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Anonymous Coward User ID: 8082046 United States 06/22/2014 12:31 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 Understanding the Russian, American and Iraq paradigm. Putin's desperation and paranoia are increasing daily. His country's nationalistic fever is breaking and turning against him. He is being increasingly criticized domestically for his static position regarding Ukraine. Putin's greatest ambition is to remain in power. He's got to bring up his domestive approval and fast. The best and quickest way for Putin to recapture his 85% approval rating is if he invades continental Ukraine. If his military invades the Eastern Ukraine oblasts, especially with Russia's colours in full view, he returns to demi-god status. Problem is an invasion would draw global condemnation. It would cripple his already weak and weakening economy. Not only b/c of sectoral sanctions, but also chase away any foreign investment that has not already fled. Russia's sovereign banks, central bank, already have severe cash flow problems, further invasion would be cataclysmic for said banks. The never ending domestic military call-ups, activations and exercises are all designed to give the appearance, domestically, Putin is on the attack, that he has the initiative. Btw, when Putin found out Poroshenko was already in the Donbass, his staff issued a press release saying Putin would be giving a speech in the Donbass also. The press release's claim is absolutely ridiculous. Who would he be addressing in the Donbass? He has no troops there. Might he be addressing the separatists? No, he has officially stated Russia is not supporting or equipping the separatists. In fact he joined Poroshenko saying a cease fire must happen. If Putin is seen or heard in the Donbass, that shows the world he, Putin, is interested in conquering not deescalation. That laughable press release shows Putin to be reactionary and scattered. Russia's blustering is nothing without a focal point, a common, made-to-order enemy, which is not Ukraine, it is the United States. Why you ask? The United States is a quick, easy, convenient enemy target that Russians know, understand and all agree on. Putin has shown by his actions that his personal, true enemy is Ukraine. Slavs killing Slavs is a will doom Putin, ultimately. Too many Ukrainians and Russians have blood ties or very close ties anyway. Enter the USA. Without enemy America, Slavs killing Slavs will kill his domestic popularity. The Putin angle in the Iraq situation is obvious and unsurprising. First, Putin is taking full advantage of the dumbest and weakest American president, in foreign relations, of all time. Russia is already tight with Iran, imagine if they were able to take control of Iraq. This would completely destroy the balance of power in the MidEast. The Sunni majority would go Ape shit. They are already on the verge of cracking over Russia helping Iran to get Nukes. Move Russia right next door to Iran and Sunni's would all agree Iran will be nuke capable very quickly. Whether or not that belief is true is immaterial, nations in the MidEast act on preponderances. Putin, again at home, would be able to declare another 'victory' over the weakling president, revitalising Russia's waning nationalism. Putin has sought the end of the American dollar for at least a decade. He understands well that if he can fracture OPEC, or god forbid, 'flip' an OPEC country into dumping the dollar, his dollar destruction dream would be closer to realization than ever before. Putin is insane though. He does not realize that if he were able to cripple the dollar or effectively make it untenable, Chinese reserves of 1.5 trillion of Treasury notes would be obliterated. Now I ask, does Putin think the Chinese would allow that to happen, or even endorse it? No fucking way. Do not think that Chinese silence on Putin's policies relating to Ukraine are latent approval - it is most certainly not. China loves a weakened and weakening Russia. |
Wayfaring Stranger User ID: 55034495 Canada 06/22/2014 12:36 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 Understanding the Russian, American and Iraq paradigm. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8082046 Putin's desperation and paranoia are increasing daily. His country's nationalistic fever is breaking and turning against him. He is being increasingly criticized domestically for his static position regarding Ukraine. Putin's greatest ambition is to remain in power. He's got to bring up his domestive approval and fast. The best and quickest way for Putin to recapture his 85% approval rating is if he invades continental Ukraine. You need some new sources. [link to www.rferl.org] According to a survey published last week by the Levada Center, a staggering 83 percent of Russians approve Putin's performance as president. It is an 18 percentage-point hike since the beginning of the year and just short of his 88 percent record, reached in September 2008, the month after Russia's war against Georgia over the pro-Moscow breakaway region of South Ossetia. Now I ask, does Putin think the Chinese would allow that to happen, or even endorse it? No fucking way. Do not think that Chinese silence on Putin's policies relating to Ukraine are latent approval - it is most certainly not. China loves a weakened and weakening Russia. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8082046 China is signing lots of deals with Russia, nothing new for the US now or on the horizon. The $3B port is for Crimea rather than anyplace in the US. Last Edited by Wayfaring Stranger on 06/22/2014 12:39 PM |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 57728098 United States 06/22/2014 12:38 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 Ukraine symbolizes final agonizing stage of sunset of dying western civilization been held hostage to elite interests since 1776. