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Something very mysterious happened on Monday 2014-9-22.
Could it be that Russia is laying the groundwork for a complete surrender in Donbas?
Machine translation, in part <50%
[link to ria.ru]
MOSCOW, Sept. 22 - RIA Novosti. Head of the Federal Migration Service Konstantin Romodanovskiy believes that "in the most dramatic scenarios for future development" in eastern Ukraine to Russia can go about five million Russian-speaking residents of Donbass. ...
According to the Federal Migration Service of the Russian Federation, in the period from April 1, about 820 thousand citizens of Ukraine entered the Russian Federation and remained on its territory. Kiev authorities in April began in eastern Ukraine, a military operation against the residents of the region.
 Quoting: [link to ria.ru]

Five million? FIVE MILLION PEOPLE?!! That is roughly 100% of the people in the so-called special regions. Or more than 75% of the entire population of Donetsk and Luhansk Oblasts.
The Russian Federal Migration Service is making preparations to receive FIVE MILLION refugees. Basically the entire population would be ethnically cleansed.
Nothing on this scale has been seen in the world since the division of India into India and Pakistan. Before that you would perhaps have to go back to the Russian Civil War in the 1920s! Or something in Manchuria/China (I don't know that history much).
To do this they would have to do something like restart the Khrushchev era new city building programmes.
Has anyone any idea how fast they could build even temporary winter-proof housing for five million people? Or does it already exist somewhere, a big cold war top secret?
"An interview of Romodanovskiy will be published on Tuesday "Rossiyskaya Gazeta"". We wait with awe and anticipation.
 Quoting: FormerlyBritish

Here is the full interview
[link to www.rg.ru]
it does not (seem to me to) shed much light as to what is going to happen when winter comes.

How in gods' name are they going to cope with a flood of people who are forced to move simply by the lack of heating?
I'm guessing there are lots of houses with fireplaces where rubbish can be burned. But unheated apartment buildings are winter death traps.

Some kind of preparation needs to be expedited. Is there a Russian equivalent to Nissen huts / Quonset huts?
If temporary housing is to be built it will have to be where gas or other fuel is available in abundance.

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I'd like to thank Putler for nearly single-handedly restating the F-22 production lines. I thought that to be impossible during Barry's last two years.
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You can produce all you want. Nobody is affraid of that piece of garbage.
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Are you really a clueless fucking moron, or do you know the truth, but refuse to acknowledge it?
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More cute little videos. Maddow is more anti-American than RT. Like RT, she has zero credibility.

I see your daily intellectual capacity continues to devolve. I seriously doubt you have the capacity to present an insightful, well organized argument with sound reasoning. Like a child, you respond with cute pictures, and ridiculous video montages.

Your demonstration of diminished capacity not only indicts you as a feeble fraud, it calls attention to your mates in the form of a question; Why do they associate with you when you are the weakest link? Like minds self-organise, even the one's that possess an autism-like IQ. Putinbot IQ.
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You can produce all you want. Nobody is affraid of that piece of garbage.
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Are you really a clueless fucking moron, or do you know the truth, but refuse to acknowledge it?
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 Quoting: RTS REDUX
More cute little videos. Maddow is more anti-American than RT. Like RT, she has zero credibility.
I see your daily intellectual capacity continues to devolve. I seriously doubt you have the capacity to present an insightful, well organized argument with sound reasoning. Like a child, you respond with cute pictures, and ridiculous video montages.
Your demonstration of diminished capacity not only indicts you as a feeble fraud, it calls attention to your mates in the form of a question; Why do they associate with you when you are the weakest link? Like minds self-organise, even the one's that possess an autism-like IQ. Putinbot IQ.
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Thanks, good video.
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Are you really a clueless fucking moron, or do you know the truth, but refuse to acknowledge it?
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 Quoting: RTS REDUX
More cute little videos. Maddow is more anti-American than RT. Like RT, she has zero credibility.
I see your daily intellectual capacity continues to devolve. I seriously doubt you have the capacity to present an insightful, well organized argument with sound reasoning. Like a child, you respond with cute pictures, and ridiculous video montages.
Your demonstration of diminished capacity not only indicts you as a feeble fraud, it calls attention to your mates in the form of a question; Why do they associate with you when you are the weakest link? Like minds self-organise, even the one's that possess an autism-like IQ. Putinbot IQ.
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Thanks, good video.
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After you erroneously claimed 'Western ships have no business being in the Black Sea' your priority ought be remedying your mistakes. This would come in the form of you reading the Montraeux Convention. After all, I can't always play tutor with you, or your lot.
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tony_hartin &#8207;@tony_hartin · 46 min.
#DNR reports #NAF start to withdraw heavy artillery to 15km from front lines. Also report Ukie heavy artillery near Lugansk pulling back
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"This is not a new world, it is simply an extension of what began in the old one. It has patterned itself after every dictator who has ever planted the ripping imprint of a boot on the pages of history since the beginning of time. It has refinements, technological advances, and a more sophisticated approach to the destruction of human freedom. But like every one of the super-states that preceded it, it has one iron rule: logic is an enemy and truth is a menace." - "The Obsolete Man" - The Twilight Zone, 1961
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"I assure you, ladies and gentlemen that, very soon history will show that we and our allies have fought a war on behalf of the whole world against terrorism supported by governments that will be held accountable by its own people..."
Quoting Dostoyevsky:
"Rest assured, hell is big enough for all. It doesn't deserve this fierce competition over who will be the worst." - Dr. Bashar Jaafari, UNSC session, 22nd of February, 2018 [link to youtu.be (secure)]
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In Donetsk, the ATO soldiers shot their own men.


