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UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387

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CCTV: Mini tsunami nearly swallows beach near Odessa, Ukraine
 Quoting: RTS REDUX

eq
 Quoting: KneelB4Zod!


This is very strange. SOMETHING caused this, and it was not nature. No earthquakes in the area at all. I looked. It did not come from something under the terrain, that would show on seismic monitors. Nothing there. It happened IN the water, out at sea.
Something very powerful manmade happened in the Black Sea. Tsunamis require large amounts of energy.
maybe a sub blew up? American, or Russian?
or a test of a weapon underwater?
Something powerful caused this.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 55224783

Yes, it was not a tsunami.
A tsunami is extremely long wavelength. Basically, in a tsunami, the water comes in and it stays in for a minute or more.
So it more or less has to be a man-made event. Perhaps a submarine hit a mine.
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haarp can easily do that. some bastards were having fun scaring people. first u create a little eartquake by microwave resonance from ionosphere to black see bottom and then it releases energy into the wave.
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"Scientists in Odessa unable to explain for tidal wave that rushed ashore"
[link to en.itar-tass.com]

It has to be some kind of weapon test!


Because all good scientists left Ukraine long time ago lol
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CCTV: Mini tsunami nearly swallows beach near Odessa, Ukraine
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eq
 Quoting: KneelB4Zod!


This is very strange. SOMETHING caused this, and it was not nature. No earthquakes in the area at all. I looked. It did not come from something under the terrain, that would show on seismic monitors. Nothing there. It happened IN the water, out at sea.
Something very powerful manmade happened in the Black Sea. Tsunamis require large amounts of energy.
maybe a sub blew up? American, or Russian?
or a test of a weapon underwater?
Something powerful caused this.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 55224783

Yes, it was not a tsunami.
A tsunami is extremely long wavelength. Basically, in a tsunami, the water comes in and it stays in for a minute or more.
So it more or less has to be a man-made event. Perhaps a submarine hit a mine.
 Quoting: FormerlyBritish


I disagree with most of your posts, but I agree with you on this.

I have some education and understanding on this...

Some have tried to explain this online as being caused by convergance of wave sets, also called resonance. This can and does happen to cause small localized tsunamis on beaches and 'rogue waves' at sea that are known to hit ships at times, and comes from the additive effects of wave action from two or more different sets of waves converging on an area.

That cannot be the case here though. Black Sea waters were very calm with only very small waves, literally baby waves of a few centimeters. Thus there was no energy from that to coverge or resonate from natural sea waveform action.

That fact, plus the fact of no earthquake activity whasoever, leads me to believe this was man made.

There is some very tiny possibility that an extraterrestrial event caused this, such as some form of energy from space hitting the surface of the Black Sea, but this is highly remote and extraordinarily rare.

Thus my conclusion something manmade in the waters of the Black Sea caused this.
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Time for a Russian truth update. Strelkov? No, his real name is Igor Girkin of Moscow. He is a Colonel in the GRU.

Now I ask, if the liberation of Donetsk and Luhansk was truly about Ukrainian born people seceding from Kyiv, exercising their right to self-determination, being an 'organic' revolution then why is a GRU colonel in charge of the Luhansk and Donetsk self-defense forces?

The answer is simple. Putin doesn't give a damn about the Ukrainian people in those oblasts. Putin wants a land bridge to her only fresh water access port. He wants Ukraine's fertile lands in the East. He wants all the factories that are critical to the Russian military, b/c they produce advanced military equipment, arms, ordinance ... etc. Finally, he wants to be able to control ALL of the gas/oil pipeline network in Ukraine, or at least as much as he can.
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Yes, what you say is true in many respects. However, the USA and EU started this with their maidan square support and after all they did spend five billion for a reason. Putin is doing exactly what I would do if I were in charge of Russia. He is defending his strategic interests when forced to do so by the USA and EU trying to install their own puppet regime in the Ukraine. Russia is never going to let Ukraine be aligned too closel with the west, just as they will never allow the same of Finland. Anything you say or what any western politician days is not going to change these strategic realities for Russia. They will use Finland and Ukraine as a buffer and now they are going to carve off the best parts of Ukraine. Absolutely and get away with it I suspect. But it really comes back to the idiot american state department and their lack of foresight about Russian reactions. And I think the USA grossly over estimated the ability of Europe to sanction and isolate Russia. I think they never thought through the strategic realities of the current EU and Russia economic dependence.

