe your place should be Russia or Ukraine? ? Since EU is so bad ..
 Quoting: NotZuckerberg


The EU is fucked mate,trillions of ever increasing debt and every day more and more people want out.

We have lost our national Sovereignty to Brussels and we are basically nothing more than debt slaves to the ECB, with more and more taxes increasing by the year, and our countries are being raped of their assets and sold off fire sale style.

As for any Ukrainians on here...be carefull what you wish for.
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NATO is considering the establishment of military bases in Eastern Europe

Currently, NATO troops are present in Eastern Europe on the basis of short-rotation, but this practice should end before the end of 2014.

"I think it's something that we have to consider, and we survived this discussion on our leaders to see where it leads," - said Breedlove.

[link to www.unn.com.ua]
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Jeez that's two different things. One is that people of Ukraine really want some change because there is huge corruption, criminality and all that shits. That's true and many of them think EU can help them. This is of course bullshit, EU don't want another 50 millions of poor, hungry throats ffs. EU and West only abused situation in their geopolitical game. They abused milions of Ukrainian people, gave them false hope and fucked with them hard. And believe me I know very good what I am talking about because they fucked up same way with our country too...

And, as usual, sorry for my grammar...
 Quoting: Tpotleoz


Sorry, but you are mistaken. First, we are not hungry throats and we are able to earn our food ourselves - potentially Ukraine has much higher potential than many other EU countries. Believe me. Second, the corruption in EU is hardly higher than 1/100 of what was/is in Ukraine. Third, when we are considered ready for joining the EU, the latter will not exist. So, not risk at all :)
 Quoting: TheExpendableOne


Don´t tell me that, many of Ukrainians work in my country. They cleaning houses, working as bricklayers. With university education of course. And they have still better money than in Ukraine in their own professions. So don't act like you act. Fact is that - integration to EU means for Ukraine drastic price increasing of everything, fullfiling stupid quotes for everything (including restrictions on agricultural production for example) and tons of another bullshits. Joining that criminal organizations as EU or NATO is a huge mistake I think...
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NATO is considering the establishment of military bases in Eastern Europe

Currently, NATO troops are present in Eastern Europe on the basis of short-rotation, but this practice should end before the end of 2014.

"I think it's something that we have to consider, and we survived this discussion on our leaders to see where it leads," - said Breedlove.

[link to www.unn.com.ua]
 Quoting: tmorais


An american expert on Russian history is claiming there is a steady build up of NATO troops in Baltic member states. Don't have a link I was listening to him on the radio last night.
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Jeez that's two different things. One is that people of Ukraine really want some change because there is huge corruption, criminality and all that shits. That's true and many of them think EU can help them. This is of course bullshit, EU don't want another 50 millions of poor, hungry throats ffs. EU and West only abused situation in their geopolitical game. They abused milions of Ukrainian people, gave them false hope and fucked with them hard. And believe me I know very good what I am talking about because they fucked up same way with our country too...

And, as usual, sorry for my grammar...
 Quoting: Tpotleoz


Sorry, but you are mistaken. First, we are not hungry throats and we are able to earn our food ourselves - potentially Ukraine has much higher potential than many other EU countries. Believe me. Second, the corruption in EU is hardly higher than 1/100 of what was/is in Ukraine. Third, when we are considered ready for joining the EU, the latter will not exist. So, not risk at all :)
 Quoting: TheExpendableOne


Don´t tell me that, many of Ukrainians work in my country. They cleaning houses, working as bricklayers. With university education of course. And they have still better money than in Ukraine in their own professions. So don't act like you act. Fact is that - integration to EU means for Ukraine drastic price increasing of everything, fullfiling stupid quotes for everything (including restrictions on agricultural production for example) and tons of another bullshits. Joining that criminal organizations as EU or NATO is a huge mistake I think...
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How many percent of the Russian GDP did Putin say is what the Ukrainian workers make in Russia? It's also a big part. People should think about this stuff.
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NATO is considering the establishment of military bases in Eastern Europe

Currently, NATO troops are present in Eastern Europe on the basis of short-rotation, but this practice should end before the end of 2014.

"I think it's something that we have to consider, and we survived this discussion on our leaders to see where it leads," - said Breedlove.

[link to www.unn.com.ua]
 Quoting: tmorais


An american expert on Russian history is claiming there is a steady build up of NATO troops in Baltic member states. Don't have a link I was listening to him on the radio last night.
 Quoting: missanthropic55


NATO's eastward expansion:

[link to stratrisks.com]

I believe that Putin has been preparing for this moment a long time ago...

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Putin will discuss the situation in Ukraine with the head of the OSCE

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LOL those guys don't know how EU/US politics are made. Basically lobbyists from corporations offer bribes to politicians to pass laws in their industries' favor. The highest bidder gets the parliamentarians vote. It's the biggest corruption imaginable.
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So why didnt you move yet? Maybe your place should be Russia or Ukraine? ? Since EU is so bad ..
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there's still maybe 10 more years of decent living conditions here but I will move to asia or russia eventually I think in 10-15 years. I'm learning russian atm, and chinese after
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Be a bigger slave in china .. Not for me really :)
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Iraq...Afghan...Libya...Egypt...Syria...Ukraine...( )
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Pro-russian militants repaired old ww2 tanks:

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Sorry, but you are mistaken. First, we are not hungry throats and we are able to earn our food ourselves - potentially Ukraine has much higher potential than many other EU countries. Believe me. Second, the corruption in EU is hardly higher than 1/100 of what was/is in Ukraine. Third, when we are considered ready for joining the EU, the latter will not exist. So, not risk at all :)
 Quoting: TheExpendableOne


Don´t tell me that, many of Ukrainians work in my country. They cleaning houses, working as bricklayers. With university education of course. And they have still better money than in Ukraine in their own professions. So don't act like you act. Fact is that - integration to EU means for Ukraine drastic price increasing of everything, fullfiling stupid quotes for everything (including restrictions on agricultural production for example) and tons of another bullshits. Joining that criminal organizations as EU or NATO is a huge mistake I think...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 57758671


How many percent of the Russian GDP did Putin say is what the Ukrainian workers make in Russia? It's also a big part. People should think about this stuff.
 Quoting: TheExpendableOne


That's it. Plus on the east of Ukraine are many industrial enterprises working for RF military. If EU will come to UA all of that will be finished. Because no one left plants working for army in concurent/enemy hands...
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French illuminati Jacques Attali say"WW3 will start in Ukraine"

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French illuminati Jacques Attali say"WW3 will start in Ukraine"
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there's still maybe 10 more years of decent living conditions here but I will move to asia or russia eventually I think in 10-15 years. I'm learning russian atm, and chinese after
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Be a bigger slave in china .. Not for me really :)
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Asia is the future hi
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I'm learning ninjutsu....
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