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“You don’t fear death, you welcome it. Your punishment must be more severe.” - Bane

"This is not a new world, it is simply an extension of what began in the old one. It has patterned itself after every dictator who has ever planted the ripping imprint of a boot on the pages of history since the beginning of time. It has refinements, technological advances, and a more sophisticated approach to the destruction of human freedom. But like every one of the super-states that preceded it, it has one iron rule: logic is an enemy and truth is a menace." - "The Obsolete Man" - The Twilight Zone, 1961
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"I assure you, ladies and gentlemen that, very soon history will show that we and our allies have fought a war on behalf of the whole world against terrorism supported by governments that will be held accountable by its own people..."
Quoting Dostoyevsky:
"Rest assured, hell is big enough for all. It doesn't deserve this fierce competition over who will be the worst." - Dr. Bashar Jaafari, UNSC session, 22nd of February, 2018 [link to youtu.be (secure)]
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It is not about new lands it is about safe borders with no NATO missiles.
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Putin Missiles. Kaliningrad has several Iskander nuclear missile batteries targeted on every EU member-state capital city. This shameless idea that the Putinbots push of Russia forever being the victim is shameful and cowardice.

So I ask, what is the identity of Putin's Russia? Is it the strong, independent leader, or is it the Putinbot identity which is the weakling, exploited, dependent coward whose destiny is at the feet of the Americans? Can't have it both ways Putinbots.
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Iskander can carry nuclear warheads allright.
But "every capital in EU"? How exactly?
[link to en.wikipedia.org (secure)]
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How bad they would not reach Ramstein. But seeing the pic I can understand now why Poland and the Batics are so anxious. Those like 62871156 are only here to spread hatred and disinfo as a job. If not they had never been in Europe and especially Russiia and know nothing about "identity". MSM-fed Muricans, perhaps?
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Conflict Reporter @Conflict_Report · 1 min
Ukrainian Interior Minister @AvakovArsen promises locals: "#Mariupol will not be part of any #buffer_zone."

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“You don’t fear death, you welcome it. Your punishment must be more severe.” - Bane

