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Another dillweed POW vid:



The bearded guy is wearing a US combat multicam shirt... interesting.
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If he's one of those Arab mercs, he's lucky to be alive.
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Just like any other country, there are people that have a different view on things.
Siberia will not secede from Russia.

Alaska however might leave USA for Russia, depending on the future votes.
Even more play ground for Russia.
 Quoting: Falter

rofl5
Great thing about Russian Shills is they always talk above their intellect and outside their experience. Alaskans are fervently American citizens, to the last. Were I an American shill, I would say they are vehemently anti-Russian, very anti-Soviet. In fact, talking to Alaskans two things become very apparent. One, they are proud to be America's first line of defense against the Russians. Two, they take this self-bestowed honour very, very seriously.
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Sigh.
The annoying part with you Russian hating people is that you go on YOUR own thoughts and ideas.

Try to look up some information for once.
Did you miss the petition "Alaska back to Russia"?

They had it on a short notice, etc. But more than 30k people signed it.
If they inform people before they release another petition, there will probably be a way bigger turn up.
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30,000 Americans or Alaskans? I have family that live there, I know Alaskans and I'm quite comfortable saying the Tutsi's will establish a lunar colony before Alaskans secede or collaborate to do anything with the Russians.
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Another dillweed POW vid:



The bearded guy is wearing a US combat multicam shirt... interesting.
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If he's one of those Arab mercs, he's lucky to be alive.
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more like a gypsy
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Just my bad luck. The moment I come into the thread a full-on Russo-Shill circle jerk is reaching maximum level as they convince their partner that 2 Ukie jets shot down MH-17.

Two military jets shot down a passenger airliner and two weeks later the planet found out this shattering news from a Shill blog, which quickly handed the disinformation two 3 more Shills on this very thread. How lucky we are to be in 'investigative excellence.'
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1395706


If the narrative that the plane was shot down with a Buk missile is correct, why haven't the results of the black boxes been released? Why hasn't the Ukrainian government released the recordings of the conversations between the plane and the control tower? Why hasn't the US government released any satellite data showing a Buk taking out the plane?
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Just my bad luck. The moment I come into the thread a full-on Russo-Shill circle jerk is reaching maximum level as they convince their partner that 2 Ukie jets shot down MH-17.

Two military jets shot down a passenger airliner and two weeks later the planet found out this shattering news from a Shill blog, which quickly handed the disinformation two 3 more Shills on this very thread. How lucky we are to be in 'investigative excellence.'
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1395706


If the narrative that the plane was shot down with a Buk missile is correct, why haven't the results of the black boxes been released? Why hasn't the Ukrainian government released the recordings of the conversations between the plane and the control tower? Why hasn't the US government released any satellite data showing a Buk taking out the plane?
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Maybe they've contributed to destruction, even without shooting it down. It's possible that plane was directed to fly directly over warzone and pilot objected about it... but was instructed to fly there anyway, despite the risk. That would make them as guilty as the man who pressed the button
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Very important!
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Wonder if and when first official results of investigations will be published....

Many say a SU can't fly that high, others say:

Citizen of EU ‏@wavetossed 3 Min.
@itsEric The Su-25 frogfoot has a 10km ceiling which is where #MH17 was flying. This data is on #Ukraine military websites. Mods done in Ukr

additionally it makes you wonder why MH17 was told to fly at 33.000feet instead of the wanted 35.000 feet
 Quoting: °Lucy°


From the Sukhoi website (manufacturer of the Su-25) -

[link to www.sukhoi.org]

Service ceiling (without external ordnance and stores), 7 km

and its even less with external weapons.

Besides the issue of that well-documented Buk SAM in Torez and Snizhne that day, and then in Luhansk minus one missile just is not going to go away despite the Russian government and shills wishing it would.

Also 'citizen of EU' is an untrustworthy source full of lies and is just another of the Russian government's tens of thousands of Twitter shills.
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You don't have to be at the very same flight level to engage...
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In 2010 they have modded SU25, incl engines. same as in SU39. Service Ceiling SU39 is 12.000m

Ukrainian modernization program from the year 2010. This includes the strengthening of the cell, modern navigation equipment, multifunctional displays, target allocation system, self-defense systems and the R-195 engines in the use of the Su-39 and Su-25TM. The cost of retrofitting an aircraft amounted to U.S. $ 1,232,000. All Su-25 should be converted to the standard M1. The first aircraft were delivered to the Ukrainian Air Force, 2011. It is not known how many planes have already been converted
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O.k., I guess I posted it but I like this video. Bologna, support for Novorossiyan antifascists!



