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UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387

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"Referendum" in the Donetsk and Lugansk regions are designed to hide the real public sentiment - MFA

The Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Ukraine perceive the so-called referendum in the Donetsk and Lugansk regions as an attempt to conceal the true attitudes.

"Implementation of the so-called" referendum "in the Donetsk and Lugansk regions is not only illegal and illegitimate, for various reasons, but also serves as an attempt to disguise the real mood in the society in which the vast majority (70%) of the population in the eastern regions of Ukraine prefers a unified state and only 18% support detach the region from Ukraine ", - said in a commentary of Information Policy Ministry.

The Foreign Ministry indicate that one of the problems is that "the vast majority of local residents - the true patriots and supporters of a united and indivisible Ukrainian state - intimidated by armed terrorist gangs and pro-Russian, fearing for their lives, can not express their opinions freely, characterized from militants' positions and their collaborators. "

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IF YOU QUOTE A SHILL, AND SOMEONE HAS TO GO TO THE TROUBLE OF REPORTING YOUR POST (BECAUSE YOU QUOTED THE SHILL)…

That could land you with negative karma.

STOP REPLYING TO SHILLS AND JUST REPORT THEM AS ABUSIVE.

Why make the mods' jobs harder by quoting them, and why be a pain in your fellow members' asses making them have to send in a report on YOUR POST TOO because YOU QUOTED some trolling total asshole.

Be fucking courteous.

Huge threads like this are a total annoyance in the first place (to me), let alone having (what I thought were) intelligent posters replying to obvious shills and making a huge nasty mess.
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Sorry, this is old, this guy is posting a bunch of old stuff and I didn't notice
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don't hate yourself so much, Japs were MUCH worse what they did in Asia, but it went under reported for some peculiar reason.
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Not that I agree with you about Japan, but reason is pretty clear - to not undermine relationship with USA.
Same reason why Bandera UPA-UNSO and Baltian collaboraters were mostly excluded from Nurenberg trubunal files. To avoid ethnic strifes in SU.
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Or was it because there was no reason to include?
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Czar Putin Mission Accomplished in Crimea Puts up Ukraine Smoke and Mirrors

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He hardly lifted a finger. You guys did all this by yourselves. Probably US and Brit experts will take the fragmentation of Ukraine and run with a similar plan for the further fragmentation of the Balkans in response to Putins supposed actions.
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Yep. Greece will have to hand back territoty to Macedonia and Albania. left overs are for Turkey.
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Paruby said about the need for an anti-Putin coalition

NSDC Secretary Andrew Paruby said about the need for an anti-Putin coalition. About this he wrote on his page on Facebook.

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76 years Putin chairs Anschluss Crimea, the parade in Sevastopol and sent terrorists to hold a referendum on the Donbass "- wrote Paruby.

According to him: "The world can still have a chance. Antiputin coalition of states should be created now, and not during the third world war, as it was with the anti-Hitler coalition," - wrote Secretary of the NSDC.

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Thanks MO, you do try to run a clean ship, thanks for tolerating AC I try to be good. ;)
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do you guys realize that Luhansk and Donetsk regions are 7 million ppl...that's 20% of Ukraine's population that's gone.
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Add to that the almost 2 million in Crimea and that is a 9 million person loss of tax payer base.
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NO SQUABBLING AMONG MEMBERS AND POSTERS!!!!!!!


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REPORT shills/trolls/threats as ABUSIVE. Send them to the mod queue to be dealt with instead of quoting their trash and fucking up the thread.
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How can an AC make PMs?
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...


This morning will be interesting.. How Ukrainian Junta will react? Do you think they'll leave both cities completely?
 Quoting: tmorais


hard to say since we don't really know how much they control. They seem to have some checkpoints here and there but no real presence in urban areas. I guess they will start tomorrow appointing prosecutors, new police and creating an army. I also read they were going to merge Luhansk and Donetsk regions. But the troops won't move by themselves since they think the referendum was illegal.
 Quoting: NotZuckerberg


With all this hate against Kiev maybe we should expect a serious escalation next days.
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So far the militia have been extremely strategic as if they were actually avoiding to kill anyone. No ambushes on the army etc which could have resulted in dozens of deaths. At the same time they have dug in pretty well and there's no way their positions are in danger by an army assault. So now with the referendum this might change as they are officially invaders, international law is on the side of the militia, nevermind what politicians say. Right of self determination is part of international law, that's how States are formed. Same as in Crimea.
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I don't expect the partisan versus occupying army mentality to develop overnight but eventually it is inevitable if Kiev doesn't withdraw. No matter what anyone else says the people there will consider the referendum legitimate and draw their own conclusions.
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I feel we're already deep in WWIII, but in a kind of "phoney war" phase...
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sure sure the more they shoot the more are recruited into the militia and will want revenge and take over other regions, until Kiev falls
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BIGGEST problem with all of this is that THESE are not SERVICEMEN, THESE are RIGHT SECTOR TROOPS so they have no legal right whatsoever to even be firing those rifles. Let alone resume the role of the beyond undermanned National Guard.
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First, there is no Right Sector troops. A member of Right Sector party like a member of any other party officially making his military service at National Army or at National Guard is making his duty legally. Second, if somebody is so biased and wants to blame a RS before claiming that there were some members of RS in this military unit he needs not only to provide an evidence this is really true, but above all else to prove that this was really a govermental unit.

