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UKRAINE: BREAKING: Intel suggests MH17 plane shot down by rebels, no link to Russia found - US officials!!!p4907

 
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Anybody thirsty in Crimea?
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They have huge Black Sea. come on.
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 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 53277355

The so called separatists took action against others deciding instead of them. And that takes courage!


The so called separatists want to be annexed by Russia, if you were not aware of that already.


Annexed? Scary word. They feel connected to Russia and that is their right. Same as your right to be feel more connected to the west if you care to chose. But when someone that not represent you decides for you to change the language of your children, or their nationality and deprive them of the basic human rights then you either take action or bow to the new master.< Not my post,chippey.

From Wikipedia
"In 1922, most of the former region of Novorossiya was added to the newly formed Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic within the Soviet Union, as part of the then-prevailing policy of Korenization or "putting down roots," in which territories of the Soviet Union were allocated based upon the ethnic composition of those territories. Because this area historically had a majority Ukrainian population,[citation needed] the Soviets allocated it to the Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic under this policy, which emphasized building up the nations of the new Soviet Union.

After Joseph Stalin came to power in the Soviet Union in the late 1920s, he reversed the policy of Korenization. The former territory of Novorossiya, which was now the southeastern part of Ukraine, was a prime target of Stalin's reforms,[citation needed] and suffered significant population loss during the Holodomor (artificial[citation needed] famine) of 1932-33 and the Great Purge of 1937-38."
and so it still goes on, and on,,, [link to en.wikipedia.org]

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 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 53277355

The so called separatists took action against others deciding instead of them. And that takes courage!


The so called separatists want to be annexed by Russia, if you were not aware of that already.


Annexed? Scary word. They feel connected to Russia and that is their right. Same as your right to be feel more connected to the west if you care to chose. But when someone that not represent you decides for you to change the language of your children, or their nationality and deprive them of the basic human rights then you either take action or bow to the new master.


yes like europe union for my country for example.. i hate eu
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Anybody thirsty in Crimea?
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They have huge Black Sea. come on.
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Didn't know the Black Sea was readily drinkable from its source.
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Anybody thirsty in Crimea?
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wtf
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verycold wet in Kyiv now.
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ConflictReporter &#8207;@MiddleEast_BRK · 9 min. &#61577;
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 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 53277355

The so called separatists took action against others deciding instead of them. And that takes courage!
 Quoting: Chippey


The so called separatists want to be annexed by Russia, if you were not aware of that already.


Annexed? Scary word. They feel connected to Russia and that is their right. Same as your right to be feel more connected to the west if you care to chose. But when someone that not represent you decides for you to change the language of your children, or their nationality and deprive them of the basic human rights then you either take action or bow to the new master.< Not my post,chippey.

From Wikipedia
"In 1922, most of the former region of Novorossiya was added to the newly formed Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic within the Soviet Union, as part of the then-prevailing policy of Korenization or "putting down roots," in which territories of the Soviet Union were allocated based upon the ethnic composition of those territories. Because this area historically had a majority Ukrainian population,[citation needed] the Soviets allocated it to the Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic under this policy, which emphasized building up the nations of the new Soviet Union.

After Joseph Stalin came to power in the Soviet Union in the late 1920s, he reversed the policy of Korenization. The former territory of Novorossiya, which was now the southeastern part of Ukraine, was a prime target of Stalin's reforms,[citation needed] and suffered significant population loss during the Holodomor (artificial[citation needed] famine) of 1932-33 and the Great Purge of 1937-38."
and so it still goes on, and on,,, [link to en.wikipedia.org]


I can prove to you that not everything in wikipedia is truthful. Ask any serious conspiracy theorist and revisionist historians and they will confirm that wikipedia better call it jewpedia, has so much manipulated staff. Manipulated the way PTTB needed.
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Apparently there was a failed parachute resupply drop at Kramatorsk Airport on Thursday morning.