And goodnight to all, time to take a break...
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Great post to add this to ~ And thanks for the great posts tonight!

Goodnight.hf

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DONETSK, August 3 (RIA Novosti) – A besieged garrison of Ukrainian soldiers and special forces in the south of the Luhansk region started negotiating conditions of their surrender with local independence supporters, a representative of the militia told RIA Novosti Sunday.

“They have run out of combat rations, water and fuel and they have small arms to last only a couple of days. They have started negotiating.

<50% [link to en.ria.ru]

"If one understands that socialism is not a share-the-wealth programme, but is in reality a method to consolidate and control the wealth, then the seeming paradox of super-rich men promoting socialism becomes no paradox at all. Instead, it becomes logical, even the perfect tool of power-seeking megalomaniacs.

Communism or more accurately, socialism, is not a movement of the downtrodden masses, but of the economic elite."

Gary Allen

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A Georgian fighter of Battalion Donbas shows captured terrists


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such a fup duck war ...
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Bird pooped on Putin when he was saying "Violence begets violence" at the opening of monument to the 1st World War.



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That's a bad omen. Its means that the chickens are coming home to roost...
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In Luhansk came a new batch of Russian military equipment

[link to espreso.tv]
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another Ukrainian Jet Fighter shot down

"If one understands that socialism is not a share-the-wealth programme, but is in reality a method to consolidate and control the wealth, then the seeming paradox of super-rich men promoting socialism becomes no paradox at all. Instead, it becomes logical, even the perfect tool of power-seeking megalomaniacs.

Communism or more accurately, socialism, is not a movement of the downtrodden masses, but of the economic elite."

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A Georgian fighter of Battalion Donbas shows captured terrists


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such a fup duck war ...
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another fake, hiding their faces lol
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10 Russian soldiers are missing after the battle with Ukrainian military in the conflict zone in E Ukraine - DNR presser
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Bird pooped on Putin when he was saying "Violence begets violence" at the opening of monument to the 1st World War.



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That's a bad omen. Its means that the chickens are coming home to roost...
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In most cultures (including Russia) this is actually considered a sign of good luck.
Give Peace a Chance (c) John Lennon 1969
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Time for a Putin Truth Update.

The pro-Putin militants and their brethren (Russian invasion troops)suffered their most crushing defeat since hostilities began in the Eastern Ukrainian provinces. What makes this defeat so stinging is that it did not occur in Donetsk or Luhansk. It occurred in Moscow. Yes, I said Moscow. Putin's War cause was humiliated right before the man himself, the Duma, the world.

A state organized rally was held in Moscow for the separatists. The turn-out was embarrassing, it was humiliating, it was utter dejection. 500 people showed up to this rally for the separatists, only five-hundred.

Putin is enjoying an astounding 83% domestic approval rating. The Levada Centre conducted a recent poll and found that 70 percent say they believe Russian media are giving “an objective picture” of the situation. This number is essentially latent, de facto, strong support for Putin's policies in Ukraine.

Hmmm, something is very suspicious about the interrelations of these numbers. Putin's sky-high support. Poll shows very strong support for separatists and yet, only 500 people turn-up in Moscow which is a city of 11.5 million. Very dubious indeed. Dare I say it merits further investigation.

Pro-Separatist Rally in Moscow Today
15:29 (GMT)

A rally was held today in Moscow to rally support for separatist fighters in south-eastern Ukraine.

The rally "For the Struggle for Donbass", was reportedly only attended by around 500 people (according to the independent Russian news site Grani.ru). (See also our Russia This Week blog).

Earlier, RT's Ruptly service, who provided live streaming of the event, had written that "thousands are expected to attend."
[link to www.interpretermag.com]

Here is the second phase of Putin's worst defeat in Ukraine. On March 15, 2014 50,000 people took to the streets in absolute protest against Putin's military seizure of Ukraine. What makes this truly incredible was the Crimea action was said to have far greater support amongst Muscovites than the present action in Ukraine. [link to warincontext.org]

So the people that matter most to Putin, the most powerful electorate in Russia have spoken, no, they have roared. 500 support Putin's insane incremental invasion of Donetsk and Luhansk. 50,000 resoundly rejected the military seizure of Crimea-the supposed more 'popular' action of the two.