"This is not a new world, it is simply an extension of what began in the old one. It has patterned itself after every dictator who has ever planted the ripping imprint of a boot on the pages of history since the beginning of time. It has refinements, technological advances, and a more sophisticated approach to the destruction of human freedom. But like every one of the super-states that preceded it, it has one iron rule: logic is an enemy and truth is a menace." - "The Obsolete Man" - The Twilight Zone, 1961
________________________________________________________​__________________
"I assure you, ladies and gentlemen that, very soon history will show that we and our allies have fought a war on behalf of the whole world against terrorism supported by governments that will be held accountable by its own people..."
Quoting Dostoyevsky:
"Rest assured, hell is big enough for all. It doesn't deserve this fierce competition over who will be the worst." - Dr. Bashar Jaafari, UNSC session, 22nd of February, 2018 [link to youtu.be (secure)]
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 Quoting: RTS REDUX
More cute little videos. Maddow is more anti-American than RT. Like RT, she has zero credibility.
I see your daily intellectual capacity continues to devolve. I seriously doubt you have the capacity to present an insightful, well organized argument with sound reasoning. Like a child, you respond with cute pictures, and ridiculous video montages.
Your demonstration of diminished capacity not only indicts you as a feeble fraud, it calls attention to your mates in the form of a question; Why do they associate with you when you are the weakest link? Like minds self-organise, even the one's that possess an autism-like IQ. Putinbot IQ.
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Thanks, good video.
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After you erroneously claimed 'Western ships have no business being in the Black Sea' your priority ought be remedying your mistakes. This would come in the form of you reading the Montraeux Convention. After all, I can't always play tutor with you, or your lot.
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I kneel and bow my head for your superior intellect, give us more please.

On the other hand you just might have missed something important reflecting serious flaws in all your "arguments".

I do believe I've found it for you, so let me help you out a little.

Here: [link to telemarksporten.no]

For further education may I suggest The "Beginners" manual.

Here:

[link to telemarksporten.no]

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Wow, that's quite hard for a Westerner to understand. To understand what is being said, let alone the theory behind it.

I believe the principal opposition party today is KPRF, the Communist Party of the RF ( [link to www.gazeta-pravda.ru] which is perhaps the least forthright of the several descendents of the CPSU which Yeltsin outrageously seized all the assets of in August 1991.

Is this (today's KPRF) the opposition that you refer to as the intelligentsia? - "The conscience of the nation"? Self-appointed, and not all that intelligent, intelligentsia. Largely the wage slaves of mental drudgery who fill their days in offices in large and mid-sized cities.
My impression (I could easily be wrong) is that the KPRF cannot solve its problems exemplified by the present leadership and Yedinaya Rossiya encourages that it stay unimproved.
 Quoting: FormerlyBritish


No, I'm talking about those meager 5-10% of liberalistic opposition that are not present in Duma. All the parties present there are in full support of Putin's policy towards Ukraine. All the members of State Duma except one (who was exiled from Spravedlivaya Rossiya (Just Russia) for some time now) voted for reunification with Crimea. There are certanly some fundamental differencies between four big parties, but they all are somewhat sane.

I'm talking about so-called "liberals" (almost a curse here lately). Their leaders are mostly ex-ministers of Yeltsin times (Nemtsov, Rizhkov), leaders of first pro-Western parties in Russia (Yavlinskiy, Hakamada) and so-called "human rights activist" (members of US-backed NCOs). They are always bickering among themselves and struggling to unite before major elections - always failing and accusing "bloody regime" of being the reason of their failure. They are not present in Federal Parliament since 2004 when majorital election was abolished and minimal treshold of 5% was established. Last time they managed to gather themselves were during previous elections during Bolotnaya square protests. The main result was opposite - when people saw that brewing Maidan during parliamental elections, Putin's support naturally raised and he safely passed Presidental elections in first tour.
They attempted to organize another movements and rallies since then - with no real result. And failed greatly this spring in opposing Crimea reunigfication. Since then they could as well be considered marginal. They are often referred as "the fifth column" now because of their general line to "listen to the West and do as it said".


But the main reason of the situation with the public distrust towards the elites in Russia is in history.
Western society is organized from bottom towards the top. People trust their small regional leaders, those leaders cooperate among themselves choosing someone to be above them. It's more complex than that, but the original idea is the same.
Eastern society is backwards. People confide in the supreme ruler and trust him to choose to whom he would delegate some of that trust.
If in West magnates, aristictats, parliament or another kind of elites are controlling president, king or another ruler so he won't become a tyrant, in the East the ruler is controlling the elites.
That's why sanctioning people around Putin so they influence him into submission to the West is the most stupid thing Obama could do. These people will either support Putin to the very end, or cease to be the elites. With a great support of Russian general population, because almost all big business in Russia became private using one criminal scheme or another.
 Quoting: Tamonten


In a way the overt Russian authoritarian or Chinese totalitarian rule is more honest than western covert rule. The question for the east though is are the rulers/Presidents really the most powerful individuals or have the citizenry been duped also by the elites in the east just like in the west?
 Quoting: Tpotleoz


During Yeltsin's presidency the elites had almost unrestricted power. Those times are sometimes called Semibankirshina - "Seven Bankers". [link to en.wikipedia.org (secure)]
As I see it, Putin is now finishing the cleanizing of elites' upper echelons. He started the process during his first term - very covertly at the time.

