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World Health Organisation takes sides in the Ukraine Civil War

WHO (World Health Organisation) is part of the United Nations Organisation based in Geneva, Switzerland.

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Monday, September 22 21:02 GMT:

The World Health Organization (WHO) has handed out the first tranche of humanitarian assistance in the amount of $170,000 to Ukraine, the country’s Ministry of Health reports.

The WHO aid is aimed at offering necessary medicine and medical devices to those who have suffered during the fighting in Donetsk and Lugansk regions. In addition, some aid will go to Dnipropetrovsk, Kharkov, the Zaporozhzhya region, and Kiev. The next tranche of aid from the WHO is expected to arrive on September 25.


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I'd like to thank Putler for nearly single-handedly restating the F-22 production lines. I thought that to be impossible during Barry's last two years.
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You can produce all you want. Nobody is affraid of that piece of garbage.
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Are you really a clueless fucking moron, or do you know the truth, but refuse to acknowledge it?
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I really can't stand listening to her.
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Amazing piece! First time I see Ukie report translated. They speak of Russians all the time, they are everywhere. At no point they provide any evidence of course. Russians are targeting the airport with tochka missiles and they spotted "Bars" special forces and even GRU military units are there. Also, they are planning to exchange Novoazovsk for the airport, somewhere in the future. crazy
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Message from Igor Strelkov: I am ashamed of some of the commanders

"Today, the whole evening I was listening to "delegates" from Donetsk. I've listened five. Very sad experience. I will not share, but I'll just say that I am ashamed of SOME OF associates including the commander. Hopefully, they will give my words and they will understand - for whom exactly (and why) I feel ashamed.

A number of commanders from today cease to receive humanitarian aid from our rear units. I still have enough "power" for that.

"Look forward to" a bit of Donetsk - last Saturday in Moscow, in the restaurant, "celebrating the victory" of 60 people, led by Surkov. From DNR "had fun" Boroday, Zaharchenko and Purgin. "


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Something very mysterious happened on Monday 2014-9-22.
Could it be that Russia is laying the groundwork for a complete surrender in Donbas?

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MOSCOW, Sept. 22 - RIA Novosti. Head of the Federal Migration Service Konstantin Romodanovskiy believes that "in the most dramatic scenarios for future development" in eastern Ukraine to Russia can go about five million Russian-speaking residents of Donbass. ...

According to the Federal Migration Service of the Russian Federation, in the period from April 1, about 820 thousand citizens of Ukraine entered the Russian Federation and remained on its territory. Kiev authorities in April began in eastern Ukraine, a military operation against the residents of the region.
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Five million? FIVE MILLION PEOPLE?!! That is roughly 100% of the people in the so-called special regions. Or more than 75% of the entire population of Donetsk and Luhansk Oblasts.

The Russian Federal Migration Service is making preparations to receive FIVE MILLION refugees. Basically the entire population would be ethnically cleansed.

Nothing on this scale has been seen in the world since the division of India into India and Pakistan. Before that you would perhaps have to go back to the Russian Civil War in the 1920s! Or something in Manchuria/China (I don't know that history much).

To do this they would have to do something like restart the Khrushchev era new city building programmes.
Has anyone any idea how fast they could build even temporary winter-proof housing for five million people? Or does it already exist somewhere, a big cold war top secret?

"An interview of Romodanovskiy will be published on Tuesday "Rossiyskaya Gazeta"". We wait with awe and anticipation.
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It makes sense though, since Russia doesnt really need new land but they sure do need people.
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Something very mysterious happened on Monday 2014-9-22.
Could it be that Russia is laying the groundwork for a complete surrender in Donbas?

Machine translation, in part <50%
[link to ria.ru]
MOSCOW, Sept. 22 - RIA Novosti. Head of the Federal Migration Service Konstantin Romodanovskiy believes that "in the most dramatic scenarios for future development" in eastern Ukraine to Russia can go about five million Russian-speaking residents of Donbass. ...

