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UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387

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If anyone newly wants to get into this, Twitter helps a lot. Here are some accounts to follow. This is the list I've developed for many months being into this. I have one account setup just for Ukraine stuff with these followed-




twitter.com/NSDC_ua
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twitter.com/AricToler
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twitter.com/KiritRadia
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twitter.com/djp3tros
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twitter.com/hdevreij
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twitter.com/courtneymoscow
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twitter.com/HarrietSalem
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twitter.com/isaacdwebb
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twitter.com/lennutrajektoor
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twitter.com/MillerMENA
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twitter.com/alessaprentice
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twitter.com/BBCWillVernon
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twitter.com/bopanc
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twitter.com/Henry_Langston
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twitter.com/Aureliano_no_24
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twitter.com/Belsat_Eng
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twitter.com/PierreCrom
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twitter.com/RolandOliphant
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twitter.com/shelomovskiy
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twitter.com/MiddleEast_BRK
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twitter.com/tggrove
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twitter.com/EasternEnsemble
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twitter.com/ASLuhn
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twitter.com/dpatrikarakos
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twitter.com/BBCSteveR
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twitter.com/JerryPopowicz
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twitter.com/usosce
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twitter.com/StateOfUkraine
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twitter.com/AndersFoghR
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twitter.com/PaulSonne
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twitter.com/usukraine
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twitter.com/ARothNYT
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twitter.com/EuromaidanPR
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 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 61093221


This is only one-sided view from pro-Ukraine souces. For unbiased news you need to get news from at least two points of view.

Add to your followed also this ones

AJSB
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Gleb Bazov
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Babay ‏@Truth_Seeker_11 4 min.
Great documentary. with eng. subs [link to www.youtube.com (secure)] …

[youtube] [link to youtu.be]
 Quoting: KneelB4Zod!


[[[snipped text]]]

The IMF have their eyes on Ukraine's Agricultural Industry and if they get it the Ukrainian's will once again risk another famine. They will no longer have ownership of their own food. This will be bad for the whole of Ukraine.
 Quoting: KFinn


Absolutelly correct (at least by my opinion). But this is not only about agricultural, this is about shale gas. Jezz, they started with building of fracking equipment near Slavyansk. Corpses did not chill yet ffs! And there is no need to discuss criminal organizations as IMF or WB...

Most ironic is that in Ukraine overthrow government and president and after that they elected absolutely same people. Strange country...
 Quoting: KneelB4Zod!


Yep I agree with Zod too.

But more pilars are supporting this construct!
TPTB never do something one-dimensional ,,, they allways go for several goals at several different layers, multi-dimensional tactics.

- agricultural
- geopolitical with gas/oil
- reclaim what they see as theirs [being Kazhars]
- payback to Russia and the ancestral gene-lines
- strategic advantage
- finance of military needs [weapons, war = money]
- a lesson/example for others : "We are the Rulers, look what happens if you dont obey..."
- cripple the BRICS and make them loose money on this war
- to provoke other countries to show what side you are choosing
- etc......


xxxK
 Quoting: Krispy71


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Rock Solid Politics ‏@BradCabana 9 min.
RT Igor Berezin (dpt. MoD of DPR): in & around #Shakhtersk #Ukraine lost about 1000 killed.It's an ocean of blood via @Russian_Dawn #cdnpoli


Gleb Bazov ‏@gbazov 3 min.
#BREAKING - Fyodor Berezin: "A thousand corpses of #Ukraine's soldiers lie near Shakhtersk" - Full Translation Coming Soon. #NOVOROSSIYA

Last Edited by KneelB4Zod! on 08/03/2014 08:22 AM
“You don’t fear death, you welcome it. Your punishment must be more severe.” Bane

"Prefiero morir de pie que vivir de rodillas. (I'd rather die on my feet, than live on my knees.)" Emiliano Zapata

Thread: So The Spy Services Are The Real Internet Trolls / The Intercept begins releasing large batches of Snowden documents, p. 5 (Page 5)

Worth to check: [link to firstlook.org (secure)]

Daily updated archive - [link to www.matthewaid.com]

"This is not a new world, it is simply an extension of what began in the old one. It has patterned itself after every dictator who has ever planted the ripping imprint of a boot on the pages of history since the beginning of time. It has refinements, technological advances, and a more sophisticated approach to the destruction of human freedom. But like every one of the super-states that preceded it, it has one iron rule: logic is an enemy and truth is a menace." - "The Obsolete Man" - The Twilight Zone, 1961
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Gleb Bazov ‏@gbazov 8 min.
#FLASH - According to some journalist sources, the Junta is reopening and prepping bomb shelters in #Dnepropetrovsk. Question is ... why? ;)
“You don’t fear death, you welcome it. Your punishment must be more severe.” Bane