[link to arbaletfire.livejournal.com]
less than 50%

'm in Kramatorsk.
"Battle of the fat"
From 8-30 hours [08:30 Moscow time Thurs 6-26] was a fight in the terminal area (explosions and small), and it was like this:
flew propeller aircraft (low clouds, not seen, en-en-24 or 30), dropped by parachute parcels (probably rations) surrounded at the airport ukropy, there was no wind .... but seen God help us ....
The wind picked up and blew ... blowing parcels aside. Ukropies try to push for the parcel, the militia that they do not give ...
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Anybody thirsty in Crimea?
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It would be good to meet for a bevvy or three there some day.
From what I hear the libations (little water) are quaffed copiously at the resorts.
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Babay &#8207;@Truth_Seeker_11 · 6 min. &#61577;
#Maidan activists vandalized hotel "Tourist" in #Kiev, disrupted the election of a new head of Trade Unions inside.

Good old Maidanists. When you can't find them how they sit on the pile of mess and whining be sure they are nearby and vandalizing or burning some buildings...
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@tggrove: #USA sec of state Kerry says critical for #Russia "in next hours" to call on separatists in eastern #Ukraine to disarm

@KiritRadia: Secy Kerry on #Ukraine: "It is critical for #Russia to show in the next hours literally that they're moving to help disarm the separatists"

There have been some calls i guess.

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@MarQs__: #ATO speaker says they control the situation at #Kramatorsk airfield and there are no GRAD systems. Source of GRAD was espresso.tv reporter
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@tggrove: #USA sec of state Kerry says critical for #Russia "in next hours" to call on separatists in eastern #Ukraine to disarm

@KiritRadia: Secy Kerry on #Ukraine: "It is critical for #Russia to show in the next hours literally that they're moving to help disarm the separatists"

There have been some calls i guess.
 Quoting: Lyonesse


Best way to disarm so-called separatists is send in regulars and let them defend Donbass from Banderistam wasteland invaders.
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No, Skizzy. State dos not give a shit about you. West or east does not matter. What matters is just your idea that you are doing something of importance. There, in that point the state has captured you and your future.

Soviet Union is dead. Stop trying to resurrect it!
The western neo-liberal capitalism is still alive and battles furiously to stay on top. In that battle we see our future taking shape that lacks our individual control.
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You should tell this to the so called Separatists instead of me.

The so called separatists took action against others deciding instead of them. And that takes courage!


The so called separatists want to be annexed by Russia, if you were not aware of that already.


Please provde a link and a quote or retract your claim.

From what I have been reading, most of the regular citizens as well as the leaders
 Quoting: Skizzy
PR have stated on several occasions that they are first and foremost interested in getting rid of Kiev
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 53277355
rol. Many would even like to remain part of Ukraine, but in a very de-centralized fashion. The major
 Quoting: Skizzy
f irritation is of course money.

Southeastern Ukraine contributes more than 50% of Ukraine's GDP Skizzy, if you were not aware of that already!
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@tggrove: #USA sec of state Kerry says critical for #Russia "in next hours" to call on separatists in eastern #Ukraine to disarm

@KiritRadia: Secy Kerry on #Ukraine: "It is critical for #Russia to show in the next hours literally that they're moving to help disarm the separatists"

There have been some calls i guess.
 Quoting: Lyonesse


oh, so now their trying to put all of the blame on Putin for not stopping all of this......wtf
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Guess we will have to wait for a statement from russia pledging for separist to lay down arms. Question is - will they listen?
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You should tell this to the so called Separatists instead of me.
 Quoting: Skizzy

The so called separatists took action against others deciding instead of them. And that takes courage!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 53277355


The so called separatists want to be annexed by Russia, if you were not aware of that already.
 Quoting: Skizzy


Please provde a link and a quote or retract your claim.

From what I have been reading, most of the regular citizens as well as the leaders of LPR/DPR have stated on several occasions that they are first and foremost interested in getting rid of Kiev's control. Many would even like to remain part of Ukraine, but in a very de-centralized fashion. The major point of irritation is of course money.

