UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387

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UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387
BlueRidgeDoom User ID: 62673386 United States 10/23/2014 11:04 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation	Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 Please someone explain to me who the hell the good and bad guys are in this whole conflict? Ruskie media points out the obvious, NATO and CIA meddling in Ukraine where they don't belong. As well as Ukie junta-nazi occupied puppet politicians Western media points out Putin's aggression, blames for MH17, Ukies just fighting for the ability to join EU, like Poland(lots of money from EU) I see videos that accuses Ukie troops of rape and mass-murder I see videos "humanizing" the ruskie militia-men, showing their struggles. I'm very confused, the level of brain-washing is immense from both sides. I've been following this thread the best I can but I am still confused who to root for! Putin and the green ruskies or the junta-ukies and our CIA? Last Edited by RandomAccess on 10/23/2014 11:05 AM
KneelB4Zod! User ID: 18164985 Denmark 10/23/2014 11:12 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation	Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 Please someone explain to me who the hell the good and bad guys are in this whole conflict? Ruskie media points out the obvious, NATO and CIA meddling in Ukraine where they don't belong. As well as Ukie junta-nazi occupied puppet politicians Western media points out Putin's aggression, blames for MH17, Ukies just fighting for the ability to join EU, like Poland(lots of money from EU) I see videos that accuses Ukie troops of rape and mass-murder I see videos "humanizing" the ruskie militia-men, showing their struggles. I'm very confused, the level of brain-washing is immense from both sides. I've been following this thread the best I can but I am still confused who to root for! Putin and the green ruskies or the junta-ukies and our CIA? Quoting: BlueRidgeDoom I think it can't be explained. If you are common with western foreign policy, globalization, worlwide hegemony, false flags, secret services or if you like Obongo, Nuland, Porky etc. good guys for you are in Kiev. If you don't like that/them there are two options - there aren't good guys for you or there are good guys in Novorossiya. It is mainly matter of personal point of view on multiple aspects... “You don’t fear death, you welcome it. Your punishment must be more severe.” - Bane "This is not a new world, it is simply an extension of what began in the old one. It has patterned itself after every dictator who has ever planted the ripping imprint of a boot on the pages of history since the beginning of time. It has refinements, technological advances, and a more sophisticated approach to the destruction of human freedom. But like every one of the super-states that preceded it, it has one iron rule: logic is an enemy and truth is a menace." - "The Obsolete Man" - The Twilight Zone, 1961 __________________________________________________________________________ "I assure you, ladies and gentlemen that, very soon history will show that we and our allies have fought a war on behalf of the whole world against terrorism supported by governments that will be held accountable by its own people..." Quoting Dostoyevsky: "Rest assured, hell is big enough for all. It doesn't deserve this fierce competition over who will be the worst." - Dr. Bashar Jaafari, UNSC session, 22nd of February, 2018 [link to youtu.be (secure)] __________________________________________________________________________ [link to www.godlikeproductions.com]
Anonymous Coward User ID: 24802969 Germany 10/23/2014 11:13 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation	Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 Please someone explain to me who the hell the good and bad guys are in this whole conflict? Ruskie media points out the obvious, NATO and CIA meddling in Ukraine where they don't belong. As well as Ukie junta-nazi occupied puppet politicians Western media points out Putin's aggression, blames for MH17, Ukies just fighting for the ability to join EU, like Poland(lots of money from EU) I see videos that accuses Ukie troops of rape and mass-murder I see videos "humanizing" the ruskie militia-men, showing their struggles. I'm very confused, the level of brain-washing is immense from both sides. I've been following this thread the best I can but I am still confused who to root for! Putin and the green ruskies or the junta-ukies and our CIA? Quoting: BlueRidgeDoom the both sides (CIA and FSB) are "good" in their actions, ukie side is just a chessboard
hIndsIght2020 User ID: 61828182 United States 10/23/2014 11:19 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation	Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 For anyone who wants a good laugh: Ukraine rebels dream of New Russia [link to www.bbc.com] Quoting: hIndsIght2020 BBC is shit bbc europe is obet the top in shit Quoting: Anonymous Coward 64419157 Hinded probably missed (among other things) that the era of Monty Python is definitely gone... Quoting: KneelB4Zod! Zod wishes he was in Russia right now, licking off Putin's plate. Which makes me think, if you're such a Kremlinbot, why don't you live in Russia? Last Edited by hIndsIght2020 on 10/23/2014 11:21 AM
Anonymous Coward User ID: 63510309 United States 10/23/2014 11:22 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation	Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 For anyone who wants a good laugh: Ukraine rebels dream of New Russia [link to www.bbc.com] Quoting: hIndsIght2020 BBC is shit bbc europe is obet the top in shit Quoting: Anonymous Coward 64419157 Hinded probably missed (among other things) that the era of Monty Python is definitely gone... Quoting: KneelB4Zod! Zod wishes he was in Russia right now, licking off Putin's plate. :putinbot: Which makes me think, if you're such a Kremlinbot, why don't you live in Russia? Quoting: hIndsIght2020 You are by far the worst poster in this thread. Congratulations! Would you like a cookie?
