UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387

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UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387
Anonymous Coward User ID: 46431582 United States 08/29/2014 03:46 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation	Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 MOSCOW, August 29 (RIA Novosti) - The prime minister of the self-proclaimed Donetsk People’s Republic Alexander Zakharchenko said the republic’s militia would set up a humanitarian corridor for the surrounded Kiev forces provided they give up their weapons. “We are ready to provide the Ukrainian forces encircled in those traps with humanitarian corridors, under condition that they give up military hardware and ammunition, so that all that is not used against us in the future,” Zakharchenko said in an interview with Rossiya 24 television. [link to en.ria.ru] Quoting: Anonymous Coward 62282333 only logical, isn´t it
KFinn User ID: 55865398 Australia 08/29/2014 03:47 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation	Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 marqs ‏@MarQs__ · 47 min. BREAKING: About 60 #Russia\|n tanks are just 20km away from #Mariupol [link to tsn.ua] … Hope they did not turn on their cloaking devices again! Quoting: KneelB4Zod! For the latest on the Ukraine Crisis - automatically updated every 15 mins. [link to www.rebelmouse.com (secure)]
Anonymous Coward User ID: 62275286 United States 08/29/2014 03:51 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation	Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 ... Hindsight, we do see Russian aggression but we see it more as Russian retaliation. But what we see 1000 time more is: 1. US shit stirring. 2. EU and IMF shit stirring. 3. US and UK aggression. 4. EU and western allies vocal aggression and demonisation. 5. Hysterical NATO aggression. 6. Kiev mass murder of its own citizens. 7. 24/7 barrage of western and Kiev LIES LIES LIES. Don't forget Hindsight, Russia didn't start this shit, the West did. Your opinions are welcome and they provide some balance but calling everyone Russian trolls and shills is immature and dumb. We would be better described as armchair truth seekers and armchair resistance fighters. Of course the Russians are in Eastern Ukraine but so is every other country so what's the problem? If it's okay for Kiev to accept assistance from different countries then it should also be okay for Eastern Ukrainians to accept assistance from outsiders as well. Russia has not yet officially confirmed their presence in Eastern Ukraine and as yet nobody has been able to prove one way or the other - except for those 10 paratroopers. If and when Russia does confirm their presence, then it's WWIII and nobody is ready for that. For now their denial is the only thing keeping all of us safe so be thankful for that. In the meantime we will continue to debunk the Kiev and Western lies and support the Eastern Ukrainians whose basic human right are being grossly violated on a daily basis. We are not trolls, we are truth seekers and that is why this thread exists on GLP. Quoting: hIndsIght2020 You're not a truth seeking ANYTHING! You are a pro russian outright supporter, cheering your team on. Ukraine has fought for a very long time to be free. Why do you think Lenin tried to starve these people out in 1932? It's been going on that long if not longer. If it were the martians instead of nazi germany whom the ukrainians sided with for their independance fight, I guess the russian shills would be calling them martians instead of nazis. They will side with anyone who can help them be free. As far as I'm concerned the russians actions are cowardly. They send unmarked troops into crimea to take it. Apparently now they are stupid enough to think they can do it again. But then again, the NKVD army did raid the battlefields in WW2 and remove the dog tags from fallen russian soldiers. No other country in the history of the world has ever done something more despicable. Sending troops in such a cowardly fashion is equal to former atrocities. Quoting: KFinn Thanks for your response and I respect your opinions. Firstly I am not pro Russian and have nothing to do with Russia or slavic people for that matter. Heck I was raised to fear the Commies and to this day I still hold many old suspicions regarding the actions of Russia. I also hold the same niggling feelings for Germany (the Nazis) and Japan. What Lenin, Stalin and the Bolsheviks did over many decades is absolutely horrific to Russians and neighbouring countries, especially Ukraine. What the Nazis did is also truly horrific and I truly hope we never see those ideologies rear their evil heads again. I totally get that Ukraine has a history of bad blood with Russia and I also understand their needs and desires for true freedom and national sovereignty. All countries have the right to self determination as does every citizen within each country. We are now in the 2nd half of 2014 and the conflict in Ukraine is happening right now and this is where my opinions are coming from. The biggest problem I have here is the way Kiev and Maidan turned out. What started off as peaceful protests with the help of US and EU meddling, ended up as a violent coup d,etat. Also, those protests in Kiev only included the wishes of half the country - the western half. Eastern Ukraine were completely excluded from the wishes of how their country was to be governed. You could say that half the population have been excluded from participating in the governance of their country. I would even go so far as to assume that most of the original Maidan supporters are not at all happy with how it turned out. I personally feel that Eastern Ukraine have a very legitimate complaint and the way Kiev handled the situation has lead to the events we are currently witnessing today. I feel their fears of exclusion and ethnic discrimination were well founded and since April those fears have been proven correct. The indiscriminate slaughter of your own countrymen because they didn't agree with an violent, illegal coup d,etat is in my view absolutely disgusting and deserves international condemnation. But instead we are witnessing international support for those illegal murderous actions. What if this occurred in your country or mine? Would you be happy? I know I wouldn't especially if I was staring down the barrel of a gun. So, this is not about me being Russian anything but more about the rights of Eastern Ukrainians. Whoever want to help the Eastern Ukrainians in their right to life are in my view, welcome whether it is from Russia or any other country. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 62275286 These "countrymen" as you call them. Imagine a dictator from China that conquered Australia. This dictator rounded up every aussie and aboriginie and sent their ass to antarctica. The dwellings these people vacated were infused a short time later by chinese military, party bosses,chinese gernerals family etc.etc. Suppose these chinese held this position for decades...children....grandchildren..great granchildren...Do these transplants hold sway to a population....a COUNTRY.....who overall wants to be free?
Anonymous Coward User ID: 46705080 Netherlands 08/29/2014 03:53 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation	Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 What an shameful defeat for Neocon NWO plans and their cheerleaders. We are all Russians now I guess? egh.
