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UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387

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Tank checkpoint rout, Poroshenko won't last like this....

'Four killed, five wounded. Painful and bitter defeat ... The reasons are obvious and usual for this war. First - utterly worthless command. It is the middle tier, which has not yet been replaced, and is not a damn thing he can, and can not. The second reason - poor coordination between the security forces of various ministries. Again - at the level of middle management; at the checkpoint differences on this basis do not. The third reason - disgusting intelligence. It is actually not. Or is there, perhaps, but then the results of reconnaissance or not come to the people who make responsible decisions, or ignored them. The fourth reason, it is the first - the lack of modern means of communication - protected from listening to the radio with the communication range of a few tens of kilometers. About what is happening at the checkpoint, still recognized by a cell phone or already - by glow of the fire on the post and the rumble of fire ... By the way, half an hour before the attack, the enemy turned mobile communications Slovyansk ... The fifth reason - unsaturation troops with modern weapons, including - antitank complexes. Enough already called this war "anti-terrorist operation." Enemy - not a bunch of terrorists and military groupings Russian occupiers, equipped and prepared much better than force ATU. This war must be treated as war - seriously, and keep it on all the rules of military science.

And finally ... What the hell, peace talks? .. Why - extension of unilateral ceasefire regime? .. Not dead? .. Should either fight or surrender. Let everyone choose for themselves ... "

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Why not just leave south-east. Take army and leave cities. Pro-Russians proved that they are better at rebuilding and recreating their partially destroyed by junta infrastructure.
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Moscow strategy is to force the truce via Germany, take down poroshenko's gov through dissatisfaction, and continue girkin attacks until the point of open invasion.
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Disagree. If a truce can hold then Poroshenko becomes an asset to Moscow and Russia will want him to survive. He will have to face down opposition in Kiev but his chocolate business sells to Russia and Moscow has leverage from that. Poroshenko is the best Moscow can do in Kiev right now.
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unlikeley he can 'face down', more likely a bullet will be coming for him.
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The Moskal invaders cannot be permitted to perpetuate an invasion of the sovereign state of Ukraine. Did Putler allow NATO or the Americans to bring humanitarian aid to disaffected in the Chechen or Georgian wars? Hell no.

So Ukraine should allow 'humanitarian' aid from the Moskals, delivered by the enemy (Russia), to the people helping whose death and suffering began as a direct result of Putin's invasion of Donetsk and Luhansk. Did Stalin allow Hitler to deliver 'aid' deep into Russian lands?
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I don't remember any western attempts at humanitarian aid to Chechnya or Georgia. Refresh my memory with a link.
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Actually the USS McFaul paid a visit to Batumi port with humanitarian aid not long after the 4 day conflict ended. Humanitarian aid and a bank of Tomahawk's, as I recall.

[link to civil.ge]

It says the US had also made a number of previous aid shipments by air. I remember that at the time.
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Moscow strategy is to force the truce via Germany, take down poroshenko's gov through dissatisfaction, and continue girkin attacks until the point of open invasion.
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Disagree. If a truce can hold then Poroshenko becomes an asset to Moscow and Russia will want him to survive. He will have to face down opposition in Kiev but his chocolate business sells to Russia and Moscow has leverage from that. Poroshenko is the best Moscow can do in Kiev right now.
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I agree, but should the truce hold, and Petro Piggy become a valuabe asset to Russia, IMO his short term life expectancy decreases by a significant margin, and the ones that will want him dead are first and foremost his own compatriots of neo-nazi affiliations.
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The Moskal invaders cannot be permitted to perpetuate an invasion of the sovereign state of Ukraine. Did Putler allow NATO or the Americans to bring humanitarian aid to disaffected in the Chechen or Georgian wars? Hell no.

