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Also one thing dudes like me know is that any reciprocating piston engine from lawnmower to V8 can run on natural gas or propane. So, a lot of the fluffery about tech is essentially based on bad info. Mostly, old tech is being eliminated because in this way, the plebes are arrested by their need for new shit, and this is like pulling taffy, if you understand the iPhone goobers, as the leading edge of dumbness, and yet, here are the iPhoners and phone-cam-peeps giving us minute-to-minute data to work with. WHY NO PHONETARDS INSIDE DURING CRISES?? SO CLOSE!!

Anyway, I care not for barrels of oil, I know I can run my truck off propane and 100% of my electronic as well, also I am, ready to help neighbors of mine but they all have good skillsets in these terms.
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Moscow is dreaming about Eurasia from Lisabon to Vladivostok, not only for Empire restoration
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they have already 4/5 of that. Why to take Lisbon and Paris only with the cost of WW3? BRICS is already bigger than that, as well as the Soviet empire of old. I don't know what they dream of but apparently more than Crimea and Donetsk. The fools in Kiev and elsewhere really think they can stop it with means comparable to childish play with broken Kalashnikovs, while Putin's generals test ICBMs. It is insane but it is it. On May 9th the world may be told a part of the future agenda. Is the negotiated surrender an option of survival? Will the nuclear war be permitted to happen on full scale? If so, there might be no land to conquer but those guys may not need any land, they have underground space.
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Two game sims come to mind, both of which are favorites of mine (I know it's not a game but in a way it is)

1: ENDWAR by Ubisoft and Tom Clancy ...Do not forget Tom C. predicted Georgia > South Ossetia events of 2008 to a "T", eerily true. ...In ENDWAR, the cry of "peas and security" has come, the Earth is free of nukes, HOORAY ...Then we can have straight up endwar with rods-of-gods and of course the Russians just send in a giant nuke, KA-BOOM-SKI, hehe, fun game let's talk about it.

and

2: The fine game Axis and Allies which is now completely awesome in IP form as something called "triple A" (for the three a's in the original game.. But now it's not just WW2, you can use the triple A engine to game any conflict. Specifically there is a map called Conflict 2012 or something but what's key is this: It allocates units (war units) based on GDP of the world at that time... This means that China bloc and Russia bloc start with what units they would have in real life. ...Also I must mention this: The triple A engine allows you to run the AI, 4-way war against itself. I am saying that you can plug in this GDP map into triple-A and watch the (crude but simple) AI, duke it out, in economic (again low-scale, no major nukeing of civilians or cities) warfare. So, I am winding up to this: I (as with the film War Games) enjoy sitting and watch the AI PLAY WW3, and when the units are allocated along the lines of GDP, in accordance with the board game Axis and Allies, well, It is always the same outcome: Germany and China slug it out economically while Russia tries to find ground in middle Europe, but basically China comes easily into Turkey, mid east, etc. I have though of you-tubing these gameplays I watch, based on the most realistic models available, and it's scary but not altogether frightening because knowledge is power.

3: Oh and then there is "DEFCON: Everybody Dies" which is also a favorite of mine, tho less so, because tactically, you have lost when you approach DEFCON, in these terms, this 1980's style game shows a very key truth: Depleted Uranium, tho it lasts 1 million years, is nothing next to skies full of demonic atomic robotic emissaries of some horrific cult that runs Earth like a collection of witches.
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I don't know the other two games. I have read Tom Clancy's book "Red storm rising" [link to en.wikipedia.org] of hypothetical WW3 scenario, that sounded something like that:

USSR loses 50% of its oil refineries in mega bombings by Muslim terrorists from Soviet republic. In the aftermath, the ruling Politburo of elderly men finds "way out" of the oil crisis: USSR must invade the Middle East oil fields. Since they are controlled mostly by USA, before that it has to defeat USA. As a first step, the goal is set to break up NATO alliance and to cut off Europe from USA. USSR attacks Germany by land, and invades Iceland and Norway as bases for bombers and ships, to stop the cross-Atlantic supply route. Greece declares neutrality to "Russian-German war". NATO is presented mainly by US, UK, France and Germany. Prolonged sea-air war in Atlantic and ground war on West German territory are inconclusive after weeks of mutual exhausting non-nuclear war. At that time, Politburo decides to kill all top generals who couldn't take Paris in 2-3 weeks, and to give tactical nukes to the next general in command to make the conventionally impossible breakthrough in NATO front. The young general sees that as "opening the door to hell", and with the help of KGB makes successful coup in Kremlin. Then he signs armistice with the American NATO commander.