According to the Federal Migration Service of the Russian Federation, in the period from April 1, about 820 thousand citizens of Ukraine entered the Russian Federation and remained on its territory. Kiev authorities in April began in eastern Ukraine, a military operation against the residents of the region.
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Five million? FIVE MILLION PEOPLE?!! That is roughly 100% of the people in the so-called special regions. Or more than 75% of the entire population of Donetsk and Luhansk Oblasts.

The Russian Federal Migration Service is making preparations to receive FIVE MILLION refugees. Basically the entire population would be ethnically cleansed.

Nothing on this scale has been seen in the world since the division of India into India and Pakistan. Before that you would perhaps have to go back to the Russian Civil War in the 1920s! Or something in Manchuria/China (I don't know that history much).

To do this they would have to do something like restart the Khrushchev era new city building programmes.
Has anyone any idea how fast they could build even temporary winter-proof housing for five million people? Or does it already exist somewhere, a big cold war top secret?

"An interview of Romodanovskiy will be published on Tuesday "Rossiyskaya Gazeta"". We wait with awe and anticipation.
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It makes sense though, since Russia doesnt really need new land but they sure do need people.
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It is not about new lands it is about safe borders with NATO missiles.
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Something very mysterious happened on Monday 2014-9-22.
Could it be that Russia is laying the groundwork for a complete surrender in Donbas?

Machine translation, in part <50%
[link to ria.ru]
MOSCOW, Sept. 22 - RIA Novosti. Head of the Federal Migration Service Konstantin Romodanovskiy believes that "in the most dramatic scenarios for future development" in eastern Ukraine to Russia can go about five million Russian-speaking residents of Donbass. ...

According to the Federal Migration Service of the Russian Federation, in the period from April 1, about 820 thousand citizens of Ukraine entered the Russian Federation and remained on its territory. Kiev authorities in April began in eastern Ukraine, a military operation against the residents of the region.
 Quoting: [link to ria.ru]


Five million? FIVE MILLION PEOPLE?!! That is roughly 100% of the people in the so-called special regions. Or more than 75% of the entire population of Donetsk and Luhansk Oblasts.

The Russian Federal Migration Service is making preparations to receive FIVE MILLION refugees. Basically the entire population would be ethnically cleansed.

Nothing on this scale has been seen in the world since the division of India into India and Pakistan. Before that you would perhaps have to go back to the Russian Civil War in the 1920s! Or something in Manchuria/China (I don't know that history much).

To do this they would have to do something like restart the Khrushchev era new city building programmes.
Has anyone any idea how fast they could build even temporary winter-proof housing for five million people? Or does it already exist somewhere, a big cold war top secret?

"An interview of Romodanovskiy will be published on Tuesday "Rossiyskaya Gazeta"". We wait with awe and anticipation.
 Quoting: FormerlyBritish


It makes sense though, since Russia doesnt really need new land but they sure do need people.
 Quoting: Matjaz


It is not about new lands it is about safe borders with no NATO missiles.
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Exhibition about the tragedy in the Donbas opens in Athens

Pictures from Donetsk, Lugansk, Slavyansk, small towns and villages illustrate the tragedy of civilians who were killed in the bombings, photos show citizens, destroyed and burning houses, refugees and children.

The exhibition is held in the center of Athens, in the building of the literary society "Parnassus" - one of the oldest and most famous in the Greek capital. Organized the event public organization culture "Arcadia" to acquaint the society with the situation in the Donbas, show the scale of the tragedy in the heart of Europe.
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Things I have read but not seen posted here:
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Not all of Lugansk has full power, just the part that is under kiev control. And they are saying, 'join us or freeze'
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I'm not sure who is saying that (source?).

But if it is the people of Kiev they may live to rue saying that when the boot is on the other foot. So to speak.

Winter is coming and the only thing that keeps the grid up is the very low demand that industry has for electricity (compared with past times).
If they run out of nuclear fuel they are done for.
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I will try to find the source for you later.
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The company "Elite-holding" is going to make an exclusion of Ukrainian oligarch Igor Kolomoisky from the list of founders

Owners arrested in Moscow building decided to remove from the list of founders ihor kolomoiski

The company "Elite-holding" is going to exclude Ukrainian oligarch Igor Kolomoisky from the list of founders, told RIA Novosti lawyer of company Natalia Soboleva.

