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Time for a Putin Truth Update.

The pro-Putin militants and their brethren (Russian invasion troops)suffered their most crushing defeat since hostilities began in the Eastern Ukrainian provinces. What makes this defeat so stinging is that it did not occur in Donetsk or Luhansk. It occurred in Moscow. Yes, I said Moscow. Putin's War cause was humiliated right before the man himself, the Duma, the world.

A state organized rally was held in Moscow for the separatists. The turn-out was embarrassing, it was humiliating, it was utter dejection. 500 people showed up to this rally for the separatists, only five-hundred.

Putin is enjoying an astounding 83% domestic approval rating. The Levada Centre conducted a recent poll and found that 70 percent say they believe Russian media are giving “an objective picture” of the situation. This number is essentially latent, de facto, strong support for Putin's policies in Ukraine.

Hmmm, something is very suspicious about the interrelations of these numbers. Putin's sky-high support. Poll shows very strong support for separatists and yet, only 500 people turn-up in Moscow which is a city of 11.5 million. Very dubious indeed. Dare I say it merits further investigation.

Pro-Separatist Rally in Moscow Today
15:29 (GMT)

A rally was held today in Moscow to rally support for separatist fighters in south-eastern Ukraine.

The rally "For the Struggle for Donbass", was reportedly only attended by around 500 people (according to the independent Russian news site Grani.ru). (See also our Russia This Week blog).

Earlier, RT's Ruptly service, who provided live streaming of the event, had written that "thousands are expected to attend."
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Here is the second phase of Putin's worst defeat in Ukraine. On March 15, 2014 50,000 people took to the streets in absolute protest against Putin's military seizure of Ukraine. What makes this truly incredible was the Crimea action was said to have far greater support amongst Muscovites than the present action in Ukraine. [link to warincontext.org]

So the people that matter most to Putin, the most powerful electorate in Russia have spoken, no, they have roared. 500 support Putin's insane incremental invasion of Donetsk and Luhansk. 50,000 resoundly rejected the military seizure of Crimea-the supposed more 'popular' action of the two.

Putin's house is divided and he'll never see it for himself b/c hes has banned the internet in his offices, along with smart mobile phones. Putin's contempt for technology has isolated him from the Russian people, just like the world.
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Putin’s Choice: Cut a Face-Saving Deal or Become a Pariah

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“His strategy has shown a total lack of understanding of today's globalized world,” added Edward Goldberg, a professor at Baruch College and the New York University Center for Global Affairs.

“Grievances and believing that Russia still has a historic need for buffer states have distorted his reality to the point where his actions have dramatically hurt Russia's long-term interests.”
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@multiple sources:

Blocked UAF units in Luhansk oblast are negotiating terms of surrender to NAF militia.

@gazeta.ru

12 UAF soldiers cross into Russia to surrender.
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why wouldn't you give RT some rest, or else, shuffle it up where it belong.
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why wouldn't you give RT some rest, or else, shuffle it up where it belong.
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why wouldn't you give RT some rest, or else, shuffle it up where it belong.
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why wouldn't you give RT some rest, or else, shuffle it up where it belong.
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:flyfrog:
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that is a lot to say...
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riddle me this...
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that is a lot to say...
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riddle me this...
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wtf is wrong with you?
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you accountancy is very wrong. What is wrong with you!?
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that's not an answer. there's obviously something very wrong with you. what is it?
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Ukraine Reporter ‏@StateOfUkraine 6 hod.
UA forces entered #Shakhtersk, a city on the strategic corridor between #Donetsk & #Luhansk #Ukraine. There is heavy fighting in the city.


Oh, did not Banderistan ministry of propaganda said that they completely cut off Donetsk yesterday? And day before yesterday too? And last week once again?


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The problem with the SU-25 MH17 shoot-down theory is the fact that an SU-25 can only really reach the required height for a very short time (maybe time enough, but it sounds like it'd need an ace pilot) so, what if a MiG-29 shot down MH17?

A MiG 29 can certainly fly high enough and also has 30mm cannon rounds, and Ukraine have a number of them...