Oh, also just remembered. About current opposition. Former Minister of Finances Kasyanov was dubbed "Misha 2 percent" during 90s. He was fining every major transaction - up to the level when all the businessmen of high enough level knew his "fixed tax".
Now he is in opposition to Putin. I can find such filth - confirmed with either information on the web or via personal connections (as it is with Kasyanov's case) - on almost everyone in current Russian elites and ex-elites.
Which isn't true when talking about Putin. Well, there are a bunch of rumours about alleged Putin's billions - but with no proof. Actually, it's stupid - after the events of last year for him to have hidden billions in Western banks is the most stupid thing I can imagine.
 Quoting: Tamonten


I remember well the news about russia in the 90th. People weren't paid for months, old people starving or freezing to death. Later the infos about the "politics" of yeltsin who sold russia to the western "oligarchs" It was evil. Something similar happened to the peopleof east Germany. Because production plants had no private owner they were sold for 1 Deutsche Mark. Then closed and the people had no jobs afterwards.

Is there a good dokumentation about the 90th in Russia? Maybe some people who really want to learn something could read it and better understand what Putin did for Russia.
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Felix Dzerzhinsky founded the Cheka, a security apparatus notorious for orchestrating mass summary executions during the Russian Civil War and the Red Terror. Established in 1924, the unit bore his name from 1926 until 1994, when its name was changed to the Independent Operational Purpose Division, the press service said.
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Banderstadt soldaten drinking beer, laughing, shelling civilians and having fun. Before Novorossiyan counter-attack...


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“You don’t fear death, you welcome it. Your punishment must be more severe.” - Bane

"This is not a new world, it is simply an extension of what began in the old one. It has patterned itself after every dictator who has ever planted the ripping imprint of a boot on the pages of history since the beginning of time. It has refinements, technological advances, and a more sophisticated approach to the destruction of human freedom. But like every one of the super-states that preceded it, it has one iron rule: logic is an enemy and truth is a menace." - "The Obsolete Man" - The Twilight Zone, 1961
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"I assure you, ladies and gentlemen that, very soon history will show that we and our allies have fought a war on behalf of the whole world against terrorism supported by governments that will be held accountable by its own people..."
Quoting Dostoyevsky:
"Rest assured, hell is big enough for all. It doesn't deserve this fierce competition over who will be the worst." - Dr. Bashar Jaafari, UNSC session, 22nd of February, 2018 [link to youtu.be (secure)]
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 Quoting: RTS REDUX
More cute little videos. Maddow is more anti-American than RT. Like RT, she has zero credibility.
I see your daily intellectual capacity continues to devolve. I seriously doubt you have the capacity to present an insightful, well organized argument with sound reasoning. Like a child, you respond with cute pictures, and ridiculous video montages.
Your demonstration of diminished capacity not only indicts you as a feeble fraud, it calls attention to your mates in the form of a question; Why do they associate with you when you are the weakest link? Like minds self-organise, even the one's that possess an autism-like IQ. Putinbot IQ.
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Thanks, good video.
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After you erroneously claimed 'Western ships have no business being in the Black Sea' your priority ought be remedying your mistakes. This would come in the form of you reading the Montraeux Convention. After all, I can't always play tutor with you, or your lot.
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You know that you are fighting a losing battle. Your arguments are like the squeak of a rat that has been pushed into a corner. Give it up, no sane person can take your words seriously.
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Nataliya Vasilyeva &#8207;@NatVasilyevaAP · 15 min.
a Ukrainian opinion poll shows Lukashenko as the most popular foreign leader, Obama is trailing behind: [link to www.pravda.com.ua] …

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“You don’t fear death, you welcome it. Your punishment must be more severe.” - Bane