The community organizer is advised by a gang of homosexuals and menopausal Jewish women. And their advisory is a bunch of KGB guys. I mean please people, get a clue about the realities here. It is not what the western media and political class would have you believe.

So yes, Putin will carve up Ukraine. Becasue Obamas ineptitude allows him and indeed compels him to do so.
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eq
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This is very strange. SOMETHING caused this, and it was not nature. No earthquakes in the area at all. I looked. It did not come from something under the terrain, that would show on seismic monitors. Nothing there. It happened IN the water, out at sea.
Something very powerful manmade happened in the Black Sea. Tsunamis require large amounts of energy.
maybe a sub blew up? American, or Russian?
or a test of a weapon underwater?
Something powerful caused this.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 55224783

Yes, it was not a tsunami.
A tsunami is extremely long wavelength. Basically, in a tsunami, the water comes in and it stays in for a minute or more.
So it more or less has to be a man-made event. Perhaps a submarine hit a mine.
 Quoting: FormerlyBritish


I disagree with most of your posts, but I agree with you on this.

I have some education and understanding on this...

Some have tried to explain this online as being caused by convergance of wave sets, also called resonance. This can and does happen to cause small localized tsunamis on beaches and 'rogue waves' at sea that are known to hit ships at times, and comes from the additive effects of wave action from two or more different sets of waves converging on an area.

That cannot be the case here though. Black Sea waters were very calm with only very small waves, literally baby waves of a few centimeters. Thus there was no energy from that to coverge or resonate from natural sea waveform action.

That fact, plus the fact of no earthquake activity whasoever, leads me to believe this was man made.

There is some very tiny possibility that an extraterrestrial event caused this, such as some form of energy from space hitting the surface of the Black Sea, but this is highly remote and extraordinarily rare.

Thus my conclusion something manmade in the waters of the Black Sea caused this.
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ET dont do such shit. hahahah
What they can do: they can hijack radiosystems, stop from nuclear launching, etc. things on much bigger scale.
Read more on [link to www.disclosureproject.org]
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RTS, Putin appreciates your support.

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hIndsIght2020, King Barack the first appreciates your fawning adoration

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Time for a Russian truth update. Strelkov? No, his real name is Igor Girkin of Moscow. He is a Colonel in the GRU.

Now I ask, if the liberation of Donetsk and Luhansk was truly about Ukrainian born people seceding from Kyiv, exercising their right to self-determination, being an 'organic' revolution then why is a GRU colonel in charge of the Luhansk and Donetsk self-defense forces?

The answer is simple. Putin doesn't give a damn about the Ukrainian people in those oblasts. Putin wants a land bridge to her only fresh water access port. He wants Ukraine's fertile lands in the East. He wants all the factories that are critical to the Russian military, b/c they produce advanced military equipment, arms, ordinance ... etc. Finally, he wants to be able to control ALL of the gas/oil pipeline network in Ukraine, or at least as much as he can.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 59676597


Yes, what you say is true in many respects. However, the USA and EU started this with their maidan square support and after all they did spend five billion for a reason. Putin is doing exactly what I would do if I were in charge of Russia. He is defending his strategic interests when forced to do so by the USA and EU trying to install their own puppet regime in the Ukraine. Russia is never going to let Ukraine be aligned too closel with the west, just as they will never allow the same of Finland. Anything you say or what any western politician days is not going to change these strategic realities for Russia. They will use Finland and Ukraine as a buffer and now they are going to carve off the best parts of Ukraine. Absolutely and get away with it I suspect. But it really comes back to the idiot american state department and their lack of foresight about Russian reactions. And I think the USA grossly over estimated the ability of Europe to sanction and isolate Russia. I think they never thought through the strategic realities of the current EU and Russia economic dependence.