You say how far from reality Mr Clancy was and is now, even after his death. Almost at 180 degrees.
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I play tactical simulations and do historical research as an obsessive hobby, doesn't everyone?
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Yes
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Hehe my brother ..Surely we know gaming can replace horrofest like this??
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I play tactical simulations and do historical research as an obsessive hobby, doesn't everyone?
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Yes
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Hehe my brother ..Surely we know gaming can replace horrofest like this??
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It would be nice :)
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Isn't there a thred that says Putin will be missing before May 15th ? I think it was that "I tell you" thred or something like that. I never read the thred, but I've seen references to it ???? I think Putin had better stay out of Crimea for that parade !!!


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Seems like the most likely scenario. Even if it can't be proven the one thing that sticks out is which side laughed and mocked and which side mourned. The aftermath was almost as divisive as the tragedy itself.
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The so called pro kyiv football fans (and included prorussians) were happily on their way to a football match when they were attacked by pro russians. That is what sparked the beginning of this tragedy. The main fire was from when a petrol supply on, I think the 3rd floor, caught fire. Enough violence from all sides please.
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bsflag
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There was more than one fire started. [link to www.youtube.com (secure)]
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I was thinking more about those poor unsuspecting football fans 'happily' on there way to a game...armed with batons, sticks and knives.
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This thread should be permapinned...
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Russia will invade Ukraine within 72 hours. Uncle Intel
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I play tactical simulations and do historical research as an obsessive hobby, doesn't everyone?
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I do that too. And lately I have been almost every day... I have also a preppers group.

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Of course there is. Because communism is dead and buried. Though nobody can recall when it died and who killed it
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Fascists like you are just as bad as the communists ever were. Psycopathic killers who have nothing positive to offer the planet.
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Don't insult me. I am Nazi, not fascist
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What's the difference?

Can you define both?
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Yes. Nazis and Fascists are dudes that notZuckenberg doesn't like. Nazis are better looking though.
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oh boy, here we go my fellow americans....get your checkbooks ready, more taxes coming and get ready to invest your 401k's into US government bonds, cause The Russsian are coming, the russians are coming .....we can save you, if you give us more money
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Easiest solution ever:

**** S T O P D O I N G B U S I N E S S W I T H R U S S I A / S T O P B U Y I N G R U S S I A N G O O D S ****
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Ok, no gas! Any objections?
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lolsign
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Russia has so much gas they dont know what to do with it and they still buy gas at a cheap rate from other countries. They have little else to offer. There is always solar energy and that may be what worries them.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 54622593


They (RUSSIA) are just finalising a deal to sell gas to 1 billion Chinese, which will NOT be traded in dollars. Who needs Europe ???

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Easiest solution ever:

**** S T O P D O I N G B U S I N E S S W I T H R U S S I A / S T O P B U Y I N G R U S S I A N G O O D S ****
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Ok, no gas! Any objections?
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Just because russian gas is probably the cheapest and fastest to germany dose not mean we can't afford some more expensive from f.e. canada if need be.

Our politicians should start making up their mind about if it really is a GOOD and WANTED solution to aquire gas from RUSSIA at low cost and pay the price of betrayal and threat or just get some balls and make new contracts with the usa and canada.

Both the US and Canada could easily supply germanies needs.

The political will in GERMANY to do this however lacks bigtime. Look how Schroeder sold us out to russia.
It's probably time to reform the german political and industrial landscape into a more US/UK/CANADIAN friendly one.

