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Looks like the Confederate stars and bars on the second tank.

Must be the Jeb Stuart Volunteers from E Tennessee.
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It does look cool doesnt it! Now imagine American militia in tanks heading towards Mexican border. The ultimate of awesomness.

resist
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A lot of Americans might be imagining them with those rebel battle flags headed in the opposite direction.
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What direction would that be? 1dunno1 Canada?
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Washington DC genius. Then off to NYC to occupy the Federal Reserve Bank and start arresting the crony-capitalists.
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RUSSIA CONSIDERING URGENT RESPONSE TO SERIOUS ESCALATION IN DONETSK
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Oooh oooh! What what??? =)
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If and when the Pols activate their reserve forces to immediate combat ready alert status - then I'll begin to follow the events more closely.
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In case you do not know it, reservists in Poland have not undergone any military training in the last eight years.

Most of the Polish military are literally a bunch of pencil-pushers, chaplains, generals, cooks, quartermasters; out of 98 500 troops in the Polish military, there are no more than 30 000 real combat troops.



[link to michalw.narod.ru]



Russians, do not forget your former Polish comrades-in-arms.
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I have to disagre. Poles have an old reputation of having brute men. Where you see pencil-pushers and cooks I see brutal motherfuckers not like any in western Europe. peace



Aside youtube vids Polish fighters were well respected by allies and feared from enemy in WW2.
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438 Ukrainian military deserted to Russia today!

ROSTOV-ON-DON, August 4 (RIA Novosti) – More than 400 Ukrainian military personnel requested refugee status from Russian border guards on Monday and Russia’s Federal Security Service (FSB) has opened a corridor for the soldiers, a spokesman for the border control agency told RIA Novosti.

“Overnight 438 Ukrainian military personnel turned to Russian border guards with a request for refugee [status],” the head of the FSB’s border control in the southern Russian region of Rostov, Vasily Malaeyev, said.

Border control authorities have opened a humanitarian corridor and have allowed refugees into Russia. Among the 438 personnel, 164 are employees of Ukraine’s State Border Service.
[link to en.ria.ru]
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THANK GOD

A lot of families can sleep at peace tonight knowing their sons and fathers are safe and not fighting these Israeli Billionaire President's war.
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you're no phd, your putin rhetoric makes you stick out like a cleft harelip. lol
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I am. I am smart enough to know the if the Czar was never overthrown by the money powers who installed Bolshevik zionists, that communist USSR would never have happened.

Learn from the past to avoid the future mistakes
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Losses for Ukr army

The Figures Include:

2,590 extremists of the Right Sector, for the most part, who joined the so-called “National Guard” (sic). Major General Sergei Kulchitsky, head of combat training of the “National Guard” (sic), was killed near Slavyansk, Donetsk People’s Republic (DNR), Novorossiya (SRN), on 29 May 2014. Colonel Radievsky, commander of the Chernigov Battalion of the “National Guard” (sic), was killed in Lisichansk, Lugansk People’s Republic (LNR), SRN, on 21 July 2014. Lieutenant Colonel Snitsar, the commander of the Kirovograd Battalion of the “National Guard” (sic), was killed in Lisichansk, LNR, SRN, on 23 July 2014.

2,150 domestic mercenaries from I V Kolomoisky’s “battalions”)

115 SBU officers (Sumy Alpha Group completely destroyed, other Alpha Groups from Kiev, Poltava, Ternopol, Ivano-Frankovsk, Lvov, Rovno, Lutsk, Volyn, Vinnitsa, and Zhitomir suffered heavy losses)

334 foreign mercenaries, including:

“ASBS Othago” (Polish PMC) had 139 losses
“Greystone” (American PMC) had 44 losses
“Academi” (American PMC, known as “Blackwater” until 2009) had 125 losses
Baltic female snipers had 26 losses
200 troops of the 95 Airmobile Brigade (Zhitomir)

480 troops of the 25 Airmobile Brigade (Dnepropetrovsk)

480 troops of the 79 Airmobile Brigade (Nikolayev)

490 troops of the 24 Mechanised Brigade (Yavorov, Lvov Oblast)

190 troops of the 80 Airmobile Regiment (Lvov)

70 troops of the 3 Spetsnaz Regiment (Kirovograd)

30 troops of the 8 Spetsnaz Regiment (Khmelnitsky)

10 troops of the 10 Separate Brigade of the Spetsnaz of the GRU of the Minoborony Ukrainy (Kiev)

190 troops of the 93 Mechanised Brigade (Cherkasskoe, Novomoskovsk Raion, Dnepropetrovsk Oblast)

