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UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387

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Continuing the 'ceasefire' is stupid!

More Ukrainians are dying during this 'ceasefire' than before!

The terrorists are just using it to attack our military, and to bring even more terrorists and weapons across the border!

Horribly bad idea!
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The DEAL is You announce ceasfire in meantime we can quite peacfuly move in and take what we want so none will declare a war nor rus no ukr side
and after all You Poroshenko will stay on top with your goverment and we mayby help you in gas case.

seems legit ?
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He is a Russian in Ukraine.
 Quoting: Chippey


Correct! He is not for fighting for his land or family.

Girkin/Strelkov fights for the Kremlin in a war of aggression and terrorism against our sovereign nation! -->



Ukrainian Rebel Commander Identified As Russian GRU Military Intelligence Colonel
Key figure in covert Russian subversion campaign in eastern Ukraine
[link to freebeacon.com]



The leader of terrorists in Slavyansk, Russian special forces commander/terrorist Igor Strelkov, also murdered civilians in Chechnya
[link to www.jamestown.org]



Chechen Analytic Usam Baisayev: "It seems Strelkov in Donbass is the Same Who Kidnapped and Tortured in Vedeno (Chechnya)"
[link to chechencenter.info]



TSN has found Strelov's home in Moscow and talked to the neighbors
[link to www.youtube.com (secure)]





I look forward to this terrorist being captured and tried for his crimes against us!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 55223495


Are u nazi scum?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 59462122


No. I am Ukrainian living in Poland and certainly not Nazi. I am anti-fascist actually. I have never met a Nazi also. I was to Ukraine and was on the maidan one Sunday all day with family and friends and there were no Nazis/fascists there either! They are catully anti-fascists just like me. That nazi/fascists things is BS Russian propaganda to pretext war on Ukraine to steal territory/resources.
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So lest take a litlle chat about bandera Your nation HERO
You in ?
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Time for a Russian truth update. Strelkov? No, his real name is Igor Girkin of Moscow. He is a Colonel in the GRU.

Now I ask, if the liberation of Donetsk and Luhansk was truly about Ukrainian born people seceding from Kyiv, exercising their right to self-determination, being an 'organic' revolution then why is a GRU colonel in charge of the Luhansk and Donetsk self-defense forces?

The answer is simple. Putin doesn't give a damn about the Ukrainian people in those oblasts. Putin wants a land bridge to her only fresh water access port. He wants Ukraine's fertile lands in the East. He wants all the factories that are critical to the Russian military, b/c they produce advanced military equipment, arms, ordinance ... etc. Finally, he wants to be able to control ALL of the gas/oil pipeline network in Ukraine, or at least as much as he can.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 59676597


Congrat you can be diplomat
btw i support all of you statment can add one more end ex extracion of shale gas in donetsk region.
except those that Putin dont give a damm now it look that putin chose lesser painfull way to grab east ukr land my think is that real war will take much more casualty in military and civils.
remember iraq revolution in 1991 a contrary situation us can easly take out Saddam in that time and take Iraq without fight but they dont give a damm shit so they were slaughtered.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 59713840

Yes, he could have included the Shale deposits. Also, Kyiv was robbed of it's legally held territorial claim to gas and oil deposits in the Black Sea. I doubt Putin will allow Poroshenko to develop and extract that massive wealth. Were Poroshenko smart, he'd sue Russia over the claim and use that money to pay off Gazprom debt. In fact those gas and oil deposits in the Black Sea that Putin illegally seized probably have a greater value than the entire Ukraine debt to Gazprom. It may the case Russia owes money to Ukraine.
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Time for a Russian truth update. Strelkov? No, his real name is Igor Girkin of Moscow. He is a Colonel in the GRU.

Now I ask, if the liberation of Donetsk and Luhansk was truly about Ukrainian born people seceding from Kyiv, exercising their right to self-determination, being an 'organic' revolution then why is a GRU colonel in charge of the Luhansk and Donetsk self-defense forces?