"This is not a new world, it is simply an extension of what began in the old one. It has patterned itself after every dictator who has ever planted the ripping imprint of a boot on the pages of history since the beginning of time. It has refinements, technological advances, and a more sophisticated approach to the destruction of human freedom. But like every one of the super-states that preceded it, it has one iron rule: logic is an enemy and truth is a menace." - "The Obsolete Man" - The Twilight Zone, 1961
________________________________________________________​__________________
"I assure you, ladies and gentlemen that, very soon history will show that we and our allies have fought a war on behalf of the whole world against terrorism supported by governments that will be held accountable by its own people..."
Quoting Dostoyevsky:
"Rest assured, hell is big enough for all. It doesn't deserve this fierce competition over who will be the worst." - Dr. Bashar Jaafari, UNSC session, 22nd of February, 2018 [link to youtu.be (secure)]
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Something very mysterious happened on Monday 2014-9-22.
Could it be that Russia is laying the groundwork for a complete surrender in Donbas?
Machine translation, in part <50%
[link to ria.ru]
MOSCOW, Sept. 22 - RIA Novosti. Head of the Federal Migration Service Konstantin Romodanovskiy believes that "in the most dramatic scenarios for future development" in eastern Ukraine to Russia can go about five million Russian-speaking residents of Donbass. ...
According to the Federal Migration Service of the Russian Federation, in the period from April 1, about 820 thousand citizens of Ukraine entered the Russian Federation and remained on its territory. Kiev authorities in April began in eastern Ukraine, a military operation against the residents of the region.
 Quoting: [link to ria.ru]

Five million? FIVE MILLION PEOPLE?!! That is roughly 100% of the people in the so-called special regions. Or more than 75% of the entire population of Donetsk and Luhansk Oblasts.
The Russian Federal Migration Service is making preparations to receive FIVE MILLION refugees. Basically the entire population would be ethnically cleansed.
Nothing on this scale has been seen in the world since the division of India into India and Pakistan. Before that you would perhaps have to go back to the Russian Civil War in the 1920s! Or something in Manchuria/China (I don't know that history much).
To do this they would have to do something like restart the Khrushchev era new city building programmes.
Has anyone any idea how fast they could build even temporary winter-proof housing for five million people? Or does it already exist somewhere, a big cold war top secret?
"An interview of Romodanovskiy will be published on Tuesday "Rossiyskaya Gazeta"". We wait with awe and anticipation.
 Quoting: FormerlyBritish

Here is the full interview
[link to www.rg.ru]
it does not (seem to me to) shed much light as to what is going to happen when winter comes.

How in gods' name are they going to cope with a flood of people who are forced to move simply by the lack of heating?
I'm guessing there are lots of houses with fireplaces where rubbish can be burned. But unheated apartment buildings are winter death traps.

Some kind of preparation needs to be expedited. Is there a Russian equivalent to Nissen huts / Quonset huts?
If temporary housing is to be built it will have to be where gas or other fuel is available in abundance.
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Hi FB :)

I know that China has a lot of Ghost-Towns to relocate millions, but I couldnt find the same projects in Russia.

What could be an option is SOCHI :

Deserted and already falling apart: Winter Olympics seem a lifetime ago as photographs reveal £31bn Sochi ghost town
[link to www.dailymail.co.uk]


I am sure that many people could be split-up and relocated in several towns which need workers in their factories ...

There need to be many hands aiding in the constructions for the 2018 FIFA World Cup ...

Construction of a new space-city in the far East:
[link to www.russianspaceweb.com]



xxxK
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Just got word that ruble will make huge gains on the market soon.
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Nothing dramatic on the foreign exchanges so far today.

Hryvnia is having another difficult day
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Alex Bukovsky &#8207;@BungeeWedgie · 7 min.
RT @SergeyGall: at NizniyaKrynka many bodies of civilians w/signs of torture were uncovered. Many amm cases. #Ukraine pic.twitter.com/8ceFAJEN02

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ITAR-TASS @itass_en · 2 h
Grave with beheaded bodies found on Ukrainian National Guard positions in eastern Ukraine [link to en.itar-tass.com]

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"Rest assured, hell is big enough for all. It doesn't deserve this fierce competition over who will be the worst." - Dr. Bashar Jaafari, UNSC session, 22nd of February, 2018 [link to youtu.be (secure)]
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tony_hartin &#8207;@tony_hartin · 46 min.
#DNR reports #NAF start to withdraw heavy artillery to 15km from front lines. Also report Ukie heavy artillery near Lugansk pulling back
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Prepping for round 2, get the peons back in place and the lines redrawn.
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..so where are the ladies? Krispy, Lucy and KFinn...
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Heard from Krispy day before yesterday...she is feeling better.
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..so where are the ladies? Krispy, Lucy and KFinn...
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Heard from Krispy day before yesterday...she is feeling better.
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Hi all

I am feeling a bit better but I am not recovered yet.
Cant sit straight up for longer times, and cant walk to much yet without getting drained totally and or pains.