FormerlyBritish User ID: 64413745 United States 10/23/2014 11:28 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation	Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 Please someone explain to me who the hell the good and bad guys are in this whole conflict? Ruskie media points out the obvious, NATO and CIA meddling in Ukraine where they don't belong. As well as Ukie junta-nazi occupied puppet politicians Western media points out Putin's aggression, blames for MH17, Ukies just fighting for the ability to join EU, like Poland(lots of money from EU) I see videos that accuses Ukie troops of rape and mass-murder I see videos "humanizing" the ruskie militia-men, showing their struggles. I'm very confused, the level of brain-washing is immense from both sides. I've been following this thread the best I can but I am still confused who to root for! Putin and the green ruskies or the junta-ukies and our CIA? Quoting: BlueRidgeDoom It's not that simple. Vlad Putin is still KGB and CPSU at heart and is fighting a cunning war against oligarchs installed by Yeltsin OR he is one of them. Vlad is grooming Igor Girkin as his successor in a country in which major money making enterprises will belong to the people OR he is ruthlessly exploiting the Colonel Strelkov reputation. Poroshenko is by force of circumstances unable to control neo-Nazis who are perpetrating horrendous crimes (you don't want to see the graphic photos) OR he is unwilling to stop them and still retain control of Ukraine. Preferring to cynically send them to be slaughtered by NAF. Poroshenko a puppet of the USA and is taking part in the looting of the corpse of Ukraine OR he wants to rebuild Ukraine but is unable to stop the looting and there's nothing much left to loot anyway. Take your pick. Last Edited by FormerlyBritish on 10/23/2014 11:31 AM
BlueRidgeDoom User ID: 62673386 United States 10/23/2014 11:30 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation	Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 Please someone explain to me who the hell the good and bad guys are in this whole conflict? Ruskie media points out the obvious, NATO and CIA meddling in Ukraine where they don't belong. As well as Ukie junta-nazi occupied puppet politicians Western media points out Putin's aggression, blames for MH17, Ukies just fighting for the ability to join EU, like Poland(lots of money from EU) I see videos that accuses Ukie troops of rape and mass-murder I see videos "humanizing" the ruskie militia-men, showing their struggles. I'm very confused, the level of brain-washing is immense from both sides. I've been following this thread the best I can but I am still confused who to root for! Putin and the green ruskies or the junta-ukies and our CIA? Quoting: BlueRidgeDoom I think it can't be explained. If you are common with western foreign policy, globalization, worlwide hegemony, false flags, secret services or if you like Obongo, Nuland, Porky etc. good guys for you are in Kiev. If you don't like that/them there are two options - there aren't good guys for you or there are good guys in Novorossiya. It is mainly matter of personal point of view on multiple aspects... Quoting: KneelB4Zod! :) Thank you but I'm still not sure how to root! US has troops on the ground there, covertly. Nato is getting involved with a non-Nato country(power trip?) If Putin wanted to invade and destroy Ukraine, this would be over already and not much to report except the mass ukie casualities. I notice Kiev bombing east-ukie indiscriminately, with nasty cluster bombs and heavy-mortar fire. I feel it was probably the Ukies that shot down MH17, and the reason we(the west) won't hear about it, is because we wanted to blame Putin, to give Nato and the US just cause to bomb his ass. But since it's likely the Ukies shot down the jet, the news reports on MH17 have gotten really cold and quiet. Again, thank you but this whole thing is hard to understand, hard to pick a side, and appears to be leading towards potential WW4(yes 4, not 3) Kiev wants to join EU for the money they'll gain, this I understand. Russia doesn't want to lose Ukraine influence due to the fertile soils and heavily industrialized regions of east-ukie. FWIW China is now leasing out 5% of Ukraine for the next 50years for the purpose of farm-land and agriculture imports from Ukie to China
BlueRidgeDoom User ID: 62673386 United States 10/23/2014 11:40 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation	Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 It's not that simple. Vlad Putin is still KGB and CPSU at heart and is fighting a cunning war against oligarchs installed by Yeltsin OR he is one of them. Vlad is grooming Igor Girkin as his successor in a country in which major money making enterprises will belong to the people OR he is ruthlessly exploiting the Colonel Strelkov reputation. Poroshenko is by force of circumstances unable to control neo-Nazis who are perpetrating horrendous crimes (you don't want to see the graphic photos) OR he is unwilling to stop them and still retain control of Ukraine. Preferring to cynically send them to be slaughtered by NAF. Poroshenko a puppet of the USA and is taking part in the looting of the corpse of Ukraine OR he wants to rebuild Ukraine but is unable to stop the looting and there's nothing much left to loot anyway. Take your pick. Quoting: FormerlyBritish Thank you. From what I know, Putin is still KGB and also one of the most wealthiest men in the world. I don't know much on his relationships with oligarchs but I would assume they all rub elbows at the same table? Poroshenko want's to join EU, comparing Warsaw to Kiev, it's like night and day but only 2 hours away. I dont know much about the neo-nazi's, but I hear about them from Ruskie media and the militia-men all the time. I have seen American MRE's as well as read lots of CIA influence. We more than likely have "boots on the ground" courtesy of the CIA. This could be related to the new travel-warning issues for American citizens on the Ukie/Ruskie border. I am very aware of the level of brainwashing on both sides, as well as the fact both Putin and American powers that be, are Free-mason. Just so damn confused on this entire crisis, what are the facts, what are the lies. I tend to believe Russian media outlets more than Western, mainly because Ruskies do not question their government, and do not require the level of brainwashing American's need in order to be swayed by the neo-conservatives and their constant push for war.
