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This latest picture post tells me that, in fact, you do not have the sufficient education to understand what I wrote. Everything I wrote can be fact-checked. A Macro Econ 101 class, FFS, teaches these simple principles. Had you any idea about monetary policy you would have engaged me in a discussion. You're spreading disinformation and it is harmful to a thread which seeks to promote discussion and endeavors to find the truth. Fact check anything I said.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 59249818


I happen to be an economist myself. Neither Russian, nor American. And can tell you: the world is able to live without USD hegemony. And it can be declared or happen on de facto basis.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27797357

Well that makes two of us. My credentials can be found Hong Kong Baptist University's website. The fact is, right now, the US dollar is the only world currency, that is not pegged, it economic and financial systems are completely transparent (unlike China), and it provides the needed liquidity to the world. Now you're an economist so you know that no other currency in the world, right now, is capable of doing that. Two yeras ago we (in the economics community) were looking at serious Euro depreciation b/c of a number of systemic issues in the EU economy and the EUro was thought to maybe reemerge and challenge the dollar-nope.
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That cute mainstream point of view. I am not into pointing the untrue or misleading information you have produced (eg. USD as the only unpegged currency)... you have just missed the point:

it is not a matter of switching from one currency to another, but a matter of the single reserve currency system evolving.
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The US dollar isn't going anywhere, anytime soon, period. You can't just 'drop' a global reserve currency, it has to be replaced with another currency. The daily global Forex market is 5.3 trillion USD, per day. 85% of that is US dollars. 68% of all the worlds nation's reserve currency is US dollars. As it stands right now, it is impossible for China to be a global reserve currency. The Yuan is a pegged currency, same with Ruble. The initial capitalization of the so-called brics bank will be 50 billion ...in US dollars...Is this thread interested in the truth? Right now, the economics and financials being thrown around on this thread, the vast majority anyway, is misinformation or ignorance. It is certainly not reality.
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US assets are so leveraged that the slightest loss of value in the dollar could start a chain reaction
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One question, how is it possible the US has a deficit of 17 trillion, yet their currency has not collapsed? I ask b/c the answer, will in part, answer your question.
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because the FED is buying most of the US debt issuance, and there is a lot of foreign demand for USD because of its reserve currency status
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And it is backed by a country who's gnp hovers around 16.7 trillion per year. Without that economic might dollar would have already collapsed.
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The US dollar isn't going anywhere, anytime soon, period. You can't just 'drop' a global reserve currency, it has to be replaced with another currency. The daily global Forex market is 5.3 trillion USD, per day. 85% of that is US dollars. 68% of all the worlds nation's reserve currency is US dollars. As it stands right now, it is impossible for China to be a global reserve currency. The Yuan is a pegged currency, same with Ruble. The initial capitalization of the so-called brics bank will be 50 billion ...in US dollars...Is this thread interested in the truth? Right now, the economics and financials being thrown around on this thread, the vast majority anyway, is misinformation or ignorance. It is certainly not reality.
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shill
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This latest picture post tells me that, in fact, you do not have the sufficient education to understand what I wrote. Everything I wrote can be fact-checked. A Macro Econ 101 class, FFS, teaches these simple principles. Had you any idea about monetary policy you would have engaged me in a discussion. You're spreading disinformation and it is harmful to a thread which seeks to promote discussion and endeavors to find the truth. Fact check anything I said.
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I happen to be an economist myself. Neither Russian, nor American. And can tell you: the world is able to live without USD hegemony. And it can be declared or happen on de facto basis.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27797357


And you left out the Chineese renminbi which is not pegged to the dollar and is being used by international corporations for payment.
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US assets are so leveraged that the slightest loss of value in the dollar could start a chain reaction
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 55004405

One question, how is it possible the US has a deficit of 17 trillion, yet their currency has not collapsed? I ask b/c the answer, will in part, answer your question.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 59249818


because the FED is buying most of the US debt issuance, and there is a lot of foreign demand for USD because of its reserve currency status
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And it is backed by a country who's gnp hovers around 16.7 trillion per year. Without that economic might dollar would have already collapsed.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 59249818


Problem is those GDP numbers are based on a lot of assets that don't have real value, it's a giant bubble financed by fiat money created out of thin air. Once the domino stones start falling it will be ugly and it will be quick, US should be more responsible with its outside policies because it depends on outside USD demand without which the motion could be set off that would collapse this house of cards
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This latest picture post tells me that, in fact, you do not have the sufficient education to understand what I wrote. Everything I wrote can be fact-checked. A Macro Econ 101 class, FFS, teaches these simple principles. Had you any idea about monetary policy you would have engaged me in a discussion. You're spreading disinformation and it is harmful to a thread which seeks to promote discussion and endeavors to find the truth. Fact check anything I said.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 59249818