The answer is simple. Putin doesn't give a damn about the Ukrainian people in those oblasts. Putin wants a land bridge to her only fresh water access port. He wants Ukraine's fertile lands in the East. He wants all the factories that are critical to the Russian military, b/c they produce advanced military equipment, arms, ordinance ... etc. Finally, he wants to be able to control ALL of the gas/oil pipeline network in Ukraine, or at least as much as he can.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 59676597


Congrat you can be diplomat
btw i support all of you statment can add one more end ex extracion of shale gas in donetsk region.
except those that Putin dont give a damm now it look that putin chose lesser painfull way to grab east ukr land my think is that real war will take much more casualty in military and civils.
remember iraq revolution in 1991 a contrary situation us can easly take out Saddam in that time and take Iraq without fight but they dont give a damm shit so they were slaughtered.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 59713840

Yes, he could have included the Shale deposits. Also, Kyiv was robbed of it's legally held territorial claim to gas and oil deposits in the Black Sea. I doubt Putin will allow Poroshenko to develop and extract that massive wealth. Were Poroshenko smart, he'd sue Russia over the claim and use that money to pay off Gazprom debt. In fact those gas and oil deposits in the Black Sea that Putin illegally seized probably have a greater value than the entire Ukraine debt to Gazprom. It may the case Russia owes money to Ukraine.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 59713305


So lest raise another curtain
what is include in EU-UKR agrement that poro sing in ?
mayby this truce anounce and leting rusians geting what they want are price for ukr oligarhs to pay IF they want after this "war" still making money on EU - UKR trade
Ukr will be alowed to send good to EU without excise or other border fees do not know much about this.
Payment on UKR are realy low so if some industrial plants from EU will move to ukr it will be win win situation after all ofc not for regular labor from eu region.
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I disagree with most of your posts, but I agree with you on this.

I have some education and understanding on this...

Some have tried to explain this online as being caused by convergance of wave sets, also called resonance. This can and does happen to cause small localized tsunamis on beaches and 'rogue waves' at sea that are known to hit ships at times, and comes from the additive effects of wave action from two or more different sets of waves converging on an area.

That cannot be the case here though. Black Sea waters were very calm with only very small waves, literally baby waves of a few centimeters. Thus there was no energy from that to coverge or resonate from natural sea waveform action.

That fact, plus the fact of no earthquake activity whasoever, leads me to believe this was man made.

There is some very tiny possibility that an extraterrestrial event caused this, such as some form of energy from space hitting the surface of the Black Sea, but this is highly remote and extraordinarily rare.

Thus my conclusion something manmade in the waters of the Black Sea caused this.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 55223495


ET dont do such shit. hahahah
What they can do: they can hijack radiosystems, stop from nuclear launching, etc. things on much bigger scale.
Read more on [link to www.disclosureproject.org]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 59462122


Having consulted with a colleague on this, there are two primary possibilites for this...

1) less likely - The Russians (or someone) was blowing something up for technical reasons, such as a rock formation for pipeline or something for oil/gas industry. However, this would most likely have caused a seismic reading - if it was on the sea floor and since it was powerful enough to cause this level of energy at distance at the seashore.

2) Most likely - someone was testing an underwater weapon in the midst of the water, possibly a powerful anti-sub or anti-ship weapon, and would most likely be the Russians at this time given the location.
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hesright
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big ole lip kisses to you!
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Time for a Russian truth update. Strelkov? No, his real name is Igor Girkin of Moscow. He is a Colonel in the GRU.

Now I ask, if the liberation of Donetsk and Luhansk was truly about Ukrainian born people seceding from Kyiv, exercising their right to self-determination, being an 'organic' revolution then why is a GRU colonel in charge of the Luhansk and Donetsk self-defense forces?

The answer is simple. Putin doesn't give a damn about the Ukrainian people in those oblasts. Putin wants a land bridge to her only fresh water access port. He wants Ukraine's fertile lands in the East. He wants all the factories that are critical to the Russian military, b/c they produce advanced military equipment, arms, ordinance ... etc. Finally, he wants to be able to control ALL of the gas/oil pipeline network in Ukraine, or at least as much as he can.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 59676597


Congrat you can be diplomat
btw i support all of you statment can add one more end ex extracion of shale gas in donetsk region.
except those that Putin dont give a damm now it look that putin chose lesser painfull way to grab east ukr land my think is that real war will take much more casualty in military and civils.
remember iraq revolution in 1991 a contrary situation us can easly take out Saddam in that time and take Iraq without fight but they dont give a damm shit so they were slaughtered.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 59713840

Yes, he could have included the Shale deposits. Also, Kyiv was robbed of it's legally held territorial claim to gas and oil deposits in the Black Sea. I doubt Putin will allow Poroshenko to develop and extract that massive wealth. Were Poroshenko smart, he'd sue Russia over the claim and use that money to pay off Gazprom debt. In fact those gas and oil deposits in the Black Sea that Putin illegally seized probably have a greater value than the entire Ukraine debt to Gazprom. It may the case Russia owes money to Ukraine.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 59713305


the fact remains that if the Obama administration and NATO had kept their noses out of Ukraine, Crimea would still be part of Ukraine.
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Time for a Russian truth update. Strelkov? No, his real name is Igor Girkin of Moscow. He is a Colonel in the GRU.