Earlier Monday, the Moscow City Court refused to take off with the arrest of a building in the center of Moscow, owned by the "Elite-holding."

Arrest was effected at the request of the investigator, investigating the criminal case against Kolomoiskiy.

"We applied to the tax office with the requirement to make a change in the register, to exclude from the list of founders Kolomoiskiy. If the tax fails to do so, then we will bring it to court to pay damages to the arrest of the building, "- said Sobolev.

According to her, Kolomoysky never was a founder of the company, one time he was allegedly part of the shares owned by the "Elite-holding", but in 2008, he owned no shares. Because of the arrest imposed on building the company incurs losses of tenants have already terminated the contract, the lawyer recalled.
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If anyone can do a brief summary, I would be grateful.

One of the comments on the video via crap google translate:
Army offensive Novorossia stopped by Moscow. Putting pressure on the leadership of the republic (the threat of termination and blocking supplies gum.(humanitarian) Assistance, closing PX) drags on negotiations with dill. Again game. Financial and political interests in Moscow in Ukraine over the edge. Ambitions of the set-the-go. Whether in the present case? Profukali situation in Ukraine strategists, now it's the dill, and God knows how long. There is one point of contact between Moscow and Kiev, not to become a republic really Novorossia with people's power. BANKERS AGREE.
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You can produce all you want. Nobody is affraid of that piece of garbage.
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Are you really a clueless fucking moron, or do you know the truth, but refuse to acknowledge it?
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I really can't stand listening to her.
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I don't especially like her either, but could you imagine Bill O'Reilly or Sean Hannity actually telling the truth about the utter fail of the F-22 and F-35?

it would never happen.
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"I represented Ukraine as an athlete - now I'm fighting against Ukraine"
09/23/2014 - 10:06

Stories about militias.

Athlete, speaking for ten years for Ukraine and brought to this state many awards, gives interviews to Graham Phillips.
Now this former patriot of Ukraine joined the the militias and fighting for Novorossia with a grenade launcher in his hands. Each morning begins with militia charging and every week of the volunteer unit kepps sports standards:

"I represented Ukraine as an athlete - now I'm fighting against Ukraine."

Video shot by Graham Phillips.
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Something very mysterious happened on Monday 2014-9-22.
Could it be that Russia is laying the groundwork for a complete surrender in Donbas?

Machine translation, in part <50%
[link to ria.ru]
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Five million? FIVE MILLION PEOPLE?!! That is roughly 100% of the people in the so-called special regions. Or more than 75% of the entire population of Donetsk and Luhansk Oblasts.

The Russian Federal Migration Service is making preparations to receive FIVE MILLION refugees. Basically the entire population would be ethnically cleansed.

Nothing on this scale has been seen in the world since the division of India into India and Pakistan. Before that you would perhaps have to go back to the Russian Civil War in the 1920s! Or something in Manchuria/China (I don't know that history much).

To do this they would have to do something like restart the Khrushchev era new city building programmes.
Has anyone any idea how fast they could build even temporary winter-proof housing for five million people? Or does it already exist somewhere, a big cold war top secret?

"An interview of Romodanovskiy will be published on Tuesday "Rossiyskaya Gazeta"". We wait with awe and anticipation.
 Quoting: FormerlyBritish


It makes sense though, since Russia doesnt really need new land but they sure do need people.
 Quoting: Matjaz


It is not about new lands it is about safe borders with no NATO missiles.
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Putin Missiles. Kaliningrad has several Iskander nuclear missile batteries targeted on every EU member-state capital city. This shameless idea that the Putinbots push of Russia forever being the victim is shameful and cowardice.