So Ukraine should allow 'humanitarian' aid from the Moskals, delivered by the enemy (Russia), to the people helping whose death and suffering began as a direct result of Putin's invasion of Donetsk and Luhansk. Did Stalin allow Hitler to deliver 'aid' deep into Russian lands?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 40820958


I don't remember any western attempts at humanitarian aid to Chechnya or Georgia. Refresh my memory with a link.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 59607500


Actually the USS McFaul paid a visit to Batumi port with humanitarian aid not long after the 4 day conflict ended. Humanitarian aid and a bank of Tomahawk's, as I recall.

[link to civil.ge]

It says the US had also made a number of previous aid shipments by air. I remember that at the time.
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Ahh... but I think you mean during the break from the Soviet Union? Sorry - I should have read the thread properly!
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The Moskal invaders cannot be permitted to perpetuate an invasion of the sovereign state of Ukraine. Did Putler allow NATO or the Americans to bring humanitarian aid to disaffected in the Chechen or Georgian wars? Hell no.

So Ukraine should allow 'humanitarian' aid from the Moskals, delivered by the enemy (Russia), to the people helping whose death and suffering began as a direct result of Putin's invasion of Donetsk and Luhansk. Did Stalin allow Hitler to deliver 'aid' deep into Russian lands?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 40820958


I don't remember any western attempts at humanitarian aid to Chechnya or Georgia. Refresh my memory with a link.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 59607500


Actually the USS McFaul paid a visit to Batumi port with humanitarian aid not long after the 4 day conflict ended. Humanitarian aid and a bank of Tomahawk's, as I recall.

[link to civil.ge]

It says the US had also made a number of previous aid shipments by air. I remember that at the time.
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About Georgia war. Let us recall some interesting facts
Israel Planned To Use Georgia Airbases In Iran Attack
8-20-8
[link to rense.com]

Now in Autumn Caucasus is next target. They failed in 2008. After 6 years they will try to ignite war between Azerbaijan (heavily militarized like Georgia was) and Armenia to open corridor for Iran bombing.
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Moscow strategy is to force the truce via Germany, take down poroshenko's gov through dissatisfaction, and continue girkin attacks until the point of open invasion.
 Quoting: Tpotleoz


Disagree. If a truce can hold then Poroshenko becomes an asset to Moscow and Russia will want him to survive. He will have to face down opposition in Kiev but his chocolate business sells to Russia and Moscow has leverage from that. Poroshenko is the best Moscow can do in Kiev right now.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 59607500


I agree, but should the truce hold, and Petro Piggy become a valuabe asset to Russia, IMO his short term life expectancy decreases by a significant margin, and the ones that will want him dead are first and foremost his own compatriots of neo-nazi affiliations.
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US Foreign Policy in freefall either way. WTF are they up to?
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Moscow strategy is to force the truce via Germany, take down poroshenko's gov through dissatisfaction, and continue girkin attacks until the point of open invasion.
 Quoting: Tpotleoz


Disagree. If a truce can hold then Poroshenko becomes an asset to Moscow and Russia will want him to survive. He will have to face down opposition in Kiev but his chocolate business sells to Russia and Moscow has leverage from that. Poroshenko is the best Moscow can do in Kiev right now.
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unlikeley he can 'face down', more likely a bullet will be coming for him.
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The real question, as always, is who provides security for the "leaders". Poroshenko is the best judge of that since it is his life on the line. Who from the west oversees his protection?

Even the US might prefer Poroshenko to another coup because Russia failing to invade is still a real win in the long term. Brzezinski seemed to voice this in a recent speech. Far from being a trap, a Russian invasion would have been a nightmare and a real setback for long term US policy by strengthening Russian nationalism. Poroshenko stabilizing the situation without that happening is a western win. Russia can then be destabilized internally more easily.

It is still Putin who has lost his nerve IMO.
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The Moskal invaders cannot be permitted to perpetuate an invasion of the sovereign state of Ukraine. Did Putler allow NATO or the Americans to bring humanitarian aid to disaffected in the Chechen or Georgian wars? Hell no.