45 MiG-29s aircraft were captured by the Russian Armed Forces on Belbek Air Base during the 2014 Crimean crisis, 3 MiG-29S and one MiG-29UB. 37 MiG-29s were handed back to Ukraine by late May 2014. Five MiG-29MU1 Ukrainian upgrade (1 in 2011). Additional two were renovated in 2012. Initially mothballed, the fleet of MiG-29s was in April 2014 restored to active service as a result of the unrest in Ukraine.
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Ukraine lost another Su-25 today. They started with only about 32.
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Evidence Is Now Conclusive: 2 Ukrainian Government SU-25 Fighter-Jets Did Shoot Down that Malaysian Airliner. No “Buk” Missile Ground-Shot Was Involved.
[link to www.washingtonsblog.com]
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I am gonna spread this via FB !!!!


Further, there’s this 21 July photo-reconstruction of that cockpit-fragment positioned into place on the aircraft as it had originally been in that intact-airliner: [link to twitter.com (secure)] . Looking at that photo-reconstruction, one can easily tell that the SU-25 that was firing into the cockpit from the pilot’s left side didn’t just riddle the area surrounding the pilot with bullets, but that it then targeted-in specifically onto the pilot himself, producing at his location a huge gaping hole in the side of the plane precisely at the place where the pilot was seated. Furthermore, this gaping hole was produced by shooting into the plane, precisely at the pilot, from below and to the pilot’s left, which is where that SU-25 was located — not from above the airliner, and not from beside it, and also not from below it.

In other words: this was precise and closely-targeted firing against the pilot himself, not a blast directed broadly against, and aiming to hit, the plane anywhere, to bring it down.

Haisenko explained how this penetration of the plane, though it was targeted specifically at the pilot, caused immediately a breaking-apart of the entire aircraft.


Thus the "explosive decompression" ... explosive as in : RAPID ... and not as BY EXPLOSION OF A BOMB/MISSILE


What this means is that in order to have some of those holes frayed inwardly and the other holes frayed outwardly, there had to have been a second SU-25 fighter-jet firing into the cockpit from the airliner’s right-hand side. That’s critically important, because no Buk missile (or schrapnel therefrom) hitting the airliner could possibly have produced firing into the cockpit from both sides of the plane. It had to have been a hail of bullets from both sides, that brought the plane down, in that circumstance. This is Haisenko’s main discovery, by his pointing that out. You can’t have projectiles going in both directions — into the left-hand-side fuselage panel from both its left and right sides — unless they are coming at the panel from different directions. Nobody before Haisenko had noticed that the projectiles had ripped through that panel from both its left side and its right side. This is what rules out any ground-fired missile.


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Chief of the Russian Land Forces’ tactical air defense troops Maj. Gen. Mikhail Krush said he doubts that the Malaysian passenger liner was brought down by a Buk surface-to-air missile system. “No one observed a Buk engaging targets in that region on that day, which provides 95 percent proof that Buk systems were not used in this concrete case,” the general said in an interview with the Voyenno-Promyshlenny Kuryer military weekly to be published on Wednesday [July 30th]. ”This is no more than a theory for now. However, a guided missile launched by a Buk missile system leaves behind a specific smoke trail as it flies, like a comet. In daylight this trail can be clearly seen within a radius of 20-25 kilometers from the missile system. It cannot remain unnoticed. There are no eyewitnesses to confirm there was any. No one reported a launch. This is one thing,” he said. “Second. The holes left by the strike elements on the Boeing’s outer skin indicate that the warhead blew up from below and sideways. A Buk missile strikes the target from above,” he said. “The damage done to the plane suggests that a different missile was used. Our guidance method is a zoom, when the missile strikes the target from above covering it with a thick cloud of fragments the general said. “I cannot state categorically, guided by this data, but I can suggest, using my experience, that it was not a Buk missile that hit the Boeing,” the expert said.


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that is a lot to say...
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you accountancy is very wrong. What is wrong with you!?
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that's not an answer. there's obviously something very wrong with you. what is it?
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he's a drug addict
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Truth about Ukrainian regular special forces/paratroopers involving in Banderistan ATO. They look like they are not very happy with Banderistan war. They still don't know why they are here or against who they should fight. They see only common people...