KneelB4Zod! User ID: 18164985 Denmark 08/29/2014 03:54 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation	Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 Ukraine: See aftermath of DPR-Ukrainian army battle “You don’t fear death, you welcome it. Your punishment must be more severe.” - Bane "This is not a new world, it is simply an extension of what began in the old one. It has patterned itself after every dictator who has ever planted the ripping imprint of a boot on the pages of history since the beginning of time. It has refinements, technological advances, and a more sophisticated approach to the destruction of human freedom. But like every one of the super-states that preceded it, it has one iron rule: logic is an enemy and truth is a menace." - "The Obsolete Man" - The Twilight Zone, 1961 __________________________________________________________________________ "I assure you, ladies and gentlemen that, very soon history will show that we and our allies have fought a war on behalf of the whole world against terrorism supported by governments that will be held accountable by its own people..." Quoting Dostoyevsky: "Rest assured, hell is big enough for all. It doesn't deserve this fierce competition over who will be the worst." - Dr. Bashar Jaafari, UNSC session, 22nd of February, 2018 [link to youtu.be (secure)] __________________________________________________________________________ [link to www.godlikeproductions.com]
Anonymous Coward User ID: 62282333 Croatia 08/29/2014 03:56 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation	Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 07:51 GMT, Aug 29, 2014 Russia’s Defense Ministry ridicules NATO’s photo-proof of invasion in Ukraine [link to rt.com]

KneelB4Zod! User ID: 18164985 Denmark 08/29/2014 03:56 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation	Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 marqs ‏@MarQs__ · 47 min. BREAKING: About 60 #Russia\|n tanks are just 20km away from #Mariupol [link to tsn.ua] … Hope they did not turn on their cloaking devices again! Quoting: KneelB4Zod! Quoting: KFinn “You don’t fear death, you welcome it. Your punishment must be more severe.” - Bane "This is not a new world, it is simply an extension of what began in the old one. It has patterned itself after every dictator who has ever planted the ripping imprint of a boot on the pages of history since the beginning of time. It has refinements, technological advances, and a more sophisticated approach to the destruction of human freedom. But like every one of the super-states that preceded it, it has one iron rule: logic is an enemy and truth is a menace." - "The Obsolete Man" - The Twilight Zone, 1961 __________________________________________________________________________ "I assure you, ladies and gentlemen that, very soon history will show that we and our allies have fought a war on behalf of the whole world against terrorism supported by governments that will be held accountable by its own people..." Quoting Dostoyevsky: "Rest assured, hell is big enough for all. It doesn't deserve this fierce competition over who will be the worst." - Dr. Bashar Jaafari, UNSC session, 22nd of February, 2018 [link to youtu.be (secure)] __________________________________________________________________________ [link to www.godlikeproductions.com]
Anonymous Coward User ID: 46705080 Netherlands 08/29/2014 03:57 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation	Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 What an shameful defeat for Neocon NWO plans and their cheerleaders. We are all Russians now I guess? egh. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 46705080 Here in Holland. None talks about that plane anymore. There are no grieving families, nothing.. Total silence.. What an joke. Since times of Nero and Caligula western world did not have such an lunny-tuny leadership and advocacy. :familypicture10:
KneelB4Zod! User ID: 18164985 Denmark 08/29/2014 03:58 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation	Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 Steiner ‏@Steiner1776 · 5 min. #Novorossiya South Ossetian Self Defense volunteers. Battalion "Alan" pic.twitter.com/k6HbqMkMYE via @FPaidinfull #Ukraine [link to pbs.twimg.com (secure)] “You don’t fear death, you welcome it. Your punishment must be more severe.” - Bane "This is not a new world, it is simply an extension of what began in the old one. It has patterned itself after every dictator who has ever planted the ripping imprint of a boot on the pages of history since the beginning of time. It has refinements, technological advances, and a more sophisticated approach to the destruction of human freedom. But like every one of the super-states that preceded it, it has one iron rule: logic is an enemy and truth is a menace." - "The Obsolete Man" - The Twilight Zone, 1961 __________________________________________________________________________ "I assure you, ladies and gentlemen that, very soon history will show that we and our allies have fought a war on behalf of the whole world against terrorism supported by governments that will be held accountable by its own people..." Quoting Dostoyevsky: "Rest assured, hell is big enough for all. It doesn't deserve this fierce competition over who will be the worst." - Dr. Bashar Jaafari, UNSC session, 22nd of February, 2018 [link to youtu.be (secure)] __________________________________________________________________________ [link to www.godlikeproductions.com]
Anonymous Coward User ID: 62275286 United States 08/29/2014 04:02 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation	Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 ... Morning Zod. I'm still catching up on last nights posts. I woke up this morning to 25 pages of catch up. :) Quoting: KFinn Whats to catch? 101-st twitter invasion so far on Ukraine! Situation on ground shows Kiev will collapse in 5 minutes if there ever would be a real invasion.Those loonies are clueless. Bunch of puppets... And of course we have prez.Obama admits that US overestimated this whole situation. Another foreign policy disaster! Idiots!Too bad they dont get to be persecuted for instigating this whole mess in first place! Quoting: Anonymous Coward 62280651 Yep, basically Obama threw Ukraine under the bus last night. With the sole proviso that the US Embassy in Kiev (and presumably CIA etc workers in Kiev) are not damaged. No military help from the US, and quite possibly no money either. Quoting: FormerlyBritish USA = Sexy Fingers - they fuck everything they touch. BTW thanks for the summary report. [/quo For your mutha russia's sake....you'd better hope the american military has something else to occupy. If this was the americans versus the russian drunks.....YOUR ASS IS SMOKED!!! You continue to to draw a conflict your ass can not imagine....And aussie land is for the most part a barren wasteland, ripe for ICBM trials.