I happen to be an economist myself. Neither Russian, nor American. And can tell you: the world is able to live without USD hegemony. And it can be declared or happen on de facto basis.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27797357

Well that makes two of us. My credentials can be found Hong Kong Baptist University's website. The fact is, right now, the US dollar is the only world currency, that is not pegged, it economic and financial systems are completely transparent (unlike China), and it provides the needed liquidity to the world. Now you're an economist so you know that no other currency in the world, right now, is capable of doing that. Two yeras ago we (in the economics community) were looking at serious Euro depreciation b/c of a number of systemic issues in the EU economy and the EUro was thought to maybe reemerge and challenge the dollar-nope.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 59249818


That cute mainstream point of view. I am not into pointing the untrue or misleading information you have produced (eg. USD as the only unpegged currency)... you have just missed the point:

it is not a matter of switching from one currency to another, but a matter of the single reserve currency system evolving.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27797357

I said the other currencies you hear about replacing the dollar eg Yuan, Ruble, here in this forum, are pegged currencies. I have little idea of what you mean evolving. We know what constitutes reserve status, and the US dollar is currently the best and really only option.
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This latest picture post tells me that, in fact, you do not have the sufficient education to understand what I wrote. Everything I wrote can be fact-checked. A Macro Econ 101 class, FFS, teaches these simple principles. Had you any idea about monetary policy you would have engaged me in a discussion. You're spreading disinformation and it is harmful to a thread which seeks to promote discussion and endeavors to find the truth. Fact check anything I said.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 59249818


I happen to be an economist myself. Neither Russian, nor American. And can tell you: the world is able to live without USD hegemony. And it can be declared or happen on de facto basis.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27797357


And you left out the Chineese renminbi which is not pegged to the dollar and is being used by international corporations for payment.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 6176722

Again not true, the Yuan is NOT a free-floating currency. Of course, like almost all nations, there are trade agreements where the US dollar is not the medium of exchange. Yuan is pegged.
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Cheers, I'm moving on.
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I happen to be an economist myself. Neither Russian, nor American. And can tell you: the world is able to live without USD hegemony. And it can be declared or happen on de facto basis.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27797357

Well that makes two of us. My credentials can be found Hong Kong Baptist University's website. The fact is, right now, the US dollar is the only world currency, that is not pegged, it economic and financial systems are completely transparent (unlike China), and it provides the needed liquidity to the world. Now you're an economist so you know that no other currency in the world, right now, is capable of doing that. Two yeras ago we (in the economics community) were looking at serious Euro depreciation b/c of a number of systemic issues in the EU economy and the EUro was thought to maybe reemerge and challenge the dollar-nope.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 59249818


That cute mainstream point of view. I am not into pointing the untrue or misleading information you have produced (eg. USD as the only unpegged currency)... you have just missed the point:

it is not a matter of switching from one currency to another, but a matter of the single reserve currency system evolving.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27797357

I said the other currencies you hear about replacing the dollar eg Yuan, Ruble, here in this forum, are pegged currencies. I have little idea of what you mean evolving. We know what constitutes reserve status, and the US dollar is currently the best and really only option.
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You're still not getting it, don't ya? I do not care about currency beauty contest. I've just said as the states can function with multiple legal tenders, so the world can exist with multiple reserve currencies.
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Guess I was right - Russian invasion within 3 months (by 7/16).

Goodnight Ukraine.
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Why do you expect a Russian invasion? NAF reports essentially suggest the tide is turning in the Southeast. The European defectors mean that Ukraine's supply of European money is likely to dry up soon. IMF can't certify loans with existing risk. Russia's defense against major sanctions is likely predicated on not openly intervening. EU friends need that fig leaf to stand up to the US for now. Only if Kiev looks like it will win will Russia intervene IMO. I don't see that happening based on current reports.

