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This is blatant propaganda.
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You're a blatant shill
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And who exactly am I "shilling" for? I am not pro-western governments.
 Quoting: Skizzy

Let me translate Babai v.1.3. 'Blatant shill' really means - "I have no true insight or elucidation on your posted remarks, or I'm too lazy to do any credible fact checking, but I am being paid, so I've got to do something."
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Poroshenk 'logical solution' a final solution?
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Yeah, he will kill himself finally...
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Superior?! WTF are you smoking? UA has air support..well whats left of it chuckle Freedom fighters are fighting with WW2 AT guns and armoury that was pulled out of scrap yard. They dont have APC's they didnt had tanks. Now after "ceasefire" odds are a bit even but UA army still got upperhand over sepreatist. In numbers and equipment.
 Quoting: Matjaz

Overwhelmingly, superior in equipment. Numbers may be about equal. But the rebels have a will to fight and their enemy has no wish to fight, not if it means exposing themselves to even slight danger.
 Quoting: FormerlyBritish


They say 20.000 seperatists thats huge but in Slavyansk ratio is 14:1 in favor for Ukranians.
 Quoting: Matjaz


yeah and 800/1000 ISIS Routed 4 division of IRAQI solders

so I think the separatists are at least 2-1 to beat them.

what do the Ukrainian , IRAQ , and French Armies have in

Common. A White Flag is basic Military Issued equipment.
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No need for ISIS scum to come and help. If I were them I would avoid that nasty shit from the desert.

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Superior?! WTF are you smoking? UA has air support..well whats left of it chuckle Freedom fighters are fighting with WW2 AT guns and armoury that was pulled out of scrap yard. They dont have APC's they didnt had tanks. Now after "ceasefire" odds are a bit even but UA army still got upperhand over sepreatist. In numbers and equipment.
 Quoting: Matjaz

Overwhelmingly, superior in equipment. Numbers may be about equal. But the rebels have a will to fight and their enemy has no wish to fight, not if it means exposing themselves to even slight danger.
 Quoting: FormerlyBritish


They say 20.000 seperatists thats huge but in Slavyansk ratio is 14:1 in favor for Ukranians.
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well that was a long time ago before the reinforcement of highly motivated angry anti Nazi forces.
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Bumping this false flag warning
[link to rense.com]

It should be today or tomorrow.
Will it happen?
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That sounds just horrible...
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NATO sending in the Eurotrash version of ISIS...

Hungary playing role of Turkey? Or Lebanon?
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This is blatant propaganda.
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You're a blatant shill
 Quoting: Babay


And who exactly am I "shilling" for? I am not pro-western governments.
 Quoting: Skizzy

Let me translate Babai v.1.3. 'Blatant shill' really means - "I have no true insight or elucidation on your posted remarks, or I'm too lazy to do any credible fact checking, but I am being paid, so I've got to do something."
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Hey fella, dont anger the moderatin kitten. hiding
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Didn't German soldiers lay down their weapons after WWII and surrender to the Allies? How did that work out?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 58487295

As I remember my history, most of the active duty Nazi soldiers fought to their death and were killed.
In and around Berlin at the very least.
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Another 1 or 2 million of those that surrendered were placed in a fenced open air area and allowed to starve to death. They lived in their own filth and disease until they died. It was punishable by death for other Germans to give them food. People of other countries , like Iraq, think that the US is like John Wayne and fair and honest. They have an image that they received while watching hollywood movies

In other words, giving up their weapons is a sure death warrant for themselves. I think this is a fight to the death of one side or the other, or possibly establish a DMZ. There won't be a happy united Ukraine after this is over.
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I think you may be right about a DMZ... However I think it will end up being several hundred miles west of where you think it... Like along the English channel.
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Here we have the massive amount of funding that Putin gives his favorite propaganda machine/Putin's Personal Public Relations Squad - RT

2011 - 380 million USD
2012 - 300 million USD
2013 - 300 million USD

The Russia Times is paid very, very well for spreading lies, global mistruths and chronic obfuscations. In fact, it is fair to say:

RT = PPB Putin's Propaganda Brigade.