So I ask, what is the identity of Putin's Russia? Is it the strong, independent leader, or is it the Putinbot identity which is the weakling, exploited, dependent coward whose destiny is at the feet of the Americans? Can't have it both ways Putinbots.
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Thread: "The Israeli downing of our MIG-21 was also coordinated with US" MT @haya_atassi: Syrian foreign ministry 2make statement in a while
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Ukraine Reporter &#8207;@StateOfUkraine · 47 min.
Poroshenko adviser: Crimea has 1.5 months of water left. #Russia's options: return it to #Ukraine or invade Kherson [link to ru.krymr.com] …
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Doesn't porky's 'advisor' realize that Crimean's probably wouldn't like that, and that porkys boss (obumbler) has already stated that Crimea is 'lost' to the ruskies??

it would be a really good way to totally piss off 2.5 million Crimean's though.

demented nazi's seem to thrive on spite.
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NWO has been pushing up for a maidan in Hongkong; same BS about chinese oppression , blah blah, desire for a western like democracy (sigh), legions of facefook/Ipodished students demonstrate and shout insults and threats at chinese tourists; they blame China for everything happening in their lives... heard that song again
China lately warned her "friend countries" to beware of "orange plastic revolutions" threats organised by some foreign powers to destabilize some countries not following the agenda.
smart move to start messing with China while they did not acheive their goal in central europa yet.
("fake ebola drama" to quarantine and break western africa countries and eco relations with europe and china is another trick from those silly bastards)
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Haven't All countries turned into totalitarian statist regimes? The US certainly has. I'm not sure they still wave Old Glory down at the Muskogee courthouse anymore. We certainly don't get to choose the candidates that we vote for.
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Have you seen how the Chinese live?
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Have You?

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It makes sense though, since Russia doesnt really need new land but they sure do need people.
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It is not about new lands it is about safe borders with no NATO missiles.
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Putin Missiles. Kaliningrad has several Iskander nuclear missile batteries targeted on every EU member-state capital city. This shameless idea that the Putinbots push of Russia forever being the victim is shameful and cowardice.

So I ask, what is the identity of Putin's Russia? Is it the strong, independent leader, or is it the Putinbot identity which is the weakling, exploited, dependent coward whose destiny is at the feet of the Americans? Can't have it both ways Putinbots.
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Iskander can carry nuclear warheads allright.
But "every capital in EU"? How exactly?
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Are you really a clueless fucking moron, or do you know the truth, but refuse to acknowledge it?
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I really can't stand listening to her.
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I don't especially like her either, but could you imagine Bill O'Reilly or Sean Hannity actually telling the truth about the utter fail of the F-22 and F-35?

it would never happen.
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I wouldn't call it a complete fail, progress is progress. You may fail 99 times but you figured out 99 ways not to do something and on the way figured out multiple ways on how to do it.
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I really can't stand listening to her.
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I don't especially like her either, but could you imagine Bill O'Reilly or Sean Hannity actually telling the truth about the utter fail of the F-22 and F-35?

it would never happen.
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I wouldn't call it a complete fail, progress is progress. You may fail 99 times but you figured out 99 ways not to do something and on the way figured out multiple ways on how to do it.
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And then you burn down Tesla's lab.rofl
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Update from Alexey Mozgovoy: today enemy positions suffered a major retaliatory strike

"Our fortifications in the area of Lomovatka were under intense artillery strike. We responded to the enemy by barrage of artillery strikes of systems "Grad" D-30 and singly grads "Partizan". We have released: System Grad-40 pcs. Partizan-20 units. D-30-60 pcs.

Opponent was dealt a serious blow to his positions. Data on the destruction of equipment and manpower of the enemy: art about 9 units. Manpower to 40 people.
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 Quoting: RTS REDUX


I really can't stand listening to her.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 62913403


I don't especially like her either, but could you imagine Bill O'Reilly or Sean Hannity actually telling the truth about the utter fail of the F-22 and F-35?

it would never happen.
 Quoting: RTS REDUX


I wouldn't call it a complete fail, progress is progress. You may fail 99 times but you figured out 99 ways not to do something and on the way figured out multiple ways on how to do it.
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it is a complete and total failure, simply because the Russians totally dominated the left in the US and have probably stolen every secret the US has since the 60's.

Alinsky was Obama and Hillary Clintons mentor, as well as the leader of the left. He was Russian and probably put in place by the Kremlin, when they were the statist USSR.

the left started turning against the Russians when they accepted capitalism while outlawing queer propaganda directed towards children.