"Prefiero morir de pie que vivir de rodillas. (I'd rather die on my feet, than live on my knees.)" Emiliano Zapata

Thread: So The Spy Services Are The Real Internet Trolls / The Intercept begins releasing large batches of Snowden documents, p. 5 (Page 5)

Worth to check: [link to firstlook.org (secure)]

Daily updated archive - [link to www.matthewaid.com]

"This is not a new world, it is simply an extension of what began in the old one. It has patterned itself after every dictator who has ever planted the ripping imprint of a boot on the pages of history since the beginning of time. It has refinements, technological advances, and a more sophisticated approach to the destruction of human freedom. But like every one of the super-states that preceded it, it has one iron rule: logic is an enemy and truth is a menace." - "The Obsolete Man" - The Twilight Zone, 1961
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...

rofl5
Great thing about Russian Shills is they always talk above their intellect and outside their experience. Alaskans are fervently American citizens, to the last. Were I an American shill, I would say they are vehemently anti-Russian, very anti-Soviet. In fact, talking to Alaskans two things become very apparent. One, they are proud to be America's first line of defense against the Russians. Two, they take this self-bestowed honour very, very seriously.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1395706


Sigh.
The annoying part with you Russian hating people is that you go on YOUR own thoughts and ideas.

Try to look up some information for once.
Did you miss the petition "Alaska back to Russia"?

They had it on a short notice, etc. But more than 30k people signed it.
If they inform people before they release another petition, there will probably be a way bigger turn up.
 Quoting: Falter

30,000 Americans or Alaskans? I have family that live there, I know Alaskans and I'm quite comfortable saying the Tutsi's will establish a lunar colony before Alaskans secede or collaborate to do anything with the Russians.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1395706


Now that I understand what this thread is at GLP, it has become a source of comedic entertainment. The 7 or 8 dominant russian shills here trying to prop up their own delusions that russia is some sort of superpower. This dumbfuck from sweden included....While it is laughable to think that part of siberia would break away from moscow, would it not be justice for the millions of russian dissidents, minority nations russia had no use for, and for political prisoners shipped there to die?! Watch THE SOVIET STORY!! See what russia did to Ukraine and how siberia was their natural death solution.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 61100758


Do you want to talk about the IMF? I bet you never heard of the IMF. You never heard of Monsanto or fracking killing the environment. Nor do you wish to discuss that the genocidal, scorched earth tactics used in Gaza are the same as those used by gov in Ukraine. All you know is hate Putin.
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Shaktersk, militia checkpoint:


“You don’t fear death, you welcome it. Your punishment must be more severe.” Bane

"Prefiero morir de pie que vivir de rodillas. (I'd rather die on my feet, than live on my knees.)" Emiliano Zapata

Thread: So The Spy Services Are The Real Internet Trolls / The Intercept begins releasing large batches of Snowden documents, p. 5 (Page 5)

Worth to check: [link to firstlook.org (secure)]

Daily updated archive - [link to www.matthewaid.com]

"This is not a new world, it is simply an extension of what began in the old one. It has patterned itself after every dictator who has ever planted the ripping imprint of a boot on the pages of history since the beginning of time. It has refinements, technological advances, and a more sophisticated approach to the destruction of human freedom. But like every one of the super-states that preceded it, it has one iron rule: logic is an enemy and truth is a menace." - "The Obsolete Man" - The Twilight Zone, 1961
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You didn't answer my question.
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Here is some great detail on where various parts of the plane fell:


Map of a Tragedy: How MH17 Came Apart Over Ukraine
[link to graphics.wsj.com]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 61093221


Tnx great link !


As mentioned before : there is much to LESS DAMAGE that indicates a BUK MISSILE !!!

As stated by experts a BUK would have hit the plane from ABOVE and not from below like many seem to assume!
Nevertheless in either way there is far to less perforation and tearing-holes on the above-parts of the plane, nor the below-parts !!!

IF a BUK would have perforated the plane from below there would be punctures EVERYWHERE on the under-side of the plane as shown in this graphic : [link to 1-ps.googleusercontent.com]

However the PHOTO used in the link above showing the IMPACT from BELOW is a SECTION FROM THE UPPER COCKPIT !!! Thus the above-side of the plane !!!