KneelB4Zod! User ID: 18164985 Denmark 08/29/2014 04:07 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation	Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 Collection of photos from Saur Mogila. [link to pbs.twimg.com (secure)] [link to pbs.twimg.com (secure)] [link to pbs.twimg.com (secure)] [link to pbs.twimg.com (secure)] [link to pbs.twimg.com (secure)] [link to pbs.twimg.com (secure)] [link to pbs.twimg.com (secure)] [link to pbs.twimg.com (secure)] [link to pbs.twimg.com (secure)] [link to pbs.twimg.com (secure)] [link to pbs.twimg.com (secure)] [link to pbs.twimg.com (secure)] [link to pbs.twimg.com (secure)] [link to pbs.twimg.com (secure)] [link to pbs.twimg.com (secure)] [link to pbs.twimg.com (secure)] [link to pbs.twimg.com (secure)] “You don’t fear death, you welcome it. Your punishment must be more severe.” - Bane "This is not a new world, it is simply an extension of what began in the old one. It has patterned itself after every dictator who has ever planted the ripping imprint of a boot on the pages of history since the beginning of time. It has refinements, technological advances, and a more sophisticated approach to the destruction of human freedom. But like every one of the super-states that preceded it, it has one iron rule: logic is an enemy and truth is a menace." - "The Obsolete Man" - The Twilight Zone, 1961 __________________________________________________________________________ "I assure you, ladies and gentlemen that, very soon history will show that we and our allies have fought a war on behalf of the whole world against terrorism supported by governments that will be held accountable by its own people..." Quoting Dostoyevsky: "Rest assured, hell is big enough for all. It doesn't deserve this fierce competition over who will be the worst." - Dr. Bashar Jaafari, UNSC session, 22nd of February, 2018 [link to youtu.be (secure)] __________________________________________________________________________ [link to www.godlikeproductions.com]
KneelB4Zod! User ID: 18164985 Denmark 08/29/2014 04:11 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation	Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 marqs ‏@MarQs__ · 5 min. 3rd Mig-29 from Belbek unit(moved to Mykolaiv) is repaired now #liveuamap [link to liveuamap.com] … marqs ‏@MarQs__ · 5 min. Ukrainian forces killed up to 100 Russian soldiers near Snizhne with GRAD MLRS #liveuamap [link to liveuamap.com] … marqs ‏@MarQs__ · 4 min. #Ukrainian checkpoint in #Bezymenne was shelled, #ATO forces retreated to #Mariupol because of lack of weapons to respond “You don’t fear death, you welcome it. Your punishment must be more severe.” - Bane "This is not a new world, it is simply an extension of what began in the old one. It has patterned itself after every dictator who has ever planted the ripping imprint of a boot on the pages of history since the beginning of time. It has refinements, technological advances, and a more sophisticated approach to the destruction of human freedom. But like every one of the super-states that preceded it, it has one iron rule: logic is an enemy and truth is a menace." - "The Obsolete Man" - The Twilight Zone, 1961 __________________________________________________________________________ "I assure you, ladies and gentlemen that, very soon history will show that we and our allies have fought a war on behalf of the whole world against terrorism supported by governments that will be held accountable by its own people..." Quoting Dostoyevsky: "Rest assured, hell is big enough for all. It doesn't deserve this fierce competition over who will be the worst." - Dr. Bashar Jaafari, UNSC session, 22nd of February, 2018 [link to youtu.be (secure)] __________________________________________________________________________ [link to www.godlikeproductions.com]
Anonymous Coward User ID: 62282333 Croatia 08/29/2014 04:13 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation	Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 What an shameful defeat for Neocon NWO plans and their cheerleaders. We are all Russians now I guess? egh. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 46705080 Here in Holland. None talks about that plane anymore. There are no grieving families, nothing.. Total silence.. What an joke. Since times of Nero and Caligula western world did not have such an lunny-tuny leadership and advocacy. :familypicture10: Quoting: Anonymous Coward 46705080 That 'family picture' OMG
KneelB4Zod! User ID: 18164985 Denmark 08/29/2014 04:24 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation	Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 marqs ‏@MarQs__ · 15 min. PT - If #ATO retreated from #Bezymenne, #Russia\|ns probably already there now. Means 20km to #Mariupol outskirts. Confirms earlier reports. “You don’t fear death, you welcome it. Your punishment must be more severe.” - Bane "This is not a new world, it is simply an extension of what began in the old one. It has patterned itself after every dictator who has ever planted the ripping imprint of a boot on the pages of history since the beginning of time. It has refinements, technological advances, and a more sophisticated approach to the destruction of human freedom. But like every one of the super-states that preceded it, it has one iron rule: logic is an enemy and truth is a menace." - "The Obsolete Man" - The Twilight Zone, 1961 __________________________________________________________________________ "I assure you, ladies and gentlemen that, very soon history will show that we and our allies have fought a war on behalf of the whole world against terrorism supported by governments that will be held accountable by its own people..." Quoting Dostoyevsky: "Rest assured, hell is big enough for all. It doesn't deserve this fierce competition over who will be the worst." - Dr. Bashar Jaafari, UNSC session, 22nd of February, 2018 [link to youtu.be (secure)] __________________________________________________________________________ [link to www.godlikeproductions.com]
Anonymous Coward User ID: 48397390 Ireland 08/29/2014 04:28 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation	Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 ... Hindsight, we do see Russian aggression but we see it more as Russian retaliation. But what we see 1000 time more is: 1. US shit stirring. 2. EU and IMF shit stirring. 3. US and UK aggression. 4. EU and western allies vocal aggression and demonisation. 5. Hysterical NATO aggression. 6. Kiev mass murder of its own citizens. 7. 