Kiev is now scared of Maidan as its lies about success come home to roost. I think that is the real reason they are trying to shut it down now.
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Russia and China will dismantle (destroy) the NWO.
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This latest picture post tells me that, in fact, you do not have the sufficient education to understand what I wrote. Everything I wrote can be fact-checked. A Macro Econ 101 class, FFS, teaches these simple principles. Had you any idea about monetary policy you would have engaged me in a discussion. You're spreading disinformation and it is harmful to a thread which seeks to promote discussion and endeavors to find the truth. Fact check anything I said.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 59249818


I happen to be an economist myself. Neither Russian, nor American. And can tell you: the world is able to live without USD hegemony. And it can be declared or happen on de facto basis.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27797357


And you left out the Chineese renminbi which is not pegged to the dollar and is being used by international corporations for payment.
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Again not true, the Yuan is NOT a free-floating currency. Of course, like almost all nations, there are trade agreements where the US dollar is not the medium of exchange. Yuan is pegged.
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It's semantics really but the Yuan/renminbi was allowed to "un-peg" from the dollar at one time, and now has the is in position to be more of a free floating currency that can be exchanged for a basket of currencies much like the idea of the SDR.
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Guess I was right - Russian invasion within 3 months (by 7/16).

Goodnight Ukraine.
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Why do you expect a Russian invasion? NAF reports essentially suggest the tide is turning in the Southeast. The European defectors mean that Ukraine's supply of European money is likely to dry up soon. IMF can't certify loans with existing risk. Russia's defense against major sanctions is likely predicated on not openly intervening. EU friends need that fig leaf to stand up to the US for now. Only if Kiev looks like it will win will Russia intervene IMO. I don't see that happening based on current reports.

Kiev is now scared of Maidan as its lies about success come home to roost. I think that is the real reason they are trying to shut it down now.
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Good logic.

Hard to call at this point as it appears we have a slow motion invasion going on.

A dozen or so armor elements infiltrating every night under the cover of darkness who then split up into small groups on different routes.

Classic sneak attack

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Russia and China will dismantle (destroy) the NWO.
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nope, they will create their form of NWO with another name. Russia had 1000 years history of slavery and China about 5000 years of slavery.
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Guess I was right - Russian invasion within 3 months (by 7/16).

Goodnight Ukraine.
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Why do you expect a Russian invasion? NAF reports essentially suggest the tide is turning in the Southeast. The European defectors mean that Ukraine's supply of European money is likely to dry up soon. IMF can't certify loans with existing risk. Russia's defense against major sanctions is likely predicated on not openly intervening. EU friends need that fig leaf to stand up to the US for now. Only if Kiev looks like it will win will Russia intervene IMO. I don't see that happening based on current reports.

Kiev is now scared of Maidan as its lies about success come home to roost. I think that is the real reason they are trying to shut it down now.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 54766230


Good logic.

Hard to call at this point as it appears we have a slow motion invasion going on.

A dozen or so armor elements infiltrating every night under the cover of darkness who then split up into small groups on different routes.

Classic sneak attack
 Quoting: PIR


I think that is likely but the lack of real proof of all the charges of heave equipment coming from Russia is starting to make me wonder what the truth really is. I always assumed Russia was lying but even the latest US State Department fact sheet still relies on "assessments" and video to support the charges. I am starting to wonder if it is true that a lot of heavy weapons theft and smuggling into Ukraine actually preceded the war. We don't live in an age of real proof but where are the satellite images of Russian columns, before and after crossing the border? These isolated ambiguous pictures are starting to make me wonder about what I had always taken for granted. Certainly as to scale.
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Guess I was right - Russian invasion within 3 months (by 7/16).

Goodnight Ukraine.
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Why do you expect a Russian invasion? NAF reports essentially suggest the tide is turning in the Southeast. The European defectors mean that Ukraine's supply of European money is likely to dry up soon. IMF can't certify loans with existing risk. Russia's defense against major sanctions is likely predicated on not openly intervening. EU friends need that fig leaf to stand up to the US for now. Only if Kiev looks like it will win will Russia intervene IMO. I don't see that happening based on current reports.

Kiev is now scared of Maidan as its lies about success come home to roost. I think that is the real reason they are trying to shut it down now.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 54766230


Good logic.

Hard to call at this point as it appears we have a slow motion invasion going on.

A dozen or so armor elements infiltrating every night under the cover of darkness who then split up into small groups on different routes.

Classic sneak attack
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Only thing missing are Mexican children.
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Why won't Russia and China just attack America and make everybody's life better instantly? wtf for ffs?
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Russia and China will dismantle (destroy) the NWO.
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No, they want to create their own NWO, where they dominate others. You think they are better then US/EU masters? Think again...

For 5000 years of written history we have wars, emerging of empires, their repression towards small counties and at last their demise, just to be replaced by next cycle of empire creation process.