The community organizer is advised by a gang of homosexuals and menopausal Jewish women. And their advisory is a bunch of KGB guys. I mean please people, get a clue about the realities here. It is not what the western media and political class would have you believe.

So yes, Putin will carve up Ukraine. Becasue Obamas ineptitude allows him and indeed compels him to do so.
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Time for a Russian truth update. Strelkov? No, his real name is Igor Girkin of Moscow. He is a Colonel in the GRU.

Now I ask, if the liberation of Donetsk and Luhansk was truly about Ukrainian born people seceding from Kyiv, exercising their right to self-determination, being an 'organic' revolution then why is a GRU colonel in charge of the Luhansk and Donetsk self-defense forces?

The answer is simple. Putin doesn't give a damn about the Ukrainian people in those oblasts. Putin wants a land bridge to her only fresh water access port. He wants Ukraine's fertile lands in the East. He wants all the factories that are critical to the Russian military, b/c they produce advanced military equipment, arms, ordinance ... etc. Finally, he wants to be able to control ALL of the gas/oil pipeline network in Ukraine, or at least as much as he can.
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clappa
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Yes, best post ever. Wish I could give a kiss.

This is what I was saying earlier. All that Putin and his control media is doing now is imply false pretext for war of aggression to steal territory and resources. He cares not about the lives of those he has to kill and maim to get it.

I cannot sleep. The anxiety kills me. I hope this stops soon with a miracle.

Russian people, please realize what you are doing. It is not good for any of us in the great scheme long term.
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For all those frothing over the mini tsunami near Odessa.

If you google Black sea Tsunami's they are not really a rare event there.

There was one identical to this just last year.

[link to www.youtube.com (secure)] ( this one was posted on youtube last year - And plenty more just like it )

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Time for a Russian truth update. Strelkov? No, his real name is Igor Girkin of Moscow. He is a Colonel in the GRU.

Now I ask, if the liberation of Donetsk and Luhansk was truly about Ukrainian born people seceding from Kyiv, exercising their right to self-determination, being an 'organic' revolution then why is a GRU colonel in charge of the Luhansk and Donetsk self-defense forces?

The answer is simple. Putin doesn't give a damn about the Ukrainian people in those oblasts. Putin wants a land bridge to her only fresh water access port. He wants Ukraine's fertile lands in the East. He wants all the factories that are critical to the Russian military, b/c they produce advanced military equipment, arms, ordinance ... etc. Finally, he wants to be able to control ALL of the gas/oil pipeline network in Ukraine, or at least as much as he can.
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clappa
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Yes, best post ever. Wish I could give a kiss.

This is what I was saying earlier. All that Putin and his control media is doing now is imply false pretext for war of aggression to steal territory and resources. He cares not about the lives of those he has to kill and maim to get it.

I cannot sleep. The anxiety kills me. I hope this stops soon with a miracle.

Russian people, please realize what you are doing. It is not good for any of us in the great scheme long term.
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hf
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Western people, please do not tease Russian bear, let him have good sleep. When he is mad it is very bad.
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This is very strange. SOMETHING caused this, and it was not nature. No earthquakes in the area at all. I looked. It did not come from something under the terrain, that would show on seismic monitors. Nothing there. It happened IN the water, out at sea.
Something very powerful manmade happened in the Black Sea. Tsunamis require large amounts of energy.
maybe a sub blew up? American, or Russian?
or a test of a weapon underwater?
Something powerful caused this.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 55224783

Yes, it was not a tsunami.
A tsunami is extremely long wavelength. Basically, in a tsunami, the water comes in and it stays in for a minute or more.
So it more or less has to be a man-made event. Perhaps a submarine hit a mine.
 Quoting: FormerlyBritish


I disagree with most of your posts, but I agree with you on this.

I have some education and understanding on this...

Some have tried to explain this online as being caused by convergance of wave sets, also called resonance. This can and does happen to cause small localized tsunamis on beaches and 'rogue waves' at sea that are known to hit ships at times, and comes from the additive effects of wave action from two or more different sets of waves converging on an area.

That cannot be the case here though. Black Sea waters were very calm with only very small waves, literally baby waves of a few centimeters. Thus there was no energy from that to coverge or resonate from natural sea waveform action.