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VIDEO #Luhansk yesterday, #Ukraine army shelling. NOT one NAF anywhere. School, houses hit #cdnpoli #UN [link to youtu.be] via @YouTube


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REPORTS Overnight shelling of #Luhansk by the #Ukraine army killed 3 civilians and wounded 8. #cdnpoli


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Nine civilians killed in fighting in east #Ukraine [link to reut.rs] via @reuters #cdnpoli #Luhansk #Donetsk

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Evidence Is Now Conclusive: 2 Ukrainian Government SU-25 Fighter-Jets Did Shoot Down that Malaysian Airliner. No “Buk” Missile Ground-Shot Was Involved.
[link to www.washingtonsblog.com]
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I am gonna spread this via FB !!!!



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What if the rebels shot at the cockpit on the ground?
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#Ukraine's Kharkov armor repair plant was attacked last night...not sure but seemed w/ Shmel.
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Evidence Is Now Conclusive: 2 Ukrainian Government SU-25 Fighter-Jets Did Shoot Down that Malaysian Airliner. No “Buk” Missile Ground-Shot Was Involved.
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I am gonna spread this via FB !!!!


Further, there’s this 21 July photo-reconstruction of that cockpit-fragment positioned into place on the aircraft as it had originally been in that intact-airliner: [link to twitter.com (secure)] . Looking at that photo-reconstruction, one can easily tell that the SU-25 that was firing into the cockpit from the pilot’s left side didn’t just riddle the area surrounding the pilot with bullets, but that it then targeted-in specifically onto the pilot himself, producing at his location a huge gaping hole in the side of the plane precisely at the place where the pilot was seated. Furthermore, this gaping hole was produced by shooting into the plane, precisely at the pilot, from below and to the pilot’s left, which is where that SU-25 was located — not from above the airliner, and not from beside it, and also not from below it.

In other words: this was precise and closely-targeted firing against the pilot himself, not a blast directed broadly against, and aiming to hit, the plane anywhere, to bring it down.

Haisenko explained how this penetration of the plane, though it was targeted specifically at the pilot, caused immediately a breaking-apart of the entire aircraft.


Thus the "explosive decompression" ... explosive as in : RAPID ... and not as BY EXPLOSION OF A BOMB/MISSILE


What this means is that in order to have some of those holes frayed inwardly and the other holes frayed outwardly, there had to have been a second SU-25 fighter-jet firing into the cockpit from the airliner’s right-hand side. That’s critically important, because no Buk missile (or schrapnel therefrom) hitting the airliner could possibly have produced firing into the cockpit from both sides of the plane. It had to have been a hail of bullets from both sides, that brought the plane down, in that circumstance. This is Haisenko’s main discovery, by his pointing that out. You can’t have projectiles going in both directions — into the left-hand-side fuselage panel from both its left and right sides — unless they are coming at the panel from different directions. Nobody before Haisenko had noticed that the projectiles had ripped through that panel from both its left side and its right side. This is what rules out any ground-fired missile.

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such bullshit about an Su-25 targeting in to the pilot of an aircraft flying at 10,000m



Educate yourself:



From the Sukhoi website (manufacturer of the Su-25) -

[link to www.sukhoi.org]

Service ceiling (without external ordnance and stores), 7 km

and its even less with external weapons.



An Su-25 cannot engage an aircraft flying at 33,000 feet with cannons. It could pull its nose up briefly and try to do so, but it would be 4 km away or greater. An Su-25 at 7,000 meters and a 45 degrees nose up firing at the airliner at 10,000 meters altitude, the airliner would be 4.24 kilometers away from the Su25 at the closest. Yes 4,240 meters. The gun's maximum effective range against aerial targets is 200 to 800 m and against surface or ground targets is 1,200 to 1,800 m.


As far as missiles, the missiles that Ukraine's Su-25 carry(K-13 and R-60) are infrared heat-seeking. They aim for the engines, not the fuselage. This was clearly an explosion and shrapnel impact near the nose of the aircraft that then rapidly disintegrated the front of the aircraft, which came completely off of the rest of the plane forward of the wings a few meters and then into many pieces in the air. This is consistent with a radar guided missile coming from the front of the aircraft and exploding in front of it. Radar guided missiles simply go for the largest area of radar return. Also note that Snizhne was in front of the aircraft.


Besides the issue of that well-documented Buk SAM in Torez and Snizhne that day, and then in Luhansk minus one missile just is not going to go away despite the Russian government and shills wishing it would.