Now I ask, if the liberation of Donetsk and Luhansk was truly about Ukrainian born people seceding from Kyiv, exercising their right to self-determination, being an 'organic' revolution then why is a GRU colonel in charge of the Luhansk and Donetsk self-defense forces?

The answer is simple. Putin doesn't give a damn about the Ukrainian people in those oblasts. Putin wants a land bridge to her only fresh water access port. He wants Ukraine's fertile lands in the East. He wants all the factories that are critical to the Russian military, b/c they produce advanced military equipment, arms, ordinance ... etc. Finally, he wants to be able to control ALL of the gas/oil pipeline network in Ukraine, or at least as much as he can.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 59676597


Congrat you can be diplomat
btw i support all of you statment can add one more end ex extracion of shale gas in donetsk region.
except those that Putin dont give a damm now it look that putin chose lesser painfull way to grab east ukr land my think is that real war will take much more casualty in military and civils.
remember iraq revolution in 1991 a contrary situation us can easly take out Saddam in that time and take Iraq without fight but they dont give a damm shit so they were slaughtered.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 59713840

Yes, he could have included the Shale deposits. Also, Kyiv was robbed of it's legally held territorial claim to gas and oil deposits in the Black Sea. I doubt Putin will allow Poroshenko to develop and extract that massive wealth. Were Poroshenko smart, he'd sue Russia over the claim and use that money to pay off Gazprom debt. In fact those gas and oil deposits in the Black Sea that Putin illegally seized probably have a greater value than the entire Ukraine debt to Gazprom. It may the case Russia owes money to Ukraine.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 59713305


the fact remains that if the Obama administration and NATO had kept their noses out of Ukraine, Crimea would still be part of Ukraine.
 Quoting: RTS REDUX


I agree with this on 90% at least until next election time and yanuk lost.
noone of our know what ru or us or tptb plan so 90% only.
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Congrat you can be diplomat
btw i support all of you statment can add one more end ex extracion of shale gas in donetsk region.
except those that Putin dont give a damm now it look that putin chose lesser painfull way to grab east ukr land my think is that real war will take much more casualty in military and civils.
remember iraq revolution in 1991 a contrary situation us can easly take out Saddam in that time and take Iraq without fight but they dont give a damm shit so they were slaughtered.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 59713840

Yes, he could have included the Shale deposits. Also, Kyiv was robbed of it's legally held territorial claim to gas and oil deposits in the Black Sea. I doubt Putin will allow Poroshenko to develop and extract that massive wealth. Were Poroshenko smart, he'd sue Russia over the claim and use that money to pay off Gazprom debt. In fact those gas and oil deposits in the Black Sea that Putin illegally seized probably have a greater value than the entire Ukraine debt to Gazprom. It may the case Russia owes money to Ukraine.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 59713305


the fact remains that if the Obama administration and NATO had kept their noses out of Ukraine, Crimea would still be part of Ukraine.
 Quoting: RTS REDUX


I agree with this on 90% at least until next election time and yanuk lost.
noone of our know what ru or us or tptb plan so 90% only.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 59713840


Ukraine already had antirussian governments with tymoshenko and yuschenko since 2004 and Russia did no such thing. Only when Nazis took power in a violent coup and started threatening and killing Russians did Russia step in.
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Are u nazi scum?
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No. I am Ukrainian living in Poland and certainly not Nazi. I am anti-fascist actually. I have never met a Nazi also. I was to Ukraine and was on the maidan one Sunday all day with family and friends and there were no Nazis/fascists there either! They are catully anti-fascists just like me. That nazi/fascists things is BS Russian propaganda to pretext war on Ukraine to steal territory/resources.
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How about staying there then? Or even better: ask any of crooks called the Ukrainian government to give you an AK an fight those Russian "terrorists" as you call them.
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What's wrong AC 2785? Don't like hearing the truth??
Eat the Reds
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Even assuming that is correct, nonetheless the referendums were held, the people voted for independence, they are being brutally put down to prevent independence, and for those reasons military aggression, even military warfare really is justified.