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Update from Alexey Mozgovoy: today enemy positions suffered a major retaliatory strike

"Our fortifications in the area of Lomovatka were under intense artillery strike. We responded to the enemy by barrage of artillery strikes of systems "Grad" D-30 and singly grads "Partizan". We have released: System Grad-40 pcs. Partizan-20 units. D-30-60 pcs.

Opponent was dealt a serious blow to his positions. Data on the destruction of equipment and manpower of the enemy: art about 9 units. Manpower to 40 people.

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junta continued moving and regrouping units in the Donetsk direction, strengthening their positions
Today, 12:00

According to information received from the district Yelenovka where soldier of the 74th separate reconnaissance battalion passed into the side of the militia in Maloorlovke fighters of the 24th battalion of territorial defense "Aydar" on suspicion of links with the militia arrested two Ukrainian soldiers. The reason for the arrest was a verbal altercation had taken place, during which the soldiers of the 74th Battalion expressed dissatisfaction with the food supply department. The detainees were transferred to the command of the National Guard members. From the words of the scout, in the best case they can expect jail, at worst they would be shot.
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Yet again about yesterday's rally in Moscow and about general state of opposition in Russia. Just remembered Durnovo's Memorandum again. [link to novaonline.nvcc.edu] It was written almost exactly 100 years ago - and still true.

Even though it may sound like a paradox, the fact is that agreement with the opposition in Russia positively weakens the Government. The trouble is that our opposition refuses to reckon with the fact that it represents no real force. The Russian opposition is intellectual throughout, and this is its weakness, because between the intelligentsia and the people there is a profound gulf of mutual misunderstanding and distrust. We need an artificial election law, indeed, we require the direct influence of the governmental authority, to assure the election to the State Duma of even the most zealous champions of popular rights. Let the Government refuse to support the elections, leaving them to their natural course, and the legislative institutions would not see within their walls a single intellectual, outside of a few demagogic agitators. However insistent the members of our legislative institutions may be that the people confide in them, the peasant would rather believe the landless government official than the Octobrist landlord in the Duma, while the workingman treats the wage-earning factory inspector with more confidence than the legislating manufacturer, even though the latter professes every principle of the Cadet party.

The only real difference now is what call themselves intelligentsia now are even worse than 100 years ago. Now almost everyone performing non-manual labour in big cities imagine themselves to be intelligentsia - "the conscience of the nation". I'm yet to understand in which way being great actor of singer makes a man capable to judge what is right for the country or its people... I'm not talking about hairdressers, salesclerks etc. who are being the majority of "progressive liberalists".
 Quoting: Tamonten

Wow, that's quite hard for a Westerner to understand. To understand what is being said, let alone the theory behind it.

I believe the principal opposition party today is KPRF, the Communist Party of the RF ( [link to www.gazeta-pravda.ru] which is perhaps the least forthright of the several descendents of the CPSU which Yeltsin outrageously seized all the assets of in August 1991.

Is this (today's KPRF) the opposition that you refer to as the intelligentsia? - "The conscience of the nation"? Self-appointed, and not all that intelligent, intelligentsia. Largely the wage slaves of mental drudgery who fill their days in offices in large and mid-sized cities.
My impression (I could easily be wrong) is that the KPRF cannot solve its problems exemplified by the present leadership and Yedinaya Rossiya encourages that it stay unimproved.
 Quoting: FormerlyBritish


No, I'm talking about those meager 5-10% of liberalistic opposition that are not present in Duma. All the parties present there are in full support of Putin's policy towards Ukraine. All the members of State Duma except one (who was exiled from Spravedlivaya Rossiya (Just Russia) for some time now) voted for reunification with Crimea. There are certanly some fundamental differencies between four big parties, but they all are somewhat sane.