Anonymous Coward User ID: 64233760 Sweden 10/23/2014 11:40 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation	Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 Conflict News ‏@rConflictNews 6 s Fire at #Donetsk chemical factory right now via @tombreadley
FormerlyBritish User ID: 64413745 United States 10/23/2014 11:43 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation	Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 ... Russia doesn't want to lose Ukraine influence due to the fertile soils and heavily industrialized regions of east-ukie. FWIW China is now leasing out 5% of Ukraine for the next 50years for the purpose of farm-land and agriculture imports from Ukie to China Quoting: BlueRidgeDoom Whatever else you have taken away, those are wrong. Russia does not need the farming land of Ukraine, it is a black hole for money for the foreseeable future and something no-one can afford. As to industry, Russia needs the people, not the factories, and has simply bribed those needed (engineers, technician and their families) to move to Russia. And continues to recruit Russian speaking engineers and technicians. Russian speaking means as a first language. Russia is underpopulated, and especially underpopulated with Ruskys (as contrasted with ex-Soviet Rossyanins). Especially families. As to China, it has given up on Ukraine. They paid to lease land, paid for seed, pesticides, machines, fuel, labour and all was looted. That is not to say China will not become interested in Ukraine again - China will, but only when the Ukraine unrest (call it civil war if you like) is firmly history and not ongoing. Meanwhile, any land upon which Monsanto genetically modified organisms or pesticides are used is lost forever to China. Last Edited by FormerlyBritish on 10/23/2014 12:00 PM
KneelB4Zod! User ID: 18164985 Denmark 10/23/2014 11:43 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation	Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 Conflict News ‏@rConflictNews 6 s Fire at #Donetsk chemical factory right now via @tombreadley Quoting: Lyonesse Last Edited by KneelB4Zod! on 10/23/2014 11:43 AM “You don’t fear death, you welcome it. Your punishment must be more severe.” - Bane "This is not a new world, it is simply an extension of what began in the old one. It has patterned itself after every dictator who has ever planted the ripping imprint of a boot on the pages of history since the beginning of time. It has refinements, technological advances, and a more sophisticated approach to the destruction of human freedom. But like every one of the super-states that preceded it, it has one iron rule: logic is an enemy and truth is a menace." - "The Obsolete Man" - The Twilight Zone, 1961 __________________________________________________________________________ "I assure you, ladies and gentlemen that, very soon history will show that we and our allies have fought a war on behalf of the whole world against terrorism supported by governments that will be held accountable by its own people..." Quoting Dostoyevsky: "Rest assured, hell is big enough for all. It doesn't deserve this fierce competition over who will be the worst." - Dr. Bashar Jaafari, UNSC session, 22nd of February, 2018 [link to youtu.be (secure)] __________________________________________________________________________ [link to www.godlikeproductions.com]
Anonymous Coward User ID: 64415513 Russia 10/23/2014 11:43 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation	Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 Today in Russia know, that Ukrainian debt we receive. So Merkel say, that Ukrainia debt would be payment from EU taxpayers. So Ukraine was use gaz, but not payment for gaz. Instead Ukraine for Ukrainian gaz would be payment Germany (in start) and other EU countryes and taxpayers. [link to russian.rt.com]
Anonymous Coward User ID: 64415513 Russia 10/23/2014 11:47 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation	Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 Greek and Italy (and other EU countryes) can forget about German money. So buy gaz for Ukraine more importent for German. :)))))
Falter User ID: 58276109 Sweden 10/23/2014 12:00 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation	Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 Conflict News ‏@rConflictNews 6 s Fire at #Donetsk chemical factory right now via @tombreadley Quoting: Lyonesse [link to pbs.twimg.com (secure)] [link to pbs.twimg.com (secure)] "When the rich wage war, it's the poor who die." -Jean Paul Sartre "In modern war... you will die like a dog for no good reason." -Ernest Hemingway "China is a sleeping giant, Let her sleep, for when she wakes, she will shake the world." -Napoleon Bonaparte "Streets of Leningrad taught me one thing - if fight is inevitable, throw the first punch." -Vladimir Putin World War 3 prediction: Summer 2020.
Falter User ID: 58276109 Sweden 10/23/2014 12:01 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation	Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 Conflict News ‏@rConflictNews 6 s Fire at #Donetsk chemical factory right now via @tombreadley Quoting: Lyonesse [link to pbs.twimg.com (secure)] [link to pbs.twimg.com (secure)] Quoting: Falter This is bad. Really bad. "When the rich wage war, it's the poor who die." -Jean Paul Sartre "In modern war... you will die like a dog for no good reason." -Ernest Hemingway "China is a sleeping giant, Let her sleep, for when she wakes, she will shake the world." -Napoleon Bonaparte "Streets of Leningrad taught me one thing - if fight is inevitable, throw the first punch." -Vladimir Putin World War 3 prediction: Summer 2020.
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 2487547 Sweden 10/23/2014 12:15 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation	Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 @grasswire: BREAKING: Russia will recognize parliamentary elections in Ukraine - Kremlin
Anonymous Coward User ID: 64381600 Colombia 10/23/2014 12:16 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation	Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 How to start a war and lose an empire Dmitry Orlov's latest analysis. Excerpt: A year and a half I wrote an essay on how the US chooses to view Russia, titled The Image of the Enemy. I was living in Russia at the time, and, after observing the American anti-Russian rhetoric and the Russian reaction to it, I made some observations that seemed important at the time. It turns out that I managed to spot an important trend, but given the quick pace of developments since then, these observations are now woefully out of date, and so here is an update. At that time the stakes weren't very high yet. There was much noise around a fellow named Magnitsky, a corporate lawyer-crook who got caught and died in pretrial custody. He had been holding items for some bigger Western crooks, who were, of course, never apprehended. The Americans chose to treat this as a human rights violation and responded with the so-called “Magnitsky Act” which sanctioned certain Russian individuals who were labeled as human rights violators. Russian legislators responded with the “Dima Yakovlev Bill,” named after a Russian orphan adopted by Americans who killed him by leaving him in a locked car for nine hours. This bill banned American orphan-killing fiends from adopting any more Russian orphans. It all amounted to a silly bit of melodrama. But what a difference a year and a half has made! Ukraine, which was at that time collapsing at about the same steady