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Allow me to address your post on behalf of the pro-Putin, pro-Moscow dolts.

The image you posted is fake and photo-shopped. Crimean beaches are 100% full, tourism industry is better than ever-just ask Putin. You must be a Kyivian, American Nazi. Why do you hate Russians so much? You were happy and gleeful about the Odessa mass murder, weren't you. Stop trying to derail this thread. Get out you Hitlerite.
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@ChristopherJM: Reports of serious fight now at #Kramatorsk airfield. Journo Artem Shevchenko says ~300 rebels vs ~100 Ukr troops [link to m.facebook.com (secure)]
And it never failed that during the dry years the people forgot about the rich years, and during the wet years they lost all memory of the dry years. It was always that way.

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Crimea beach yesterday

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This beach is normally packed with people this time of year.
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Allow me to address your post on behalf of the pro-Putin, pro-Moscow dolts.

The image you posted is fake and photo-shopped. Crimean beaches are 100% full, tourism industry is better than ever-just ask Putin. You must be a Kyivian, American Nazi. Why do you hate Russians so much? You were happy and gleeful about the Odessa mass murder, weren't you. Stop trying to derail this thread. Get out you Hitlerite.
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@KyivPost: Russian leader's press secretary says it is time to hope for prolonged ceasefire in Ukraine [link to www.kyivpost.com]

Because, look how well that has been working so far.
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@MarQs__: Reports say BM-21 "Grad" are moving towards #Kramatorsk airfield to help pro-#Russia|ns. Reporter says they need urgent air support there!
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Where is that spanish peanut? I kind of started missing him wakeup
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^^ THIS :D
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Where is that spanish peanut? I kind of started missing him wakeup
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Stop evoking demons, let them sleep!epiclol

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Again, you do not get it.
It is not \"at Russia\'s gates\", it is in the sovereign state of Ukraine, Russia has no business in the internal affairs of Ukraine, simply because it\'s neighbouring Russia.

How do you think any country in the world would react if their minorities, who don\'t even have any claim to the land they live on (Most of them were imported there during the Soviet relocation programs), would start becoming separatists?
And especially if these \"separatists\" goal is to annexed by another country?

No country in the world would tolerate this. If the Russians living in Ukraine want to be part of Russia, then they can simply relocate themselves there.

Not to even mention how hypocritical it is by Russia, considering Chechnya.
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Oh come on! Historically the Ukraine\'s been Russian/Polish stuff. Deal with it. There is no such thing as Ukrainian nation. Eastern Ukraine\'s been Russian for centuries. And the fact CIA-sponsored thugs started their rampage there was simply dangerous for Russia. It is gate to Russia: historically, geographically, ethnically

How would I react? Strangely enough the legal president, Mr. Yanukovich did not need to react as there was no issue. Once Maidan hooligans started their rampage, the state de facto ceased to exist. I know it may seem an innovation for you, but the continuity of legal government is not secured by a band of thugs on streets.

And those thugs\' favorites proclaimed their selves to be new government. Elections? No one cares because it is a revolution (yay!).
And if you do it, you have to take into account some people/regions will simply consider themselves dismissed from such state. In case of the Ukraine there was a huge risk of it (aforementioned ethnic and historical division accompanied by no true national identity).

Now will tell you what the west would do/does:

Kosovo.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 59626756


I am not trying to defend the western governments in anything. When will you get it, FFS.

Also, Poroshenko was elected...

And there is no such thing as Ukrainian nation? Ukraine is OLDER than Russia, and Ukrainians are ethnically more pure than Russians. Russians are mixed with Slavs, Finno-ugrics, Tatars, Mongoloids, Caucasians, etc... Kievan Rus\' is the parent culture of Russia. Pure Eastern-Slavs descend from the area which is mostly modern day Ukraine.
Russia is considered a Slavonic nation at its core, however HISTORICALLY Slavs do not have any claim to most of modern day Russia, historically it belongs to Finno-ugric, Mongoloid, Tatar, and other Central Asian tribes.