But the earlier posts were correct, that Ukraine is being looted by the West is not, of itself, justification for aggression. What difference really, it was already being looted by its own people!
 Quoting: FormerlyBritish


That is comparable to if Mexicans immigrated in mass to California, then decided to hold a referendum to if California wants to become a part of Mexico, declare the result of the referendum whatever then want to declare it, and then declare that they are now living in a California People's Republic, soon to be annexed by Mexico.

Who sanctioned this referendum? No official authority, this referendum was a joke and completely invalid.
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The Putin sluts never have an answer to that one...
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cruise

Putin sluts. lol. Classic.
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The Rise of Putin and The Fall of The Russian-Jewish Oligarchs

You must be a Russian-Jewish Oligarch slut. Right?

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Time for a Russian truth update. Strelkov? No, his real name is Igor Girkin of Moscow. He is a Colonel in the GRU.

Now I ask, if the liberation of Donetsk and Luhansk was truly about Ukrainian born people seceding from Kyiv, exercising their right to self-determination, being an 'organic' revolution then why is a GRU colonel in charge of the Luhansk and Donetsk self-defense forces?

The answer is simple. Putin doesn't give a damn about the Ukrainian people in those oblasts. Putin wants a land bridge to her only fresh water access port. He wants Ukraine's fertile lands in the East. He wants all the factories that are critical to the Russian military, b/c they produce advanced military equipment, arms, ordinance ... etc. Finally, he wants to be able to control ALL of the gas/oil pipeline network in Ukraine, or at least as much as he can.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 59676597


Congrat you can be diplomat
btw i support all of you statment can add one more end ex extracion of shale gas in donetsk region.
except those that Putin dont give a damm now it look that putin chose lesser painfull way to grab east ukr land my think is that real war will take much more casualty in military and civils.
remember iraq revolution in 1991 a contrary situation us can easly take out Saddam in that time and take Iraq without fight but they dont give a damm shit so they were slaughtered.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 59713840

Yes, he could have included the Shale deposits. Also, Kyiv was robbed of it's legally held territorial claim to gas and oil deposits in the Black Sea. I doubt Putin will allow Poroshenko to develop and extract that massive wealth. Were Poroshenko smart, he'd sue Russia over the claim and use that money to pay off Gazprom debt. In fact those gas and oil deposits in the Black Sea that Putin illegally seized probably have a greater value than the entire Ukraine debt to Gazprom. It may the case Russia owes money to Ukraine.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 59713305


the fact remains that if the Obama administration and NATO had kept their noses out of Ukraine, Crimea would still be part of Ukraine.
 Quoting: RTS REDUX


hesright
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if that's so, then why all the indiscriminate bombing of innocent civilians?

Why not just send in swat teams to deal with the situation?
 Quoting: RTS REDUX

We have already discussed this multiple times.

It is the responsibility of every army, including insurgents, to separate themselves from the civilian population. Ordinarily, this means that military bases should be outside urban areas.

If an army believes that genuine military necessity requires occupation of a city, that army is responsible for safely evacuating civilians from the area. If that army refuses or neglects to do so, it is accountable for the civilian lives lost. In other words, the army occupying the civilian city is the mass murderer. Using civilians as hostages ("human shields") is a serious international war crime.

"Swat teams" are not designed to deal with tanks. Artillery, bombers, cruise missiles, and predator drones are.
 Quoting: Skeptic the First


let suppose u r right. Then why ukr nat guard does not allow any civilians leave a blockaded Slavyansk. Many would like to leave places shelled on everyday basis. Answer that.
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Time for a Russian truth update. Strelkov? No, his real name is Igor Girkin of Moscow. He is a Colonel in the GRU.

Now I ask, if the liberation of Donetsk and Luhansk was truly about Ukrainian born people seceding from Kyiv, exercising their right to self-determination, being an 'organic' revolution then why is a GRU colonel in charge of the Luhansk and Donetsk self-defense forces?