Don't look what IS NOW, or what will happen this year. Ask yourself what will be in 5 years, 50 years or 500 years.

If someone says that there would be no more wars (or world wars) that's statistically almost impossible (considering 5000 years of data). If someone says that USA will prevail that's statistically almost impossible. Look around you right now, in thousand years everything you see now will be no more.

As each nation rises, so is rising their aspiration of domination toward its neighbours. You can run isolation doctrine for a decade, for a century, but not for eternity. You can praise one man and his policies, and he may be greatest and enlightened and bring prosperity and justice to all of the world. But the time will come when he be no more. Who will replace him and what will happen?

Time will come when our planet will be united and under rule of global centralized government. Maybe time will come where our planet is governed by some power far away in our galaxy. NWO is coming, maybe in 5, 50 or 500 years. Its the basic principle of evolution.

take care...
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Why won't Russia and China just attack America and make everybody's life better instantly? wtf for ffs?
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because their new strategy is to beat the NWO Financial Criminals at their own game.

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Guess I was right - Russian invasion within 3 months (by 7/16).

Goodnight Ukraine.
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Why do you expect a Russian invasion? NAF reports essentially suggest the tide is turning in the Southeast. The European defectors mean that Ukraine's supply of European money is likely to dry up soon. IMF can't certify loans with existing risk. Russia's defense against major sanctions is likely predicated on not openly intervening. EU friends need that fig leaf to stand up to the US for now. Only if Kiev looks like it will win will Russia intervene IMO. I don't see that happening based on current reports.

Kiev is now scared of Maidan as its lies about success come home to roost. I think that is the real reason they are trying to shut it down now.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 54766230


Good logic.

Hard to call at this point as it appears we have a slow motion invasion going on.

A dozen or so armor elements infiltrating every night under the cover of darkness who then split up into small groups on different routes.

Classic sneak attack
 Quoting: PIR


I think that is likely but the lack of real proof of all the charges of heave equipment coming from Russia is starting to make me wonder what the truth really is. I always assumed Russia was lying but even the latest US State Department fact sheet still relies on "assessments" and video to support the charges. I am starting to wonder if it is true that a lot of heavy weapons theft and smuggling into Ukraine actually preceded the war. We don't live in an age of real proof but where are the satellite images of Russian columns, before and after crossing the border? These isolated ambiguous pictures are starting to make me wonder about what I had always taken for granted. Certainly as to scale.
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Massive drills for the last 5 months along Ukrainian border, massing huge army and then pulling back. And then again moving to border? Clouds and rain days higher then usual, you can sneak in very easily across uncontrolled border...
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When will Europe dissolve NATO and expel ALL American military presence from Europe and why hasn't it happened already?
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#BREAKINGNEWS THE RUSSIAN ARMY OCCUPIES THE CENTER OF #DONETSK CITY TONIGHT.
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Western Ukraine: Mothers protest against sending their childrens to ATO in eastern Ukraine:



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sad sad sad.....mindless youths fighting their slavic brothers for a KHAZAR president elected after the democratically elected Ukrainian govt was overthrown by a coup seeded by the USA, NATO and ISRAEL.


Enough said.

Khazar killing slavs. Talmudic prophesy.

Leave the EAST alone. Go home to your families.
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Russia and China will dismantle (destroy) the NWO.
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No, they want to create their own NWO, where they dominate others. You think they are better then US/EU masters? Think again...

For 5000 years of written history we have wars, emerging of empires, their repression towards small counties and at last their demise, just to be replaced by next cycle of empire creation process.

Don't look what IS NOW, or what will happen this year. Ask yourself what will be in 5 years, 50 years or 500 years.

If someone says that there would be no more wars (or world wars) that's statistically almost impossible (considering 5000 years of data). If someone says that USA will prevail that's statistically almost impossible. Look around you right now, in thousand years everything you see now will be no more.

As each nation rises, so is rising their aspiration of domination toward its neighbours. You can run isolation doctrine for a decade, for a century, but not for eternity. You can praise one man and his policies, and he may be greatest and enlightened and bring prosperity and justice to all of the world. But the time will come when he be no more. Who will replace him and what will happen?