24/7 barrage of western and Kiev LIES LIES LIES. Don't forget Hindsight, Russia didn't start this shit, the West did. Your opinions are welcome and they provide some balance but calling everyone Russian trolls and shills is immature and dumb. We would be better described as armchair truth seekers and armchair resistance fighters. Of course the Russians are in Eastern Ukraine but so is every other country so what's the problem? If it's okay for Kiev to accept assistance from different countries then it should also be okay for Eastern Ukrainians to accept assistance from outsiders as well. Russia has not yet officially confirmed their presence in Eastern Ukraine and as yet nobody has been able to prove one way or the other - except for those 10 paratroopers. If and when Russia does confirm their presence, then it's WWIII and nobody is ready for that. For now their denial is the only thing keeping all of us safe so be thankful for that. In the meantime we will continue to debunk the Kiev and Western lies and support the Eastern Ukrainians whose basic human right are being grossly violated on a daily basis. We are not trolls, we are truth seekers and that is why this thread exists on GLP. Quoting: hIndsIght2020 You're not a truth seeking ANYTHING! You are a pro russian outright supporter, cheering your team on. Ukraine has fought for a very long time to be free. Why do you think Lenin tried to starve these people out in 1932? It's been going on that long if not longer. If it were the martians instead of nazi germany whom the ukrainians sided with for their independance fight, I guess the russian shills would be calling them martians instead of nazis. They will side with anyone who can help them be free. As far as I'm concerned the russians actions are cowardly. They send unmarked troops into crimea to take it. Apparently now they are stupid enough to think they can do it again. But then again, the NKVD army did raid the battlefields in WW2 and remove the dog tags from fallen russian soldiers. No other country in the history of the world has ever done something more despicable. Sending troops in such a cowardly fashion is equal to former atrocities. Quoting: KFinn Thanks for your response and I respect your opinions. Firstly I am not pro Russian and have nothing to do with Russia or slavic people for that matter. Heck I was raised to fear the Commies and to this day I still hold many old suspicions regarding the actions of Russia. I also hold the same niggling feelings for Germany (the Nazis) and Japan. What Lenin, Stalin and the Bolsheviks did over many decades is absolutely horrific to Russians and neighbouring countries, especially Ukraine. What the Nazis did is also truly horrific and I truly hope we never see those ideologies rear their evil heads again. I totally get that Ukraine has a history of bad blood with Russia and I also understand their needs and desires for true freedom and national sovereignty. All countries have the right to self determination as does every citizen within each country. We are now in the 2nd half of 2014 and the conflict in Ukraine is happening right now and this is where my opinions are coming from. The biggest problem I have here is the way Kiev and Maidan turned out. What started off as peaceful protests with the help of US and EU meddling, ended up as a violent coup d,etat. Also, those protests in Kiev only included the wishes of half the country - the western half. Eastern Ukraine were completely excluded from the wishes of how their country was to be governed. You could say that half the population have been excluded from participating in the governance of their country. I would even go so far as to assume that most of the original Maidan supporters are not at all happy with how it turned out. I personally feel that Eastern Ukraine have a very legitimate complaint and the way Kiev handled the situation has lead to the events we are currently witnessing today. I feel their fears of exclusion and ethnic discrimination were well founded and since April those fears have been proven correct. The indiscriminate slaughter of your own countrymen because they didn't agree with an violent, illegal coup d,etat is in my view absolutely disgusting and deserves international condemnation. But instead we are witnessing international support for those illegal murderous actions. What if this occurred in your country or mine? Would you be happy? I know I wouldn't especially if I was staring down the barrel of a gun. So, this is not about me being Russian anything but more about the rights of Eastern Ukrainians. Whoever want to help the Eastern Ukrainians in their right to life are in my view, welcome whether it is from Russia or any other country. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 62275286 Polite, concise, and on point. Quite well said in my opinion as are many of the posters on here. We all like a bit of banter and having a thoughtful opinion does not make one a shill or a fool. There is a war on here with the potential to change our world as we know it forever. Some of the perceived " team " players are never going to come home. Made me wonder as I watched the downed passenger jet. A field of Sunflowers gazing up at the Sunshine and our doings. Not so long ago it was Poppies blazing in the Sun. Thank you for the thread OP. I get most of my real news here...........
KFinn User ID: 55865398 Australia 08/29/2014 04:35 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation	Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 ... You're not a truth seeking ANYTHING! You are a pro russian outright supporter, cheering your team on. Ukraine has fought for a very long time to be free. Why do you think Lenin tried to starve these people out in 1932? It's been going on that long if not longer. If it were the martians instead of nazi germany whom the ukrainians sided with for their independance fight, I guess the russian shills would be calling them martians instead of nazis. They will side with anyone who can help them be free. As far as I'm concerned the russians actions are cowardly. They send unmarked troops into crimea to take it. Apparently now they are stupid enough to think they can do it again. But then again, the NKVD army did raid the battlefields in WW2 and remove the dog tags from fallen russian soldiers. No other country in the history of the world has ever done something more despicable. Sending troops in such a cowardly fashion is equal to former atrocities. Quoting: KFinn Thanks for your response and I respect your opinions. Firstly I am not pro Russian and have nothing to do with Russia or slavic people for that matter. Heck I was raised to fear the Commies and to this day I still hold many old suspicions regarding the actions of Russia. I also hold the same niggling feelings for Germany (the Nazis) and Japan. What Lenin, Stalin and the Bolsheviks did over many decades is absolutely horrific to Russians and neighbouring countries, especially Ukraine. What the Nazis did is also truly horrific and I truly hope we never see those ideologies rear their evil heads again. I totally get that Ukraine has a history of bad blood with Russia and I also understand their needs and desires for true freedom and national sovereignty. All countries have the right to self determination as does every citizen within each country. We are now in the 2nd half of 2014 and the conflict in Ukraine is happening right now and this is where my opinions are coming from. The biggest problem I have here is the way Kiev and Maidan turned out. What started off as peaceful protests with the help of US and EU meddling, ended up as a violent coup d,etat. Also, those protests in Kiev only included the wishes of half the country - the western half. Eastern Ukraine were completely excluded from the wishes of how their country was to be governed. You could say that half the population have been excluded from participating in the governance of their country. I would even go so far as to assume that most of the original Maidan supporters are not at all happy with how it turned out. I personally feel that Eastern Ukraine have a very legitimate complaint and the way Kiev handled the situation has lead to the events we are currently witnessing today. I feel their fears of exclusion and ethnic discrimination were well founded and since April those fears have been proven correct. The indiscriminate slaughter of your own countrymen because they didn't agree with an violent, illegal coup d,etat is in my view absolutely disgusting and deserves international condemnation. But instead we are witnessing international support for those illegal murderous actions. What if this occurred in your country or mine? Would you be happy? I know I wouldn't especially if I was staring down the barrel of a gun. So, this is not about me being Russian anything but more about the rights of Eastern Ukrainians. Whoever want to help the Eastern Ukrainians in their right to life are in my view, welcome whether it is from Russia or any other country. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 62275286 These "countrymen" as you call them. Imagine a dictator from China that conquered Australia. This dictator rounded up every aussie and aboriginie and sent their ass to antarctica. The dwellings these people vacated were infused a short time later by chinese military, party bosses,chinese gernerals family etc.etc. Suppose these chinese held this position for decades...children....grandchildren..great granchildren...Do these transplants hold sway to a population....a COUNTRY.....who overall wants to be free? Quoting: KFinn Violent coup d'etats and mass murdering innocent civilians, no matter their ethnic heritage is NOT the way to gain freedom. In fact it is illegal and disgusting. The illegitimate Ukrainian Government will never get my sympathies for those reasons. For the latest on the Ukraine Crisis - automatically updated every 15 mins. [link to www.rebelmouse.com (secure)]
KneelB4Zod! User ID: 18164985 Denmark 08/29/2014 04:36 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation	Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 Gleb Bazov ‏@gbazov · 2 min. #FLASH - #LPR Army has partially occupied #Lutugino. Very heavy urban fighting. Overnight #Rodakovo was lost. Plans to return it soon. tony_hartin ‏@tony_hartin · 5 min. Reports that #NAF have been fighting for two days in #Lutugino. #Ukies fighting house to house. #NAF took TV tower but had 10 KIA “You don’t fear death, you welcome it. Your punishment must be more severe.” - Bane "This is not a new world, it is simply an extension of what began in the old one. It has patterned itself after every dictator who has ever planted the ripping imprint of a boot on the pages of history since the beginning of time. It has refinements, technological advances, and a more sophisticated approach to the destruction of human freedom. But like every one of the super-states that preceded it, it has one iron rule: logic is an enemy and truth is a menace." - "The Obsolete Man" - The Twilight Zone, 1961 __________________________________________________________________________ "I assure you, ladies and gentlemen that, very soon history will show that we and our allies have fought a war on behalf of the whole world against terrorism supported by governments that will be held accountable by its own people..." Quoting Dostoyevsky: "Rest assured, hell is big enough for all. It doesn't deserve this fierce competition over who will be the worst." - Dr. Bashar Jaafari, UNSC session, 22nd of February, 2018 [link to youtu.be (secure)] __________________________________________________________________________ [link to www.godlikeproductions.com]
KneelB4Zod! User ID: 18164985 Denmark 08/29/2014 04:40 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation	Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 Steiner ‏@Steiner1776 · 2 min. #Breaking #CSTO ready for peacekeeping operation in #Ukraine [link to russian.rt.com] “You don’t fear death, you welcome it. Your punishment must be more severe.” - Bane "This is not a new world, it is simply an extension of what began in the old one. It has patterned itself after every dictator who has ever planted the ripping imprint of a boot on the pages of history since the beginning of time. It has refinements, technological advances, and a more sophisticated approach to the destruction of human freedom. But like every one of the super-states that preceded it, it has one iron rule: logic is an enemy and truth is a menace." - "The Obsolete Man" - The Twilight Zone, 1961 __________________________________________________________________________ "I assure you, ladies and gentlemen that, very soon history will show that we and our allies have fought a war on behalf of the whole world against terrorism supported by governments that will be held accountable by its own people..." Quoting Dostoyevsky: "Rest assured, hell is big enough for all. It doesn't deserve this fierce competition over who will be the worst." - Dr. Bashar Jaafari, UNSC session, 22nd of February, 2018 [link to youtu.be (secure)] __________________________________________________________________________ [link to www.godlikeproductions.com]
KFinn User ID: 55865398 Australia 08/29/2014 04:41 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation	Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 What an shameful defeat for Neocon NWO plans and their cheerleaders. We are all Russians now I guess? egh. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 46705080 Here in Holland. None talks about that plane anymore. There are no grieving families, nothing.. Total silence.. What an joke. Since times of Nero and Caligula western world did not have such an lunny-tuny leadership and advocacy. :familypicture10: Quoting: Anonymous Coward 46705080 Plane, what plane? No mention of it down here either. For all our international ranting and raving, there is now complete silence. All is forgotten down here. For the latest on the Ukraine Crisis - automatically updated every 15 mins. [link to www.rebelmouse.com (secure)]
KneelB4Zod! User ID: 18164985 Denmark 08/29/2014 04:45 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation	Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 marqs ‏@MarQs__ · 2 min. BREAKING: Eyewitnesses: about 300 #Russia\|n armored vehicles went into #Luhansk #liveuamap [link to liveuamap.com] … “You don’t fear death, you welcome it. Your punishment must be more severe.” - Bane "This is not a new world, it is simply an extension of what began in the old one. It has patterned itself after every dictator who has ever planted the ripping imprint of a boot on the pages of history since the beginning of time. It has refinements, technological advances, and a more sophisticated approach to the destruction of human freedom. But like every one of the super-states that preceded it, it has one iron rule: logic is an enemy and truth is a menace." - "The Obsolete Man" - The Twilight Zone, 1961 __________________________________________________________________________ "I assure you, ladies and gentlemen that, very soon history will show that we and our allies have fought a war on behalf of the whole world against terrorism supported by governments that will be held accountable by its own people..." Quoting Dostoyevsky: "Rest assured, hell is big enough for all. It doesn't deserve this fierce competition over who will be the worst." - Dr. Bashar Jaafari, UNSC session, 22nd of February, 2018 [link to youtu.be (secure)] __________________________________________________________________________ [link to www.godlikeproductions.com]
KFinn User ID: 55865398 Australia 08/29/2014 04:45 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation	Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 ... Whats to catch? 101-st twitter invasion so far on Ukraine! Situation on ground shows Kiev will collapse in 5 minutes if there ever would be a real invasion.Those loonies are clueless. Bunch of puppets... And of course we have prez.Obama admits that US overestimated this whole situation. Another foreign policy disaster! Idiots!Too bad they dont get to be persecuted for instigating this whole mess in first place! Quoting: Anonymous Coward 62280651 Yep, basically Obama threw Ukraine under the bus last night. With the sole proviso that the US Embassy in Kiev (and presumably CIA etc workers in Kiev) are not damaged. No military help from the US, and quite possibly no money either. Quoting: FormerlyBritish USA = Sexy Fingers - they fuck everything they touch. BTW thanks for the summary report. [/quo For your mutha russia's sake....you'd better hope the american military has something else to occupy. If this was the americans versus the russian drunks.....YOUR ASS IS SMOKED!!! You continue to to draw a conflict your ass can not imagine....And aussie land is for the most part a barren wasteland, ripe for ICBM trials. Quoting: KFinn Settle down ya freakin weirdo. For the latest on the Ukraine Crisis - automatically updated every 15 mins. [link to www.rebelmouse.com (secure)]