The answer is simple. Putin doesn't give a damn about the Ukrainian people in those oblasts. Putin wants a land bridge to her only fresh water access port. He wants Ukraine's fertile lands in the East. He wants all the factories that are critical to the Russian military, b/c they produce advanced military equipment, arms, ordinance ... etc. Finally, he wants to be able to control ALL of the gas/oil pipeline network in Ukraine, or at least as much as he can.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 59676597


Congrat you can be diplomat
btw i support all of you statment can add one more end ex extracion of shale gas in donetsk region.
except those that Putin dont give a damm now it look that putin chose lesser painfull way to grab east ukr land my think is that real war will take much more casualty in military and civils.
remember iraq revolution in 1991 a contrary situation us can easly take out Saddam in that time and take Iraq without fight but they dont give a damm shit so they were slaughtered.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 59713840

Yes, he could have included the Shale deposits. Also, Kyiv was robbed of it's legally held territorial claim to gas and oil deposits in the Black Sea. I doubt Putin will allow Poroshenko to develop and extract that massive wealth. Were Poroshenko smart, he'd sue Russia over the claim and use that money to pay off Gazprom debt. In fact those gas and oil deposits in the Black Sea that Putin illegally seized probably have a greater value than the entire Ukraine debt to Gazprom. It may the case Russia owes money to Ukraine.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 59713305


the fact remains that if the Obama administration and NATO had kept their noses out of Ukraine, Crimea would still be part of Ukraine.
 Quoting: RTS REDUX

Reality dictates things must dealt with as they are now, not on woulda, coulda, shoulda.
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Yes, he could have included the Shale deposits. Also, Kyiv was robbed of it's legally held territorial claim to gas and oil deposits in the Black Sea. I doubt Putin will allow Poroshenko to develop and extract that massive wealth. Were Poroshenko smart, he'd sue Russia over the claim and use that money to pay off Gazprom debt. In fact those gas and oil deposits in the Black Sea that Putin illegally seized probably have a greater value than the entire Ukraine debt to Gazprom. It may the case Russia owes money to Ukraine.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 59713305


the fact remains that if the Obama administration and NATO had kept their noses out of Ukraine, Crimea would still be part of Ukraine.
 Quoting: RTS REDUX


I agree with this on 90% at least until next election time and yanuk lost.
noone of our know what ru or us or tptb plan so 90% only.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 59713840


Ukraine already had antirussian governments with tymoshenko and yuschenko since 2004 and Russia did no such thing. Only when Nazis took power in a violent coup and started threatening and killing Russians did Russia step in.
 Quoting: Babay

At no time Ukraine killed Russians before they invaded Crimea and East Ukraine. Russians killed Ukrainians in Ukraine first.

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Congrat you can be diplomat
btw i support all of you statment can add one more end ex extracion of shale gas in donetsk region.
except those that Putin dont give a damm now it look that putin chose lesser painfull way to grab east ukr land my think is that real war will take much more casualty in military and civils.
remember iraq revolution in 1991 a contrary situation us can easly take out Saddam in that time and take Iraq without fight but they dont give a damm shit so they were slaughtered.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 59713840

Yes, he could have included the Shale deposits. Also, Kyiv was robbed of it's legally held territorial claim to gas and oil deposits in the Black Sea. I doubt Putin will allow Poroshenko to develop and extract that massive wealth. Were Poroshenko smart, he'd sue Russia over the claim and use that money to pay off Gazprom debt. In fact those gas and oil deposits in the Black Sea that Putin illegally seized probably have a greater value than the entire Ukraine debt to Gazprom. It may the case Russia owes money to Ukraine.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 59713305


the fact remains that if the Obama administration and NATO had kept their noses out of Ukraine, Crimea would still be part of Ukraine.
 Quoting: RTS REDUX

Reality dictates things must dealt with as they are now, not on woulda, coulda, shoulda.
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so..what's that supposed to mean..that you agree with what I said? scratching
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the fact remains that if the Obama administration and NATO had kept their noses out of Ukraine, Crimea would still be part of Ukraine.
 Quoting: RTS REDUX


I agree with this on 90% at least until next election time and yanuk lost.
noone of our know what ru or us or tptb plan so 90% only.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 59713840


Ukraine already had antirussian governments with tymoshenko and yuschenko since 2004 and Russia did no such thing. Only when Nazis took power in a violent coup and started threatening and killing Russians did Russia step in.
 Quoting: Babay

At no time Ukraine killed Russians before they invaded Crimea and East Ukraine. Russians killed Ukrainians in Ukraine first.
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Chippey pls :D :rofl:

where ? On Maidan ? so thats why your Free goverment want silent this case ? where is public trial of this murderes ? shit even trial of some scapegoat ? No nada nicht nein and ніяк will be such thing|
You can guess why
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the fact remains that if the Obama administration and NATO had kept their noses out of Ukraine, Crimea would still be part of Ukraine.
 Quoting: RTS REDUX