Putin's house is divided and he'll never see it for himself b/c hes has banned the internet in his offices, along with smart mobile phones. Putin's contempt for technology has isolated him from the Russian people, just like the world.
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"So you mean to say they've taken what we thought we think and make us think we thought our thoughts we've been thinking our thoughts we think we thought?"
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hf

coffee4goodnews morning all.
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hi

I have 2 a.m. here, morning is not best word :-)
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Goodday all
rex grinning

5 pages to catch-up readup

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Bird pooped on Putin when he was saying "Violence begets violence" at the opening of monument to the 1st World War.



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That's a bad omen. Its means that the chickens are coming home to roost...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 61093221


In most cultures (including Russia) this is actually considered a sign of good luck.
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Avian Flu changed that.
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RT's Alina Eprimian was expelled from UA after shooting some footage on protests in Western Ukraine, with all her video materials reposessed by SBU and destroyed.

The dillweeds are clearly setting new freedom of speech standards here. Way to go, dorks!



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hf

coffee4goodnews morning all.
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hi

I have 2 a.m. here, morning is not best word :-)
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Goodday all
rex grinning

5 pages to catch-up readup

xxxK
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Goodday to you Krispy hi
Who am I and who are you to tell people what they should believe in and what not?
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Right sector gunmen

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Time for a Putin Truth Update.

The pro-Putin militants and their brethren (Russian invasion troops)suffered their most crushing defeat since hostilities began in the Eastern Ukrainian provinces. What makes this defeat so stinging is that it did not occur in Donetsk or Luhansk. It occurred in Moscow. Yes, I said Moscow. Putin's War cause was humiliated right before the man himself, the Duma, the world.

A state organized rally was held in Moscow for the separatists. The turn-out was embarrassing, it was humiliating, it was utter dejection. 500 people showed up to this rally for the separatists, only five-hundred.

Putin is enjoying an astounding 83% domestic approval rating. The Levada Centre conducted a recent poll and found that 70 percent say they believe Russian media are giving “an objective picture” of the situation. This number is essentially latent, de facto, strong support for Putin's policies in Ukraine.

Hmmm, something is very suspicious about the interrelations of these numbers. Putin's sky-high support. Poll shows very strong support for separatists and yet, only 500 people turn-up in Moscow which is a city of 11.5 million. Very dubious indeed. Dare I say it merits further investigation.

Pro-Separatist Rally in Moscow Today
15:29 (GMT)

A rally was held today in Moscow to rally support for separatist fighters in south-eastern Ukraine.

The rally "For the Struggle for Donbass", was reportedly only attended by around 500 people (according to the independent Russian news site Grani.ru). (See also our Russia This Week blog).

Earlier, RT's Ruptly service, who provided live streaming of the event, had written that "thousands are expected to attend."
[link to www.interpretermag.com]

Here is the second phase of Putin's worst defeat in Ukraine. On March 15, 2014 50,000 people took to the streets in absolute protest against Putin's military seizure of Ukraine. What makes this truly incredible was the Crimea action was said to have far greater support amongst Muscovites than the present action in Ukraine. [link to warincontext.org]

So the people that matter most to Putin, the most powerful electorate in Russia have spoken, no, they have roared. 500 support Putin's insane incremental invasion of Donetsk and Luhansk. 50,000 resoundly rejected the military seizure of Crimea-the supposed more 'popular' action of the two.

Putin's house is divided and he'll never see it for himself b/c hes has banned the internet in his offices, along with smart mobile phones. Putin's contempt for technology has isolated him from the Russian people, just like the world.
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Dude, your prescription has been filled.
Time to hit Rexall's.


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Just my bad luck. The moment I come into the thread a full-on Russo-Shill circle jerk is reaching maximum level as they convince their partner that 2 Ukie jets shot down MH-17.