KneelB4Zod! User ID: 18164985 Denmark 08/29/2014 04:51 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation	Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 Results of yesterday shelling of Donetsk. “You don’t fear death, you welcome it. Your punishment must be more severe.” - Bane "This is not a new world, it is simply an extension of what began in the old one. It has patterned itself after every dictator who has ever planted the ripping imprint of a boot on the pages of history since the beginning of time. It has refinements, technological advances, and a more sophisticated approach to the destruction of human freedom. But like every one of the super-states that preceded it, it has one iron rule: logic is an enemy and truth is a menace." - "The Obsolete Man" - The Twilight Zone, 1961 __________________________________________________________________________ "I assure you, ladies and gentlemen that, very soon history will show that we and our allies have fought a war on behalf of the whole world against terrorism supported by governments that will be held accountable by its own people..." Quoting Dostoyevsky: "Rest assured, hell is big enough for all. It doesn't deserve this fierce competition over who will be the worst." - Dr. Bashar Jaafari, UNSC session, 22nd of February, 2018 [link to youtu.be (secure)] __________________________________________________________________________ [link to www.godlikeproductions.com]
KneelB4Zod! User ID: 18164985 Denmark 08/29/2014 04:55 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation	Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 Rock Solid Politics ‏@BradCabana · 5 min. SIT REP: #Ukraine army trapped in mini-pocket at #Bille S.W. of #Luhansk city shelling #Alchevsk. #cdnpoli Rock Solid Politics ‏@BradCabana · 3 min. SIT REP: There is fighting on the W flank of the #Amvrosievka Pocket. The pocket is getting smaller. #cdnpoli #Ukraine Rock Solid Politics ‏@BradCabana · 3 min. SIT REP: NAF are assaulting #Styla on the E flank of the #Donetsk Pocket. #cdnpoli #Ukraine Rock Solid Politics ‏@BradCabana · 1 min. SIT REP: NAF have captured #Makedonivka on the N outskirts of #Mariupol. Otherwise no change here. #cdnpoli #Ukraine Last Edited by KneelB4Zod! on 08/29/2014 04:56 AM “You don’t fear death, you welcome it. Your punishment must be more severe.” - Bane "This is not a new world, it is simply an extension of what began in the old one. It has patterned itself after every dictator who has ever planted the ripping imprint of a boot on the pages of history since the beginning of time. It has refinements, technological advances, and a more sophisticated approach to the destruction of human freedom. But like every one of the super-states that preceded it, it has one iron rule: logic is an enemy and truth is a menace." - "The Obsolete Man" - The Twilight Zone, 1961 __________________________________________________________________________ "I assure you, ladies and gentlemen that, very soon history will show that we and our allies have fought a war on behalf of the whole world against terrorism supported by governments that will be held accountable by its own people..." Quoting Dostoyevsky: "Rest assured, hell is big enough for all. It doesn't deserve this fierce competition over who will be the worst." - Dr. Bashar Jaafari, UNSC session, 22nd of February, 2018 [link to youtu.be (secure)] __________________________________________________________________________ [link to www.godlikeproductions.com]
Anonymous Coward User ID: 62282333 Croatia 08/29/2014 05:01 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation	Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 ... Thanks for your response and I respect your opinions. Firstly I am not pro Russian and have nothing to do with Russia or slavic people for that matter. Heck I was raised to fear the Commies and to this day I still hold many old suspicions regarding the actions of Russia. I also hold the same niggling feelings for Germany (the Nazis) and Japan. What Lenin, Stalin and the Bolsheviks did over many decades is absolutely horrific to Russians and neighbouring countries, especially Ukraine. What the Nazis did is also truly horrific and I truly hope we never see those ideologies rear their evil heads again. I totally get that Ukraine has a history of bad blood with Russia and I also understand their needs and desires for true freedom and national sovereignty. All countries have the right to self determination as does every citizen within each country. We are now in the 2nd half of 2014 and the conflict in Ukraine is happening right now and this is where my opinions are coming from. The biggest problem I have here is the way Kiev and Maidan turned out. What started off as peaceful protests with the help of US and EU meddling, ended up as a violent coup d,etat. Also, those protests in Kiev only included the wishes of half the country - the western half. Eastern Ukraine were completely excluded from the wishes of how their country was to be governed. You could say that half the population have been excluded from participating in the governance of their country. I would even go so far as to assume that most of the original Maidan supporters are not at all happy with how it turned out. I personally feel that Eastern Ukraine have a very legitimate complaint and the way Kiev handled the situation has lead to the events we are currently witnessing today. I feel their fears of exclusion and ethnic discrimination were well founded and since April those fears have been proven correct. The indiscriminate slaughter of your own countrymen because they didn't agree with an violent, illegal coup d,etat is in my view absolutely disgusting and deserves international condemnation. But instead we are witnessing international support for those illegal murderous actions. What if this occurred in your country or mine? Would you be happy? I know I wouldn't especially if I was staring down the barrel of a gun. So, this is not about me being Russian anything but more about the rights of Eastern Ukrainians. Whoever want to help the Eastern Ukrainians in their right to life are in my view, welcome whether it is from Russia or any other country. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 62275286 These "countrymen" as you call them. Imagine a dictator from China that conquered Australia. This dictator rounded up every aussie and aboriginie and sent their ass to antarctica. The dwellings these people vacated were infused a short time later by chinese military, party bosses,chinese gernerals family etc.etc. Suppose these chinese held this position for decades...children....grandchildren..great granchildren...Do these transplants hold sway to a population....a COUNTRY.....who overall wants to be free? Quoting: KFinn Violent coup d'etats and mass murdering innocent civilians, no matter their ethnic heritage is NOT the way to gain freedom. In fact it is illegal and disgusting. The illegitimate Ukrainian Government will never get my sympathies for those reasons. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 62275286 +1