Anyway, civils should know that they are not allowed to grab or snatch out arms from a serviceman or a policeman irrespecive whether he is at duty or not. This fatal accident should be a good lesson for those who has already forgotten these common rules. To be drunk is not an excuse.
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Given Newsmedia.ru blocked videos something went wrong with propaganda :) Unbiased readers will understand everything without further comments.
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NO SQUABBLING AMONG MEMBERS AND POSTERS!!!!!!!


If you have a problem with each other, take it PRIVATE.


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REPORT shills/trolls/threats as ABUSIVE. Send them to the mod queue to be dealt with instead of quoting their trash and fucking up the thread.
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How can an AC make PMs?
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create an account then upgrade it
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Of course. Brainwashed. No reason to hate Russia whatsoever. I'm sure your urge to repeatedly invade and kill us, is just an expression of pure love and friendship. You're a special kind of stupid, aren't you? iamwith
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All dividions (invasions) of Poland were joint actions by Russia (Empire or Soviet) and Germany (Prussia, Austria etc.) Why do you hate only Russia than if not brainwashed?
Also I could remember Polish invasion during The Time of Troubles, liberation from which is now celebrated in Russia at November 4th.

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It's tiring to come to the thread for updates on UKRAINE only to see people fighting over the nuances of World War II.
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It's tiring to come to the thread for updates on UKRAINE only to see people fighting over the nuances of World War II.
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"battle" fatigue?

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Part of Russian armored vehicles painted in the colors of United Nations Peacekeepers - Pashinsky

Acting Chief of Staff Sergei Pashinsky told yesterday that some Russian armored vehicles on the border with Ukraine has painted the colors of the UN peacekeeping force - said the plot TSN.Tyzhden .

He said that it was a whole convoy of armored vehicles. accordance with the provisions of the United Nations, on the introduction of peacekeeping forces can only be taken at a meeting of the UN Security Council. Pashinsky stressed that any incursion into the territory of Ukraine is regarded as a military aggression.
[link to tsn.ua]

A personal friend of Mr Kolomoysky, prominent member of the then-opposition, Parliamentarian and present head of administration Sergey Pashinsky was stopped by police as he removed a sniper’s rifle with a silencer from the scene of murder. This discovery was briefly reported in the New York Times, but later removed.

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Of course. Brainwashed. No reason to hate Russia whatsoever. I'm sure your urge to repeatedly invade and kill us, is just an expression of pure love and friendship. You're a special kind of stupid, aren't you? iamwith
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All dividions (invasions) of Poland were joint actions by Russia (Empire or Soviet) and Germany (Prussia, Austria etc.) Why do you hate only Russia than if not brainwashed?
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that's why!


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^^^ Okay this man is a dick, his face says: Monster.
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Part of Russian armored vehicles painted in the colors of United Nations Peacekeepers - Pashinsky

Acting Chief of Staff Sergei Pashinsky told yesterday that some Russian armored vehicles on the border with Ukraine has painted the colors of the UN peacekeeping force - said the plot TSN.Tyzhden .

He said that it was a whole convoy of armored vehicles. accordance with the provisions of the United Nations, on the introduction of peacekeeping forces can only be taken at a meeting of the UN Security Council. Pashinsky stressed that any incursion into the territory of Ukraine is regarded as a military aggression.
[link to tsn.ua]

A personal friend of Mr Kolomoysky, prominent member of the then-opposition, Parliamentarian and present head of administration Sergey Pashinsky was stopped by police as he removed a sniper’s rifle with a silencer from the scene of murder. This discovery was briefly reported in the New York Times, but later removed.

[link to www.counterpunch.org]
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arliamentarian and present head of administration Sergey Pashinsky was stopped by police as he removed a sniper’s rifle with a silencer from the scene of murder.

I remember watching that live......Now it makes sense.
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#Ukraine #USA Putin's demonization is not a policy but an alibi for the absence of one - #Kissinger The American Empires declines and falls
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#Ukraine #USA Putin's demonization is not a policy but an alibi for the absence of one - #Kissinger The American Empires declines and falls
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Did Kissinger really say that? Far out if true. I would love to see a link to the actual quote.
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It's tiring to come to the thread for updates on UKRAINE only to see people fighting over the nuances of World War II.
 Quoting: The Årtist


Well, roots of many of current events are buried there. And even deeper - in 17th century for example. I'm just to lazy to write big post about all history of the question.