360 troops of the 72 Mechanised Brigade (Belaya Tserkov, Kiev Oblast)

110 troops of the 28 Separate Guards Mechanised Brigade (Chernomorskoe, Kominternov Raion, Odessa Oblast)

100 troops of the 128 Mountain-Infantry Brigade (Mukačevo, Zakarpatskaya Oblast)

100 troops from territorial defence battalions

80 troops of the 1 Tank Brigade (Goncharovskoe, Chernigov Oblast)

55 troops of the Lugansk border detachment

55 troops of the Donetsk border detachment

30 troops of the 51 Army Aviation Brigade of the “National Guard” (sic) (Aleksandriya, Kirovograd Oblast)

35 troops of the 16 Army Aviation Brigade (Brody, Lvov Oblast)

40 troops of the 831 Combat Aviation Brigade (Mirgorod, Poltava Oblast)

5 troops of the 114 Tactical Aviation Brigade (Ivano-Frankovsk, Ivano-Frankovsk Oblast)

30 troops of the 299 Combat Aviation Brigade (Nikolayev)

9 troops of the 25 Air Transport Brigade (Melitopol, Zaporozhe Oblast), Il-76 crewmembers

5 troops killed in the shootdown of an An-30 recon aircraft near Chuguev (Kharkov Oblast) on 6 June 2014

25 CIA officers and FBI agents (13 killed, 12 wounded)

50 MVDU personnel

******
DESTROYED EQUIPMENT
1 unknown aircraft downed on 30 July 2014
2 An-26 aircraft
1 An-30 reconnaissance aircraft
2 Il-76 transport aircraft
16 Su-25 attack aircraft + 1 more Su-25 captured in the LNR on 7 July 2014
7 Su-24 aircraft
5 drones
19 combat helicopters (Mi-8/17/24)
185 T-64 tanks
7 T-72 tanks
1 “Bulat” tank
5 Hummers
1 Jeep
19 GAZ-66 trucks
1 staff vehicle
1 mobile crane
1 ZIL-131 trucks
26 Ural trucks
29 Kamaz trucks
3 UAZ-469 off-road vehicles
3 Nona self-propelled mortars
2 2S3 Akatsiya self-propelled howitzers
2 ZU-23-2 towed anti-aircraft twin-barrelled autocannons
8 truck-mounted Grad multiple rocket launchers
6 Uragan self-propelled multiple rocket launcher systems
23 D-30 howitzers
17 122 mm mortars
103 BMP infantry fighting vehicles
94 BMD amphibious infantry fighting vehicles
211 BTR armoured personnel carriers

SOURCE:
Igor Panarin, political scientist, PhD in Psychology, Doctor of Political Sciences, member of the Academy of Military Sciences. Member of the Scientific and Methodological Council of the Central Election Commission of the Russian Federation, a member of the Expert Council Committee on CIS Affairs of the RF Federation Council.
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:this1:
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Bullshit ! Let Russians tell us how many thye have lost !
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Militias report surrender of over 700 Ukrainian troops in Donetsk region [link to en.itar-tass.com]
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AJSB ‏@A_J_S_B 1 Min.
UPDATE:
Strelkov DENIES the surrender of the 702 #Ukraine soldiers, so it's confirmed that was unconfirmed :p
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Losses for Ukr army

The Figures Include:

2,590 extremists of the Right Sector, for the most part, who joined the so-called “National Guard” (sic). Major General Sergei Kulchitsky, head of combat training of the “National Guard” (sic), was killed near Slavyansk, Donetsk People’s Republic (DNR), Novorossiya (SRN), on 29 May 2014. Colonel Radievsky, commander of the Chernigov Battalion of the “National Guard” (sic), was killed in Lisichansk, Lugansk People’s Republic (LNR), SRN, on 21 July 2014. Lieutenant Colonel Snitsar, the commander of the Kirovograd Battalion of the “National Guard” (sic), was killed in Lisichansk, LNR, SRN, on 23 July 2014.