KneelB4Zod! User ID: 18164985 Denmark 08/29/2014 05:03 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation	Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 Rock Solid Politics ‏@BradCabana · 19 sek. #BREAKING: UN: #Ukraine's military operation in East Ukraine contradicts international law [link to es.rt.com] #cdnpoli “You don’t fear death, you welcome it. Your punishment must be more severe.” - Bane "This is not a new world, it is simply an extension of what began in the old one. It has patterned itself after every dictator who has ever planted the ripping imprint of a boot on the pages of history since the beginning of time. It has refinements, technological advances, and a more sophisticated approach to the destruction of human freedom. But like every one of the super-states that preceded it, it has one iron rule: logic is an enemy and truth is a menace." - "The Obsolete Man" - The Twilight Zone, 1961 __________________________________________________________________________ "I assure you, ladies and gentlemen that, very soon history will show that we and our allies have fought a war on behalf of the whole world against terrorism supported by governments that will be held accountable by its own people..." Quoting Dostoyevsky: "Rest assured, hell is big enough for all. It doesn't deserve this fierce competition over who will be the worst." - Dr. Bashar Jaafari, UNSC session, 22nd of February, 2018 [link to youtu.be (secure)] __________________________________________________________________________ [link to www.godlikeproductions.com]
KFinn User ID: 55865398 Australia 08/29/2014 05:05 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation	Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 ... You're not a truth seeking ANYTHING! You are a pro russian outright supporter, cheering your team on. Ukraine has fought for a very long time to be free. Why do you think Lenin tried to starve these people out in 1932? It's been going on that long if not longer. If it were the martians instead of nazi germany whom the ukrainians sided with for their independance fight, I guess the russian shills would be calling them martians instead of nazis. They will side with anyone who can help them be free. As far as I'm concerned the russians actions are cowardly. They send unmarked troops into crimea to take it. Apparently now they are stupid enough to think they can do it again. But then again, the NKVD army did raid the battlefields in WW2 and remove the dog tags from fallen russian soldiers. No other country in the history of the world has ever done something more despicable. Sending troops in such a cowardly fashion is equal to former atrocities. Quoting: KFinn Thanks for your response and I respect your opinions. Firstly I am not pro Russian and have nothing to do with Russia or slavic people for that matter. Heck I was raised to fear the Commies and to this day I still hold many old suspicions regarding the actions of Russia. I also hold the same niggling feelings for Germany (the Nazis) and Japan. What Lenin, Stalin and the Bolsheviks did over many decades is absolutely horrific to Russians and neighbouring countries, especially Ukraine. What the Nazis did is also truly horrific and I truly hope we never see those ideologies rear their evil heads again. I totally get that Ukraine has a history of bad blood with Russia and I also understand their needs and desires for true freedom and national sovereignty. All countries have the right to self determination as does every citizen within each country. We are now in the 2nd half of 2014 and the conflict in Ukraine is happening right now and this is where my opinions are coming from. The biggest problem I have here is the way Kiev and Maidan turned out. What started off as peaceful protests with the help of US and EU meddling, ended up as a violent coup d,etat. Also, those protests in Kiev only included the wishes of half the country - the western half. Eastern Ukraine were completely excluded from the wishes of how their country was to be governed. You could say that half the population have been excluded from participating in the governance of their country. I would even go so far as to assume that most of the original Maidan supporters are not at all happy with how it turned out. I personally feel that Eastern Ukraine have a very legitimate complaint and the way Kiev handled the situation has lead to the events we are currently witnessing today. I feel their fears of exclusion and ethnic discrimination were well founded and since April those fears have been proven correct. The indiscriminate slaughter of your own countrymen because they didn't agree with an violent, illegal coup d,etat is in my view absolutely disgusting and deserves international condemnation. But instead we are witnessing international support for those illegal murderous actions. What if this occurred in your country or mine? Would you be happy? I know I wouldn't especially if I was staring down the barrel of a gun. So, this is not about me being Russian anything but more about the rights of Eastern Ukrainians. Whoever want to help the Eastern Ukrainians in their right to life are in my view, welcome whether it is from Russia or any other country. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 62275286 Polite, concise, and on point. Quite well said in my opinion as are many of the posters on here. We all like a bit of banter and having a thoughtful opinion does not make one a shill or a fool. There is a war on here with the potential to change our world as we know it forever. Some of the perceived " team " players are never going to come home. Made me wonder as I watched the downed passenger jet. A field of Sunflowers gazing up at the Sunshine and our doings. Not so long ago it was Poppies blazing in the Sun. Thank you for the thread OP. I get most of my real news here........... Quoting: KFinn Thanks for the compliments Ireland. Sure things are flaring up in the middle east but Ukraine is what could very well tip us over the edge into WWIII. I like your comparison of Sunflowers and Poppies. For the latest on the Ukraine Crisis - automatically updated every 15 mins. [link to www.rebelmouse.com (secure)]
Anonymous Coward User ID: 62281961 Italy 08/29/2014 05:05 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation	Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 What an shameful defeat for Neocon NWO plans and their cheerleaders. We are all Russians now I guess? egh. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 46705080 Here in Holland. None talks about that plane anymore. There are no grieving families, nothing.. Total silence.. What an joke. Since times of Nero and Caligula western world did not have such an lunny-tuny leadership and advocacy. :familypicture10: Quoting: Anonymous Coward 46705080
Falter User ID: 58276109 Sweden 08/29/2014 05:05 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation	Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 RT ‏@RT_com 2 min URGENT: EU Energy Comm - Ukraine must pay existing gas debt to Russia, schedule needed. "When the rich wage war, it's the poor who die." -Jean Paul Sartre "In modern war... you will die like a dog for no good reason." -Ernest Hemingway "China is a sleeping giant, Let her sleep, for when she wakes, she will shake the world." -Napoleon Bonaparte "Streets of Leningrad taught me one thing - if fight is inevitable, throw the first punch." -Vladimir Putin World War 3 prediction: Summer 2020.