So Ukraine should allow 'humanitarian' aid from the Moskals, delivered by the enemy (Russia), to the people helping whose death and suffering began as a direct result of Putin's invasion of Donetsk and Luhansk. Did Stalin allow Hitler to deliver 'aid' deep into Russian lands?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 40820958


I don't remember any western attempts at humanitarian aid to Chechnya or Georgia. Refresh my memory with a link. Ukraine is scared to death that its civilians will be safe and it will be forced to use legal means to reclaim control of the regions in rebellion. If you want to use moral equivalency arguments Russia would be justified in invading regardless of international law. Is that really where you want to go?

This could be worked out if Kiev wanted to work it out. This is not the first conflict where issues like this have arisen.
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Is that where I want to go? Yes. Tell me, before you attempt to 'justify' the invasion, what international laws does Putin have the right to violate? Define the ways and means said laws must be broken as a result of moral equivalency?
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Strelkov Update

Summary:

All night drones circling above us - more than 10 units at a time. Exploration for artillery, apparently according to ukrs, fits into the "ceasefire".

At night the enemy opened fire several times (including mortar) on the outskirts of the city. There is destruction in the private sector pos.Vostochny.

Su-25 in the morning twice dropped by parachute loads for their parts in Kramatorsk airport and other points. Because of the strong wind most of the cargo was blowed far away and has not reached the destination. Unfortunately, parachutes did not reach us.

Around 13:00 intense mortar fire broke between our positions on Semenovka and stronghold of the enemy at pos.Vostochny. Who started it - it is not clear (I have been told that the enemy. But do not rule out that our soldiers could not resist another shot at advancing along the road of ammunition column). During the firefight from the enemy side mortar fire was led by mine company and (in depth) howitzer battery. On our side, too, had to reconnect "overkilled" "Nona". In addition, a group of soldiers advanced to the post and processed it from the AGS. Part of mortar nests have been destroyed and ukrs exactly have losses. However, to date Semyonovka shelling by the enemy does not stop.

Opponent throws all new units of National guard on our site. Perhaps they hope that there will make 'Svidomi' go to the assault on the city actually. Honestly, I would not try on their place. Though, perhaps, the greatest possible "maydan recycle" is one of the tasks of continuing the war? Then - yes. Makes sense ... '

PS. Meanwhile, the shooting of the Donetsk city by internationally banned weapons continues. Today, the geography of war crimes of the Nazis extended due to Selidovo town 40 km north-west of Donetsk. Night shot incendiary shells:

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Moscow strategy is to force the truce via Germany, take down poroshenko's gov through dissatisfaction, and continue girkin attacks until the point of open invasion.
 Quoting: Tpotleoz


Disagree. If a truce can hold then Poroshenko becomes an asset to Moscow and Russia will want him to survive. He will have to face down opposition in Kiev but his chocolate business sells to Russia and Moscow has leverage from that. Poroshenko is the best Moscow can do in Kiev right now.
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I agree, but should the truce hold, and Petro Piggy become a valuabe asset to Russia, IMO his short term life expectancy decreases by a significant margin, and the ones that will want him dead are first and foremost his own compatriots of neo-nazi affiliations.
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US Foreign Policy in freefall either way. WTF are they up to?
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As a matter of fact yes it is. They are a super power in decline, and one of their goals is to turn all Europe against Russia, encircle it, and neutralize it as a threat to their interests, by all means... Even MAD by nuclear war...
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The Moskal invaders cannot be permitted to perpetuate an invasion of the sovereign state of Ukraine. Did Putler allow NATO or the Americans to bring humanitarian aid to disaffected in the Chechen or Georgian wars? Hell no.

So Ukraine should allow 'humanitarian' aid from the Moskals, delivered by the enemy (Russia), to the people helping whose death and suffering began as a direct result of Putin's invasion of Donetsk and Luhansk. Did Stalin allow Hitler to deliver 'aid' deep into Russian lands?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 40820958


I don't remember any western attempts at humanitarian aid to Chechnya or Georgia. Refresh my memory with a link. Ukraine is scared to death that its civilians will be safe and it will be forced to use legal means to reclaim control of the regions in rebellion. If you want to use moral equivalency arguments Russia would be justified in invading regardless of international law. Is that really where you want to go?