So posting and reading long around here is still difficult.


hf


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Something very mysterious happened on Monday 2014-9-22.
Could it be that Russia is laying the groundwork for a complete surrender in Donbas?
Machine translation, in part <50%
[link to ria.ru]
MOSCOW, Sept. 22 - RIA Novosti. Head of the Federal Migration Service Konstantin Romodanovskiy believes that "in the most dramatic scenarios for future development" in eastern Ukraine to Russia can go about five million Russian-speaking residents of Donbass. ...
According to the Federal Migration Service of the Russian Federation, in the period from April 1, about 820 thousand citizens of Ukraine entered the Russian Federation and remained on its territory. Kiev authorities in April began in eastern Ukraine, a military operation against the residents of the region.
 Quoting: [link to ria.ru]

Five million? FIVE MILLION PEOPLE?!! That is roughly 100% of the people in the so-called special regions. Or more than 75% of the entire population of Donetsk and Luhansk Oblasts.
The Russian Federal Migration Service is making preparations to receive FIVE MILLION refugees. Basically the entire population would be ethnically cleansed.
Nothing on this scale has been seen in the world since the division of India into India and Pakistan. Before that you would perhaps have to go back to the Russian Civil War in the 1920s! Or something in Manchuria/China (I don't know that history much).
To do this they would have to do something like restart the Khrushchev era new city building programmes.
Has anyone any idea how fast they could build even temporary winter-proof housing for five million people? Or does it already exist somewhere, a big cold war top secret?
"An interview of Romodanovskiy will be published on Tuesday "Rossiyskaya Gazeta"". We wait with awe and anticipation.
 Quoting: FormerlyBritish

Here is the full interview
[link to www.rg.ru]
it does not (seem to me to) shed much light as to what is going to happen when winter comes.

How in gods' name are they going to cope with a flood of people who are forced to move simply by the lack of heating?
I'm guessing there are lots of houses with fireplaces where rubbish can be burned. But unheated apartment buildings are winter death traps.
Some kind of preparation needs to be expedited. Is there a Russian equivalent to Nissen huts / Quonset huts?
If temporary housing is to be built it will have to be where gas or other fuel is available in abundance.
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Hi FB :)
I know that China has a lot of Ghost-Towns to relocate millions, but I couldn't find the same projects in Russia.
What could be an option is SOCHI :
Deserted and already falling apart: Winter Olympics seem a lifetime ago as photographs reveal £31bn Sochi ghost town
[link to www.dailymail.co.uk]
I am sure that many people could be split-up and relocated in several towns which need workers in their factories ...
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Sochi certainly looks like it might make a good refugee receiving center, where people go initially pending resettlement. The Daily Mail is, of course, a notorious rag, you can be certain their photographs are deceptive.
If, for whatever reason, Sochi is not going to make it as a resort then it should be converted into a University city.
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..so where are the ladies? Krispy, Lucy and KFinn...
 Quoting: Matjaz


Heard from Krispy day before yesterday...she is feeling better.
 Quoting: PIR


Hi all

I am feeling a bit better but I am not recovered yet.
Cant sit straight up for longer times, and cant walk to much yet without getting drained totally and or pains.