Time will come when our planet will be united and under rule of global centralized government. Maybe time will come where our planet is governed by some power far away in our galaxy. NWO is coming, maybe in 5, 50 or 500 years. Its the basic principle of evolution.

take care...
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tbh I trust them more than the US occult entourage of cabalist zionist illuminazi Baphomet worshipers. Nothing can be worse than that
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SHOCKING! Neo-Nazi Azov Battalion #A30B volunteer wearing British Army uniform and the Union Jack flag... #Ukraine
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When will Europe dissolve NATO and expel ALL American military presence from Europe and why hasn't it happened already?
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That will start to happen, when US backed Nazi coup will lose Ukraine and it will be obvious that Ukrainian people do not want to go war with Russia.
Nobody will want US proxy wars then but will want to make business.
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Just another one to the collection from Makiivka:


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if mothers tried to do that in Nazi america they would be thrown in jail.

Wake up Americans
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Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387
Russia and China will dismantle (destroy) the NWO.
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No, they want to create their own NWO, where they dominate others. You think they are better then US/EU masters? Think again...

For 5000 years of written history we have wars, emerging of empires, their repression towards small counties and at last their demise, just to be replaced by next cycle of empire creation process.

Don't look what IS NOW, or what will happen this year. Ask yourself what will be in 5 years, 50 years or 500 years.

If someone says that there would be no more wars (or world wars) that's statistically almost impossible (considering 5000 years of data). If someone says that USA will prevail that's statistically almost impossible. Look around you right now, in thousand years everything you see now will be no more.

As each nation rises, so is rising their aspiration of domination toward its neighbours. You can run isolation doctrine for a decade, for a century, but not for eternity. You can praise one man and his policies, and he may be greatest and enlightened and bring prosperity and justice to all of the world. But the time will come when he be no more. Who will replace him and what will happen?

Time will come when our planet will be united and under rule of global centralized government. Maybe time will come where our planet is governed by some power far away in our galaxy. NWO is coming, maybe in 5, 50 or 500 years. Its the basic principle of evolution.

take care...
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tbh I trust them more than the US occult entourage of cabalist zionist illuminazi Baphomet worshipers. Nothing can be worse than that
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That is the Evil you are talking about. No matter East or West, Evil will prevail. Most people don't notice funny little fact - Evil has a great advantage over Good - it can pretend to be Good. That's why it can be good for a moment, and then out of sudden all hell break loose. And I'm talking about eternal inner battle in every human being, not gods and angels... In the end a lot of people will die for nothing...
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Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387
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Why do you expect a Russian invasion? NAF reports essentially suggest the tide is turning in the Southeast. The European defectors mean that Ukraine's supply of European money is likely to dry up soon. IMF can't certify loans with existing risk. Russia's defense against major sanctions is likely predicated on not openly intervening. EU friends need that fig leaf to stand up to the US for now. Only if Kiev looks like it will win will Russia intervene IMO. I don't see that happening based on current reports.

Kiev is now scared of Maidan as its lies about success come home to roost. I think that is the real reason they are trying to shut it down now.
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Good logic.

Hard to call at this point as it appears we have a slow motion invasion going on.

A dozen or so armor elements infiltrating every night under the cover of darkness who then split up into small groups on different routes.

Classic sneak attack
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I think that is likely but the lack of real proof of all the charges of heave equipment coming from Russia is starting to make me wonder what the truth really is. I always assumed Russia was lying but even the latest US State Department fact sheet still relies on "assessments" and video to support the charges. I am starting to wonder if it is true that a lot of heavy weapons theft and smuggling into Ukraine actually preceded the war. We don't live in an age of real proof but where are the satellite images of Russian columns, before and after crossing the border? These isolated ambiguous pictures are starting to make me wonder about what I had always taken for granted. Certainly as to scale.
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Massive drills for the last 5 months along Ukrainian border, massing huge army and then pulling back. And then again moving to border? Clouds and rain days higher then usual, you can sneak in very easily across uncontrolled border...
 Quoting: iObserve 60265831


Please understand, I am not in denial. I don't know how "easy" it is when the stakes are high and the incentive to provide real public proof seemingly matches the stakes. Right now proof would be a big embarrassment for EU countries adamantly resisting sanctions. Those countries seem confident enough to resist US pressure right now. What is easy and what is hard really involves a judgment about the technology of detection. For whatever reason we are expected to reach our final conclusion more on suspicion than real proof. That is why I am backing off even though it wouldn't surprise me in the least.

I was sure they would "find" WMD's in Iraq too, even if they had to plant them. I get surprised a lot because everything seems weird when the real truth emerges. Russia now says they are sending a man to the moon in 2030. More "wagging the moondoggie" if you know what I mean.





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