This could be worked out if Kiev wanted to work it out. This is not the first conflict where issues like this have arisen.
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Is that where I want to go? Yes. Tell me, before you attempt to 'justify' the invasion, what international laws does Putin have the right to violate? Define the ways and means said laws must be broken as a result of moral equivalency?
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You misunderstood my meaning. Morality is not an argument in international law. The fact that Russia may have blocked humanitarian aid does not justify Kiev doing likewise. The fact that NATO attacks or invades in violation of international law does not justify Russia doing it. That is the moral equivalency I was referring to.
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Moscow strategy is to force the truce via Germany, take down poroshenko's gov through dissatisfaction, and continue girkin attacks until the point of open invasion.
 Quoting: Tpotleoz


Disagree. If a truce can hold then Poroshenko becomes an asset to Moscow and Russia will want him to survive. He will have to face down opposition in Kiev but his chocolate business sells to Russia and Moscow has leverage from that. Poroshenko is the best Moscow can do in Kiev right now.
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I agree, but should the truce hold, and Petro Piggy become a valuabe asset to Russia, IMO his short term life expectancy decreases by a significant margin, and the ones that will want him dead are first and foremost his own compatriots of neo-nazi affiliations.
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US Foreign Policy in freefall either way. WTF are they up to?
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For a one world order to be installed, the American super-power state must be destroyed or severely crippled. This is explains America today, not only it's foreign policy, but it's domestic policy as well. 17 trillion will never be paid back-period. Dollar will be taken dollar in several stages though.

So massive American military cuts, yes. Unsecured American borders, yes. Corrupted American state to a degree not seen since Caligula, yes.

When you look at events taking place involving America, be they foreign or domestic, and you are trying to make sense of it, step back and ask, "How does this event or action contribute to the destruction of America? How does this weaken America? Why is this happening, does it weaken America?"

Now everything becomes very clear, crystal clear.
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Over the last four months Kharkiv police fired about 200 people.

"During the period of my work about 200 people were laid off, and the best part - for violating the law may separatist views, and the like. The ranks of the police, we recruit really Ukrainian patriots who love their country and want to protect it," - said Head of Ministry of Internal Affairs in Kharkiv region Anatoly Dmitriev, said "Tsenzor.NET" referring to "Interfax-Ukraine".

Commenting on the conflict that occurred in the center of Kharkov June 22 during the protests, he said that the police managed to "stop the slaughter": "We actually managed to stop the carnage. Militia does not matter - it Maidan or Antimaydan. If a person breaks the law, he should be responsible for it respond. eventually, people stood on the Maidan to ensure that the law operates. [link to censor.net.ua]
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Disagree. If a truce can hold then Poroshenko becomes an asset to Moscow and Russia will want him to survive. He will have to face down opposition in Kiev but his chocolate business sells to Russia and Moscow has leverage from that. Poroshenko is the best Moscow can do in Kiev right now.
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I agree, but should the truce hold, and Petro Piggy become a valuabe asset to Russia, IMO his short term life expectancy decreases by a significant margin, and the ones that will want him dead are first and foremost his own compatriots of neo-nazi affiliations.
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US Foreign Policy in freefall either way. WTF are they up to?
 Quoting: Tpotleoz

For a one world order to be installed, the American super-power state must be destroyed or severely crippled. This is explains America today, not only it's foreign policy, but it's domestic policy as well. 17 trillion will never be paid back-period. Dollar will be taken dollar in several stages though.

So massive American military cuts, yes. Unsecured American borders, yes. Corrupted American state to a degree not seen since Caligula, yes.

When you look at events taking place involving America, be they foreign or domestic, and you are trying to make sense of it, step back and ask, "How does this event or action contribute to the destruction of America? How does this weaken America? Why is this happening, does it weaken America?"