Southeastern Ukraine contributes more than 50% of Ukraine's GDP Skizzy, if you were not aware of that already!
 Quoting: Anonymous Viking 3910366


Yes. And I think if anti-Kiev forces will hold Donbass for a few months longer western Ukrainian lazy ass looters and leeches will die of malnutrition and whole their famous Banderistan will bankrupt and turn into dust...

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Guess we will have to wait for a statement from russia pledging for separist to lay down arms. Question is - will they listen?
 Quoting: Lyonesse

Well of course they will listen.

But will they act on the call to unilaterally ceasefire and just stand up and let the ukropies kill them?
Not a hope in Hades of that!

Colonel Strelkov made his terms clear.
Number one requirement is that the enemy first backs off at least 10km. Then a bilateral ceasefire can be considered.
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@DenisPushilin: Has Putin betrayed Novorossiya? Did he renounce to send Russian troops in exchange of South Stream gas system? We hope not. We need Russia!!
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Guess we will have to wait for a statement from russia pledging for separist to lay down arms. Question is - will they listen?
 Quoting: Lyonesse


It is not up to Russia to decide!
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@Truth_Seeker_11: #US urges #Russia to immediately provide evidence of their actions to resolve the crisis in #Ukraine [link to twitter.com (secure)]

Nice photo Babay
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@Truth_Seeker_11: #US urges #Russia to immediately provide evidence of their actions to resolve the crisis in #Ukraine [link to twitter.com (secure)]

Nice photo Babay
 Quoting: Lyonesse


Angry talking horse!

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@maxseddon: Kerry: Russia must get Ukraine militias to disarm within "hours," no doubt so he can get back to worrying about this whole Iraq business.
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A level 1 was issued for Italy mainly for large hail.

A level 1 was issued for north-eastern Spain mainly for large hail.

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@MarQs__: #ATO speaker says they control the situation at #Kramatorsk airfield and there are no GRAD systems. Source of GRAD was espresso.tv reporter
 Quoting: Lyonesse

But the Unian newsagency in Kiev has eyewitnesses who saw these non-existent GRADs. Even identified the type - MRL BM-21.
[link to www.unian.ua]
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Eyewitnesses reported that in Parkova drove towards the airport setting MRL BM-21 "Grad" militants. require our urgent and effective support, including from the air, "- said the journalist.
 Quoting: Unian newsagency
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Then the video shows what the people of Slavyansk have to go through during artillery and bombing attacks by the Kiev regime.
 Quoting: RTS REDUX

As we have already discussed multiple times:

- An army (including insurgents) is obliged to separate itself from the civilian population (e.g., by constructing military bases away from urban areas).

- If such an army truly considers it militarily necessary to occupy a city, that army is responsible for the careful evacuation of the civilian population.

- If the army refuses or neglects to do so, that army (occupying the populated city) is fully accountable for the deaths of any civilians that result. In other words, the army occupying the populated city is a bunch of mass murderers.
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Colonel Strelkov made his terms clear.
Number one requirement is that the enemy first backs off at least 10km. Then a bilateral ceasefire can be considered.
 Quoting: FormerlyBritish

Chuckle. How convenient--a "demand" for unilateral withdrawal.

As I have pointed out before, no meaningful progress can occur until the foreign cutthroats from Russia and Chechnya leave the country. They care nothing for the local civilians--they seek only personal glory and the expansion of Putin's empire.
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Colonel Strelkov made his terms clear.
Number one requirement is that the enemy first backs off at least 10km. Then a bilateral ceasefire can be considered.
 Quoting: FormerlyBritish

Chuckle. How convenient--a "demand" for unilateral withdrawal.
 Quoting: Skeptic the First

He is not making demands for a unilateral ceasefire, in fact he won't even consider a unilateral ceasefire.
Only a bilateral ceasefire is even a remote possibility.

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