Here is some great detail on where various parts of the plane fell:

Map of a Tragedy: How MH17 Came Apart Over Ukraine
[link to graphics.wsj.com]
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#Ukraine fighter jet shot down over #Stakhanov - eyewitnesses via @Truth_Seeker_11 #cdnpoli


Rock Solid Politics ‏@BradCabana 32 min.
UNCONFIRMED #ATO forces took control of #Krasnogorovka and #Staromyhaylivku, near #Donetsk [link to tvi.ua] … … #cdnpoli #Ukraine


Rock Solid Politics ‏@BradCabana 30 min.
Constant conflicting claims between #NAF and #Ukraine army as to who controls #Krasnogorovka south of #Donetsk #cdnpoli


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Imminent surrender of #Ukraine army 79th & 72nd Air Mobile Brigades in the " #Donetsk Pocket" is a massive morale and physical loss #cdnpoli
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AJSB ‏@A_J_S_B 41 min.
VIDEO:
Finally the video of #Ukraine Su-25 shot down near Yenakievo, August 2 like i reported previously
[link to youtu.be]


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#OSCE observers came under fire from #Ukraine while working on the check point #Gukovo


Rock Solid Politics ‏@BradCabana 25 min.
BREAKING: @OSCE observers at #Russia border crossing come under fire from #Ukraine - FSB [link to on.rt.com] #cdnpoli
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Rock Solid Politics ‏@BradCabana 11 min.
BREAKING in the vicinity of #Odessa #Mariupol highway, battalion sized #Ukraine group forming. #cdnpoli
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such bullshit about an Su-25 targeting in to the pilot of an aircraft flying at 10,000m



Educate yourself:



From the Sukhoi website (manufacturer of the Su-25) -

[link to www.sukhoi.org]

Service ceiling (without external ordnance and stores), 7 km

and its even less with external weapons.



An Su-25 cannot engage an aircraft flying at 33,000 feet with cannons. It could pull its nose up briefly and try to do so, but it would be 4 km away or greater. An Su-25 at 7,000 meters and a 45 degrees nose up firing at the airliner at 10,000 meters altitude, the airliner would be 4.24 kilometers away from the Su25 at the closest. Yes 4,240 meters. The gun's maximum effective range against aerial targets is 200 to 800 m and against surface or ground targets is 1,200 to 1,800 m.


As far as missiles, the missiles that Ukraine's Su-25 carry(K-13 and R-60) are infrared heat-seeking. They aim for the engines, not the fuselage. This was clearly an explosion and shrapnel impact near the nose of the aircraft that then rapidly disintegrated the front of the aircraft, which came completely off of the rest of the plane forward of the wings a few meters and then into many pieces in the air. This is consistent with a radar guided missile coming from the front of the aircraft and exploding in front of it. Radar guided missiles simply go for the largest area of radar return. Also note that Snizhne was in front of the aircraft.


Besides the issue of that well-documented Buk SAM in Torez and Snizhne that day, and then in Luhansk minus one missile just is not going to go away despite the Russian government and shills wishing it would.




Here is some great detail on where various parts of the plane fell:

Map of a Tragedy: How MH17 Came Apart Over Ukraine
[link to graphics.wsj.com]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 61093221


In 2010 they have modded SU25, incl engines. same as in SU39. Service Ceiling SU39 is 12.000m

Ukrainian modernization program from the year 2010. This includes the strengthening of the cell, modern navigation equipment, multifunctional displays, target allocation system, self-defense systems and the R-195 engines in the use of the Su-39 and Su-25TM. The cost of retrofitting an aircraft amounted to U.S. $ 1,232,000. All Su-25 should be converted to the standard M1. The first aircraft were delivered to the Ukrainian Air Force, 2011. It is not known how many planes have already been converted
[link to de.wikipedia.org]

Ukraine also has 23 × Su-27P and Su-27UB with a service ceiling of 18.500 / 17.750m

Service Ceiling by the manufacture state the height which they absolutely insure a proper function of combat and all. The actual altitude can be much higher.

Some lexical describe it well above 10.000m (I have more than one source if you wanna see)
[link to www.fliegerweb.com]

(edited some typos...)

Last Edited by °Lucy° on 08/03/2014 08:03 AM
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