Marcin Maczka, 'The Propaganda Machine,' New Eastern Europe website

Lenizadt estimates the 2012 Russian Federal Budget at 11 billion rubles to RT's parent company ANO TV-Novosti. Darya Fazletdinova, Anatomy of Non-Resistance, Lenizdat, July 2, 2012, accessed September 28, 2012.
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I have access to CNN, BBC, Sky News, Euronews, TVFrance in both English and French, Al Jazeera, approximately 30 German TV channells, at least 20 Italian except others, but I can say all of them mentioned are much more biased than RT. I can compare many sources and I can tell often you are fed poison instead of information. I lived more than 30 years in communism at the border with Austria and you can bet I know to sift the information...
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Not really on topic of Ukraine, but generally about the whole "Russia is the bad guy" situation.



"When every one is dead the Great Game is finished. Not before." - Rudyard Kipling
The Great Game - Russian-British confrontation in Central Asia - or at least it was said so. This was a Cold War of the 19th century. Actually, this is one and the same Cold Game, built on the same historical logic and mythology. Modern western anti-Russian media rhetoric is rather primitive plagiarism of British newspapers of century and a half ago. Do not be afraid of the Cold War, I mean - Great Game - because only when everyone is dead, the Great Game is finished. And we are still alive.
- Mikhail Leontyev, "The Great Game: British Empire vs. Russia and USSR" (2007)

I heartily recommend this series of programs to those who understand Russian. I've failed to find translation to English.

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"When every one is dead the Great Game is finished. Not before." - Rudyard Kipling, "Kim" (1901)
"But we are still alive." - Mikhail Leontyev, "The Great Game: British Empire vs. Russia and USSR" (2007)
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"Life before death, strength before weakness, journey before destination." - Brandon Sanderson, "The Way of Kings"
"Russia is the great Christian country with rich Islamic history" - Vladimir Solovyov (Russian Jew)
Quos Iupiter perdere vult, dementat.
"Europe can wait while the Russian tsar fishes." - Alexander III The Peacemaker

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And the LOGIC SOLUTION is..........
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 59643651


...probably going full retard... erm medieval in Eastern Ukraine.
 Quoting: N.O.S. (nli) 59664358

Tell me, how exactly do you define 'full retard' when a sovereign nation is fighting, on their own lands, an invasion force that is superior in every known way?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 59665892


Superior?! WTF are you smoking? UA has air support..well whats left of it chuckle Freedom fighters are fighting with WW2 AT guns and armoury that was pulled out of scrap yard. They dont have APC's they didnt had tanks. Now after "ceasefire" odds are a bit even but UA army still got upperhand over sepreatist. In numbers and equipment.
 Quoting: Matjaz

Please Russian is rpoviding encrypted two-way radio communication to the terrorists. Russia is providing intel to the terrorists. Ukrainian military and SBU have double agents who are really working for Putin. Look at Ukrainian casualty % per engagement. It has massively spiked, I believe better, more advanced weaponry from Russia explain this-probably Russian soldiers also training terrorists. time for you to watch more Anze Kopitar videos.
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Wow...
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Oh, this is good! Watch Putin speak abour East-West diffrences

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... Russia is providing intel to the terrorists. Ukrainian military and SBU have double agents who are really working for Putin. Look at Ukrainian casualty % per engagement. It has massively spiked, ...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 59665892

I agree this is a huge factor.

Many of the highest ranking officers on the Kiev side are secretly sympathetic with the rebels. So that every move they make is known to the rebels in advance and in detail.