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 59462122 LOL what a joke! Russia is more hostage to elite interests than any country on the planet .... and it is that regime that is dying its final, agonizing, violent, angry, hateful death. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 29041272 Canada 06/22/2014 12:44 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 Ukraine symbolizes final agonizing stage of sunset of dying western civilization been held hostage to elite interests since 1776. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 59462122 LOL what a joke! Russia is more hostage to elite interests than any country on the planet .... and it is that regime that is dying its final, agonizing, violent, angry, hateful death. Both countries are equally tied to the nipple. Do not kid yourself fool. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 8082046 United States 06/22/2014 12:54 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 ... Quoting: Wayfaring Stranger Also, one has to take into account of the possibility that many of Putin's current difficulties rest in the hands of situations created around him. When you have two countries jockeying for dominance in specific areas, namely energy exports, both sides are bound to strike at each other. Those strikes provoke a response and that response can be used against the responder in the geopolitical arena. Suggesting Putin bamboozled himself into bad decision after bad decision is absurd. Putin had help. The United States has interests, it's its job to protect and expand those interests for the benefit of its citizens or country or government or businesses or economy, all of it or some of it. And by furthering the aims of what the United States deems as important to itself could very well have pushed Putin into making tough decisions that you're calling bad decisions. It's like if you had two children in the backseat of your car and you get hit by a snowplow and the car catches fire. As the fire rages you realize you can only save one of your children and not even yourself. Pick quick, time is running out.. You create situations like these so a leader, Putin, has to make bad decisions in rapid succession, if possible. The US has legitimate interests, so does Russia. They don't coincide. What's best for one individual isn't always best for another, same goes here. The US does what it needs to do and it's pushed Putin into a corner. Now, let's say someone took away everything from you. What if someone pushed you into a corner? How would you respond? Would you fight fairly? I can tell you I would not. If someone came into my house and was attacking my family I could only last so long before I'd risk everything to burn that person to the ground. Do not underestimate Putin going Keyser Söze. Much of this is true, I have no problem conceding several of your points. However, I don't understand how Putin was pushed into his decision to invade Crimea? Putin destabilised the entire European continent when he invaded Crimea. As bad as the Maidan ordeal was, it was localised within Ukraine. The Crimean invasion turned the region on it's ear. Do you not consider that Russia's Only warm water naval port, one that had been Russian for 300 years, was of vital interest to Russia and Putin? It's access to the Black Sea and the Mediterranean was jeopardized. The base had been given to Ukraine and then leased from Ukraine and when Ukraine was overthrown by US maneuvering, it was obvious that Russia was going to lose the base to the US/EU. This doesn't seem hard to understand why Russia wouldn't hesitate to keep it. No. Absolutely not true. No danger, explicit or implicit evidence existed showing showing Russia was in danger of losing it's base in Crimea, especially with a newly signed lease agreement. |
blubberbutt User ID: 49246002 United States 06/22/2014 12:55 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 Gregor Peter ‏@L0gg0l · 3m Looks like some NATO (U.S) troops called into the disturbances in Mitrovica, Kosovo [link to pic.twitter.com] (via @jackoozell) Can't silly protests interfere with drug dealing operations. Marijuana mecca has fallen this week: [link to www.dailymail.co.uk] Yes, what a waste to try and eradicate a plant. I understand there is a desire to eliminate criminal elements, but in Colorado, crime is down with weed legalization. Legalization kills the criminal elements profit and they actually get out of the business or go legit. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 8082046 United States 06/22/2014 01:02 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 Retweeted by lennutrajektoor Quoting: Zombie Daddy in a Box Ukrainian Updates ‏@Ukroblogger · 22m [link to pic.twitter.com] After worldwide anti-#Russia protests, #Ukrainian church in #Sydney vandalized ('Burn in hell!' in Ukr). #Ukraine OOOPS! Russian referendum, Russians being abused by not being allowed to to completely destroy the Ukrainian church. Bye-bye Aussies. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 55493132 United States 06/22/2014 01:05 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 lennutrajektoor ‏@lennutrajektoor · 2m Dear West wake up! It isn't normal to bring into full combat alert big troop transporters! It's called war.STOP #RUS! [link to pbs.twimg.com (secure)] [link to pbs.twimg.com (secure)] I think he is Correct with his statement I think Russia has Gone to War Footing and will soon Cry Havoc and release the Dogs of WAR. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 8082046 United States 06/22/2014 01:06 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 ConflictReporter ‏@MiddleEast_BRK · 1m Quoting: Zombie Daddy in a Box #BreakingNews #Latvia started deployment of SA-8 #Gecko systems against the backdrop of Russian troop movements. [link to www.youtube.com (secure)] … Putler's ego-maniacal delusions. If he cannot do to Ukraine whatever he wishes then all will suffer. Putins gone completely fucking mad. |