Now everything becomes very clear, crystal clear.
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Agreed, they really are losing it...
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#Kiev nazis torturing a 16 year old boy. His crime? Streaming events from #Mariupol on internet. #ukraine #donetsk

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#BREAKING:Battalion "Donbass" demand to end truce. #Ukraine #Russia




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I can see that. either UA fight or get their fucking tanks and equipment out of the district. I would not allow them to just "hang around" until they become stronger. Battalion Donbass just needs to take the fight to them and drive them out. I feel bad for the UA conscripts, as they have no place to go, except to die; either at the hands of their commanders or the Separatists.
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Alien Agenda IV: Alien Ultimatum or Final Warning?
Preston James, Ph.D

Has a Final Warning been delivered by a benevolent Alien ET group that the Super-elite Oligarchs running Planet Earth must quickly clean house or suffer a Final Judgment/Cosmic Reset?

Several top inside sources, including Veterans Today Senior Editor Gordon Duff have claimed that a very serious message was delivered to Super-elite Oligarchs.

It has now been established beyond any reasonable doubt to anyone who examines all available evidence already publicly disclosed that Alien ETs exists; crashed Alien ET anti-gravity vehicles have been recovered and back-engineered; that Alien ETs have frequently visited the Earth; have entered into treaties with the leaders of more than one government; have exchanged ultra high tech alien technology for access to human and animal DNA, have established secret underground and underwater bases for themselves; and have established secret bases with various nations as joint efforts for android development, trans-humanism development, and advanced cloning, hybridization and chimera experimentation.

It has also now pretty clear to some who have access to top insider information that there is a complex Cosmic Space War which is ongoing at this time. This space war involves certain alien ET groups against each other, against human groups, and human groups using alien ET anti-gravity craft against each other.
[link to www.veteranstoday.com]
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For a one world order to be installed, the American super-power state must be destroyed or severely crippled. This is explains America today, not only it's foreign policy, but it's domestic policy as well. 17 trillion will never be paid back-period. Dollar will be taken dollar in several stages though.

So massive American military cuts, yes. Unsecured American borders, yes. Corrupted American state to a degree not seen since Caligula, yes.

When you look at events taking place involving America, be they foreign or domestic, and you are trying to make sense of it, step back and ask, "How does this event or action contribute to the destruction of America? How does this weaken America? Why is this happening, does it weaken America?"

Now everything becomes very clear, crystal clear.
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IMO when the decline of USA as a super power is over, whenever it may be, provided that humanity does survive USAs final decline, there won't be any one world order. There will be a shift of power to the East, and the new undisputed super power state shall be China while the West will be in turmoil. I do not exclude some West European nations becoming a new Islamic Caliphate BTW :) I also think that the USA, after its descine as super power, will disintegrate into smaller parts...
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Russia calls reservists

'Urge in 2014 citizens of the Russian Federation,
reservists to undergo military training for up to
two months in the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, in
Internal Troops of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of the Russian
Federation, bodies of state protection, federal agencies
security. '

[link to pravo.gov.ru:8080]
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06/27/2014, Ukrainian armored vehicles patrolling the border


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Patroling a small part of the border, the border is Very very long lots of open space big big big.
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#Kiev nazis torturing a 16 year old boy. His crime? Streaming events from #Mariupol on internet. #ukraine #donetsk

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National Guard will be held responsible for all committed atrocities: Oleg Tsarev
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The Moskal invaders cannot be permitted to perpetuate an invasion of the sovereign state of Ukraine. Did Putler allow NATO or the Americans to bring humanitarian aid to disaffected in the Chechen or Georgian wars? Hell no.

So Ukraine should allow 'humanitarian' aid from the Moskals, delivered by the enemy (Russia), to the people helping whose death and suffering began as a direct result of Putin's invasion of Donetsk and Luhansk. Did Stalin allow Hitler to deliver 'aid' deep into Russian lands?
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I don't remember any western attempts at humanitarian aid to Chechnya or Georgia. Refresh my memory with a link. Ukraine is scared to death that its civilians will be safe and it will be forced to use legal means to reclaim control of the regions in rebellion. If you want to use moral equivalency arguments Russia would be justified in invading regardless of international law. Is that really where you want to go?