I agree with this on 90% at least until next election time and yanuk lost.
noone of our know what ru or us or tptb plan so 90% only.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 59713840


Ukraine already had antirussian governments with tymoshenko and yuschenko since 2004 and Russia did no such thing. Only when Nazis took power in a violent coup and started threatening and killing Russians did Russia step in.
 Quoting: Babay

At no time Ukraine killed Russians before they invaded Crimea and East Ukraine. Russians killed Ukrainians in Ukraine first.
 Quoting: Chippey


Russians did not invade Crimea, Crimeans decided on a referendum to secede from Ukraine.
Kiev nazis decided to overthrow a democratically elected president and therefore rob the people of eastern Ukraine of their democratic rights to have an legally elected president.
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Putin this.....Nato that.....Russia this......Ukraine that......etc.etc.


This is exactly how they want you to think......and speak.



However.........it has always been about the rich exploiting the poor.



The elites have their meetings and get togethers several time each year.......and even more frequent contact seems likely. They are not part of any particular nation......but are a group onto themselves......and owe allegiance only to their own group.
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I agree with this on 90% at least until next election time and yanuk lost.
noone of our know what ru or us or tptb plan so 90% only.
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Ukraine already had antirussian governments with tymoshenko and yuschenko since 2004 and Russia did no such thing. Only when Nazis took power in a violent coup and started threatening and killing Russians did Russia step in.
 Quoting: Babay

At no time Ukraine killed Russians before they invaded Crimea and East Ukraine. Russians killed Ukrainians in Ukraine first.
 Quoting: Chippey


Russians did not invade Crimea, Crimeans decided on a referendum to secede from Ukraine.
Kiev nazis decided to overthrow a democratically elected president and therefore rob the people of eastern Ukraine of their democratic rights to have an legally elected president.
 Quoting: Babay

They were being robbed by their own president and his gang.
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Ukraine already had antirussian governments with tymoshenko and yuschenko since 2004 and Russia did no such thing. Only when Nazis took power in a violent coup and started threatening and killing Russians did Russia step in.
 Quoting: Babay

At no time Ukraine killed Russians before they invaded Crimea and East Ukraine. Russians killed Ukrainians in Ukraine first.
 Quoting: Chippey


Russians did not invade Crimea, Crimeans decided on a referendum to secede from Ukraine.
Kiev nazis decided to overthrow a democratically elected president and therefore rob the people of eastern Ukraine of their democratic rights to have an legally elected president.
 Quoting: Babay

They were being robbed by their own president and his gang.
 Quoting: Chippey


Maybe, but they were also robbed by Tymoshenko yet there was no coup. Anyway, that why you have elections and the courts.
Oh and the same gang is still there ruling Ukraine (Poroshenko, Akhmetov, Khomolvsky...) so it was obviously not about "robbing".
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At no time Ukraine killed Russians before they invaded Crimea and East Ukraine. Russians killed Ukrainians in Ukraine first.
 Quoting: Chippey


Russians did not invade Crimea, Crimeans decided on a referendum to secede from Ukraine.
Kiev nazis decided to overthrow a democratically elected president and therefore rob the people of eastern Ukraine of their democratic rights to have an legally elected president.
 Quoting: Babay

They were being robbed by their own president and his gang.
 Quoting: Chippey


Maybe, but they were also robbed by Tymoshenko yet there was no coup. Anyway, that why you have elections and the courts.
Oh and the same gang is still there ruling Ukraine (Poroshenko, Akhmetov, Khomolvsky...) so it was obviously not about "robbing".
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all lower level employees of the same organization.......and following their orders.
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At no time Ukraine killed Russians before they invaded Crimea and East Ukraine. Russians killed Ukrainians in Ukraine first.
 Quoting: Chippey


Russians did not invade Crimea, Crimeans decided on a referendum to secede from Ukraine.
Kiev nazis decided to overthrow a democratically elected president and therefore rob the people of eastern Ukraine of their democratic rights to have an legally elected president.
 Quoting: Babay

They were being robbed by their own president and his gang.
 Quoting: Chippey


Maybe, but they were also robbed by Tymoshenko yet there was no coup. Anyway, that why you have elections and the courts.
Oh and the same gang is still there ruling Ukraine (Poroshenko, Akhmetov, Khomolvsky...) so it was obviously not about "robbing".
 Quoting: Babay