pace as it had been ever since its independence two decades ago, is now truly a defunct state, with its economy in free-fall, one region gone and two more in open rebellion, much of the country terrorized by oligarch-funded death squads, and some American-anointed puppets nominally in charge but quaking in their boots about what's coming next. Syria and Iraq, which were then at a low simmer, have since erupted into full-blown war, with large parts of both now under the control of the Islamic Caliphate, which was formed with help from the US, was armed with US-made weapons via the Iraqis. Post-Qaddafi Libya seems to be working on establishing an Islamic Caliphate of its own. Against this backdrop of profound foreign US foreign policy failure, the US recently saw it fit to accuse Russia of having troops “on NATO's doorstep,” as if this had nothing to do with the fact that NATO has expanded east, all the way to Russia's borders. Unsurprisingly, US–Russia relations have now reached a point where the Russians saw it fit to issue a stern warning: further Western attempts at blackmailing them may result in a nuclear confrontation. The American behavior throughout this succession of defeats has been remarkably consistent, with the constant element being their flat refusal to deal with reality in any way, shape or form. Just as before, in Syria the Americans are ever looking for moderate, pro-Western Islamists, who want to do what the Americans want (topple the government of Bashar al Assad) but will stop short of going on to destroy all the infidel invaders they can get their hands on. The fact that such moderate, pro-Western Islamists do not seem to exist does not affect American strategy in the region in any way. Similarly, in Ukraine, the fact that the heavy American investment in “freedom and democracy,” or “open society,” or what have you, has produced a government dominated by fascists and a civil war is, according to the Americans, just some Russian propaganda. Parading under the banner of Hitler's Ukrainian SS division and anointing Nazi collaborators as national heroes is just not convincing enough for them. What do these Nazis have to do to prove that they are Nazis, build some ovens and roast some Jews? Just massacring people by setting fire to a building, as they did in Odessa, or shooting unarmed civilians in the back and tossing them into mass graves, as they did in Donetsk, doesn't seem to work. The fact that many people have refused to be ruled by Nazi thugs and have successfully resisted them has caused the Americans to label them as “pro-Russian separatists.” This, in turn, was used to blame the troubles in Ukraine on Russia, and to impose sanctions on Russia. The sanctions would be reviewed if Russia were to withdraw its troops from Ukraine. Trouble is, there are no Russian troops in Ukraine. Note that this sort of behavior is nothing new. The Americans invaded Afghanistan because the Taleban would not relinquish Osama Bin Laden (who was a CIA operative) unless Americans produced evidence implicating him in 9/11—which did not exist. Americans invaded Iraq because Saddam Hussein would not relinquish his weapons of mass destruction—which did not exist. They invaded Libya because Muammar Qaddafi would not relinquish official positions—which he did not hold. They were ready to invade Syria because Bashar al Assad had used chemical weapons against his own people—which he did not do. And now they imposed sanctions on Russia because Russia had destabilized and invaded Ukraine—which it did not do either. (The US did that.) Rest at link: [link to cluborlov.blogspot.ch] Take care
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 63420091 Russia 10/23/2014 12:23 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation	Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 Please someone explain to me who the hell the good and bad guys are in this whole conflict? Ruskie media points out the obvious, NATO and CIA meddling in Ukraine where they don't belong. As well as Ukie junta-nazi occupied puppet politicians Western media points out Putin's aggression, blames for MH17, Ukies just fighting for the ability to join EU, like Poland(lots of money from EU) I see videos that accuses Ukie troops of rape and mass-murder I see videos "humanizing" the ruskie militia-men, showing their struggles. I'm very confused, the level of brain-washing is immense from both sides. I've been following this thread the best I can but I am still confused who to root for! Putin and the green ruskies or the junta-ukies and our CIA? Quoting: BlueRidgeDoom Everybody is bad. First, Ukraine doesn't have much reason to exist as an independent state in its 1991-2013 borders, first of all. The Ukrainian national identity is a very blurred thing, the territory has been contested by the two polar political and religious extremes - Russia and Poland, for centuries, and also was influenced heavily by Tatars\Turks. The first time the history heard about Ukrainians as an independent nation was almost 400 years ago when they were fighting for independence against Poland, first of all for their right to remain Orthodox Christian. Eventually they merged with Russia, probably expecting more autonomy than they got, and were largely assimilated. However, the western part of modern Ukraine remained Polish and adopted the Greaco-Catholic religion, and after Poland itself was divided between Russia, Austria and Prussia 300 years ago, they remained Austrian to become a part of Poland again when it was resurrected after the WWI. It was only in 1939 when they were annexed by the Soviet union, falling under Moscow rule for the first time ever, forced to speak Russian, losing their living standards and being repressed. Now Ukraine is an independent country with different groups of population that have very different mentality - from proper Russians who identify themselves as Russians to the Russian-hating West Ukrainians. To make it more complex, there is no sharp division: there are people who identify themselves as Ukrainians, though speak only Russian (about a half of the population speaks Russian as their first language), most other people are bilingual, Ukrainian speakers often speak a version of the language heavy influenced by Russian, many people who were otherwise Russian-speaking had to learn Ukrainian because Russian lost its official status after 1991 despite being the mother tongue of the majority of the population by that time, while almost all Ukrainian speakers also spoke Russian fluently. Now the West Ukrainians accuse the East Ukrainians of speaking "corrupt" Ukrainian, while their own language is heavily influenced by Polish, and when a West Ukrainian speaks, it sounds like Polish, while when an East Ukrainian speaks, it sounds more like Russian. Also, there are Orthodox Christians that belong to Moscow Patriarchate, Orthodox Christians of the Kiev Patriarchate (created in 1991), and there are Greaco-Catholic Christians. So all those groups are blurred, but you can clearly tell the difference between the extreme versions of an Ukrainian. So what the Ukrainian state has been trying to do is to unify all of this somehow, which is hard, because they have a very long tradition of killing each other, and most recently during the WWII the West Ukraine overwhelmingly supported Hitler while the East Ukraine overwhelmingly supported Stalin, so they have very different heroes and very different attitude to various historical events. But the Ukrainian elite, which itself originates from the communist top