That fact, plus the fact of no earthquake activity whasoever, leads me to believe this was man made.

There is some very tiny possibility that an extraterrestrial event caused this, such as some form of energy from space hitting the surface of the Black Sea, but this is highly remote and extraordinarily rare.

Thus my conclusion something manmade in the waters of the Black Sea caused this.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 55223495


ET dont do such shit. hahahah
What they can do: they can hijack radiosystems, stop from nuclear launching, etc. things on much bigger scale.
Read more on [link to www.disclosureproject.org]
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Having consulted with a colleague on this, there are two primary possibilites for this...

1) less likely - The Russians (or someone) was blowing something up for technical reasons, such as a rock formation for pipeline or something for oil/gas industry. However, this would most likely have caused a seismic reading - if it was on the sea floor and since it was powerful enough to cause this level of energy at distance at the seashore.

2) Most likely - someone was testing an underwater weapon in the midst of the water, possibly a powerful anti-sub or anti-ship weapon, and would most likely be the Russians at this time given the location.
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Yes, it was not a tsunami.
A tsunami is extremely long wavelength. Basically, in a tsunami, the water comes in and it stays in for a minute or more.
So it more or less has to be a man-made event. Perhaps a submarine hit a mine.
 Quoting: FormerlyBritish


I disagree with most of your posts, but I agree with you on this.

I have some education and understanding on this...

Some have tried to explain this online as being caused by convergance of wave sets, also called resonance. This can and does happen to cause small localized tsunamis on beaches and 'rogue waves' at sea that are known to hit ships at times, and comes from the additive effects of wave action from two or more different sets of waves converging on an area.

That cannot be the case here though. Black Sea waters were very calm with only very small waves, literally baby waves of a few centimeters. Thus there was no energy from that to coverge or resonate from natural sea waveform action.

That fact, plus the fact of no earthquake activity whasoever, leads me to believe this was man made.

There is some very tiny possibility that an extraterrestrial event caused this, such as some form of energy from space hitting the surface of the Black Sea, but this is highly remote and extraordinarily rare.

Thus my conclusion something manmade in the waters of the Black Sea caused this.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 55223495


ET dont do such shit. hahahah
What they can do: they can hijack radiosystems, stop from nuclear launching, etc. things on much bigger scale.
Read more on [link to www.disclosureproject.org]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 59462122


Having consulted with a colleague on this, there are two primary possibilites for this...

1) less likely - The Russians (or someone) was blowing something up for technical reasons, such as a rock formation for pipeline or something for oil/gas industry. However, this would most likely have caused a seismic reading - if it was on the sea floor and since it was powerful enough to cause this level of energy at distance at the seashore.

2) Most likely - someone was testing an underwater weapon in the midst of the water, possibly a powerful anti-sub or anti-ship weapon, and would most likely be the Russians at this time given the location.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 55223495


agree with 2 point. it is not necessary has to be underwater weapon. directed microwave radiation can create in any point between ionosphere and seafloor a resonance. If it was a submarine, I doubt it can create tsunami, since to have a tsunami, it has to be shallow earthquake.
Hard to guess who did us or ru, since both have that kind of weapons, after Nicola Tesla sold his ideas everywhere to create a balance of forces to have piece, as a retaliatory measure against fu..ing greedy bankers who destroyed his career.
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CCTV: Mini tsunami nearly swallows beach near Odessa, Ukraine
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Russia would have their subs in the Sea of Azov making sure that new harbor is secure. Outside of there would be viewed as NATO hunting grounds. The West has been known to turn off it's detectors at the weirdest of times.

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I do not doubt the Americans would try and put a submarine in the Black Sea. I sure hope the Russians did not blow up and American sub.
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if that's so, then why all the indiscriminate bombing of innocent civilians?

Why not just send in swat teams to deal with the situation?
 Quoting: RTS REDUX

We have already discussed this multiple times.

It is the responsibility of every army, including insurgents, to separate themselves from the civilian population. Ordinarily, this means that military bases should be outside urban areas.