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Superior?! WTF are you smoking? UA has air support..well whats left of it chuckle Freedom fighters are fighting with WW2 AT guns and armoury that was pulled out of scrap yard. They dont have APC's they didnt had tanks. Now after "ceasefire" odds are a bit even but UA army still got upperhand over sepreatist. In numbers and equipment.
 Quoting: Matjaz

Overwhelmingly, superior in equipment. Numbers may be about equal. But the rebels have a will to fight and their enemy has no wish to fight, not if it means exposing themselves to even slight danger.
 Quoting: FormerlyBritish

Tell me how you arrived at the opinion that terrorists have more of a will to fight than the Ukrainians defending an invasion of their homeland.

Besides, history proves those defending their lands have more much resolve.
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...probably going full retard... erm medieval in Eastern Ukraine.
 Quoting: N.O.S. (nli) 59664358

Tell me, how exactly do you define 'full retard' when a sovereign nation is fighting, on their own lands, an invasion force that is superior in every known way?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 59665892


Superior?! WTF are you smoking? UA has air support..well whats left of it chuckle Freedom fighters are fighting with WW2 AT guns and armoury that was pulled out of scrap yard. They dont have APC's they didnt had tanks. Now after "ceasefire" odds are a bit even but UA army still got upperhand over sepreatist. In numbers and equipment.
 Quoting: Matjaz

Please Russian is rpoviding encrypted two-way radio communication to the terrorists. Russia is providing intel to the terrorists. Ukrainian military and SBU have double agents who are really working for Putin. Look at Ukrainian casualty % per engagement. It has massively spiked, I believe better, more advanced weaponry from Russia explain this-probably Russian soldiers also training terrorists. time for you to watch more Anze Kopitar videos.
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Terrorists??? such a DHS phrase.....so would the 'French' resistance for example now be classified as Terrorists?
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Superior?! WTF are you smoking? UA has air support..well whats left of it chuckle Freedom fighters are fighting with WW2 AT guns and armoury that was pulled out of scrap yard. They dont have APC's they didnt had tanks. Now after "ceasefire" odds are a bit even but UA army still got upperhand over sepreatist. In numbers and equipment.
 Quoting: Matjaz

Overwhelmingly, superior in equipment. Numbers may be about equal. But the rebels have a will to fight and their enemy has no wish to fight, not if it means exposing themselves to even slight danger.
 Quoting: FormerlyBritish

Tell me how you arrived at the opinion that terrorists have more of a will to fight than the Ukrainians defending an invasion of their homeland.

Besides, history proves those defending their lands have more much resolve.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 59665892


Oh, I dont know...thats the impression by most, btw...maybe cause of thousands of defections to Russian side?
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Superior?! WTF are you smoking? UA has air support..well whats left of it chuckle Freedom fighters are fighting with WW2 AT guns and armoury that was pulled out of scrap yard. They dont have APC's they didnt had tanks. Now after "ceasefire" odds are a bit even but UA army still got upperhand over sepreatist. In numbers and equipment.
 Quoting: Matjaz

Overwhelmingly, superior in equipment. Numbers may be about equal. But the rebels have a will to fight and their enemy has no wish to fight, not if it means exposing themselves to even slight danger.
 Quoting: FormerlyBritish


They say 20.000 seperatists thats huge but in Slavyansk ratio is 14:1 in favor for Ukranians.
 Quoting: Matjaz


yeah and 800/1000 ISIS Routed 4 division of IRAQI solders

so I think the separatists are at least 2-1 to beat them.

what do the Ukrainian , IRAQ , and French Armies have in

Common. A White Flag is basic Military Issued equipment.
 Quoting: Zombie Daddy in a Box


The CIA paid off the Iraqi officers to stand down and told their soldiers to run away. Same plan as Libya.

BRIBERY VERY POWERFUL WHEN DONE AT THE TOP!

It's when the USA starts demanding blow jobs to fight the holdouts that leaves a bad taste in the mouth when the bribe money stops...