brass of the Ukrainian Soviet Republic, chose to promote the most extreme West Ukrainian version of the national identity - for an obvious reason that they needed to maintain an identity separate from Russian to justify the independence of their country which they didn't fight for and which fell on them as a gift of the skies. This has been going on for the last 15 years, Russian language lost its status, Ukrainian language was promoted widely (most of the modern Ukrainian leadership didn't speak it and had to learn it themselves), Nazi collaborationist scum was whitewashed and a very biased view of history was taught at schools; people from the West became demigods for the rest of the population, and the youth from Kiev and other places preferred to go to study to Lvov (West Ukraine) to absorb the "true Ukrainian spirit". In the meanwhile, the East of the country remained the major driver of the economy, unlike the poor agricultural West, but they didn't have their own political alternative for the whole country - they were mostly represented by the Party of the Regions and the Communist party, which exploited regionalism and soviet nostalgia. So the West Ukrainian identity has been gaining ground throughout the last 15 years, expanding to the East from the three marginal western regions to the good half of the country, while the East stagnated in their Soviet mentality while still identifying themselves as Ukrainians. No leader of the Ukraine, not even Yanukovich, tried to crack down on the Western Ukies, because they were their leverage against Russia, but now they grew strong and they felt they don't need the half-hearted politicians from the East leading them without really sharing their values; the whole idea of the Maydan was to get the power and accelerate the Ukrainization process, which they also regularly confuse with Westernization, that is they expect that if the West Ukie values prevail, they will be ready for the integration into the EU. At the same time, West Ukrainain values are comfortably Russain-hating, so NATO and CIA supported them for the very clear reason that they won't ever find any common points with Moscow and will use every chance to poke a stick into Putin's eye. The most sensitive questions were the Russia's naval headquarters in Crimea, gas transit to Europe through the Ukrainian territory, supplies corridor to the Russian army in Transnistia, and the non-participation of the Ukraine in NATO. So when those assholes got into power, Russia has absolutely no choice but to push on them, in the form of annexing Crimea and boosting insurgency in the Donbass. Surprisingly, they didn't back off at all, and even worse than that, they got a very strong support of the West, with Russia now being hit severely by the sanctions. The struggle in the East and even Crimea annexation doesn't solve any problems by itself, until Kiev isn't ready to accept their defeat and come to terms with the Russian national interests, but with the American support, they won't do it, forcing Russia either to accept the unacceptable costs of losing everything in the Ukraine, or to start a large-scale invasion. Neither option seems to appeal to Kremlin, but while they are losing time, the Russian economy is going downhill and the internal situation becomes even more crazy and nervous. So essentially it's a game of the West against Russia, with Kiev hardly being independent, and the rebels of Donbass not being independent at all. Regardless of their real attitude to the changes in Kiev, they would have probably suffered silently if Russia hadn't intervened, and they aren't capable of much without Russia's direct support. But you should also keep in mind that Russia doesn't have any good agenda there or elsewhere; nationalists and communists, anarchists and antiglobalists who are lured into fighting for Novorussia together there aren't probably going to be satisfied, because Kremlin is just securing Russian national interests, as well as personal interests of the oligarchs, without giving a fuck about people there.
Anonymous Coward User ID: 64401886 Germany 10/23/2014 12:33 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation	Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 Please someone explain to me who the hell the good and bad guys are in this whole conflict? Ruskie media points out the obvious, NATO and CIA meddling in Ukraine where they don't belong. As well as Ukie junta-nazi occupied puppet politicians Western media points out Putin's aggression, blames for MH17, Ukies just fighting for the ability to join EU, like Poland(lots of money from EU) I see videos that accuses Ukie troops of rape and mass-murder I see videos "humanizing" the ruskie militia-men, showing their struggles. I'm very confused, the level of brain-washing is immense from both sides. I've been following this thread the best I can but I am still confused who to root for! Putin and the green ruskies or the junta-ukies and our CIA? Quoting: BlueRidgeDoom Everybody is bad. First, Ukraine doesn't have much reason to exist as an independent state in its 1991-2013 borders, first of all. The Ukrainian national identity is a very blurred thing, the territory has been contested by the two polar political and religious extremes - Russia and Poland, for centuries, and also was influenced heavily by Tatars\Turks. The first time the history heard about Ukrainians as an independent nation was almost 400 years ago when they were fighting for independence against Poland, first of all for their right to remain Orthodox Christian. Eventually they merged with Russia, probably expecting more autonomy than they got, and were largely assimilated. However, the western part of modern Ukraine remained Polish and adopted the Greaco-Catholic religion, and after Poland itself was divided between Russia, Austria and Prussia 300 years ago, they remained Austrian to become a part of Poland again when it was resurrected after the WWI. It was only in 1939 when they were annexed by the Soviet union, falling under Moscow rule for the first time ever, forced to speak Russian, losing their living standards and being repressed. Now Ukraine is an independent country with different groups of population that have very different mentality - from proper Russians who identify themselves as Russians to the Russian-hating West Ukrainians. To make it more complex, there is no sharp division: there are people who identify themselves as Ukrainians, though speak only Russian (about a half of the population speaks Russian as their first language), most other people are bilingual, Ukrainian speakers often speak a version of the language heavy influenced by Russian, many people who were otherwise Russian-speaking had to learn Ukrainian because Russian lost its official status after 1991 despite being the mother tongue of the majority of the population by that time, while almost all Ukrainian speakers also spoke Russian fluently. Now the West Ukrainians accuse the East Ukrainians of speaking "corrupt" Ukrainian, while their own language is heavily influenced by Polish, and when a West Ukrainian speaks, it sounds like Polish, while when an East Ukrainian speaks, it sounds more like Russian. Also, there are Orthodox Christians that belong to Moscow Patriarchate, Orthodox Christians of the Kiev Patriarchate (created in 1991), and there are Greaco-Catholic Christians. So all those groups are blurred, but you can clearly tell the difference between the extreme versions of an Ukrainian. So what the Ukrainian state has been trying to do is