So you could say that Ukraine is actually the father of Russia, And Russia is Ukraine\'s bastard child.
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You are talking bullshit. 1) In what sense is Ukraine older than Russia? Please elaborate. 2) What makes you think that Ukrainians are ethnically more \"pure\"? What is the definition of purity? Yes there are some Finno-Ugric tribes that contributed to Russian genes pool, so did Tatars to a lesser extent, and hardly at all Mongoloids or Caucasians (from Caucasus, if you mean that). But Ukrainians mixed with Tatars, Kipchaks, Circassians, Jews, Poles, and after that most notably with Russians, perhaps to the extent that makes them indistinguishable from Russians. 3)HISTORICALLY, long before the Central Asian tribes, the territory of the Ukraine belonged to Scythians and Sarmatians, and even earlier - to Cimmerians, and some time ago the entire Europe belonged to Neanderthal hominids, and in the Jurassic period dinasaurs occupied the entire planet. Do you see my point?
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1) In the sense that Kiev region is where Eastern-Slavs originate from as far as its known.

2) I mean the ethnic composition of Ukraine is certainly purer than Russia, and they are more pure Slavs than Russians because they don't have so much Finno-Ugric and other influence in their gene pool. Even so, they are far from the purity of Poles or Czechs, etc.

3) And I wen't down the history lane as a retort to the last guy, personally I think history does not matter in modern day geopolitics. But since it is often brought up here that "Eastern Ukraine is historically Russian land blah blah blah", then I just point out that historically there is no such thing as Russian land.
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Oh come on! Historically the Ukraine\'s been Russian/Polish stuff. Deal with it. There is no such thing as Ukrainian nation. Eastern Ukraine\'s been Russian for centuries. And the fact CIA-sponsored thugs started their rampage there was simply dangerous for Russia. It is gate to Russia: historically, geographically, ethnically

How would I react? Strangely enough the legal president, Mr. Yanukovich did not need to react as there was no issue. Once Maidan hooligans started their rampage, the state de facto ceased to exist. I know it may seem an innovation for you, but the continuity of legal government is not secured by a band of thugs on streets.

And those thugs\' favorites proclaimed their selves to be new government. Elections? No one cares because it is a revolution (yay!).
And if you do it, you have to take into account some people/regions will simply consider themselves dismissed from such state. In case of the Ukraine there was a huge risk of it (aforementioned ethnic and historical division accompanied by no true national identity).

Now will tell you what the west would do/does:

Kosovo.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 59626756


I am not trying to defend the western governments in anything. When will you get it, FFS.

Also, Poroshenko was elected...

And there is no such thing as Ukrainian nation? Ukraine is OLDER than Russia, and Ukrainians are ethnically more pure than Russians. Russians are mixed with Slavs, Finno-ugrics, Tatars, Mongoloids, Caucasians, etc... Kievan Rus\' is the parent culture of Russia. Pure Eastern-Slavs descend from the area which is mostly modern day Ukraine.
Russia is considered a Slavonic nation at its core, however HISTORICALLY Slavs do not have any claim to most of modern day Russia, historically it belongs to Finno-ugric, Mongoloid, Tatar, and other Central Asian tribes.

So you could say that Ukraine is actually the father of Russia, And Russia is Ukraine\'s bastard child.
 Quoting: Skizzy


You are talking bullshit. 1) In what sense is Ukraine older than Russia? Please elaborate. 2) What makes you think that Ukrainians are ethnically more \"pure\"? What is the definition of purity? Yes there are some Finno-Ugric tribes that contributed to Russian genes pool, so did Tatars to a lesser extent, and hardly at all Mongoloids or Caucasians (from Caucasus, if you mean that). But Ukrainians mixed with Tatars, Kipchaks, Circassians, Jews, Poles, and after that most notably with Russians, perhaps to the extent that makes them indistinguishable from Russians. 3)HISTORICALLY, long before the Central Asian tribes, the territory of the Ukraine belonged to Scythians and Sarmatians, and even earlier - to Cimmerians, and some time ago the entire Europe belonged to Neanderthal hominids, and in the Jurassic period dinasaurs occupied the entire planet. Do you see my point?
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1) In the sense that Kiev region is where Eastern-Slavs originate from as far as its known.

2) I mean the ethnic composition of Ukraine is certainly purer than Russia, and they are more pure Slavs than Russians because they don't have so much Finno-Ugric and other influence in their gene pool. Even so, they are far from the purity of Poles or Czechs, etc.

3) And I wen't down the history lane as a retort to the last guy, personally I think history does not matter in modern day geopolitics. But since it is often brought up here that "Eastern Ukraine is historically Russian land blah blah blah", then I just point out that historically there is no such thing as Russian land.
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Skizzy is back. More enthusiasm. More training. lol
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Where is that spanish peanut? I kind of started missing him wakeup
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^^ THIS :D
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Stop evoking demons, let them sleep!