Just ask the Polish Foreign Minister.
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Superior?! WTF are you smoking? UA has air support..well whats left of it chuckle Freedom fighters are fighting with WW2 AT guns and armoury that was pulled out of scrap yard. They dont have APC's they didnt had tanks. Now after "ceasefire" odds are a bit even but UA army still got upperhand over sepreatist. In numbers and equipment.
 Quoting: Matjaz

Overwhelmingly, superior in equipment. Numbers may be about equal. But the rebels have a will to fight and their enemy has no wish to fight, not if it means exposing themselves to even slight danger.
 Quoting: FormerlyBritish

Tell me how you arrived at the opinion that terrorists have more of a will to fight than the Ukrainians defending an invasion of their homeland.

Besides, history proves those defending their lands have more much resolve.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 59665892


Oh, I dont know...thats the impression by most, btw...maybe cause of thousands of defections to Russian side?
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Besides Donbass is not really UA land. And locals LIVING there considere it THEIR land...so UA army is the one visiting ;)
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Superior?! WTF are you smoking? UA has air support..well whats left of it chuckle Freedom fighters are fighting with WW2 AT guns and armoury that was pulled out of scrap yard. They dont have APC's they didnt had tanks. Now after "ceasefire" odds are a bit even but UA army still got upperhand over sepreatist. In numbers and equipment.
 Quoting: Matjaz

Overwhelmingly, superior in equipment. Numbers may be about equal. But the rebels have a will to fight and their enemy has no wish to fight, not if it means exposing themselves to even slight danger.
 Quoting: FormerlyBritish

Tell me how you arrived at the opinion that terrorists have more of a will to fight than the Ukrainians defending an invasion of their homeland.
Besides, history proves those defending their lands have more much resolve.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 59665892

Exactly. That why the invaders (Pravvy Sektor etc) are getting nowhere and the rebels are doing so well. PS people only wish to kill, they don't wish to fight.
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...probably going full retard... erm medieval in Eastern Ukraine.
 Quoting: N.O.S. (nli) 59664358

Tell me, how exactly do you define 'full retard' when a sovereign nation is fighting, on their own lands, an invasion force that is superior in every known way?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 59665892


Superior?! WTF are you smoking? UA has air support..well whats left of it chuckle Freedom fighters are fighting with WW2 AT guns and armoury that was pulled out of scrap yard. They dont have APC's they didnt had tanks. Now after "ceasefire" odds are a bit even but UA army still got upperhand over sepreatist. In numbers and equipment.
 Quoting: Matjaz

Please Russian is rpoviding encrypted two-way radio communication to the terrorists. Russia is providing intel to the terrorists. Ukrainian military and SBU have double agents who are really working for Putin. Look at Ukrainian casualty % per engagement. It has massively spiked, I believe better, more advanced weaponry from Russia explain this-probably Russian soldiers also training terrorists. time for you to watch more Anze Kopitar videos.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 59665892


Yes, Russia is providing. But should provide more. Btw look under your bed than you will go to sleep. Putin could be there...
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You're a blatant shill
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And who exactly am I "shilling" for? I am not pro-western governments.
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Let me translate Babai v.1.3. 'Blatant shill' really means - "I have no true insight or elucidation on your posted remarks, or I'm too lazy to do any credible fact checking, but I am being paid, so I've got to do something."
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Hey fella, dont anger the moderatin kitten. hiding
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What rule have I broken?
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Superior?! WTF are you smoking? UA has air support..well whats left of it chuckle Freedom fighters are fighting with WW2 AT guns and armoury that was pulled out of scrap yard. They dont have APC's they didnt had tanks. Now after "ceasefire" odds are a bit even but UA army still got upperhand over sepreatist. In numbers and equipment.
 Quoting: Matjaz

Overwhelmingly, superior in equipment. Numbers may be about equal. But the rebels have a will to fight and their enemy has no wish to fight, not if it means exposing themselves to even slight danger.
 Quoting: FormerlyBritish

Tell me how you arrived at the opinion that terrorists have more of a will to fight than the Ukrainians defending an invasion of their homeland.