to unify all of this somehow, which is hard, because they have a very long tradition of killing each other, and most recently during the WWII the West Ukraine overwhelmingly supported Hitler while the East Ukraine overwhelmingly supported Stalin, so they have very different heroes and very different attitude to various historical events. But the Ukrainian elite, which itself originates from the communist top brass of the Ukrainian Soviet Republic, chose to promote the most extreme West Ukrainian version of the national identity - for an obvious reason that they needed to maintain an identity separate from Russian to justify the independence of their country which they didn't fight for and which fell on them as a gift of the skies. This has been going on for the last 15 years, Russian language lost its status, Ukrainian language was promoted widely (most of the modern Ukrainian leadership didn't speak it and had to learn it themselves), Nazi collaborationist scum was whitewashed and a very biased view of history was taught at schools; people from the West became demigods for the rest of the population, and the youth from Kiev and other places preferred to go to study to Lvov (West Ukraine) to absorb the "true Ukrainian spirit". In the meanwhile, the East of the country remained the major driver of the economy, unlike the poor agricultural West, but they didn't have their own political alternative for the whole country - they were mostly represented by the Party of the Regions and the Communist party, which exploited regionalism and soviet nostalgia. So the West Ukrainian identity has been gaining ground throughout the last 15 years, expanding to the East from the three marginal western regions to the good half of the country, while the East stagnated in their Soviet mentality while still identifying themselves as Ukrainians. No leader of the Ukraine, not even Yanukovich, tried to crack down on the Western Ukies, because they were their leverage against Russia, but now they grew strong and they felt they don't need the half-hearted politicians from the East leading them without really sharing their values; the whole idea of the Maydan was to get the power and accelerate the Ukrainization process, which they also regularly confuse with Westernization, that is they expect that if the West Ukie values prevail, they will be ready for the integration into the EU. At the same time, West Ukrainain values are comfortably Russain-hating, so NATO and CIA supported them for the very clear reason that they won't ever find any common points with Moscow and will use every chance to poke a stick into Putin's eye. The most sensitive questions were the Russia's naval headquarters in Crimea, gas transit to Europe through the Ukrainian territory, supplies corridor to the Russian army in Transnistia, and the non-participation of the Ukraine in NATO. So when those assholes got into power, Russia has absolutely no choice but to push on them, in the form of annexing Crimea and boosting insurgency in the Donbass. Surprisingly, they didn't back off at all, and even worse than that, they got a very strong support of the West, with Russia now being hit severely by the sanctions. The struggle in the East and even Crimea annexation doesn't solve any problems by itself, until Kiev isn't ready to accept their defeat and come to terms with the Russian national interests, but with the American support, they won't do it, forcing Russia either to accept the unacceptable costs of losing everything in the Ukraine, or to start a large-scale invasion. Neither option seems to appeal to Kremlin, but while they are losing time, the Russian economy is going downhill and the internal situation becomes even more crazy and nervous. So essentially it's a game of the West against Russia, with Kiev hardly being independent, and the rebels of Donbass not being independent at all. Regardless of their real attitude to the changes in Kiev, they would have probably suffered silently if Russia hadn't intervened, and they aren't capable of much without Russia's direct support. But you should also keep in mind that Russia doesn't have any good agenda there or elsewhere; nationalists and communists, anarchists and antiglobalists who are lured into fighting for Novorussia together there aren't probably going to be satisfied, because Kremlin is just securing Russian national interests, as well as personal interests of the oligarchs, without giving a fuck about people there. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 63420091 THANKS I NEEDED THAT
BlueRidgeDoom User ID: 62673386 United States 10/23/2014 12:52 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation	Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 Please someone explain to me who the hell the good and bad guys are in this whole conflict? Ruskie media points out the obvious, NATO and CIA meddling in Ukraine where they don't belong. As well as Ukie junta-nazi occupied puppet politicians Western media points out Putin's aggression, blames for MH17, Ukies just fighting for the ability to join EU, like Poland(lots of money from EU) I see videos that accuses Ukie troops of rape and mass-murder I see videos "humanizing" the ruskie militia-men, showing their struggles. I'm very confused, the level of brain-washing is immense from both sides. I've been following this thread the best I can but I am still confused who to root for! Putin and the green ruskies or the junta-ukies and our CIA? Quoting: BlueRidgeDoom Everybody is bad. First, Ukraine doesn't have much reason to exist as an independent state in its 1991-2013 borders, first of all. The Ukrainian national identity is a very blurred thing, the territory has been contested by the two polar political and religious extremes - Russia and Poland, for centuries, and also was influenced heavily by Tatars\Turks. The first time the history heard about Ukrainians as an independent nation was almost 400 years ago when they were fighting for independence against Poland, first of all for their right to remain Orthodox Christian. Eventually they merged with Russia, probably expecting more autonomy than they got, and were largely assimilated. However, the western part of modern Ukraine remained Polish and adopted the Greaco-Catholic religion, and after Poland itself was divided between Russia, Austria and Prussia 300 years ago, they remained Austrian to become a part of Poland again when it was resurrected after the WWI. It was only in 1939 when they were annexed by the Soviet union, falling under Moscow rule for the first time ever, forced to speak Russian, losing their living standards and being repressed. Now Ukraine is an independent country with different groups of population that have very different mentality - from proper Russians who identify themselves as Russians to the Russian-hating West Ukrainians. To make it more complex, there is no sharp division: there are people who identify themselves as Ukrainians, though speak only Russian (about a half of the population speaks Russian as their first language), most other people are bilingual, Ukrainian speakers often speak a version of the language heavy influenced by Russian, many people who were otherwise Russian-speaking had to learn Ukrainian because Russian lost its official status after 1991 despite being the mother tongue of the majority of the population by that time, while almost all Ukrainian speakers also spoke Russian fluently. Now the West Ukrainians accuse the East Ukrainians of speaking "corrupt" Ukrainian, while their own language is heavily