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Why does your flag switch between Czech and Denmark? Are you using a proxy IP for your Russian shilling?
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Skizzy. Anybody can be Russian. Read Dostoevsky, has polish origin, but he is Russian writer. Russian is special state of mind and spirit. it is not nation. That is source of misconception. Russia is last spiritual homeland of true orthodoxy.
That will answer all your questions. Pushkin was half black so what greatest Russian poet.
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Skizzy. Anybody can be Russian. Read Dostoevsky, has polish origin, but he is Russian writer. Russian is special state of mind and spirit. it is not nation. That is source of misconception. Russia is last spiritual homeland of true orthodoxy.
That will answer all your questions. Pushkin was half black so what greatest Russian poet.
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Half black? He had a black great-grandfather. That makes him only 12.5% black.
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Skizzy. Anybody can be Russian. Read Dostoevsky, has polish origin, but he is Russian writer. Russian is special state of mind and spirit. it is not nation. That is source of misconception. Russia is last spiritual homeland of true orthodoxy.
That will answer all your questions. Pushkin was half black so what greatest Russian poet.
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Half black? He had a black great-grandfather. That makes him only 12.5% black.
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Ok you got my point.
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Where is that spanish peanut? I kind of started missing him wakeup
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^^ THIS :D
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Stop evoking demons, let them sleep!

popepopepopepope
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Why does your flag switch between Czech and Denmark? Are you using a proxy IP for your Russian shilling?
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Has been explained already. When I write from my office my flag is switched to Denmark because our servers, web services etc. are situated there. Physically is my office in Czech Republic, a few hundred meters from my home.

And now, deluded Kievista, stop derailing.

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Oh come on! Historically the Ukraine\'s been Russian/Polish stuff. Deal with it. There is no such thing as Ukrainian nation. Eastern Ukraine\'s been Russian for centuries. And the fact CIA-sponsored thugs started their rampage there was simply dangerous for Russia. It is gate to Russia: historically, geographically, ethnically

How would I react? Strangely enough the legal president, Mr. Yanukovich did not need to react as there was no issue. Once Maidan hooligans started their rampage, the state de facto ceased to exist. I know it may seem an innovation for you, but the continuity of legal government is not secured by a band of thugs on streets.

And those thugs\' favorites proclaimed their selves to be new government. Elections? No one cares because it is a revolution (yay!).
And if you do it, you have to take into account some people/regions will simply consider themselves dismissed from such state. In case of the Ukraine there was a huge risk of it (aforementioned ethnic and historical division accompanied by no true national identity).

Now will tell you what the west would do/does:

Kosovo.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 59626756


I am not trying to defend the western governments in anything. When will you get it, FFS.

Also, Poroshenko was elected...

And there is no such thing as Ukrainian nation? Ukraine is OLDER than Russia, and Ukrainians are ethnically more pure than Russians. Russians are mixed with Slavs, Finno-ugrics, Tatars, Mongoloids, Caucasians, etc... Kievan Rus\' is the parent culture of Russia. Pure Eastern-Slavs descend from the area which is mostly modern day Ukraine.
Russia is considered a Slavonic nation at its core, however HISTORICALLY Slavs do not have any claim to most of modern day Russia, historically it belongs to Finno-ugric, Mongoloid, Tatar, and other Central Asian tribes.

So you could say that Ukraine is actually the father of Russia, And Russia is Ukraine\'s bastard child.
 Quoting: Skizzy


You are talking bullshit. 1) In what sense is Ukraine older than Russia? Please elaborate. 2) What makes you think that Ukrainians are ethnically more \"pure\"? What is the definition of purity? Yes there are some Finno-Ugric tribes that contributed to Russian genes pool, so did Tatars to a lesser extent, and hardly at all Mongoloids or Caucasians (from Caucasus, if you mean that). But Ukrainians mixed with Tatars, Kipchaks, Circassians, Jews, Poles, and after that most notably with Russians, perhaps to the extent that makes them indistinguishable from Russians. 3)HISTORICALLY, long before the Central Asian tribes, the territory of the Ukraine belonged to Scythians and Sarmatians, and even earlier - to Cimmerians, and some time ago the entire Europe belonged to Neanderthal hominids, and in the Jurassic period dinasaurs occupied the entire planet. Do you see my point?
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1) In the sense that Kiev region is where Eastern-Slavs originate from as far as its known.