If an army believes that genuine military necessity requires occupation of a city, that army is responsible for safely evacuating civilians from the area. If that army refuses or neglects to do so, it is accountable for the civilian lives lost. In other words, the army occupying the civilian city is the mass murderer. Using civilians as hostages ("human shields") is a serious international war crime.

"Swat teams" are not designed to deal with tanks. Artillery, bombers, cruise missiles, and predator drones are.

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if that's so, then why all the indiscriminate bombing of innocent civilians?

Why not just send in swat teams to deal with the situation?
 Quoting: RTS REDUX

We have already discussed this multiple times.

It is the responsibility of every army, including insurgents, to separate themselves from the civilian population. Ordinarily, this means that military bases should be outside urban areas.

If an army believes that genuine military necessity requires occupation of a city, that army is responsible for safely evacuating civilians from the area. If that army refuses or neglects to do so, it is accountable for the civilian lives lost. In other words, the army occupying the civilian city is the mass murderer. Using civilians as hostages ("human shields") is a serious international war crime.

"Swat teams" are not designed to deal with tanks. Artillery, bombers, cruise missiles, and predator drones are.
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let suppose u r right. Then why ukr nat guard does not allow any civilians leave a blockaded Slavyansk. Many would like to leave places shelled on everyday basis. Answer that.
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Continuing the 'ceasefire' is stupid!

More Ukrainians are dying during this 'ceasefire' than before!

The terrorists are just using it to attack our military, and to bring even more terrorists and weapons across the border!

Horribly bad idea!
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There is a very simple solution. Tell all your troops to go back to kiev or W Ukraine and stop killing E Ukrainians.
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if that's so, then why all the indiscriminate bombing of innocent civilians?

Why not just send in swat teams to deal with the situation?
 Quoting: RTS REDUX

We have already discussed this multiple times.

It is the responsibility of every army, including insurgents, to separate themselves from the civilian population. Ordinarily, this means that military bases should be outside urban areas.

If an army believes that genuine military necessity requires occupation of a city, that army is responsible for safely evacuating civilians from the area. If that army refuses or neglects to do so, it is accountable for the civilian lives lost. In other words, the army occupying the civilian city is the mass murderer. Using civilians as hostages ("human shields") is a serious international war crime.

"Swat teams" are not designed to deal with tanks. Artillery, bombers, cruise missiles, and predator drones are.
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let suppose u r right. Then why ukr nat guard does not allow any civilians leave a blockaded Slavyansk. Many would like to leave places shelled on everyday basis. Answer that.
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Confession of captured NatSkunks from batallion Aidar
where they confess their participation in Maidan, attack on Schastye, loss of batallion with ukr military men, terror of population, etc.

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Why do you tards make it all about Putin?

The Obama administration was caught red handed planning the Coup d'état.

So shouldn't we be focusing on Obama's motives??
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Not on this issue. I prefer to focus on the invaders. Nothing happens in Crimea or Donetsk or Luhansk without Putins approval. That is why I focus on Putin.
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Why do you think he even cares?

Ukraine is a separate country from Russia and the gooberment is doing a bang up job of killing the residents of their own country.

Let me repeat that.

The nazi's in Kiev are killing their own people, and destroying their own infrastructure
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Let me repeat, no one was dying in Donetsk and Luhansk until the pro-Moscow, face masked, heavily armed terrorists seizeing buildings and took hostages.
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They didn't see that they were getting a very good deal with the usurpers in Kiev which was very much anti Russian. They had just as much right to take over the local govt as the Kiev usurpers did. People started dying when the Kiev genocidal military moved in to force the E Ukrainians to either do what they were told to do, or they were going to die.
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Not on this issue. I prefer to focus on the invaders. Nothing happens in Crimea or Donetsk or Luhansk without Putins approval. That is why I focus on Putin.
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Why do you think he even cares?

Ukraine is a separate country from Russia and the gooberment is doing a bang up job of killing the residents of their own country.

Let me repeat that.

The nazi's in Kiev are killing their own people, and destroying their own infrastructure
 Quoting: RTS REDUX

Let me repeat, no one was dying in Donetsk and Luhansk until the pro-Moscow, face masked, heavily armed terrorists seizeing buildings and took hostages.
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if that's so, then why all the indiscriminate bombing of innocent civilians?

