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UKRAINE: U.S. VICE PRESIDENT BIDEN TELLS UKRAINE PRESIDENT U.S. TO GIVE ABOUT $8 MLN IN NEW AID TO UKRAINE BORDER GUARD SERVICE!!!p5208

 
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This is a test.
 Quoting: Lux Æterna


Believe it or not those are actually our soldiers. this vid went viral in Slovenia. tomato
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Notzuckerberg is continuing to troll under multiple IP's proxies

same words, same trolling, trolling the same issue over and over, over many pages, refusing to admit its on the Russian government's own website

all trolling that same exact thing but under multiple different IPs.

The only conclusion is that Notzuckerberg is using multiple proxies here to troll up the thread.
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Just catching up after being out for a bit.
Six more pages to go.
I hope ac 080 is banned by the time I catch up
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Perhaps I'm not wise enough on the workings of NATO. But getting the distinction impression that if Russia invades Ukraine, there will be direct NATO involvement. Maybe by request of Kiev.
 Quoting: missanthropic55


It is NATO's involvement, at least potentially, that is driving Russian involvement. Take NATO completely out of the picture and insure Ukraine neutrality in the Constitution with specific and ironclad guarantees and people would be shocked at how quickly all of these other issues would disappear. NATO has even jumped into the diplomacy and has scheduled exercises on Ukraine soil. It doesn't matter if NATO directly intervenes if Russia invades. They will be in like gangbusters in any part of Ukraine that Russia doesn't occupy and they will foment insurrection in the rest, just as they say Russia is doing now. NATO is the whole key to this crisis and the primary cause IMO.
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I agree ..started under Clinton with NATO moving into Baltic states.
 Quoting: missanthropic55


Despite the promise that NATO would not go further east than Germany.
 Quoting: Unit 88


This is why Putin doesn't trust the US. I think now we have Russia pushing back against a western led offensive. This is much bigger than a Ukrainian civil war.
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I don't know if anyone posted this or not but some Ukrainian Media is reporting that Russia is currently invading as of 5/6/2014...


"And how can a man die better than facing fearful odds, for the ashes of his fathers, and the temples of his Gods..." ~ Horatius

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It is NATO's involvement, at least potentially, that is driving Russian involvement. Take NATO completely out of the picture and insure Ukraine neutrality in the Constitution with specific and ironclad guarantees and people would be shocked at how quickly all of these other issues would disappear. NATO has even jumped into the diplomacy and has scheduled exercises on Ukraine soil. It doesn't matter if NATO directly intervenes if Russia invades. They will be in like gangbusters in any part of Ukraine that Russia doesn't occupy and they will foment insurrection in the rest, just as they say Russia is doing now. NATO is the whole key to this crisis and the primary cause IMO.
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I agree ..started under Clinton with NATO moving into Baltic states.
 Quoting: missanthropic55


Despite the promise that NATO would not go further east than Germany.
 Quoting: Unit 88


This is why Putin doesn't trust the US. I think now we have Russia pushing back against a western led offensive. This is much bigger than a Ukrainian civil war.
 Quoting: missanthropic55


Exactly :)
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Ukraine Parliament votes no for nationwide decentralisation referendum.
Thee russian separatists therefore stay illegal for now.

[link to dumskaya.net]

Nice BALLS there Kiev!
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It is NATO's involvement, at least potentially, that is driving Russian involvement. Take NATO completely out of the picture and insure Ukraine neutrality in the Constitution with specific and ironclad guarantees and people would be shocked at how quickly all of these other issues would disappear. NATO has even jumped into the diplomacy and has scheduled exercises on Ukraine soil. It doesn't matter if NATO directly intervenes if Russia invades. They will be in like gangbusters in any part of Ukraine that Russia doesn't occupy and they will foment insurrection in the rest, just as they say Russia is doing now. NATO is the whole key to this crisis and the primary cause IMO.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 57708099


I agree ..started under Clinton with NATO moving into Baltic states.
 Quoting: missanthropic55


Despite the promise that NATO would not go further east than Germany.
 Quoting: Unit 88


This is why Putin doesn't trust the US. I think now we have Russia pushing back against a western led offensive. This is much bigger than a Ukrainian civil war.
 Quoting: missanthropic55

Nato is either a paper tiger, ravishef by cuts and withdrawal of troops and tanks or is encircling Russia and about to invade Moscow. Can't be both.
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This is a test.
 Quoting: Lux Æterna


Believe it or not those are actually our soldiers. this vid went viral in Slovenia. tomato
 Quoting: Matjaz


Ooh.
I had no idea.
hf
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I agree ..started under Clinton with NATO moving into Baltic states.
 Quoting: missanthropic55