2) I mean the ethnic composition of Ukraine is certainly purer than Russia, and they are more pure Slavs than Russians because they don't have so much Finno-Ugric and other influence in their gene pool. Even so, they are far from the purity of Poles or Czechs, etc.

3) And I wen't down the history lane as a retort to the last guy, personally I think history does not matter in modern day geopolitics. But since it is often brought up here that "Eastern Ukraine is historically Russian land blah blah blah", then I just point out that historically there is no such thing as Russian land.
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Skizzy just learn what modern geopolitic means. Learn the history if thats ok with you out of sources that are opposed to became more immune to propaganda bs...

In the end after a while, you will see this emerging: There are no anybodies land or whatever. What drives this world is the battle to preserve the control over the working population you managed to put under and battle to keep your interests(profit,money in legal or illegal form) running and impose them on those who still are out of reach. Sadly, we the people are just numbers.

Well, now put the arsenal of working nuclear weapon systems in this equation and you will see the possible outcomes of the equation solution!

Do you start to see the big picture now?
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I am not trying to defend the western governments in anything. When will you get it, FFS.

Also, Poroshenko was elected...

And there is no such thing as Ukrainian nation? Ukraine is OLDER than Russia, and Ukrainians are ethnically more pure than Russians. Russians are mixed with Slavs, Finno-ugrics, Tatars, Mongoloids, Caucasians, etc... Kievan Rus\' is the parent culture of Russia. Pure Eastern-Slavs descend from the area which is mostly modern day Ukraine.
Russia is considered a Slavonic nation at its core, however HISTORICALLY Slavs do not have any claim to most of modern day Russia, historically it belongs to Finno-ugric, Mongoloid, Tatar, and other Central Asian tribes.

So you could say that Ukraine is actually the father of Russia, And Russia is Ukraine\'s bastard child.
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You are talking bullshit. 1) In what sense is Ukraine older than Russia? Please elaborate. 2) What makes you think that Ukrainians are ethnically more \"pure\"? What is the definition of purity? Yes there are some Finno-Ugric tribes that contributed to Russian genes pool, so did Tatars to a lesser extent, and hardly at all Mongoloids or Caucasians (from Caucasus, if you mean that). But Ukrainians mixed with Tatars, Kipchaks, Circassians, Jews, Poles, and after that most notably with Russians, perhaps to the extent that makes them indistinguishable from Russians. 3)HISTORICALLY, long before the Central Asian tribes, the territory of the Ukraine belonged to Scythians and Sarmatians, and even earlier - to Cimmerians, and some time ago the entire Europe belonged to Neanderthal hominids, and in the Jurassic period dinasaurs occupied the entire planet. Do you see my point?
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1) In the sense that Kiev region is where Eastern-Slavs originate from as far as its known.

2) I mean the ethnic composition of Ukraine is certainly purer than Russia, and they are more pure Slavs than Russians because they don't have so much Finno-Ugric and other influence in their gene pool. Even so, they are far from the purity of Poles or Czechs, etc.

3) And I wen't down the history lane as a retort to the last guy, personally I think history does not matter in modern day geopolitics. But since it is often brought up here that "Eastern Ukraine is historically Russian land blah blah blah", then I just point out that historically there is no such thing as Russian land.
 Quoting: Skizzy


Skizzy just learn what modern geopolitic means. Learn the history if thats ok with you out of sources that are opposed to became more immune to propaganda bs...

In the end after a while, you will see this emerging: There are no anybodies land or whatever. What drives this world is the battle to preserve the control over the working population you managed to put under and battle to keep your interests(profit,money in legal or illegal form) running and impose them on those who still are out of reach. Sadly, we the people are just numbers.

Well, now put the arsenal of working nuclear weapon systems in this equation and you will see the possible outcomes of the equation solution!

Do you start to see the big picture now?
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If we go into more global scale briefly we can say there is war of money against Life. Thats why Truth has to be silenced at any cost.
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I am not trying to defend the western governments in anything. When will you get it, FFS.

Also, Poroshenko was elected...

And there is no such thing as Ukrainian nation? Ukraine is OLDER than Russia, and Ukrainians are ethnically more pure than Russians. Russians are mixed with Slavs, Finno-ugrics, Tatars, Mongoloids, Caucasians, etc... Kievan Rus\' is the parent culture of Russia. Pure Eastern-Slavs descend from the area which is mostly modern day Ukraine.
Russia is considered a Slavonic nation at its core, however HISTORICALLY Slavs do not have any claim to most of modern day Russia, historically it belongs to Finno-ugric, Mongoloid, Tatar, and other Central Asian tribes.