So posting and reading long around here is still difficult.


hf


xxxK
 Quoting: Krispy71


hi

Hello, nice to see you here again. Sure it will be better and better day by day!

hf
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"This is not a new world, it is simply an extension of what began in the old one. It has patterned itself after every dictator who has ever planted the ripping imprint of a boot on the pages of history since the beginning of time. It has refinements, technological advances, and a more sophisticated approach to the destruction of human freedom. But like every one of the super-states that preceded it, it has one iron rule: logic is an enemy and truth is a menace." - "The Obsolete Man" - The Twilight Zone, 1961
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"I assure you, ladies and gentlemen that, very soon history will show that we and our allies have fought a war on behalf of the whole world against terrorism supported by governments that will be held accountable by its own people..."
Quoting Dostoyevsky:
"Rest assured, hell is big enough for all. It doesn't deserve this fierce competition over who will be the worst." - Dr. Bashar Jaafari, UNSC session, 22nd of February, 2018 [link to youtu.be (secure)]
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Ukraine Reporter &#8207;@StateOfUkraine · 5 min.
Deputy Head of Donetsk Regional Gov't: pensions and public sector wages in the areas uncontrolled by #Ukraine authorities will not be paid.

“You don’t fear death, you welcome it. Your punishment must be more severe.” - Bane

"This is not a new world, it is simply an extension of what began in the old one. It has patterned itself after every dictator who has ever planted the ripping imprint of a boot on the pages of history since the beginning of time. It has refinements, technological advances, and a more sophisticated approach to the destruction of human freedom. But like every one of the super-states that preceded it, it has one iron rule: logic is an enemy and truth is a menace." - "The Obsolete Man" - The Twilight Zone, 1961
________________________________________________________​__________________
"I assure you, ladies and gentlemen that, very soon history will show that we and our allies have fought a war on behalf of the whole world against terrorism supported by governments that will be held accountable by its own people..."
Quoting Dostoyevsky:
"Rest assured, hell is big enough for all. It doesn't deserve this fierce competition over who will be the worst." - Dr. Bashar Jaafari, UNSC session, 22nd of February, 2018 [link to youtu.be (secure)]
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Odessa asks Kiev for autonomy

Following the Lugansk and Donetsk regions Odessa people want to get a similar special status for their Oblast.

[link to izvestia.ru]
machine translation <50%
The initiative group of deputies of the city council of Odessa next week will bring a bill to the Odessa autonomy. Proposal for consideration of initiatives will be sent to the Verkhovna Rada and the Cabinet of Ministers of Ukraine.

The document states that local authorities should choose the language in education and government, to determine the economic policies of the city of Odessa, create and supervise the work of the people's militia units. The bill proposes to develop an agreement between the Cabinet of Ministers of Ukraine and Odessa City Council on economic, social and cultural development of Odessa.

In the project of giving the city of Odessa and Odessa region special status is also said that this decision affect the vote of the Verkhovna Rada of the Law "On the special circumstances of local government in certain areas of Donetsk and Lugansk regions", which significantly expands the powers of local government. The draft law will also be sent for approval to the Mayor of Odessa Gennady Truhanov.

- Discussion on the Granting Authority Odessa region is the 23 years of Ukrainian independence. ...
 Quoting: [link to izvestia.ru]

More also at [link to cont.ws]

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Something very mysterious happened on Monday 2014-9-22.
Could it be that Russia is laying the groundwork for a complete surrender in Donbas?
Machine translation, in part <50%
[link to ria.ru]
...

Five million? FIVE MILLION PEOPLE?!! That is roughly 100% of the people in the so-called special regions. Or more than 75% of the entire population of Donetsk and Luhansk Oblasts.
The Russian Federal Migration Service is making preparations to receive FIVE MILLION refugees. Basically the entire population would be ethnically cleansed.
Nothing on this scale has been seen in the world since the division of India into India and Pakistan. Before that you would perhaps have to go back to the Russian Civil War in the 1920s! Or something in Manchuria/China (I don't know that history much).
To do this they would have to do something like restart the Khrushchev era new city building programmes.
Has anyone any idea how fast they could build even temporary winter-proof housing for five million people? Or does it already exist somewhere, a big cold war top secret?
"An interview of Romodanovskiy will be published on Tuesday "Rossiyskaya Gazeta"". We wait with awe and anticipation.
 Quoting: FormerlyBritish

Here is the full interview
[link to www.rg.ru]
it does not (seem to me to) shed much light as to what is going to happen when winter comes.