And as seen in this link of yours : [link to graphics.wsj.com] the same wreckage at point 18
18. Upper Fuselage Skin
The violence of Flight 17’s destruction is evident in how it came to rest after its fall from 33,000 feet. The white-painted skin of the forward fuselage is pocked with what appear to be shrapnel holes. This piece, when installed on the aircraft, is just behind and above the pilot’s flight deck windows in the side or upper ceiling.


You clearly see the BEND-IN HOLES which proof that it was not punctured trough from a below-attack !!!

All the images do not proof a BUK-MISSILE ATTACK !
They rather lead more to the FIGHTER-JET AMUNITION ATTACK !


xxxK
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Babay ‏@Truth_Seeker_11 45 sek.
#Kharkov tank factory was fired at overnight with a RPG flame thrower

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“You don’t fear death, you welcome it. Your punishment must be more severe.” Bane

"Prefiero morir de pie que vivir de rodillas. (I'd rather die on my feet, than live on my knees.)" Emiliano Zapata

Thread: So The Spy Services Are The Real Internet Trolls / The Intercept begins releasing large batches of Snowden documents, p. 5 (Page 5)

Worth to check: [link to firstlook.org (secure)]

Daily updated archive - [link to www.matthewaid.com]

"This is not a new world, it is simply an extension of what began in the old one. It has patterned itself after every dictator who has ever planted the ripping imprint of a boot on the pages of history since the beginning of time. It has refinements, technological advances, and a more sophisticated approach to the destruction of human freedom. But like every one of the super-states that preceded it, it has one iron rule: logic is an enemy and truth is a menace." - "The Obsolete Man" - The Twilight Zone, 1961
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Did Saakashvili's wife, Sandra Roelofs, not fly on MH17 for a reason (i.e. because Mikheil Saakashvili knew that MH17 was going to get shot down)?

She's changed her story a bit. At first it was Saakashvili himself who offered up the information that his wife escaped the tragedy when he said that his wife was planning to go to the HIV conference in Melbourne but that she was too tired to go this year, and decided to stay at home with the kids.

Well... ok then, but now she's seems to have changed that story and come up with a more elaborate reason why she didn't attend the conference this year...

I, every second year, go to that conference, as one year it is technical and one year it is advocacy. This year [the conference] was technical and I did not go.

[link to www.georgianews.ge]
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 Quoting: Krispy71


You didn't answer my question.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 61119025


Possible, but investigation could tell. Also, damage looking like machine gun fire where reported on 3 parts of fuselage. They broke apart, so if shot in the air the damage should spread in "a line of fire" on the broken parts when put back together. There is a good website which collected all pictures, I think there it should be visible what the pattern of the damage is.
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All the images do not proof a BUK-MISSILE ATTACK !
They rather lead more to the FIGHTER-JET AMUNITION ATTACK !


xxxK
 Quoting: Krispy71


Trying again, you are so hard to talk with......
What if the rebels shot the plane down and then started shooting at the cockpit to cover their traces? Did it you think about that?
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Rock Solid Politics ‏@BradCabana 9 min.
RT Igor Berezin (dpt. MoD of DPR): in & around #Shakhtersk #Ukraine lost about 1000 killed.It's an ocean of blood via @Russian_Dawn #cdnpoli


Gleb Bazov ‏@gbazov 3 min.
#BREAKING - Fyodor Berezin: "A thousand corpses of #Ukraine's soldiers lie near Shakhtersk" - Full Translation Coming Soon. #NOVOROSSIYA
 Quoting: KneelB4Zod!


DAMN!

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Clear evidence of shrapnel damage:

[link to www.metabunk.org (secure)]
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Clear evidence of shrapnel damage:

[link to www.metabunk.org (secure)]
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Can you be more specific? What exactly do you call a clear evidence?
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All the images do not proof a BUK-MISSILE ATTACK !
They rather lead more to the FIGHTER-JET AMUNITION ATTACK !


xxxK
 Quoting: Krispy71


Trying again, you are so hard to talk with......
What if the rebels shot the plane down and then started shooting at the cockpit to cover their traces? Did it you think about that?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 61119025


I guess not.
[link to en.wikipedia.org]
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[[[snipped other quotes]]]

From the Sukhoi website (manufacturer of the Su-25) -

[link to www.sukhoi.org]

Service ceiling (without external ordnance and stores), 7 km

and its even less with external weapons.

Besides the issue of that well-documented Buk SAM in Torez and Snizhne that day, and then in Luhansk minus one missile just is not going to go away despite the Russian government and shills wishing it would.