2,150 domestic mercenaries from I V Kolomoisky’s “battalions”)

115 SBU officers (Sumy Alpha Group completely destroyed, other Alpha Groups from Kiev, Poltava, Ternopol, Ivano-Frankovsk, Lvov, Rovno, Lutsk, Volyn, Vinnitsa, and Zhitomir suffered heavy losses)

334 foreign mercenaries, including:

“ASBS Othago” (Polish PMC) had 139 losses
“Greystone” (American PMC) had 44 losses
“Academi” (American PMC, known as “Blackwater” until 2009) had 125 losses
Baltic female snipers had 26 losses
200 troops of the 95 Airmobile Brigade (Zhitomir)

480 troops of the 25 Airmobile Brigade (Dnepropetrovsk)

480 troops of the 79 Airmobile Brigade (Nikolayev)

490 troops of the 24 Mechanised Brigade (Yavorov, Lvov Oblast)

190 troops of the 80 Airmobile Regiment (Lvov)

70 troops of the 3 Spetsnaz Regiment (Kirovograd)

30 troops of the 8 Spetsnaz Regiment (Khmelnitsky)

10 troops of the 10 Separate Brigade of the Spetsnaz of the GRU of the Minoborony Ukrainy (Kiev)

190 troops of the 93 Mechanised Brigade (Cherkasskoe, Novomoskovsk Raion, Dnepropetrovsk Oblast)

360 troops of the 72 Mechanised Brigade (Belaya Tserkov, Kiev Oblast)

110 troops of the 28 Separate Guards Mechanised Brigade (Chernomorskoe, Kominternov Raion, Odessa Oblast)

100 troops of the 128 Mountain-Infantry Brigade (Mukačevo, Zakarpatskaya Oblast)

100 troops from territorial defence battalions

80 troops of the 1 Tank Brigade (Goncharovskoe, Chernigov Oblast)

55 troops of the Lugansk border detachment

55 troops of the Donetsk border detachment

30 troops of the 51 Army Aviation Brigade of the “National Guard” (sic) (Aleksandriya, Kirovograd Oblast)

35 troops of the 16 Army Aviation Brigade (Brody, Lvov Oblast)

40 troops of the 831 Combat Aviation Brigade (Mirgorod, Poltava Oblast)

5 troops of the 114 Tactical Aviation Brigade (Ivano-Frankovsk, Ivano-Frankovsk Oblast)

30 troops of the 299 Combat Aviation Brigade (Nikolayev)

9 troops of the 25 Air Transport Brigade (Melitopol, Zaporozhe Oblast), Il-76 crewmembers

5 troops killed in the shootdown of an An-30 recon aircraft near Chuguev (Kharkov Oblast) on 6 June 2014

25 CIA officers and FBI agents (13 killed, 12 wounded)

50 MVDU personnel

******
DESTROYED EQUIPMENT
1 unknown aircraft downed on 30 July 2014
2 An-26 aircraft
1 An-30 reconnaissance aircraft
2 Il-76 transport aircraft
16 Su-25 attack aircraft + 1 more Su-25 captured in the LNR on 7 July 2014
7 Su-24 aircraft
5 drones
19 combat helicopters (Mi-8/17/24)
185 T-64 tanks
7 T-72 tanks
1 “Bulat” tank
5 Hummers
1 Jeep
19 GAZ-66 trucks
1 staff vehicle
1 mobile crane
1 ZIL-131 trucks
26 Ural trucks
29 Kamaz trucks
3 UAZ-469 off-road vehicles
3 Nona self-propelled mortars
2 2S3 Akatsiya self-propelled howitzers
2 ZU-23-2 towed anti-aircraft twin-barrelled autocannons
8 truck-mounted Grad multiple rocket launchers
6 Uragan self-propelled multiple rocket launcher systems
23 D-30 howitzers
17 122 mm mortars
103 BMP infantry fighting vehicles
94 BMD amphibious infantry fighting vehicles
211 BTR armoured personnel carriers

SOURCE:
Igor Panarin, political scientist, PhD in Psychology, Doctor of Political Sciences, member of the Academy of Military Sciences. Member of the Scientific and Methodological Council of the Central Election Commission of the Russian Federation, a member of the Expert Council Committee on CIS Affairs of the RF Federation Council.
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:this1:
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Bullshit ! Let Russians tell us how many thye have lost !
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Oy! Your Jewish Billionaire oligarch war is falling apart. Everyone has figured out they are the next PALESTINIANS.peace
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MOSCOW, August 04, 21:41 /ITAR-TASS/. The Kiev authorities are no longer concerned with the lives of civilians, Ukrainian troopers or militias, the Russian Foreign Ministry said in its statement on Monday.

"The Kiev authorities instigated by their western sponsors are carrying out a punitive operation killing and wounding civilians and destroying civilian infrastructure. A humanitarian situation in the region is getting worse,” the Russian Foreign Ministry said.

Meanwhile, the Ukrainian army continues pulling the “Tochka U”, “Smerch” and Uragan missile complexes to Donetsk.