Why not just send in swat teams to deal with the situation?
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The whole Ukraine army is nothing but Death Squads. They just want to kill the ethnic Russians.
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Time for a Russian truth update. Strelkov? No, his real name is Igor Girkin of Moscow. He is a Colonel in the GRU.

Now I ask, if the liberation of Donetsk and Luhansk was truly about Ukrainian born people seceding from Kyiv, exercising their right to self-determination, being an 'organic' revolution then why is a GRU colonel in charge of the Luhansk and Donetsk self-defense forces?

The answer is simple. Putin doesn't give a damn about the Ukrainian people in those oblasts. Putin wants a land bridge to her only fresh water access port. He wants Ukraine's fertile lands in the East. He wants all the factories that are critical to the Russian military, b/c they produce advanced military equipment, arms, ordinance ... etc. Finally, he wants to be able to control ALL of the gas/oil pipeline network in Ukraine, or at least as much as he can.
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Yes, what you say is true in many respects. However, the USA and EU started this with their maidan square support and after all they did spend five billion for a reason. Putin is doing exactly what I would do if I were in charge of Russia. He is defending his strategic interests when forced to do so by the USA and EU trying to install their own puppet regime in the Ukraine. Russia is never going to let Ukraine be aligned too closel with the west, just as they will never allow the same of Finland. Anything you say or what any western politician days is not going to change these strategic realities for Russia. They will use Finland and Ukraine as a buffer and now they are going to carve off the best parts of Ukraine. Absolutely and get away with it I suspect. But it really comes back to the idiot american state department and their lack of foresight about Russian reactions. And I think the USA grossly over estimated the ability of Europe to sanction and isolate Russia. I think they never thought through the strategic realities of the current EU and Russia economic dependence.

The community organizer is advised by a gang of homosexuals and menopausal Jewish women. And their advisory is a bunch of KGB guys. I mean please people, get a clue about the realities here. It is not what the western media and political class would have you believe.

So yes, Putin will carve up Ukraine. Becasue Obamas ineptitude allows him and indeed compels him to do so.
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Since Kennedy's death, American government has been infested by Satanists and traitors. It's fucking revolting watching the Indonesian and his cronies gut the military, destroy long-time American allies and completely ruin the monetary system, while stealing trillions. Still, I can't support Putin, gotta fight for my corner. But we agree in principle on most everything.
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clappa
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Yes, best post ever. Wish I could give a kiss.

This is what I was saying earlier. All that Putin and his control media is doing now is imply false pretext for war of aggression to steal territory and resources. He cares not about the lives of those he has to kill and maim to get it.

I cannot sleep. The anxiety kills me. I hope this stops soon with a miracle.

Russian people, please realize what you are doing. It is not good for any of us in the great scheme long term.
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hf
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Western people, please do not tease Russian bear, let him have good sleep. When he is mad it is very bad.
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C'mon, gotta have a little fun, right?:)
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Yes, it was not a tsunami.
A tsunami is extremely long wavelength. Basically, in a tsunami, the water comes in and it stays in for a minute or more.
So it more or less has to be a man-made event. Perhaps a submarine hit a mine.
 Quoting: FormerlyBritish


I disagree with most of your posts, but I agree with you on this.

I have some education and understanding on this...

Some have tried to explain this online as being caused by convergance of wave sets, also called resonance. This can and does happen to cause small localized tsunamis on beaches and 'rogue waves' at sea that are known to hit ships at times, and comes from the additive effects of wave action from two or more different sets of waves converging on an area.

That cannot be the case here though. Black Sea waters were very calm with only very small waves, literally baby waves of a few centimeters. Thus there was no energy from that to coverge or resonate from natural sea waveform action.

That fact, plus the fact of no earthquake activity whasoever, leads me to believe this was man made.

There is some very tiny possibility that an extraterrestrial event caused this, such as some form of energy from space hitting the surface of the Black Sea, but this is highly remote and extraordinarily rare.