Also 'citizen of EU' is an untrustworthy source full of lies and is just another of the Russian government's tens of thousands of Twitter shills.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 61093221


You don't have to be at the very same flight level to engage...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 61068491


In 2010 they have modded SU25, incl engines. same as in SU39. Service Ceiling SU39 is 12.000m

Ukrainian modernization program from the year 2010. This includes the strengthening of the cell, modern navigation equipment, multifunctional displays, target allocation system, self-defense systems and the R-195 engines in the use of the Su-39 and Su-25TM. The cost of retrofitting an aircraft amounted to U.S. $ 1,232,000. All Su-25 should be converted to the standard M1. The first aircraft were delivered to the Ukrainian Air Force, 2011. It is not known how many planes have already been converted
[link to de.wikipedia.org]
 Quoting: °Lucy°


applause2

That is what I have said before :)
It is otherwise easy to retrofit or adjust a few planes to reach the desired hight !! (No one has to know officially)




xxxK
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Holland girl, you are such an unpleasant person. And I'm pro-Russian. Imagine.
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All the images do not proof a BUK-MISSILE ATTACK !
They rather lead more to the FIGHTER-JET AMUNITION ATTACK !


xxxK
 Quoting: Krispy71


Trying again, you are so hard to talk with......
What if the rebels shot the plane down and then started shooting at the cockpit to cover their traces? Did it you think about that?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 61119025


bullets from AK-47 differ quite a lot from 30mm jet gun cannons. It's easy to see the difference for an expert
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30,000 Americans or Alaskans? I have family that live there, I know Alaskans and I'm quite comfortable saying the Tutsi's will establish a lunar colony before Alaskans secede or collaborate to do anything with the Russians.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1395706


Now that I understand what this thread is at GLP, it has become a source of comedic entertainment. The 7 or 8 dominant russian shills here trying to prop up their own delusions that russia is some sort of superpower. This dumbfuck from sweden included....While it is laughable to think that part of siberia would break away from moscow, would it not be justice for the millions of russian dissidents, minority nations russia had no use for, and for political prisoners shipped there to die?! Watch THE SOVIET STORY!! See what russia did to Ukraine and how siberia was their natural death solution.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 61100758


Do you want to talk about the IMF? I bet you never heard of the IMF. You never heard of Monsanto or fracking killing the environment. Nor do you wish to discuss that the genocidal, scorched earth tactics used in Gaza are the same as those used by gov in Ukraine. All you know is hate Putin.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 60299016


just enter those topics in glp search, and 'voila'

otherwise it is the wrong thread for that.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 61120119


Lol. Like R.I.C.O. was the wrong topic at John Gotti's funeral.

Its not surprising someone justifying a war based on flag-waving nationalism and sovereignty, doesn't wish to address how an allegedly free and sovereign nation can be up to its eye balls in borrowed money and still be free and sovereign when its IMF lender is dictating policy in order to maintain the loan and a continuing line of credit.

From what I remember, the IMF directed the Maiden govt to peruse an aggressive war in E Ukraine as a condition for more IMF money. That isn't isn't worth talking about, comrade?

But. Ya know. I suspect an IMF discussion is way above your competency level. Hate Putin and wave the flag.
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Do you want to talk about the IMF? I bet you never heard of the IMF. You never heard of Monsanto or fracking killing the environment. Nor do you wish to discuss that the genocidal, scorched earth tactics used in Gaza are the same as those used by gov in Ukraine. All you know is hate Putin.
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just enter those topics in glp search, and 'voila'

otherwise it is the wrong thread for that.
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Lol. Like R.I.C.O. was the wrong topic at John Gotti's funeral.

Its not surprising someone justifying a war based on flag-waving nationalism and sovereignty, doesn't wish to address how an allegedly free and sovereign nation can be up to its eye balls in borrowed money and still be free and sovereign when its IMF lender is dictating policy in order to maintain the loan and a continuing line of credit.

From what I remember, the IMF directed the Maiden govt to peruse an aggressive war in E Ukraine as a condition for more IMF money. That isn't isn't worth talking about, comrade?

But. Ya know. I suspect an IMF discussion is way above your competency level. Hate Putin and wave the flag.
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i am not your comrade. otherwise, it is the wrong thread.
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So you admit you don't wish to discuss anymore than the most superficial reasons for the conflict. How old are you? I'd guess you have a mental age of about 16. But could be wrong. Just a guess based on your posts.
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All the images do not proof a BUK-MISSILE ATTACK !
They rather lead more to the FIGHTER-JET AMUNITION ATTACK !