Im sick and tired of beeing forced to cooperate with the wrong side of the planet, chancellor merkel.
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You probably could go well without gas! So why don't you try it?

You think it can be done without provoking serious economic disturbances, go for it!
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Russia will invade Ukraine within 72 hours. Uncle Intel
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Who's your Uncle? Uncle Sam?

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You say how far from reality Mr Clancy was and is now, even after his death. Almost at 180 degrees.
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I will parse your tactic paragraph in a moment, but, see, first, Tom Clancy was assassinated just recently so that's key here.

But, I think he is right with both 2008 and also the ENDWAR map seems fairly consistent as to how I see the future. In terms of ENDWAR, we see the USA fight only goes to great-lakes AFB region then to DC --CALIFORNIA NOT IN ENDWAR?? NOR CHINA?? The game was designed in China, Ubisoft, hehe, well, let us fill in the picture, but one more thing: In TV show Jericho, also, California is not a factor nor really is China, its up to Texas (?!?) to Save the West, hehe.

Aheh so the point in gaming is not only to see the mind of the devs, and the $$$ behind it, but also, what blueprints are they trying to field in your minds?? I watch them to guage how the world changes, and I see this moment as being roughly akin to 2003, nobody thought 2008 events were coming, but they did come, and when they come again, hm..

1: Will VW again be for a moment the biggest company IN THE EWORLD?? Hehe, farhfurgneguen FTW at least during 20008 events

2: and Which bank will be the sacrificial lamb this time? Oh man, I would look to the epic JP Morgan >< Reich battle in gold which happen in the 20s, again, gold play and fiat is happening but this time its the USA in the role of Weimar, and last time, Weimar Germans did not have uber weapons, so this is a new kind of fiat, it's backed by rolled steel, last time German fiat tried to switch back to gold bit didn't have enough steel to back it.

It is also important to know the restrictions on Germany which post-WW2 brought about, that's why gold was taken from them, and all well know that Rome used Germans as a tool, ad I thin a lot of that was to again, punish them for Luther's heresy. So, Rome is a jealous little bitch when it comes to Jesus, and it will pivot everyone it is sphere, yes, my country as well, fully captured by the 18th Amendment and removal of metals.

It is also important to realize that metals-manipulation (price suppression or supply-inflation) is key for ALL FIAT PLAYERS so all want fiat world money supply of diverse currency, but also they want to have a commodity they can sell like BBL OIL of course the Saudis appreciate fiat and govt bonds, but they need also to have a commodities market which is floatable through wartime. Gold is not, but BBL OIL, is.

War make corporate boards and false corporate "personages" as fat as porkrinds to human real person.
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Of course there is. Because communism is dead and buried. Though nobody can recall when it died and who killed it
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Fascists like you are just as bad as the communists ever were. Psycopathic killers who have nothing positive to offer the planet.
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Don't insult me. I am Nazi, not fascist
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What's the difference?

Can you define both?
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"That's fascist!" "A fascist cop demanded to know where I was going." "My fascist boss likes to say, 'My way or the highway'." "My fascist dad won't let me stay out after 10 pm." "Don't buy stuff from that fascist corporation; they fired employees sickened by handling their toxic waste." "Chile's Augusto Pinochet was a fascist dictator, who murdered tens of thousands of his own people." "Fascist Party leader Mussolini became Prime Minister by threatening to make Italy ungovernable." 

But---

Nazism can't Fascism!
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Fascists like you are just as bad as the communists ever were. Psycopathic killers who have nothing positive to offer the planet.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1593102

Don't insult me. I am Nazi, not fascist
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What's the difference?

Can you define both?
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"That's fascist!" "A fascist cop demanded to know where I was going." "My fascist boss likes to say, 'My way or the highway'." "My fascist dad won't let me stay out after 10 pm." "Don't buy stuff from that fascist corporation; they fired employees sickened by handling their toxic waste." "Chile's Augusto Pinochet was a fascist dictator, who murdered tens of thousands of his own people." "Fascist Party leader Mussolini became Prime Minister by threatening to make Italy ungovernable." 