influenced by Polish, and when a West Ukrainian speaks, it sounds like Polish, while when an East Ukrainian speaks, it sounds more like Russian. Also, there are Orthodox Christians that belong to Moscow Patriarchate, Orthodox Christians of the Kiev Patriarchate (created in 1991), and there are Greaco-Catholic Christians. So all those groups are blurred, but you can clearly tell the difference between the extreme versions of an Ukrainian. So what the Ukrainian state has been trying to do is to unify all of this somehow, which is hard, because they have a very long tradition of killing each other, and most recently during the WWII the West Ukraine overwhelmingly supported Hitler while the East Ukraine overwhelmingly supported Stalin, so they have very different heroes and very different attitude to various historical events. But the Ukrainian elite, which itself originates from the communist top brass of the Ukrainian Soviet Republic, chose to promote the most extreme West Ukrainian version of the national identity - for an obvious reason that they needed to maintain an identity separate from Russian to justify the independence of their country which they didn't fight for and which fell on them as a gift of the skies. This has been going on for the last 15 years, Russian language lost its status, Ukrainian language was promoted widely (most of the modern Ukrainian leadership didn't speak it and had to learn it themselves), Nazi collaborationist scum was whitewashed and a very biased view of history was taught at schools; people from the West became demigods for the rest of the population, and the youth from Kiev and other places preferred to go to study to Lvov (West Ukraine) to absorb the "true Ukrainian spirit". In the meanwhile, the East of the country remained the major driver of the economy, unlike the poor agricultural West, but they didn't have their own political alternative for the whole country - they were mostly represented by the Party of the Regions and the Communist party, which exploited regionalism and soviet nostalgia. So the West Ukrainian identity has been gaining ground throughout the last 15 years, expanding to the East from the three marginal western regions to the good half of the country, while the East stagnated in their Soviet mentality while still identifying themselves as Ukrainians. No leader of the Ukraine, not even Yanukovich, tried to crack down on the Western Ukies, because they were their leverage against Russia, but now they grew strong and they felt they don't need the half-hearted politicians from the East leading them without really sharing their values; the whole idea of the Maydan was to get the power and accelerate the Ukrainization process, which they also regularly confuse with Westernization, that is they expect that if the West Ukie values prevail, they will be ready for the integration into the EU. At the same time, West Ukrainain values are comfortably Russain-hating, so NATO and CIA supported them for the very clear reason that they won't ever find any common points with Moscow and will use every chance to poke a stick into Putin's eye. The most sensitive questions were the Russia's naval headquarters in Crimea, gas transit to Europe through the Ukrainian territory, supplies corridor to the Russian army in Transnistia, and the non-participation of the Ukraine in NATO. So when those assholes got into power, Russia has absolutely no choice but to push on them, in the form of annexing Crimea and boosting insurgency in the Donbass. Surprisingly, they didn't back off at all, and even worse than that, they got a very strong support of the West, with Russia now being hit severely by the sanctions. The struggle in the East and even Crimea annexation doesn't solve any problems by itself, until Kiev isn't ready to accept their defeat and come to terms with the Russian national interests, but with the American support, they won't do it, forcing Russia either to accept the unacceptable costs of losing everything in the Ukraine, or to start a large-scale invasion. Neither option seems to appeal to Kremlin, but while they are losing time, the Russian economy is going downhill and the internal situation becomes even more crazy and nervous. So essentially it's a game of the West against Russia, with Kiev hardly being independent, and the rebels of Donbass not being independent at all. Regardless of their real attitude to the changes in Kiev, they would have probably suffered silently if Russia hadn't intervened, and they aren't capable of much without Russia's direct support. But you should also keep in mind that Russia doesn't have any good agenda there or elsewhere; nationalists and communists, anarchists and antiglobalists who are lured into fighting for Novorussia together there aren't probably going to be satisfied, because Kremlin is just securing Russian national interests, as well as personal interests of the oligarchs, without giving a fuck about people there. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 63420091 Thank you for breaking down some history for me! I really appreciate the lesson. Seems like, all in all, this is a big cluster f*ck for power. But why is the West's so heavily interested in the outcomes of Ukraine? Why are they so hell-bent on war with Russia?
KneelB4Zod! User ID: 22992427 Czechia 10/23/2014 01:14 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation	Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 Conflict News ‏@rConflictNews 6 s Fire at #Donetsk chemical factory right now via @tombreadley Quoting: Lyonesse [link to pbs.twimg.com (secure)] [link to pbs.twimg.com (secure)] Quoting: Falter I have a bad feeling that this is not sunset... EDIT: Next time I will try to scroll the page little bit lower... Last Edited by KneelB4Zod! on 10/23/2014 01:17 PM “You don’t fear death, you welcome it. Your punishment must be more severe.” - Bane "This is not a new world, it is simply an extension of what began in the old one. It has patterned itself after every dictator who has ever planted the ripping imprint of a boot on the pages of history since the beginning of time. It has refinements, technological advances, and a more sophisticated approach to the destruction of human freedom. But like every one of the super-states that preceded it, it has one iron rule: logic is an enemy and truth is a menace." - "The Obsolete Man" - The Twilight Zone, 1961 __________________________________________________________________________ "I assure you, ladies and gentlemen that, very soon history will show that we and our allies have fought a war on behalf of the whole world against terrorism supported by governments that will be held accountable by its own people..." Quoting Dostoyevsky: "Rest assured, hell is big enough for all. It doesn't deserve this fierce competition over who will be the worst." - Dr. Bashar Jaafari, UNSC session, 22nd of February, 2018 [link to youtu.be (secure)] __________________________________________________________________________ [link to www.godlikeproductions.com]
BlueRidgeDoom User ID: 62673386 United States 10/23/2014 01:17 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation	Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 Conflict News ‏@rConflictNews 6 s Fire at #Donetsk chemical factory right now via @tombreadley Quoting: Lyonesse [link to pbs.twimg.com (secure)] [link to pbs.twimg.com (secure)] Quoting: Falter I have a bad feeling that this is not sunset... Quoting: KneelB4Zod! Possible: Wormwood, Niburu, Planet X sighting? I hear it's getting very close.