“All the aforesaid information confirms the need of an immediate ceasefire in Eastern Ukraine and talks to start urgent discussions on the country’s future state structure. Despite Russia’s consistent appeals to Ukrainian authorities and international organizations to take urgent measures in connection with the humanitarian disaster and human suffering in southeast Ukraine, very little is changing in this sphere,” the Russian Foreign Ministry said.

In this connection, Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov wants to call global attention to the desperate situation of population in southeast Ukraine and address special messages to the leaders of several international organizations with an initiative to launch an immediate special humanitarian operation in southeast Ukraine.

<50% [link to en.itar-tass.com]
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I am. I am smart enough to know the if the Czar was never overthrown by the money powers who installed Bolshevik zionists, that communist USSR would never have happened.

Learn from the past to avoid the future mistakes



come out and say what you mean "phd". name names, any phd would have done so without a moment of hesitancy.
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It does look cool doesnt it! Now imagine American militia in tanks heading towards Mexican border. The ultimate of awesomness.

resist
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A lot of Americans might be imagining them with those rebel battle flags headed in the opposite direction.
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What direction would that be? 1dunno1 Canada?
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Washington DC genius. Then off to NYC to occupy the Federal Reserve Bank and start arresting the crony-capitalists.
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imposubrru! That would never happen. US regime is too strong. Seriously, just national guard would be enough. Only way to topple D.C. would be a massive revolution that would involve the army. Whole tank divisions would have to join the revolution and they would have to have a damn good reason to do so.

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A ploy!
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Sanctions against Russia must be lifted, German expert says [link to en.itar-tass.com]
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war casualty are meant for home consumption. the fact that Russia feels comfortable putting out reports demonstrates who is behind this war.

of course, Moscow keeps its distance when jet liners are shot out of the sky by sophisticated weaponry.
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government forces are getting their butts kicked?
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Results are mixed:

[link to online.wsj.com]

But the real problem is that any time Ukrainian forces advance, the rebels get more lethal assistance from Russia (despite Putin's deceitful denials):

[link to www.washingtonpost.com]
---
But when the artillery fire comes from Russia, they cannot respond.

Most of the fire is directed from Russian territory.
...
Grad rockets fired from Russia and by separatists inside Ukraine land almost every day and night.
...
“Two days ago, we took out four Russian trucks, one tank and an armored personnel carrier crossing the border,” he [a Ukrainian captain] says on a phone line that crackles with static.

“We’re not under fire now, but in the night we were shot at by artillery and Grads. It lasted for 3 1 / 2 hours. It came from Russia. It’s not coming from the Donetsk People’s Republic or the Luhansk People’s Republic. Sometimes the DPR and the LPR fire at the Russians, trying to provoke them to fire back. .&#8201;.&#8201;. But we’re under strict orders not to fire into Russia. If we shell them, they will attack us.”
...
“The situation is difficult because they can’t fire back at the Russian side,” he said.
---

Clearly the only long-term solution to this is to bring Ukraine into NATO. Ukraine, like Poland and Lithuania, will never be truly free until it has guaranteed protection against its rapacious neighbor to the east.

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A lot of Americans might be imagining them with those rebel battle flags headed in the opposite direction.
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What direction would that be? 1dunno1 Canada?
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Washington DC genius. Then off to NYC to occupy the Federal Reserve Bank and start arresting the crony-capitalists.
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imposubrru! That would never happen. US regime is too strong. Seriously, just national guard would be enough. Only way to topple D.C. would be a massive revolution that would involve the army. Whole tank divisions would have to join the revolution and they would have to have a damn good reason to do so.
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The operative word: imagining.

Damn good reason: oath of allegiance to the Constitution which has been shredded by design post 2001 coup.

Likelihood: low (tells you something about the sincerity of oaths and commitment to the Constitution in the US).
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government forces are getting their butts kicked?
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Clearly the only long-term solution to this is to bring Ukraine into NATO. Otherwise, Ukraine will never be free.
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Ukraine would be free if it wasn't at the center of the east and west's tug of geopolitical war and enjoyed true independence from their spheres of influence.

By joining NATO they'll just become another expendable peon, right at the frontlines... Not exactly my idea of freedom.
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government forces are getting their butts kicked?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 61175734

Results are mixed:

[link to online.wsj.com]

But the real problem is that any time Ukrainian forces advance, the rebels get more lethal assistance from Russia (despite Putin's deceitful denials):

[link to www.washingtonpost.com]
---
But when the artillery fire comes from Russia, they cannot respond.