Despite the promise that NATO would not go further east than Germany.
 Quoting: Unit 88


This is why Putin doesn't trust the US. I think now we have Russia pushing back against a western led offensive. This is much bigger than a Ukrainian civil war.
 Quoting: missanthropic55

Nato is either a paper tiger, ravishef by cuts and withdrawal of troops and tanks or is encircling Russia and about to invade Moscow. Can't be both.
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Or neither? I can't understand that logic.
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Preparations for the May 9th victory parade are underway in Moscow. Take notice of the new "emblems" on the tanks and armored vehicles, Wow!
[link to www.tvn24.pl]

Link is from polish msm, wait out the commercial at the beginning of the video.

bump
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Video wont play for me. How do they look like?
 Quoting: Matjaz


they painted st george ribbon on tanks and other vehicles
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Why would this be out of ordinary? The parade is celebrating victory in WW2.
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Interesting how Ukraine has no such events in their history or schedules - victory over nazistic Germany. Soon they might only celebrate victory over their own citizens who speak a little different language.
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[link to twitter.com (secure)]

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Where is Luis?
Come back, to steer this epic thread.
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Babylon started all this and it will be the end of America
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Where is Luis?
Come back, to steer this epic thread.
ohyeah
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and change the title as well
Moldoava does not exist
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Dmitriy Miryan ‏@DimaMiryan 31 sec

#Russia won't take part in Geneva 2.0 negotiations without separatist-representatives of E #Ukraine
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Where is Luis?
Come back, to steer this epic thread.
ohyeah
 Quoting: Lux Æterna


and change the title as well
Moldoava does not exist
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maybe we should change OP? we live in democracy now. we can vote for any OP we want, right?
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SBU operation inside Radabank in Odessa. Not allowed to film but saw several masked men in black and in sport shoes. #Ukraine @Ruptly
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Dmitriy Miryan ‏@DimaMiryan 31 sec

#Russia won't take part in Geneva 2.0 negotiations without separatist-representatives of E #Ukraine

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Makes perfect sense.
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Where is Luis?
Come back, to steer this epic thread.
ohyeah
 Quoting: Lux Æterna


and change the title as well
Moldoava does not exist
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 57758874


maybe we should change OP? we live in democracy now. we can vote for any OP we want, right?
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oyesbutt
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I'm here again... for the rest of the day.
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I'm here again... for the rest of the day.
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thx God :)
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I'm here again... for the rest of the day.
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Hi Luis hf
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#Russia won't take part in Geneva 2.0 negotiations without separatist-representatives of E #Ukraine

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Makes perfect sense.
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Sounds fair, but who represents who? Russia playing games again.
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Waiting for orders to move in.


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I'm here again... for the rest of the day.
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I'm here again... for the rest of the day.
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5a
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Waiting for orders to move in.


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Wholly sheetballz.

Welcome back Luis. Last 5-10 pages have been madness, lots of shills attempting to derail as best as they can. They failed, but was mighty annoying.
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Waiting for orders to move in.


 Quoting: Falter


Even more.


"The Oceans Will Rise; Nuclear Winter Will Be Upon Us; And The World As We Know It Will End"

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Notzuckerberg is continuing to troll under multiple IP's proxies

same words, same trolling, trolling the same issue over and over, over many pages, refusing to admit its on the Russian government's own website

all trolling that same exact thing but under multiple different IPs.

The only conclusion is that Notzuckerberg is using multiple proxies here to troll up the thread.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 35370080


Just catching up after being out for a bit.
Six more pages to go.
I hope ac 080 is banned by the time I catch up
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 41196294


I don't agree with most of what he posts and he calls people shills but I don't want him banned. He does contribute an essential viewpoint to this thread. He says he is young and I can believe it but it is the emotions of the young that are out of control from both sides that are a key part of the mix right now. Their ancestors fought the last world war with no holds barred. Besides, if I lived in Kiev I would fear Russia too.
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[link to www.bank.gov.ua]

less than 50 percent


Stepan Kubiv: The receipt of a loan from the IMF will enable the National Bank to replenish the gold and foreign exchange reserves and help strengthen the stability of the national currency

05.05.2014

He noted that over USD 1 billion that would come from the first tranche would be used to replenish the gold and foreign exchange reserves of the National Bank of Ukraine, which would enable Ukraine to strengthen its financial system.



So, are they borrowing money to replace the gold they let go on a plane to somewhere.
 Quoting: steelseries


You couldn,t make this shit up..^^^

This whole thing is about bringing the Ukraine under dollar/Imf control...in order to stop Ukraine going along with the new BRICS bank being set up.

Debt is control.
 Quoting: firinne


Holy Frigg, those ukrainians better wake up quick, and march to kiev and kick those bastards out before they turn into greece