Besides, history proves those defending their lands have more much resolve.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 59665892


Terrorists now HOMELAND...you know what I think every time I hear that word Homeland??....FATHERLAND...then there is Afikacorps..FEMACORPS..or even Africom...whatever Russia is (and I'm no supporter) it is NOT the 4th Reich AKA Amerika...about time the f***** Eagle of Rome, NAZI Germany and the 4th Reich finally burned once and for all
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And who exactly am I "shilling" for? I am not pro-western governments.
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Let me translate Babai v.1.3. 'Blatant shill' really means - "I have no true insight or elucidation on your posted remarks, or I'm too lazy to do any credible fact checking, but I am being paid, so I've got to do something."
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Hey fella, dont anger the moderatin kitten. hiding
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What rule have I broken?
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They damned can be very annoyed with flame wars..
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Here we have the massive amount of funding that Putin gives his favorite propaganda machine/Putin's Personal Public Relations Squad - RT

2011 - 380 million USD
2012 - 300 million USD
2013 - 300 million USD

The Russia Times is paid very, very well for spreading lies, global mistruths and chronic obfuscations. In fact, it is fair to say:

RT = PPB Putin's Propaganda Brigade.

Marcin Maczka, 'The Propaganda Machine,' New Eastern Europe website

Lenizadt estimates the 2012 Russian Federal Budget at 11 billion rubles to RT's parent company ANO TV-Novosti. Darya Fazletdinova, Anatomy of Non-Resistance, Lenizdat, July 2, 2012, accessed September 28, 2012.
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I have access to CNN, BBC, Sky News, Euronews, TVFrance in both English and French, Al Jazeera, approximately 30 German TV channells, at least 20 Italian except others, but I can say all of them mentioned are much more biased than RT. I can compare many sources and I can tell often you are fed poison instead of information. I lived more than 30 years in communism at the border with Austria and you can bet I know to sift the information...
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I've lived in China. I studied modern Chinese society, which extensively covers propaganda and social control mechanisms. I stand by my RT assertions.
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Putin image on toilet paper and more souvenirs from Kyiv . [link to www.vocativ.com]
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bbc is not ur shitty kyiv

Russia: Golden phones go on sale for Putin supporters
[link to www.bbc.com]
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Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387
Superior?! WTF are you smoking? UA has air support..well whats left of it chuckle Freedom fighters are fighting with WW2 AT guns and armoury that was pulled out of scrap yard. They dont have APC's they didnt had tanks. Now after "ceasefire" odds are a bit even but UA army still got upperhand over sepreatist. In numbers and equipment.
 Quoting: Matjaz

Overwhelmingly, superior in equipment. Numbers may be about equal. But the rebels have a will to fight and their enemy has no wish to fight, not if it means exposing themselves to even slight danger.
 Quoting: FormerlyBritish

Tell me how you arrived at the opinion that terrorists have more of a will to fight than the Ukrainians defending an invasion of their homeland.

Besides, history proves those defending their lands have more much resolve.
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So then by your logic the USA has invaded, Panama, Columbia, Germany, Iraq, Afghanistan, Yemen, Japan, Russia, Sudan, Somalia, Venezuela, Cuba, Haiti, Syria, and countless others. Tossing guns, a few people, and some trucks across a border isn't an "invasion". Even training, supporting, giving money, arms, and other help isn't an "invasion". When you see airstrikes and columns of thousands of troops, aircraft, armor, and other logistical assets cross over the border, then you can call it an "invasion". Simply fomenting dissent and supporting separatists is not an "invasion". It's not even close. D-Day was an invasion. The German blitz across Europe was an invasion. The Mongols sweeping across Asia was an invasion. Giving support to a side you happen to support isn't an "invasion". Using the term "Invasion" in the Ukraine situation is pure rhetoric. It shows a polemic point of view.

Is Russia wrong or right in the Ukraine situation? Only time will tell. Is Kiev, EU, NATO, and the USA right in the Ukraine situation? Only time will tell. What what can be definitively said, right now, is that Russia has NOT invaded anything, period. Are they supporting separatists in some ways? Without a doubt. Has the US done the same everywhere? Without a doubt. But simply supporting "rebels" doesn't make an "invasion".
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