But---

Nazism can't Fascism!
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oh boy, here we go my fellow americans....get your checkbooks ready, more taxes coming and get ready to invest your 401k's into US government bonds, cause The Russsian are coming, the russians are coming .....we can save you, if you give us more money
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Oh V. Jarret Co has already dialeted that sphincter on the US body populi, US retirement funds WILL buy US treasuries, that's the only allowed path in their blueprint. It's all done already anyway, Mass Health just folded into Barrycare, so, America is essentially done as far as disabled and elderly people go, the insurance companies will eat them like shrimp cocktail and take their retirements, pure theft from the top.
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@mfa_russia: #Lavrov: Holding elections while the army is being used against part of the population is rather unusual. After all, this is not Afghanistan

@mfa_russia: #Lavrov: Our army is positioned on our territory, and is engaged in activities that are not prohibited and do not violate legal principles

@mfa_russia: #Lavrov: Unfortunately, our western partners are still unable to agree to Southeast Ukraine’s equal participation in a national dialogue

@mfa_russia: #Lavrov: Practical steps can be taken only by Ukrainians themselves, provided they are not kept from working together #UnitedForUkraine

@mfa_russia: #Lavrov: Let’s work together to help Ukraine start a dialogue instead of tearing it between East and West #UnitedForUkraine

@mfa_russia: #Lavrov: We won’t move forward on the Geneva Statement without the full participation of Ukraine's south and east #UnitedForUkraine

@mfa_russia: #Lavrov: To de-escalate the violence, there needs to be agreement on the sequence of steps and on who should do what

@mfa_russia: #Lavrov: The protestors in the south and in the east want to be heard and to have an equal say in their country’s future #UnitedForUkraine

@mfa_russia: #Lavrov: I've asked my NATO colleagues, will NATO countries repeat their call not to use the army now? @natomission_ru

@mfa_russia: #Lavrov: In February, the NATO Secretary General and defence ministers said Ukraine’s army must not interfere in the political process

@mfa_russia: #Lavrov: The Geneva Statement begins with the words: All sides must refrain from any violence. How? The army should obviously be withdrawn

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fucking idiot...
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Idiot is understatement considering that he is German and the so called Russian goods and market are vital for the German economy.
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Ok, no gas! Any objections?
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lolsign
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Russia has so much gas they dont know what to do with it and they still buy gas at a cheap rate from other countries. They have little else to offer. There is always solar energy and that may be what worries them.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 54622593


They (RUSSIA) are just finalising a deal to sell gas to 1 billion Chinese, which will NOT be traded in dollars. Who needs Europe ???

[link to www.zerohedge.com]
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Serious consequences right there for the petrodollar
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The 5th Dimension principal of harmony reveals that supporting others creates strength. The lower dimension mind believes that acquiring or taking from others makes you stronger. Yet, as you can imagine, if all people desire to "take" from others, the fabric of the reality tears itself apart.
If you want to start prospering and growing stronger,start focusing on supporting others.

If you want to start prospering and growing stronger, focus on supporting others where you can. Give to others that cross YOUR PATH and you soon discover you will be given more. The 5th Dimension principal of harmony means that you will always have an abundance to do a good work.
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Russia will invade Ukraine within 72 hours. Uncle Intel
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Who's your Uncle? Uncle Sam?

gwdance
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It's was just sarcasm. But I do have a hunch. My hunches are often right it seems. Often but not always of course don't know how or why but I have had them all my life about people, places, things etc and more often then not... Let me backtrack a bit and say by the end of Sunday Eastern Standard Time (or just eastern I forget which it is now) and I will leave it at that.
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#Ukraine A legendary tank T-34 was recovered in #Lugansk and ready to liberate #Odessa,#Kharkov #Kiev from fascists)
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 Quoting: RedEyeJedi


Wow!

While most Americans could not find Russia -- much less Ukraine -- on a map... all of a sudden WWII history enthusiasts will become mesmerised with these current events.
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