Anonymous Coward User ID: 63420091 Russia 10/23/2014 01:19 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation	Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 Thank you for breaking down some history for me! I really appreciate the lesson. Seems like, all in all, this is a big cluster fck for power. But why is the West's so heavily interested in the outcomes of Ukraine? Why are they so hell-bent on war with Russia? Quoting: BlueRidgeDoom* I don't think the West is hell-bent on a _war_ with Russia; rather, winning Ukraine is a way to overtake Russia _without_ a war. Despite all the propaganda, Russian leadership, at least a significant part of it, probably the majority, mostly care about their own money they get here in not very fair ways, and despite their aggressive anti-western rhetoric, they prefer to keep their families and wealth abroad in the West. So if the Russian economy gets crippled by the sanctions, low energy prices and possible disruption of gas exports to Europe, the elite will become much less loyal to Putin, including regional and ethnic leaders. Similarly the majority of the common people here don't question the elite as long as their own living standards are high enough, but if their living standards drop sharply, they go on a rampage. So I think the expectation is that under all of those sanctions and crap Russia will blow apart by itself, and it is probable. Sadly, this would be a hard way of changing the political course, and despite I am not happy with Putin, I expect that if things go that way the toll on the Russians will be very high, even the existence of the country itself will be questioned. So in this sense, the West is interested in maintaining the sanctions, it would be even better for the West if Russia invades Ukraine, as this would put an extra cost on the Russian economy while giving more reasons to keep the sanctions and introduce stricter ones. On the other hand, if Russia didn't react on Maidan and subsidized them with low gas prices, allowed the Ukies to kick away the Russian navy headquarters from Crimea (effectively destroying the Black Sea navy without a shot, as there is nowhere to move them away), kick away Russian army from Transnistria and allow Moldova annex it, etc, that would trigger a huge political crisis in Russia itself, while Ukraine still being able to nag Russia in various other ways, and besides that Ukraine could become a seat and a safe place for the Russian opposition, and the Ukrainians themselves could easily infiltrate Russia and facilitate a coup d'etat in Russia itself (you can't distinguish a Ukrainian from a Russian usually, and there are millions of them living in Russia). So it was a lose-lose situation for Kremlin, unfortunately. I think that a _war_ with the West is probably Russia's only option to actually win this struggle, because the West is unprepared to actually fight a war over Ukraine, but probably Putin isn't ready either.
Anonymous Coward User ID: 64233760 Sweden 10/23/2014 01:20 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation	Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 Conflict News ‏@rConflictNews 6 s Fire at #Donetsk chemical factory right now via @tombreadley Quoting: Lyonesse [link to pbs.twimg.com (secure)] [link to pbs.twimg.com (secure)] Quoting: Falter I have a bad feeling that this is not sunset... Quoting: KneelB4Zod! Strange though that no more information/confirmation seems to show up at twitter...?
Falter User ID: 58276109 Sweden 10/23/2014 01:21 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation	Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 Conflict News ‏@rConflictNews 6 s Fire at #Donetsk chemical factory right now via @tombreadley Quoting: Lyonesse [link to pbs.twimg.com (secure)] [link to pbs.twimg.com (secure)] Quoting: Falter I have a bad feeling that this is not sunset... EDIT: Next time I will try to scroll the page little bit lower... Quoting: KneelB4Zod! Lol "When the rich wage war, it's the poor who die." -Jean Paul Sartre "In modern war... you will die like a dog for no good reason." -Ernest Hemingway "China is a sleeping giant, Let her sleep, for when she wakes, she will shake the world." -Napoleon Bonaparte "Streets of Leningrad taught me one thing - if fight is inevitable, throw the first punch." -Vladimir Putin World War 3 prediction: Summer 2020.
Falter User ID: 58276109 Sweden 10/23/2014 01:22 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation	Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 Company Sukhoi created a prototype of a heavy hammer drone [link to pbs.twimg.com (secure)] "When the rich wage war, it's the poor who die." -Jean Paul Sartre "In modern war... you will die like a dog for no good reason." -Ernest Hemingway "China is a sleeping giant, Let her sleep, for when she wakes, she will shake the world." -Napoleon Bonaparte "Streets of Leningrad taught me one thing - if fight is inevitable, throw the first punch." -Vladimir Putin World War 3 prediction: Summer 2020.
Anonymous Coward User ID: 64233760 Sweden 10/23/2014 01:26 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation	Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 Conflict News ‏@rConflictNews 6 s Fire at #Donetsk chemical factory right now via @tombreadley Quoting: Lyonesse [link to pbs.twimg.com (secure)] [link to pbs.twimg.com (secure)] Quoting: Falter I have a bad feeling that this is not sunset... Quoting: KneelB4Zod! Strange though that no more information/confirmation seems to show up at twitter...? Quoting: Lyonesse Fake then.
Falter User ID: 58276109 Sweden 10/23/2014 01:33 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation	Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 ... [link to pbs.twimg.com (secure)] [link to pbs.twimg.com (secure)] Quoting: Falter I have a bad feeling that this is not sunset... Quoting: KneelB4Zod! Strange though that no more information/confirmation seems to show up at twitter...? Quoting: Lyonesse Fake then. Quoting: Lyonesse It seems like it happen, more and more youtube videos shows up. "When the rich wage war, it's the poor who die." -Jean Paul Sartre "In modern war... you will die like a dog for no good reason." -Ernest Hemingway "China is a sleeping giant, Let her sleep, for when she wakes, she will shake the world." -Napoleon Bonaparte "Streets of Leningrad taught me one thing - if fight is inevitable, throw the first punch." -Vladimir Putin World War 3 prediction: Summer 2020.
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