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door You really shouldn't show Zhyrinovsky to West.
He's usually right, but the words he chooses... Let's say that his jokes are several times more potentially offensive that that of Rogozin.

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#Ukraine #USA Putin's demonization is not a policy but an alibi for the absence of one - #Kissinger The American Empires declines and falls
 Quoting: steelseries


Did Kissinger really say that? Far out if true. I would love to see a link to the actual quote.
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he may have said it on CNN recently..

im about to post something else he said, which is also intriguing
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Putin is not planned so aggravate the situation in Ukraine - Kissinger

According to former U.S. secretary of state, Putin's actions - a reaction to the fact that the situation in Ukraine at some point "out of control"

On Sunday, the TV channel CNN, former U.S. Secretary of State Henry Kissinger said that Vladimir Putin, apparently not previously planned operation in Ukraine.

"You have to ask yourself the question: he spent $ 60 billion on the Olympics. There were opening and closing ceremonies. He tried to portray Russia as a normal, progressive state. Therefore impossible that after some three days he deliberately launched an offensive in Ukraine" - said the former secretary of state.

He also stressed that the actions of the Russian leader was most likely a response to a situation out of control.

"I think that at times he had a desire to subordinate Ukraine. And at all times, all known Russian, with whom I have ever met, including dissidents such as Solzhenitsyn and Brodsky considers Ukraine part of Russian history and culture. But I do not think that this time he planned so all aggravate. I think he had in mind a more gradual development of the situation, and it was, like, a reaction to what he considered an emergency. course, explaining why he did so, it is impossible to justify the annexation of the territory of another country or an invasion of another country. But I think we need to first solve the problem of Ukraine, and then discuss the relationship with Russia, "- said Kissinger.

Recall, on the eve of a scientist, a politician, an adviser to the U.S. President for National Security Affairs, Zbigniew Brzezinski said that Russia is changing, and the U.S. must understand this

[link to 112.ua]
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#Ukraine #USA Putin's demonization is not a policy but an alibi for the absence of one - #Kissinger The American Empires declines and falls
 Quoting: steelseries


Did Kissinger really say that? Far out if true. I would love to see a link to the actual quote.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 57577261


Sorry, I should have given a proper quote: here is an article he wrote in which he says it:

[link to www.washingtonpost.com]
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Putin is not planned so aggravate the situation in Ukraine - Kissinger

According to former U.S. secretary of state, Putin's actions - a reaction to the fact that the situation in Ukraine at some point "out of control"

On Sunday, the TV channel CNN, former U.S. Secretary of State Henry Kissinger said that Vladimir Putin, apparently not previously planned operation in Ukraine.

"You have to ask yourself the question: he spent $ 60 billion on the Olympics. There were opening and closing ceremonies. He tried to portray Russia as a normal, progressive state. Therefore impossible that after some three days he deliberately launched an offensive in Ukraine" - said the former secretary of state.

He also stressed that the actions of the Russian leader was most likely a response to a situation out of control.

"I think that at times he had a desire to subordinate Ukraine. And at all times, all known Russian, with whom I have ever met, including dissidents such as Solzhenitsyn and Brodsky considers Ukraine part of Russian history and culture. But I do not think that this time he planned so all aggravate. I think he had in mind a more gradual development of the situation, and it was, like, a reaction to what he considered an emergency. course, explaining why he did so, it is impossible to justify the annexation of the territory of another country or an invasion of another country. But I think we need to first solve the problem of Ukraine, and then discuss the relationship with Russia, "- said Kissinger.

Recall, on the eve of a scientist, a politician, an adviser to the U.S. President for National Security Affairs, Zbigniew Brzezinski said that Russia is changing, and the U.S. must understand this

[link to 112.ua]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 48056401


wait isn't Kissinger CFR? If so he is actively creating the US policies...
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Yes, he is, and I am not a fan, but he does speak a little truth now and then.
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so there will be a big YES pile. what happens next?
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Well, that is the point of a rigged plebesite, isn't it? To give a bigger power a 'legitimate' reason to take over a smaller opponent. Make it LEGAL, you know.

Now, I don't know if this vote is rigged, but I'm not fan of such democratic nonsense to start with, so my initial assessment would be that it's a complete ruse, not unlike almost every US election for anything. Just a rubber stamp of approval on a long predetermined outcome.
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#Ukraine #USA Putin's demonization is not a policy but an alibi for the absence of one - #Kissinger The American Empires declines and falls
 Quoting: steelseries


Did Kissinger really say that? Far out if true. I would love to see a link to the actual quote.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 57577261


Sorry, I should have given a proper quote: here is an article he wrote in which he says it:

[link to www.washingtonpost.com]
 Quoting: steelseries


Thanks. Published March 5. A lot has gone wrong since then. It really shows the decline in the quality of western leadership. It matters more than people realize.
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