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Trying again, you are so hard to talk with......
What if the rebels shot the plane down and then started shooting at the cockpit to cover their traces? Did it you think about that?
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bullets from AK-47 differ quite a lot from 30mm jet gun cannons. It's easy to see the difference for an expert
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All the images do not proof a BUK-MISSILE ATTACK !
They rather lead more to the FIGHTER-JET AMUNITION ATTACK !


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Trying again, you are so hard to talk with......
What if the rebels shot the plane down and then started shooting at the cockpit to cover their traces? Did it you think about that?
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bullets from AK-47 differ quite a lot from 30mm jet gun cannons. It's easy to see the difference for an expert
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Here is a very large collection of images from the wreckage

[link to secure.flickr.com (secure)]

But investigators are already working on determine the cause:

McKiGravKuciPaulNade ‏@McKGraKucPauNad 2 Min.
Malaysia Airlines #MH17 Boeing 777 cockpit wreckage was cut in half
to gain evidence of 30mm cannon shells that were fired into cockpit

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All the images do not proof a BUK-MISSILE ATTACK !
They rather lead more to the FIGHTER-JET AMUNITION ATTACK !


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Trying again, you are so hard to talk with......
What if the rebels shot the plane down and then started shooting at the cockpit to cover their traces? Did it you think about that?
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bullets from AK-47 differ quite a lot from 30mm jet gun cannons. It's easy to see the difference for an expert
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Who said AK-47? Posted a link above but obviously here is full of people who don't wanna know the truth, but only want to spill they propaganda. Good luck!
[link to en.wikipedia.org]
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Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387
Evidence Is Now Conclusive: 2 Ukrainian Government SU-25 Fighter-Jets Did Shoot Down that Malaysian Airliner. No “Buk” Missile Ground-Shot Was Involved.
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I am gonna spread this via FB !!!!


Further, there’s this 21 July photo-reconstruction of that cockpit-fragment positioned into place on the aircraft as it had originally been in that intact-airliner: [link to twitter.com (secure)] . Looking at that photo-reconstruction, one can easily tell that the SU-25 that was firing into the cockpit from the pilot’s left side didn’t just riddle the area surrounding the pilot with bullets, but that it then targeted-in specifically onto the pilot himself, producing at his location a huge gaping hole in the side of the plane precisely at the place where the pilot was seated. Furthermore, this gaping hole was produced by shooting into the plane, precisely at the pilot, from below and to the pilot’s left, which is where that SU-25 was located — not from above the airliner, and not from beside it, and also not from below it.

In other words: this was precise and closely-targeted firing against the pilot himself, not a blast directed broadly against, and aiming to hit, the plane anywhere, to bring it down.

Haisenko explained how this penetration of the plane, though it was targeted specifically at the pilot, caused immediately a breaking-apart of the entire aircraft.


Thus the "explosive decompression" ... explosive as in : RAPID ... and not as BY EXPLOSION OF A BOMB/MISSILE


What this means is that in order to have some of those holes frayed inwardly and the other holes frayed outwardly, there had to have been a second SU-25 fighter-jet firing into the cockpit from the airliner’s right-hand side. That’s critically important, because no Buk missile (or schrapnel therefrom) hitting the airliner could possibly have produced firing into the cockpit from both sides of the plane. It had to have been a hail of bullets from both sides, that brought the plane down, in that circumstance. This is Haisenko’s main discovery, by his pointing that out. You can’t have projectiles going in both directions — into the left-hand-side fuselage panel from both its left and right sides — unless they are coming at the panel from different directions. Nobody before Haisenko had noticed that the projectiles had ripped through that panel from both its left side and its right side. This is what rules out any ground-fired missile.


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Chief of the Russian Land Forces’ tactical air defense troops Maj. Gen. Mikhail Krush said he doubts that the Malaysian passenger liner was brought down by a Buk surface-to-air missile system. “No one observed a Buk engaging targets in that region on that day, which provides 95 percent proof that Buk systems were not used in this concrete case,” the general said in an interview with the Voyenno-Promyshlenny Kuryer military weekly to be published on Wednesday [July 30th]. ”This is no more than a theory for now. However, a guided missile launched by a Buk missile system leaves behind a specific smoke trail as it flies, like a comet. In daylight this trail can be clearly seen within a radius of 20-25 kilometers from the missile system. It cannot remain unnoticed. There are no eyewitnesses to confirm there was any. No one reported a launch. This is one thing,” he said. “Second. The holes left by the strike elements on the Boeing’s outer skin indicate that the warhead blew up from below and sideways. A Buk missile strikes the target from above,” he said. “The damage done to the plane suggests that a different missile was used. Our guidance method is a zoom, when the missile strikes the target from above covering it with a thick cloud of fragments the general said. “I cannot state categorically, guided by this data, but I can suggest, using my experience, that it was not a Buk missile that hit the Boeing,” the expert said.