So you could say that Ukraine is actually the father of Russia, And Russia is Ukraine\'s bastard child.
 Quoting: Skizzy


You are talking bullshit. 1) In what sense is Ukraine older than Russia? Please elaborate. 2) What makes you think that Ukrainians are ethnically more \"pure\"? What is the definition of purity? Yes there are some Finno-Ugric tribes that contributed to Russian genes pool, so did Tatars to a lesser extent, and hardly at all Mongoloids or Caucasians (from Caucasus, if you mean that). But Ukrainians mixed with Tatars, Kipchaks, Circassians, Jews, Poles, and after that most notably with Russians, perhaps to the extent that makes them indistinguishable from Russians. 3)HISTORICALLY, long before the Central Asian tribes, the territory of the Ukraine belonged to Scythians and Sarmatians, and even earlier - to Cimmerians, and some time ago the entire Europe belonged to Neanderthal hominids, and in the Jurassic period dinasaurs occupied the entire planet. Do you see my point?
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1) In the sense that Kiev region is where Eastern-Slavs originate from as far as its known.

2) I mean the ethnic composition of Ukraine is certainly purer than Russia, and they are more pure Slavs than Russians because they don't have so much Finno-Ugric and other influence in their gene pool. Even so, they are far from the purity of Poles or Czechs, etc.

3) And I wen't down the history lane as a retort to the last guy, personally I think history does not matter in modern day geopolitics. But since it is often brought up here that "Eastern Ukraine is historically Russian land blah blah blah", then I just point out that historically there is no such thing as Russian land.
 Quoting: Skizzy


Skizzy just learn what modern geopolitic means. Learn the history if thats ok with you out of sources that are opposed to became more immune to propaganda bs...

In the end after a while, you will see this emerging: There are no anybodies land or whatever. What drives this world is the battle to preserve the control over the working population you managed to put under and battle to keep your interests(profit,money in legal or illegal form) running and impose them on those who still are out of reach. Sadly, we the people are just numbers.

Well, now put the arsenal of working nuclear weapon systems in this equation and you will see the possible outcomes of the equation solution!

Do you start to see the big picture now?
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So your point is that "state is god" and the quality of life of citizens is irrelevant?
You would fit into the Soviet Union very well with that mindset.
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Crimea beach yesterday

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Allow me to address your post on behalf of the pro-Putin, pro-Moscow dolts.

The image you posted is fake and photo-shopped. Crimean beaches are 100% full, tourism industry is better than ever-just ask Putin. You must be a Kyivian, American Nazi. Why do you hate Russians so much? You were happy and gleeful about the Odessa mass murder, weren't you. Stop trying to derail this thread. Get out you Hitlerite.
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I agree with what you are suggesting re: Crimea. Tourism has suffered from a Putin cataclysm in Crimea. The banks are in equally bad shape.
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You are talking bullshit. 1) In what sense is Ukraine older than Russia? Please elaborate. 2) What makes you think that Ukrainians are ethnically more \"pure\"? What is the definition of purity? Yes there are some Finno-Ugric tribes that contributed to Russian genes pool, so did Tatars to a lesser extent, and hardly at all Mongoloids or Caucasians (from Caucasus, if you mean that). But Ukrainians mixed with Tatars, Kipchaks, Circassians, Jews, Poles, and after that most notably with Russians, perhaps to the extent that makes them indistinguishable from Russians. 3)HISTORICALLY, long before the Central Asian tribes, the territory of the Ukraine belonged to Scythians and Sarmatians, and even earlier - to Cimmerians, and some time ago the entire Europe belonged to Neanderthal hominids, and in the Jurassic period dinasaurs occupied the entire planet. Do you see my point?
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1) In the sense that Kiev region is where Eastern-Slavs originate from as far as its known.

2) I mean the ethnic composition of Ukraine is certainly purer than Russia, and they are more pure Slavs than Russians because they don't have so much Finno-Ugric and other influence in their gene pool. Even so, they are far from the purity of Poles or Czechs, etc.