This could be worked out if Kiev wanted to work it out. This is not the first conflict where issues like this have arisen.
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Is that where I want to go? Yes. Tell me, before you attempt to 'justify' the invasion, what international laws does Putin have the right to violate? Define the ways and means said laws must be broken as a result of moral equivalency?
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You misunderstood my meaning. Morality is not an argument in international law. The fact that Russia may have blocked humanitarian aid does not justify Kiev doing likewise. The fact that NATO attacks or invades in violation of international law does not justify Russia doing it. That is the moral equivalency I was referring to.
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Whether or not there is a precedent is the aspect I am concerned with.
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#Kiev nazis torturing a 16 year old boy. His crime? Streaming events from #Mariupol on internet. #ukraine #donetsk

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Streamer Vlad: Torture practice of teenagers - practice of Ukrainian Europeans
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For a one world order to be installed, the American super-power state must be destroyed or severely crippled. This is explains America today, not only it's foreign policy, but it's domestic policy as well. 17 trillion will never be paid back-period. Dollar will be taken dollar in several stages though.

So massive American military cuts, yes. Unsecured American borders, yes. Corrupted American state to a degree not seen since Caligula, yes.

When you look at events taking place involving America, be they foreign or domestic, and you are trying to make sense of it, step back and ask, "How does this event or action contribute to the destruction of America? How does this weaken America? Why is this happening, does it weaken America?"

Now everything becomes very clear, crystal clear.
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IMO when the decline of USA as a super power is over, whenever it may be, provided that humanity does survive USAs final decline, there won't be any one world order. There will be a shift of power to the East, and the new undisputed super power state shall be China while the West will be in turmoil. I do not exclude some West European nations becoming a new Islamic Caliphate BTW :) I also think that the USA, after its descine as super power, will disintegrate into smaller parts...
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A popular view. I resisted the idea of an Eastern state (China, India) filling the American power gap for one simple reason-over-population. The one consistent ideal or tenant I've seen in the globalist agenda is reducing the population. I seen evidence of in China, Europe, Mexico, Canada, America, all over. The fact that the American elite have spent trillions building these fantastic underground cities all over the country suggests to me, the Earth's surface may become unfit for human habitation, which will massively cull the population.
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Wait. The Russians had Archduke Franz Ferdinand assassinated?
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"I'm sorry Porky but those no-good NAF stole a bunch of Mi-28 gunships, i can't understand, they steal everything !" pic.twitter.com/RraTTnvW9M
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28 June 1914: Uncovering the Sarajevo Assassination

June 27, 2014

One hundred years ago, the most consequential assassination in modern times occurred. It was the most famous too, since the murder of Archduke Franz Ferdinand and his wife Sophie in Sarajevo set off a chain of events that led, a month later, to the start of the Great War, a catastrophe that took ten million lives and pretty much destroyed European civilization. The effects of that live on today, in many places: in Iraq, jihadists right now are tearing up the borders of their country that were drawn up by the victors of the Great War, from the corpse of the Ottoman Empire, which suffered its final defeat in 1918.

Yet another brilliant and incising article from Dr. John Schindler.

Link to the complete article. [link to 20committee.com]
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Donetsk People's Republic says 4 OSCE observers remaining in captivity will be released tonight

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28 June 1914: Uncovering the Sarajevo Assassination

June 27, 2014

One hundred years ago, the most consequential assassination in modern times occurred. It was the most famous too, since the murder of Archduke Franz Ferdinand and his wife Sophie in Sarajevo set off a chain of events that led, a month later, to the start of the Great War, a catastrophe that took ten million lives and pretty much destroyed European civilization. The effects of that live on today, in many places: in Iraq, jihadists right now are tearing up the borders of their country that were drawn up by the victors of the Great War, from the corpse of the Ottoman Empire, which suffered its final defeat in 1918.

Yet another brilliant and incising article from Dr. John Schindler.

Link to the complete article. [link to 20committee.com]
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"Dr." John Schindler, a russophobe is by extension a serbophobe. what a great surprise.
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