KneelB4Zod! User ID: 18164985 Denmark 08/29/2014 05:12 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation	Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 RT ‏@RT_com 2 min URGENT: EU Energy Comm - Ukraine must pay existing gas debt to Russia, schedule needed. Quoting: Falter Kievistas must pay debt according EU, military operation contradicts international law according UN. Porky probably awaited something different... Rock Solid Politics ‏@BradCabana · 34 sek. BREAKING: The #EU Energy Commission states #Ukraine must secure gas transit to Europe and pay its bill to #Russia #WinterComing #cdnpoli Last Edited by KneelB4Zod! on 08/29/2014 05:13 AM “You don’t fear death, you welcome it. Your punishment must be more severe.” - Bane "This is not a new world, it is simply an extension of what began in the old one. It has patterned itself after every dictator who has ever planted the ripping imprint of a boot on the pages of history since the beginning of time. It has refinements, technological advances, and a more sophisticated approach to the destruction of human freedom. But like every one of the super-states that preceded it, it has one iron rule: logic is an enemy and truth is a menace." - "The Obsolete Man" - The Twilight Zone, 1961 __________________________________________________________________________ "I assure you, ladies and gentlemen that, very soon history will show that we and our allies have fought a war on behalf of the whole world against terrorism supported by governments that will be held accountable by its own people..." Quoting Dostoyevsky: "Rest assured, hell is big enough for all. It doesn't deserve this fierce competition over who will be the worst." - Dr. Bashar Jaafari, UNSC session, 22nd of February, 2018 [link to youtu.be (secure)] __________________________________________________________________________ [link to www.godlikeproductions.com]
Anonymous Viking User ID: 3910366 Sweden 08/29/2014 05:13 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation	Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 This is going to sound nuts but… I think I know where this conflict is about to head: Background With Obama’s feebler-than-anyone-expected “We are not taking military action to solve the Ukrainian problem” press conference message today coming despite blanket media militancy by Poroshenko and NATO types in the preceding hours, a new consensus is now clearly evident – there is now clearly little appetite for military involvement in Ukraine by Europe. This means that Russia’s countersanctions against agricultural produce in effect since earlier in August, have really hit the target – so to speak - in European capitals. So, it is clear to all concerned that Europe has a weak spot – its economy - and this weak spot has been exposed. Then, yesterday’s Minsk conference made almost zero progress on the Ukraine crisis with Putin telling Poroshenko that the Ukraine conflict is an internal matter and Poroshenko should be speaking with the leaders in Eastern Ukraine. In so doing, Putin has essentially handed the next move to the DNR and LPR leaderships. Significant territory gains by NAF forces in the last 48 hours away from the besieged cities of Donetsk, Lugansks and Gorlovka - including fighting in the neighboring Zaporizka province, have fundamentally changed the dimensions of this war. I mean, how can fighting in outside provinces be consistent with the often repeated self defence aims of DNR and LPR? A modified rationale is clearly needed. So what will Zacharenko do? Zacharenko has to date focused a significant amount of his public air time on the injustice of the slaughter of civilians and the humanitarian crisis in the major DNR/LPR cities. Recently, he has talked about the upgrade of the militia to a fully fledged army. While civil defence is his highest priority, Zacharenko has not yet given attention about construction the other necessary institutions of statehood. I am referring here most particularly to the new Administrations’ economic policy and institutions. So here it is: Don’t be surprised if Zacharenko and Tsypkalov shortly announce the adoption of the ruble as an, if not the, official currency of all territory controlled by the NAF. The rationale would be obvious: the Hryvnia is rapidly depreciating and war-torn Eastern Ukraine needs a stable currency to help rebuild its economy. Given Russia is Novorossiya’s most important trading partner, adoption of the ruble would improve trade flows in both directions. Zacharenko could say this decision will be reviewed by DNR/LPR in 12 months time. Such a decision would have the effect of further undermining the value of the Hryvnia, damaging the Junta, while bolstering the value of the ruble, helping Novorossiya’s main ally. But wait, there’s more… The next day, Zacharenko could explain this decision in military terms. He could say that he understands that the NAF’s apparent move into Zaporizka province could be reasonably questioned by the international community given the stated self defence aims of the republics. He could then justify this strategy of conducting military operations in an economically important neighouring province as being a strategic attack on the Hryvnia, something that is likely to hasten an end to the conflict on favourable terms to the republics. OK, go on now, tell me I am nuts :o). Quoting: Euge Quoting: PIR Very good point Euge. Also, please consider the following statement regarding Syria that was made on Monday 25/8 which is very crucial: “The President has already demonstrated a willingness, where necessary, to protect the American people, has demonstrated a willingness to use military force to protect the American people, regardless of borders,” Josh Earnest - White House Press Secretary [link to journal-neo.org] By making this public statement, the US has commited political suicide in its efforts to protect Kiev and prevent Russia from doing whatever the fuck they please. Let's just hope Russia has enough strength and fortitude to continue supporting Assad, heck why not even send in the Kuznetsov and help out with bombing ISIS? If the US can do it in Iraq, why not Russia in Syria???
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