Two military jets shot down a passenger airliner and two weeks later the planet found out this shattering news from a Shill blog, which quickly handed the disinformation two 3 more Shills on this very thread. How lucky we are to be in 'investigative excellence.'
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1395706


If the narrative that the plane was shot down with a Buk missile is correct, why haven't the results of the black boxes been released? Why hasn't the Ukrainian government released the recordings of the conversations between the plane and the control tower? Why hasn't the US government released any satellite data showing a Buk taking out the plane?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 57589670


Maybe they've contributed to destruction, even without shooting it down. It's possible that plane was directed to fly directly over warzone and pilot objected about it... but was instructed to fly there anyway, despite the risk. That would make them as guilty as the man who pressed the button
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They won't release records bc on them we can hear a scream of second pilot why they shoot at them
IF buk will hit this cockpit area we will hear nothing just bam end of recording.
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Babay &#8207;@Truth_Seeker_11 4 min.
Great documentary. with eng. subs [link to www.youtube.com (secure)] …


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This is possibly the best doco I've seen on what's happening on the ground in Eastern Ukraine. I especially like it because it's coming from the perspective of the Eastern Ukrainian locals.

In my opinion it is untouched by MSM and political propaganda from either side. It is what it is.

It would be very unwise for Russia to move in until the people in the West can see for themselves what is going on with more videos like this one.

When you connect this video with the forced conscriptions and Poroshenko's latest temper tantrum about the need to form his government to fit in with his agenda, then a clear picture of reality on the ground is formed.

I completely understand Ukraine's desire for a independent and sovereign nation but the path they are heading towards is far worse than the one they were on.

The people in power have a complete disregards for ethnic minorities - not just the ethnic Russians. They are running into the arms of the IMF and the World Bank. If they really knew what those two institutions represent, they wouldn't go anywhere near them. The second they receive money from the IMF and the World Bank they will have completely sold out their sovereignty.

The IMF have their eyes on Ukraine's Agricultural Industry and if they get it the Ukrainian's will once again risk another famine. They will no longer have ownership of their own food. This will be bad for the whole of Ukraine.
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Havent watched it yet ...
but wanted to empathise that I agree with Finns last lines !!! She is spot-on-damn-right !!!!


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Just my bad luck. The moment I come into the thread a full-on Russo-Shill circle jerk is reaching maximum level as they convince their partner that 2 Ukie jets shot down MH-17.

Two military jets shot down a passenger airliner and two weeks later the planet found out this shattering news from a Shill blog, which quickly handed the disinformation two 3 more Shills on this very thread. How lucky we are to be in 'investigative excellence.'
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1395706


If the narrative that the plane was shot down with a Buk missile is correct, why haven't the results of the black boxes been released? Why hasn't the Ukrainian government released the recordings of the conversations between the plane and the control tower? Why hasn't the US government released any satellite data showing a Buk taking out the plane?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 57589670

Have you ever conducted a criminal investigation? An international criminal or terrorist investigation involving multiple countries, languages, laws, rules of evidence, crime scene tampered with beyond anything previously encountered and in a war zone. This a way to volatile an issue to release anything at all. These things take a very long time.
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Time for a Putin Truth Update.

The pro-Putin militants and their brethren (Russian invasion troops)suffered their most crushing defeat since hostilities began in the Eastern Ukrainian provinces. What makes this defeat so stinging is that it did not occur in Donetsk or Luhansk. It occurred in Moscow. Yes, I said Moscow. Putin's War cause was humiliated right before the man himself, the Duma, the world.

A state organized rally was held in Moscow for the separatists. The turn-out was embarrassing, it was humiliating, it was utter dejection. 500 people showed up to this rally for the separatists, only five-hundred.

Putin is enjoying an astounding 83% domestic approval rating. The Levada Centre conducted a recent poll and found that 70 percent say they believe Russian media are giving “an objective picture” of the situation. This number is essentially latent, de facto, strong support for Putin's policies in Ukraine.

Hmmm, something is very suspicious about the interrelations of these numbers. Putin's sky-high support. Poll shows very strong support for separatists and yet, only 500 people turn-up in Moscow which is a city of 11.5 million. Very dubious indeed. Dare I say it merits further investigation.

Pro-Separatist Rally in Moscow Today
15:29 (GMT)

A rally was held today in Moscow to rally support for separatist fighters in south-eastern Ukraine.

The rally "For the Struggle for Donbass", was reportedly only attended by around 500 people (according to the independent Russian news site Grani.ru). (See also our Russia This Week blog).