I'm talking about so-called "liberals" (almost a curse here lately). Their leaders are mostly ex-ministers of Yeltsin times (Nemtsov, Rizhkov), leaders of first pro-Western parties in Russia (Yavlinskiy, Hakamada) and so-called "human rights activist" (members of US-backed NCOs). They are always bickering among themselves and struggling to unite before major elections - always failing and accusing "bloody regime" of being the reason of their failure. They are not present in Federal Parliament since 2004 when majorital election was abolished and minimal treshold of 5% was established. Last time they managed to gather themselves were during previous elections during Bolotnaya square protests. The main result was opposite - when people saw that brewing Maidan during parliamental elections, Putin's support naturally raised and he safely passed Presidental elections in first tour.
They attempted to organize another movements and rallies since then - with no real result. And failed greatly this spring in opposing Crimea reunigfication. Since then they could as well be considered marginal. They are often referred as "the fifth column" now because of their general line to "listen to the West and do as it said".


But the main reason of the situation with the public distrust towards the elites in Russia is in history.
Western society is organized from bottom towards the top. People trust their small regional leaders, those leaders cooperate among themselves choosing someone to be above them. It's more complex than that, but the original idea is the same.
Eastern society is backwards. People confide in the supreme ruler and trust him to choose to whom he would delegate some of that trust.
If in West magnates, aristictats, parliament or another kind of elites are controlling president, king or another ruler so he won't become a tyrant, in the East the ruler is controlling the elites.
That's why sanctioning people around Putin so they influence him into submission to the West is the most stupid thing Obama could do. These people will either support Putin to the very end, or cease to be the elites. With a great support of Russian general population, because almost all big business in Russia became private using one criminal scheme or another.
 Quoting: Tamonten


In a way the overt Russian authoritarian or Chinese totalitarian rule is more honest than western covert rule. The question for the east though is are the rulers/Presidents really the most powerful individuals or have the citizenry been duped also by the elites in the east just like in the west?
 Quoting: Tpotleoz


During Yeltsin's presidency the elites had almost unrestricted power. Those times are sometimes called Semibankirshina - "Seven Bankers". [link to en.wikipedia.org (secure)]
As I see it, Putin is now finishing the cleanizing of elites' upper echelons. He started the process during his first term - very covertly at the time.

Oh, also just remembered. About current opposition. Former Minister of Finances Kasyanov was dubbed "Misha 2 percent" during 90s. He was fining every major transaction - up to the level when all the businessmen of high enough level knew his "fixed tax".
Now he is in opposition to Putin. I can find such filth - confirmed with either information on the web or via personal connections (as it is with Kasyanov's case) - on almost everyone in current Russian elites and ex-elites.
Which isn't true when talking about Putin. Well, there are a bunch of rumours about alleged Putin's billions - but with no proof. Actually, it's stupid - after the events of last year for him to have hidden billions in Western banks is the most stupid thing I can imagine.
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Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387
The militia moving tanks out of the buffer zone:


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Update from Alexey Mozgovoy: today enemy positions suffered a major retaliatory strike

"Our fortifications in the area of Lomovatka were under intense artillery strike. We responded to the enemy by barrage of artillery strikes of systems "Grad" D-30 and singly grads "Partizan". We have released: System Grad-40 pcs. Partizan-20 units. D-30-60 pcs.

Opponent was dealt a serious blow to his positions. Data on the destruction of equipment and manpower of the enemy: art about 9 units. Manpower to 40 people.

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Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387
A few new photos from Donets after months of war:

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“You don’t fear death, you welcome it. Your punishment must be more severe.” - Bane

"This is not a new world, it is simply an extension of what began in the old one. It has patterned itself after every dictator who has ever planted the ripping imprint of a boot on the pages of history since the beginning of time. It has refinements, technological advances, and a more sophisticated approach to the destruction of human freedom. But like every one of the super-states that preceded it, it has one iron rule: logic is an enemy and truth is a menace." - "The Obsolete Man" - The Twilight Zone, 1961
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"I assure you, ladies and gentlemen that, very soon history will show that we and our allies have fought a war on behalf of the whole world against terrorism supported by governments that will be held accountable by its own people..."
Quoting Dostoyevsky:
"Rest assured, hell is big enough for all. It doesn't deserve this fierce competition over who will be the worst." - Dr. Bashar Jaafari, UNSC session, 22nd of February, 2018 [link to youtu.be (secure)]
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