3) And I wen't down the history lane as a retort to the last guy, personally I think history does not matter in modern day geopolitics. But since it is often brought up here that "Eastern Ukraine is historically Russian land blah blah blah", then I just point out that historically there is no such thing as Russian land.
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Skizzy just learn what modern geopolitic means. Learn the history if thats ok with you out of sources that are opposed to became more immune to propaganda bs...

In the end after a while, you will see this emerging: There are no anybodies land or whatever. What drives this world is the battle to preserve the control over the working population you managed to put under and battle to keep your interests(profit,money in legal or illegal form) running and impose them on those who still are out of reach. Sadly, we the people are just numbers.

Well, now put the arsenal of working nuclear weapon systems in this equation and you will see the possible outcomes of the equation solution!

Do you start to see the big picture now?
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So your point is that "state is god" and the quality of life of citizens is irrelevant?
You would fit into the Soviet Union very well with that mindset.
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No, Skizzy. State dos not give a shit about you. West or east does not matter. What matters is just your idea that you are doing something of importance. There, in that point the state has captured you and your future.

Soviet Union is dead. Stop trying to resurrect it!
The western neo-liberal capitalism is still alive and battles furiously to stay on top. In that battle we see our future taking shape that lacks our individual control.
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Skizzy have you ever been in Pskov? Yes it is not far from Estonia. And pure Russians not mixed up with mongoloids and turks are living there. Their blood is pure Russian indeed.
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1) In the sense that Kiev region is where Eastern-Slavs originate from as far as its known.

2) I mean the ethnic composition of Ukraine is certainly purer than Russia, and they are more pure Slavs than Russians because they don't have so much Finno-Ugric and other influence in their gene pool. Even so, they are far from the purity of Poles or Czechs, etc.

3) And I wen't down the history lane as a retort to the last guy, personally I think history does not matter in modern day geopolitics. But since it is often brought up here that "Eastern Ukraine is historically Russian land blah blah blah", then I just point out that historically there is no such thing as Russian land.
 Quoting: Skizzy


Skizzy just learn what modern geopolitic means. Learn the history if thats ok with you out of sources that are opposed to became more immune to propaganda bs...

In the end after a while, you will see this emerging: There are no anybodies land or whatever. What drives this world is the battle to preserve the control over the working population you managed to put under and battle to keep your interests(profit,money in legal or illegal form) running and impose them on those who still are out of reach. Sadly, we the people are just numbers.

Well, now put the arsenal of working nuclear weapon systems in this equation and you will see the possible outcomes of the equation solution!

Do you start to see the big picture now?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 53277355


So your point is that "state is god" and the quality of life of citizens is irrelevant?
You would fit into the Soviet Union very well with that mindset.
 Quoting: Skizzy


No, Skizzy. State dos not give a shit about you. West or east does not matter. What matters is just your idea that you are doing something of importance. There, in that point the state has captured you and your future.

Soviet Union is dead. Stop trying to resurrect it!
The western neo-liberal capitalism is still alive and battles furiously to stay on top. In that battle we see our future taking shape that lacks our individual control.
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You should tell this to the so called Separatists instead of me.
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Where is that spanish peanut? I kind of started missing him wakeup
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^^ THIS :D
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Stop evoking demons, let them sleep!

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Why does your flag switch between Czech and Denmark? Are you using a proxy IP for your Russian shilling?
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Gonna tell you something. I wouldn't care that much about this whole mess CIA stirred there... but I simply can't stand the whole goddamn anti-Russian, pro-banderist/bandit propaganda:

- during the Kosovo secession the whole west supported this mafia/islam nest in the outskirts of Europe. Now the same crooks condemn eastern Ukraine separatism.

- Kiev rioters who would be beaten or simply shot (imagine anyone pulling something like this in the Washington DC or even Berlin) in any western European or American city became fighters for democracy

- hardcore psychopathic murderers of OUN-UPA became national heroes and it is western duty to support their offspring

- hardcore crooks like Timoshenko became noble statesmen and get all the support

- cherry on the top, so common in Poland I got sick of it: all people supporting Russian intervention became shills paid by the Russian intel/use proxies etc. ... gimme a goddamn break.
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Skizzy have you ever been in Pskov? Yes it is not far from Estonia. And pure Russians not mixed up with mongoloids and turks are living there. Their blood is pure Russian indeed.
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Northwestern Russia is heavily influenced by Finno-Ugric genes. In fact Pskov region is historically Estonian land.
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Despite Western hysteria, Russia was never planning to invade Ukraine - expert

Russia has never intended to invade Ukraine, stresses Robert Oulds, Director of the Bruges Group, an independent all-party think tank. Instead, there was always a lot of hysteria on the part of the West regarding the alleged military buildup on the border between the two countries.