Babay User ID: 58936522 Serbia 06/22/2014 01:07 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 ... Quoting: The Årtist Much of this is true, I have no problem conceding several of your points. However, I don't understand how Putin was pushed into his decision to invade Crimea? Putin destabilised the entire European continent when he invaded Crimea. As bad as the Maidan ordeal was, it was localised within Ukraine. The Crimean invasion turned the region on it's ear. Do you not consider that Russia's Only warm water naval port, one that had been Russian for 300 years, was of vital interest to Russia and Putin? It's access to the Black Sea and the Mediterranean was jeopardized. The base had been given to Ukraine and then leased from Ukraine and when Ukraine was overthrown by US maneuvering, it was obvious that Russia was going to lose the base to the US/EU. This doesn't seem hard to understand why Russia wouldn't hesitate to keep it. No. Absolutely not true. No danger, explicit or implicit evidence existed showing showing Russia was in danger of losing it's base in Crimea, especially with a newly signed lease agreement. Because if anything, the illegal, coup-installed kiev regime, has the utmost respect for the rule of law Babay |
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PIR User ID: 54058774 United States 06/22/2014 01:10 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 The chess pieces are being set. The opponent will not be surprised at what is coming but will be powerless to prevent it. A multi front assault will begin in the next several days and the long anticipated buffer zone between Russia and the west will be reestablished. From there it is yet to be determined whether or not further conquests will be saught. Quoting: Doom Master Pray for peace, prepare for chaos. 100% correct. |
FormerlyBritish User ID: 55803746 United States 06/22/2014 01:10 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 No. Absolutely not true. No danger, explicit or implicit evidence existed showing showing Russia was in danger of losing it's base in Crimea, especially with a newly signed lease agreement. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8082046 Like they weren't going to cut off the drinking water supply. Like they are presently doing in Donbas. Like there weren't going to install misiles in Crimea. like they did in Poland. Like promises or contracts entered into by Ukraine or USA are worth the paper they are written on. NOT! |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 8082046 United States 06/22/2014 01:10 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 58487295 exactly. even CNN brought that up like you, it seems obvious to me, and it never ceases to amaze me how people still don't get that very simple point. Without being aware of the situation, it would seem mindless to "invade" Crimea. I'm surprised that CNN has even mentioned that aspect of it as it seems to be MSM desire to keep the logical reason hidden. The fact is, that Russia doesn't need anymore land. What Russia wants, not considering Crimea, is to be surrounded by friendly buffer states. Russia wants more people not more land. There are around 20 million Russians in the countries around Russia, and Russia wants them back. It's entertaining to see two self-appointed geniuses, congratulate another for their victorious claims and assertions when they have built their arguments on false premises and innuendo. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 18947643 United States 06/22/2014 01:14 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 Re: Four confirmed incursion points of Armored Units and Rumor of Paratrooper drops In Eastern Ukraine. Quoting: Zombie Daddy in a Box lennutrajektoor ‏@lennutrajektoor · 2m Dear West wake up! It isn't normal to bring into full combat alert big troop transporters! It's called war.STOP #RUS! [link to pbs.twimg.com (secure)] [link to pbs.twimg.com (secure)] I think he is Correct with his statement I think Russia has Gone to War Footing and will soon Cry Havoc and release the Dogs of WAR. :tomatoin: |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 55493132 United States 06/22/2014 01:15 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 lennutrajektoor ‏@lennutrajektoor · 1m #Snezhny on June 22. Two #ATO APCs were on road. A minivan hooked after them. In #Varvarovska 1 APC hit, burning, bodies around. #Ukraine |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 8082046 United States 06/22/2014 01:15 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 Babay ‏@Truth_Seeker_11 8 min. Quoting: KneelB4Zod! #Nazi rally at Lavra Pechersk church in #Kiev [link to www.youtube.com (secure)] … Slava Ukraini! Nice greetings btw. Nazi scum... Convenient how there are more Nazi's in Kyiv than the whole of Germany '38 - '45 |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 8082046 United States 06/22/2014 01:24 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 @Truth_Seeker_11: #Strelkov: "#Kiev is preparing a blitzkrieg assault on all positions of resistance in #Donbas" [link to twitter.com (secure)] Quoting: Lyonesse You mean Strelkov, his true identity is Igor Girkin of Moscow, he is a Colonel is Russia's GRU. Wonder why he changed his name? Maybe it's related to the same Putin doctrine which forbids his invading army to fly their colours, wear their insignia. |
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