Earlier, RT's Ruptly service, who provided live streaming of the event, had written that "thousands are expected to attend."
[link to www.interpretermag.com]

Here is the second phase of Putin's worst defeat in Ukraine. On March 15, 2014 50,000 people took to the streets in absolute protest against Putin's military seizure of Ukraine. What makes this truly incredible was the Crimea action was said to have far greater support amongst Muscovites than the present action in Ukraine. [link to warincontext.org]

So the people that matter most to Putin, the most powerful electorate in Russia have spoken, no, they have roared. 500 support Putin's insane incremental invasion of Donetsk and Luhansk. 50,000 resoundly rejected the military seizure of Crimea-the supposed more 'popular' action of the two.

Putin's house is divided and he'll never see it for himself b/c hes has banned the internet in his offices, along with smart mobile phones. Putin's contempt for technology has isolated him from the Russian people, just like the world.
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One of the top ten posts in this thread.
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Babay &#8207;@Truth_Seeker_11 4 min.
Great documentary. with eng. subs [link to www.youtube.com (secure)] …

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The IMF have their eyes on Ukraine's Agricultural Industry and if they get it the Ukrainian's will once again risk another famine. They will no longer have ownership of their own food. This will be bad for the whole of Ukraine.
 Quoting: KFinn


Absolutelly correct (at least by my opinion). But this is not only about agricultural, this is about shale gas. Jezz, they started with building of fracking equipment near Slavyansk. Corpses did not chill yet ffs! And there is no need to discuss criminal organizations as IMF or WB...

Most ironic is that in Ukraine overthrow government and president and after that they elected absolutely same people. Strange country...
 Quoting: KneelB4Zod!


Yep I agree with Zod too.

But more pilars are supporting this construct!
TPTB never do something one-dimensional ,,, they allways go for several goals at several different layers, multi-dimensional tactics.

- agricultural
- geopolitical with gas/oil
- reclaim what they see as theirs [being Kazhars]
- payback to Russia and the ancestral gene-lines
- strategic advantage
- finance of military needs [weapons, war = money]
- a lesson/example for others : "We are the Rulers, look what happens if you dont obey..."
- cripple the BRICS and make them loose money on this war
- to provoke other countries to show what side you are choosing
- etc......


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Re: UKRAINE: Did The Winter War Just Begin? Russian Gas Supplies To Europe Plunge 15%, Ukraine Transit Slashed 54%!!!p6194
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Great documentary. with eng. subs [link to www.youtube.com (secure)] …


 Quoting: KneelB4Zod!


This is possibly the best doco I've seen on what's happening on the ground in Eastern Ukraine. I especially like it because it's coming from the perspective of the Eastern Ukrainian locals.

In my opinion it is untouched by MSM and political propaganda from either side. It is what it is.

It would be very unwise for Russia to move in until the people in the West can see for themselves what is going on with more videos like this one.

When you connect this video with the forced conscriptions and Poroshenko's latest temper tantrum about the need to form his government to fit in with his agenda, then a clear picture of reality on the ground is formed.

I completely understand Ukraine's desire for a independent and sovereign nation but the path they are heading towards is far worse than the one they were on.

The people in power have a complete disregards for ethnic minorities - not just the ethnic Russians. They are running into the arms of the IMF and the World Bank. If they really knew what those two institutions represent, they wouldn't go anywhere near them. The second they receive money from the IMF and the World Bank they will have completely sold out their sovereignty.

The IMF have their eyes on Ukraine's Agricultural Industry and if they get it the Ukrainian's will once again risk another famine. They will no longer have ownership of their own food. This will be bad for the whole of Ukraine.
 Quoting: KFinn


The IMF have their eyes on Ukraine's Agricultural Industry and if they get it the Ukrainian's will once again risk another famine. They will no longer have ownership of their own food. This will be bad for the whole of Ukraine.

Unlikely. Chinese signed a 50 year lease deal with Ukraine last year. They were to lease 7.4 million acres of Ukraine rich, fertile lands in the East. They very lands Putin is destroying. Porky called the Chinese within hours of his election and stated to them When Ukraine liberate those lands preparations for it's suitable farming begin immediately. Chinese were well aware of the 'fracking' industry in those lands and they still chose to sign the deal. They knew the fracking contamination bullshit is just that.

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