Thus my conclusion something manmade in the waters of the Black Sea caused this.
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ET dont do such shit. hahahah
What they can do: they can hijack radiosystems, stop from nuclear launching, etc. things on much bigger scale.
Read more on [link to www.disclosureproject.org]
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Having consulted with a colleague on this, there are two primary possibilites for this...

1) less likely - The Russians (or someone) was blowing something up for technical reasons, such as a rock formation for pipeline or something for oil/gas industry. However, this would most likely have caused a seismic reading - if it was on the sea floor and since it was powerful enough to cause this level of energy at distance at the seashore.

2) Most likely - someone was testing an underwater weapon in the midst of the water, possibly a powerful anti-sub or anti-ship weapon, and would most likely be the Russians at this time given the location.
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hesright
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New official stamp of Ukraine. It says Porky in power
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No offense.
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New official stamp of Ukraine. It says Porky in power
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No offense.
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Ok, that was pretty fucking funny.
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if that's so, then why all the indiscriminate bombing of innocent civilians?

Why not just send in swat teams to deal with the situation?
 Quoting: RTS REDUX

We have already discussed this multiple times.

It is the responsibility of every army, including insurgents, to separate themselves from the civilian population. Ordinarily, this means that military bases should be outside urban areas.

If an army believes that genuine military necessity requires occupation of a city, that army is responsible for safely evacuating civilians from the area. If that army refuses or neglects to do so, it is accountable for the civilian lives lost. In other words, the army occupying the civilian city is the mass murderer. Using civilians as hostages ("human shields") is a serious international war crime.

"Swat teams" are not designed to deal with tanks. Artillery, bombers, cruise missiles, and predator drones are.
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Are you serious? This has been going on for months.. About two weeks ago NATO had a fit because the separatists were seen with three tanks that they captured.

in the months leading up to that they certainly weren't as well armed.

:1230 Tyrone:
 Quoting: RTS REDUX


and in regard to your first 'point'

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Let me repeat, no one was dying in Donetsk and Luhansk until the pro-Moscow, face masked, heavily armed terrorists seizeing buildings and took hostages.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 59676597


if that's so, then why all the indiscriminate bombing of innocent civilians?

Why not just send in swat teams to deal with the situation?
 Quoting: RTS REDUX

Be cause the separatists have entrenched themselves within the innocent civilian population, in hospitals, schools, businesses etc. That has now changed because the pro-Moscow lot have received massive Russian military and human support.
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that is nothing but a bs excuse.

Kiev re-instituted the draft and gave foot-soldiers in the Army a nearly 5000% raise in pay.

Are you trying to tell me they don't have the means to take on the separatists face to face, and have to resort to shelling the city from the hilltops?

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Having consulted with a colleague on this, there are two primary possibilites for this...

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When NATO was playing with mines off the coast of Korea a ship of theirs got broke in half before sinking. Maybe they aren't having any better luck with the borrowed Israeli sub.
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New official stamp of Ukraine. It says Porky in power
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No offense.
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Ok, that was pretty fucking funny.
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At least it is the front end, not like Russia's.
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Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387
Time for a Russian truth update. Strelkov? No, his real name is Igor Girkin of Moscow. He is a Colonel in the GRU.

Now I ask, if the liberation of Donetsk and Luhansk was truly about Ukrainian born people seceding from Kyiv, exercising their right to self-determination, being an 'organic' revolution then why is a GRU colonel in charge of the Luhansk and Donetsk self-defense forces?

The answer is simple. Putin doesn't give a damn about the Ukrainian people in those oblasts. Putin wants a land bridge to her only fresh water access port. He wants Ukraine's fertile lands in the East. He wants all the factories that are critical to the Russian military, b/c they produce advanced military equipment, arms, ordinance ... etc. Finally, he wants to be able to control ALL of the gas/oil pipeline network in Ukraine, or at least as much as he can.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 59676597


Congrat you can be diplomat
btw i support all of you statment can add one more end ex extracion of shale gas in donetsk region.
except those that Putin dont give a damm now it look that putin chose lesser painfull way to grab east ukr land my think is that real war will take much more casualty in military and civils.
remember iraq revolution in 1991 a contrary situation us can easly take out Saddam in that time and take Iraq without fight but they dont give a damm shit so they were slaughtered.


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