Most of the fire is directed from Russian territory.
...
Grad rockets fired from Russia and by separatists inside Ukraine land almost every day and night.
...
“Two days ago, we took out four Russian trucks, one tank and an armored personnel carrier crossing the border,” he [a Ukrainian captain] says on a phone line that crackles with static.

“We’re not under fire now, but in the night we were shot at by artillery and Grads. It lasted for 3 1 / 2 hours. It came from Russia. It’s not coming from the Donetsk People’s Republic or the Luhansk People’s Republic. Sometimes the DPR and the LPR fire at the Russians, trying to provoke them to fire back. .&#8201;.&#8201;. But we’re under strict orders not to fire into Russia. If we shell them, they will attack us.”
...
“The situation is difficult because they can’t fire back at the Russian side,” he said.
---

Clearly the only long-term solution to this is to bring Ukraine into NATO. Ukraine, like Poland and Lithuania, will never be truly free until it has guaranteed protection against its rapacious neighbor to the east.
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Washington Post? Now I know you are full of sh*t!
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from page 2867:

I've been on this thread since the first page (thank you Luis) and in all that time the last 24 hours have been the most worrisome.

Today though I am more concerned than ever before. The US and the west don't seem to fathom the depth of what is actually happening. They are being sucked into an un-winnable war. The latest pull back of Pres. Putin refusing to talk to Washington is most concerning.

Mr. Obama and his minions are attempting to handle Russia as if it really is just another mid-east minor league team. I think they truly believe Russia is just a "regional power", they are not.

The repeated attempts to marginalize and "punish" a nuclear giant with a more than respectable conventional military, have done nothing but incite a hands on response by Russia's covert forces. Washington has backed Putin into a corner, they must realize that he will be forced to act in response. Sanctions will be met by actions from Moscow, they have few other options.

I hoped that the egomaniac in the White House would seek council from those outside his administration, former advisers or elder statesmen. Instead we get Jen Psaki, Victoria Nuland, Samantha Powers and god only knows what is coming out of Valerie Jarret's or Susan Rice's mouth. Amateurs, at least that's what vibe they are sending out to those of us who are truly awake.

God help us, I fear the worst. Remember my fellow Americans, you got the leadership you voted for. Now go back to sleep it will all be over soon.

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hesright
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page 4998
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siren2siren2siren2siren2siren2siren2
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abombabombabombabombabombabomb
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hey wel a guy who can repeatedly lift a one pound dumbbell has got to make an impression on them.5a
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catfilenails
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Ukraine would be free if it wasn't at the center of the east and west's tug of geopolitical war and enjoyed true independence from their spheres of influence.
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That became forever impossible once Russia invaded, occupied, and "annexed" a Ukrainian province, in violation of international law and solemn agreement. Ukraine can never trust Russia again--and neither can anyone else.

Like Poland and Lithuania, Ukraine can only survive with guaranteed protection against Russian aggression.
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Ukraine would be free if it wasn't at the center of the east and west's tug of geopolitical war and enjoyed true independence from their spheres of influence.
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That became forever impossible once Russia invaded, occupied, and "annexed" a Ukrainian province, in violation of international law and solemn agreement. Ukraine can never trust Russia again--and neither can anyone else.

Like Poland and Lithuania, Ukraine can only survive with guaranteed protection against Russian aggression.
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BREAKING NAF HQ states the #Ukraine commander has promised his soldiers who left for #Russia won't come back to #Donetsk #Luhansk #cdnpoli


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government forces are getting their butts kicked?
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Clearly the only long-term solution to this is to bring Ukraine into NATO. Otherwise, Ukraine will never be free.
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Ukraine would be free if it wasn't at the center of the east and west's tug of geopolitical war and enjoyed true independence from their spheres of influence.

By joining NATO they'll just become another expendable peon, right at the frontlines... Not exactly my idea of freedom.
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Better be careful with mixing the idea of political freedom in Slavic Ukraine with intervention from the current kosher version of the West.

Any resulting batter could easily be baked up into an Iraq or Syrian cake. And that is one dessert that is definitely on the Menu of the new West.
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Ukraine would be free if it wasn't at the center of the east and west's tug of geopolitical war and enjoyed true independence from their spheres of influence.
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That became forever impossible once Russia invaded, occupied, and "annexed" a Ukrainian province, in violation of international law and solemn agreement. Ukraine can never trust Russia again--and neither can anyone else.

Like Poland and Lithuania, Ukraine can only survive with guaranteed protection against Russian aggression.
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There is no guaranteed protection against Russian "aggression" except respecting Russian national interests
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