The whole thing was misrepresented by NATO.
What Russia was and is still trying to do, the expert underlined in an exclusive interview with Radio VR, is to reach out and encourage peace talks. But the West is failing to listen and the authorities in Kiev are pushing their own agenda.

more@ [link to voiceofrussia.com]
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Communism or more accurately, socialism, is not a movement of the downtrodden masses, but of the economic elite."

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Skizzy just learn what modern geopolitic means. Learn the history if thats ok with you out of sources that are opposed to became more immune to propaganda bs...

In the end after a while, you will see this emerging: There are no anybodies land or whatever. What drives this world is the battle to preserve the control over the working population you managed to put under and battle to keep your interests(profit,money in legal or illegal form) running and impose them on those who still are out of reach. Sadly, we the people are just numbers.

Well, now put the arsenal of working nuclear weapon systems in this equation and you will see the possible outcomes of the equation solution!

Do you start to see the big picture now?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 53277355


So your point is that "state is god" and the quality of life of citizens is irrelevant?
You would fit into the Soviet Union very well with that mindset.
 Quoting: Skizzy


No, Skizzy. State dos not give a shit about you. West or east does not matter. What matters is just your idea that you are doing something of importance. There, in that point the state has captured you and your future.

Soviet Union is dead. Stop trying to resurrect it!
The western neo-liberal capitalism is still alive and battles furiously to stay on top. In that battle we see our future taking shape that lacks our individual control.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 53277355


You should tell this to the so called Separatists instead of me.
 Quoting: Skizzy


Leave them alone. It is not ur business. And second of all they have right do not accept fraudulent new puupet power of kiev and they are doing holy thing protecting their land from nazi scum aggressors. Why dont u get it. If there are some lenin-scum monuments there it does not mean that they r all comunists or they want to resurrect soviet union. Thats bs i have to tell u. Nothing can be more stupid than that.
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Skizzy have you ever been in Pskov? Yes it is not far from Estonia. And pure Russians not mixed up with mongoloids and turks are living there. Their blood is pure Russian indeed.
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Northwestern Russia is heavily influenced by Finno-Ugric genes. In fact Pskov region is historically Estonian land.
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Great but they are orthodox. They have holy Lavra there. Lets call them orthodox estonians, but they r still Russians hah hah hah. R u happy now?
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Skizzy just learn what modern geopolitic means. Learn the history if thats ok with you out of sources that are opposed to became more immune to propaganda bs...

In the end after a while, you will see this emerging: There are no anybodies land or whatever. What drives this world is the battle to preserve the control over the working population you managed to put under and battle to keep your interests(profit,money in legal or illegal form) running and impose them on those who still are out of reach. Sadly, we the people are just numbers.

Well, now put the arsenal of working nuclear weapon systems in this equation and you will see the possible outcomes of the equation solution!

Do you start to see the big picture now?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 53277355


So your point is that "state is god" and the quality of life of citizens is irrelevant?
You would fit into the Soviet Union very well with that mindset.
 Quoting: Skizzy


No, Skizzy. State dos not give a shit about you. West or east does not matter. What matters is just your idea that you are doing something of importance. There, in that point the state has captured you and your future.

Soviet Union is dead. Stop trying to resurrect it!
The western neo-liberal capitalism is still alive and battles furiously to stay on top. In that battle we see our future taking shape that lacks our individual control.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 53277355


You should tell this to the so called Separatists instead of me.
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The so called separatists took action against others deciding instead of them. And that takes courage!
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So your point is that "state is god" and the quality of life of citizens is irrelevant?
You would fit into the Soviet Union very well with that mindset.
 Quoting: Skizzy


No, Skizzy. State dos not give a shit about you. West or east does not matter. What matters is just your idea that you are doing something of importance. There, in that point the state has captured you and your future.

Soviet Union is dead. Stop trying to resurrect it!
The western neo-liberal capitalism is still alive and battles furiously to stay on top. In that battle we see our future taking shape that lacks our individual control.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 53277355


You should tell this to the so called Separatists instead of me.
 Quoting: Skizzy

The so called separatists took action against others deciding instead of them. And that takes courage!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 53277355


The so called separatists want to be annexed by Russia, if you were not aware of that already.

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