How in gods' name are they going to cope with a flood of people who are forced to move simply by the lack of heating?
I'm guessing there are lots of houses with fireplaces where rubbish can be burned. But unheated apartment buildings are winter death traps.
Some kind of preparation needs to be expedited. Is there a Russian equivalent to Nissen huts / Quonset huts?
If temporary housing is to be built it will have to be where gas or other fuel is available in abundance.
 Quoting: FormerlyBritish

Hi FB :)
I know that China has a lot of Ghost-Towns to relocate millions, but I couldn't find the same projects in Russia.
What could be an option is SOCHI :
Deserted and already falling apart: Winter Olympics seem a lifetime ago as photographs reveal £31bn Sochi ghost town
[link to www.dailymail.co.uk]
I am sure that many people could be split-up and relocated in several towns which need workers in their factories ...
 Quoting: Krispy71

Sochi certainly looks like it might make a good refugee receiving center, where people go initially pending resettlement. The Daily Mail is, of course, a notorious rag, you can be certain their photographs are deceptive.
If, for whatever reason, Sochi is not going to make it as a resort then it should be converted into a University city.
 Quoting: FormerlyBritish


Looks like pics were taken at 6 am...and what to expect from a newspaper that came up with headlines like "Putin killed our babies" when MH17 was shot down
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Motorola group attacks ukr.Karateley (so-called punishers, National Guard etc.) with GRAD. Very recent.

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When I was young we would sometimes watch television programmes about "the war" (World War Two) and similar rokets were referred to as "Stalin's organ pipes". A term I have not heard for many years.

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Motorola group attacks ukr.Karateley (so-called punishers, National Guard etc.) with GRAD. Very recent.

[link to www.youtube.com (secure)]


When I was young we would sometimes watch television programmes about "the war" (World War Two) and similar rokets were referred to as "Stalin's organ pipes". A term I have not heard for many years.
 Quoting: FormerlyBritish


Katyusha...

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“You don’t fear death, you welcome it. Your punishment must be more severe.” - Bane

"This is not a new world, it is simply an extension of what began in the old one. It has patterned itself after every dictator who has ever planted the ripping imprint of a boot on the pages of history since the beginning of time. It has refinements, technological advances, and a more sophisticated approach to the destruction of human freedom. But like every one of the super-states that preceded it, it has one iron rule: logic is an enemy and truth is a menace." - "The Obsolete Man" - The Twilight Zone, 1961
________________________________________________________​__________________
"I assure you, ladies and gentlemen that, very soon history will show that we and our allies have fought a war on behalf of the whole world against terrorism supported by governments that will be held accountable by its own people..."
Quoting Dostoyevsky:
"Rest assured, hell is big enough for all. It doesn't deserve this fierce competition over who will be the worst." - Dr. Bashar Jaafari, UNSC session, 22nd of February, 2018 [link to youtu.be (secure)]
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Steiner &#8207;@Steiner1776 · 4 min.
#Ukraine executed civilians with their hands bound #Donetsk prosecutors excavating mass graves near #Donetsk said. Some corpses w/out heads


Steiner &#8207;@Steiner1776 · 2 min.
#Donetsk The body of a pregnant woman was found at the mass grave near an old #Ukraine regime position pic.twitter.com/QVlMItx8KQ via @ley_la

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Steiner &#8207;@Steiner1776 · 1 min.
#Donetsk Number of victims at the #Ukraine regime mass grave still unknown.#Novorossiya Self Defense fears bodies are mined via @SergeyGall

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“You don’t fear death, you welcome it. Your punishment must be more severe.” - Bane

"This is not a new world, it is simply an extension of what began in the old one. It has patterned itself after every dictator who has ever planted the ripping imprint of a boot on the pages of history since the beginning of time. It has refinements, technological advances, and a more sophisticated approach to the destruction of human freedom. But like every one of the super-states that preceded it, it has one iron rule: logic is an enemy and truth is a menace." - "The Obsolete Man" - The Twilight Zone, 1961
________________________________________________________​__________________
"I assure you, ladies and gentlemen that, very soon history will show that we and our allies have fought a war on behalf of the whole world against terrorism supported by governments that will be held accountable by its own people..."
Quoting Dostoyevsky:
"Rest assured, hell is big enough for all. It doesn't deserve this fierce competition over who will be the worst." - Dr. Bashar Jaafari, UNSC session, 22nd of February, 2018 [link to youtu.be (secure)]
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