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"“No one observed a Buk engaging targets in that region on that day, which provides 95 percent proof that Buk systems were not used in this concrete case,”"... says Russian general

Question I have is what is the flight time of a BUK from launch to impact?

For the Russian general to say that no one observed a BUK in flight is 95% proof a BUK was not fired.???

C'mon, this is clown logic. Zero cred for the general.
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Putin’s Choice: Cut a Face-Saving Deal or Become a Pariah

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“His strategy has shown a total lack of understanding of today's globalized world,” added Edward Goldberg, a professor at Baruch College and the New York University Center for Global Affairs.

“Grievances and believing that Russia still has a historic need for buffer states have distorted his reality to the point where his actions have dramatically hurt Russia's long-term interests.”

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Ha, ha, ha.

Who do you think hates Putin?

Who do you think wants to de-Slav eastern Europe?

Who do you think took over the US after the 2001 coup?

Who do you think brought about this out-of-control level of lies and corruption in the US?
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Question I have is what is the flight time of a BUK from launch to impact?

For the Russian general to say that no one observed a BUK in flight is 95% proof a BUK was not fired.???

C'mon, this is clown logic. Zero cred for the general.
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Its said a SA-11 missile travels at roughly 3 times the speed of sound. Would be like 3 miles in five seconds.
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Time for a Putin Truth Update.

The pro-Putin militants and their brethren (Russian invasion troops)suffered their most crushing defeat since hostilities began in the Eastern Ukrainian provinces. What makes this defeat so stinging is that it did not occur in Donetsk or Luhansk. It occurred in Moscow. Yes, I said Moscow. Putin's War cause was humiliated right before the man himself, the Duma, the world.

A state organized rally was held in Moscow for the separatists. The turn-out was embarrassing, it was humiliating, it was utter dejection. 500 people showed up to this rally for the separatists, only five-hundred.

Putin is enjoying an astounding 83% domestic approval rating. The Levada Centre conducted a recent poll and found that 70 percent say they believe Russian media are giving “an objective picture” of the situation. This number is essentially latent, de facto, strong support for Putin's policies in Ukraine.

Hmmm, something is very suspicious about the interrelations of these numbers. Putin's sky-high support. Poll shows very strong support for separatists and yet, only 500 people turn-up in Moscow which is a city of 11.5 million. Very dubious indeed. Dare I say it merits further investigation.

Pro-Separatist Rally in Moscow Today
15:29 (GMT)

A rally was held today in Moscow to rally support for separatist fighters in south-eastern Ukraine.

The rally "For the Struggle for Donbass", was reportedly only attended by around 500 people (according to the independent Russian news site Grani.ru). (See also our Russia This Week blog).

Earlier, RT's Ruptly service, who provided live streaming of the event, had written that "thousands are expected to attend."
[link to www.interpretermag.com]

Here is the second phase of Putin's worst defeat in Ukraine. On March 15, 2014 50,000 people took to the streets in absolute protest against Putin's military seizure of Ukraine. What makes this truly incredible was the Crimea action was said to have far greater support amongst Muscovites than the present action in Ukraine. [link to warincontext.org]

So the people that matter most to Putin, the most powerful electorate in Russia have spoken, no, they have roared. 500 support Putin's insane incremental invasion of Donetsk and Luhansk. 50,000 resoundly rejected the military seizure of Crimea-the supposed more 'popular' action of the two.

Putin's house is divided and he'll never see it for himself b/c hes has banned the internet in his offices, along with smart mobile phones. Putin's contempt for technology has isolated him from the Russian people, just like the world.
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One of the top ten posts in this thread.
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Lol. Sounds like bs targeted at 20-somethings who only glance at headline.
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500 people turn out in Moscow to support ukr separatists. Its not a joke and Putin wouldn't find it funny. 500 people showed up to support Putin's critical first major step in restoring the Russian Empire. Bad sign for Putin.
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Clear evidence of shrapnel damage:

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If you look closely, you'll see some holes made from outside-in.

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