You are right. Much the same gang is still there. The old government as such resigned. They at first had the militia beat up the small number of peaceful protestors who had a legal right to protest under the constitution. People did not like what happened and joined the protest and so it escalated to not only Kyiv but most cities in Ukraine. Within 2 days of the mass killings the parliament had resumed and most Party of Regions members resigned from the party but not from parliament. The president had fled the country along with most of his inner circle and also a large proportion of the countries money.
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How can anyone honestly still try to justify this Russian aggression? Only if you have no brain or you are a paid shill...
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How can anyone honestly still try to justify this Russian aggression? Only if you have no brain or you are a paid shill...
 Quoting: Skizy


What aggression are you talking about, shill?
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How can anyone honestly still try to justify this Russian aggression? Only if you have no brain or you are a paid shill...
 Quoting: Skizy


potatocop

Why do you tards make it all about Putin?

The Obama administration was caught red handed planning the Coup d'état.

So shouldn't we be focusing on Obama's motives??
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RUSSIA AIMS TO SEND AID CONVOY THIS MORNING UNDER MILITARY ESCORT
Delivering news
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Time for a Russian truth update. Strelkov? No, his real name is Igor Girkin of Moscow. He is a Colonel in the GRU.

Now I ask, if the liberation of Donetsk and Luhansk was truly about Ukrainian born people seceding from Kyiv, exercising their right to self-determination, being an 'organic' revolution then why is a GRU colonel in charge of the Luhansk and Donetsk self-defense forces?

The answer is simple. Putin doesn't give a damn about the Ukrainian people in those oblasts. Putin wants a land bridge to her only fresh water access port. He wants Ukraine's fertile lands in the East. He wants all the factories that are critical to the Russian military, b/c they produce advanced military equipment, arms, ordinance ... etc. Finally, he wants to be able to control ALL of the gas/oil pipeline network in Ukraine, or at least as much as he can.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 59676597


Congrat you can be diplomat
btw i support all of you statment can add one more end ex extracion of shale gas in donetsk region.
except those that Putin dont give a damm now it look that putin chose lesser painfull way to grab east ukr land my think is that real war will take much more casualty in military and civils.
remember iraq revolution in 1991 a contrary situation us can easly take out Saddam in that time and take Iraq without fight but they dont give a damm shit so they were slaughtered.
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Yes, he could have included the Shale deposits. Also, Kyiv was robbed of it's legally held territorial claim to gas and oil deposits in the Black Sea. I doubt Putin will allow Poroshenko to develop and extract that massive wealth. Were Poroshenko smart, he'd sue Russia over the claim and use that money to pay off Gazprom debt. In fact those gas and oil deposits in the Black Sea that Putin illegally seized probably have a greater value than the entire Ukraine debt to Gazprom. It may the case Russia owes money to Ukraine.
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So lest raise another curtain
what is include in EU-UKR agrement that poro sing in ?
mayby this truce anounce and leting rusians geting what they want are price for ukr oligarhs to pay IF they want after this "war" still making money on EU - UKR trade
Ukr will be alowed to send good to EU without excise or other border fees do not know much about this.
Payment on UKR are realy low so if some industrial plants from EU will move to ukr it will be win win situation after all ofc not for regular labor from eu region.
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yes new factory in ucraina and no work for eu worker..
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How can anyone honestly still try to justify this Russian aggression? Only if you have no brain or you are a paid shill...
 Quoting: Skizy


why estonia can separate from russia and est ukraina cant separate from w. ukraina ? what is difference ?
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At no time Ukraine killed Russians before they invaded Crimea and East Ukraine. Russians killed Ukrainians in Ukraine first.
 Quoting: Chippey




Russians did not invade Crimea, Crimeans decided on a referendum to secede from Ukraine.
Kiev nazis decided to overthrow a democratically elected president and therefore rob the people of eastern Ukraine of their democratic rights to have an legally elected president.
 Quoting: Babay

They were being robbed by their own president and his gang.
 Quoting: Chippey


Maybe, but they were also robbed by Tymoshenko yet there was no coup. Anyway, that why you have elections and the courts.
Oh and the same gang is still there ruling Ukraine (Poroshenko, Akhmetov, Khomolvsky...) so it was obviously not about "robbing".
 Quoting: Babay




hesright


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