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UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387

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Nope, not wrong.Different does not mean wrong. Their several different ways to calculate nation's reserves, just there are different ways of calculating unemployment, GDP, etc. It depends on the economist. Different disciplines, different preferences. I agree with the Economist and their 370bn number. the critical point being, Russia is hemorrhaging cash and fast.
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I would agree with the actual number of the Russian Central bank...the rest is, just like the Ruble collapse or Putin's bad health, just propaganda! Facts will remain in the end. No matter what mathematical circus acts the West is going to do.
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People like you also believed the Soviet Union would never collapse, their economy tanked hard, kinda the same as the Russian economy of today, then POOF, bye bye Soviet Union. There will be a Russian economic collapse followed by uprising when the average Russian realizes Putin doesn't care about their well being and is unable to dig them out of a large ditch he created with his lies, aggression and dreams of a reborn Soviet Union.
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All this will remain nothing but a pipe dream. Keep on dreaming...with your pipe.
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Lol some people never learn. Have fun being in denial while watching Russia collapse. If the once mighty and very powerful Soviet Union was brought to its knees, you can bet a much weaker, modern Russia would be much easier to bring to it's knees.
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The Russian Central Bank deliberately inflates in foreign reserves holding in two ways: the National Welfare Fund, and the Reserve Fund. They include billions from these funds as part part of their foreign reserves. This is dubious accounting. In fact, it does not comply with GAAP standards. 370bn usd is accurate.
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Why?

The Japanese are trying to do everything to devalue their currency and this is considered a good thing.

Russia's ruble devaluation is viewed as negative.

Can not be both true.
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You got these numbers from the Economist you say? They're wrong! As of yesterday the balance is 428bn.
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He is shill, obssessed with number of my posts per day. There is no reason to pay attention to him. I am totally bored with those poor Obongos/NATO/NWO servants.

yawn
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Don't flatter yourself. you have no idea if any AC is obsessed with your posts, that is why they are ACs genius. I do know though that you have been told, 2 different times, by 2 different forum Mods, that just b/c you disagree with a post does not mean the poster is a shill.

I cited my material, your Egyptian minion did not. No sited source, no credibility.

It's not your thread zod. You, like everyone else are here b/c glp allows to be here.
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Don't be butthurted. I am here, mainly in this thread, long and often enough to know who posted what. Even if it is AC. If AC called me Ali Baba I know exactly who he is. Of course I am not here to banning anything or anyone. I just said to my friend that those poor beings not worth the attention imo. And I don't remember that I talked to you at all...
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Your past doesn't concern me. Calling me a shill does, especially when my posts meet the rules of the thread, of this site. You think you know, but you don't, unless your tampering with glp software.
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You got these numbers from the Economist you say? They're wrong! As of yesterday the balance is 428bn.
 Quoting: Bes Maat

Nope, not wrong.Different does not mean wrong. Their several different ways to calculate nation's reserves, just there are different ways of calculating unemployment, GDP, etc. It depends on the economist. Different disciplines, different preferences. I agree with the Economist and their 370bn number. the critical point being, Russia is hemorrhaging cash and fast.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 42232165


I would agree with the actual number of the Russian Central bank...the rest is, just like the Ruble collapse or Putin's bad health, just propaganda! Facts will remain in the end. No matter what mathematical circus acts the West is going to do.
 Quoting: Bes Maat


People like you also believed the Soviet Union would never collapse, their economy tanked hard, kinda the same as the Russian economy of today, then POOF, bye bye Soviet Union. There will be a Russian economic collapse followed by uprising when the average Russian realizes Putin doesn't care about their well being and is unable to dig them out of a large ditch he created with his lies, aggression and dreams of a reborn Soviet Union.
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Yep, Russian economic crash could happen, more of a possibility than I ever dreamed. Last collapse was 2008. In 2008 Russian capital flight totaled 133bn usd. In 2014, latest projections include 130bn usd. Pretty incredible.
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He is shill, obssessed with number of my posts per day. There is no reason to pay attention to him. I am totally bored with those poor Obongos/NATO/NWO servants.

yawn
 Quoting: KneelB4Zod!

Don't flatter yourself. you have no idea if any AC is obsessed with your posts, that is why they are ACs genius. I do know though that you have been told, 2 different times, by 2 different forum Mods, that just b/c you disagree with a post does not mean the poster is a shill.

I cited my material, your Egyptian minion did not. No sited source, no credibility.

It's not your thread zod. You, like everyone else are here b/c glp allows to be here.
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Don't be butthurted. I am here, mainly in this thread, long and often enough to know who posted what. Even if it is AC. If AC called me Ali Baba I know exactly who he is. Of course I am not here to banning anything or anyone. I just said to my friend that those poor beings not worth the attention imo. And I don't remember that I talked to you at all...
 Quoting: KneelB4Zod!

Your past doesn't concern me. Calling me a shill does, especially when my posts meet the rules of the thread, of this site. You think you know, but you don't, unless your tampering with glp software.
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I would agree with the actual number of the Russian Central bank...the rest is, just like the Ruble collapse or Putin's bad health, just propaganda! Facts will remain in the end. No matter what mathematical circus acts the West is going to do.
 Quoting: Bes Maat


People like you also believed the Soviet Union would never collapse, their economy tanked hard, kinda the same as the Russian economy of today, then POOF, bye bye Soviet Union. There will be a Russian economic collapse followed by uprising when the average Russian realizes Putin doesn't care about their well being and is unable to dig them out of a large ditch he created with his lies, aggression and dreams of a reborn Soviet Union.
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All this will remain nothing but a pipe dream. Keep on dreaming...with your pipe.
 Quoting: Bes Maat


Lol some people never learn. Have fun being in denial while watching Russia collapse. If the once mighty and very powerful Soviet Union was brought to its knees, you can bet a much weaker, modern Russia would be much easier to bring to it's knees.
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roflmao

and we'll see soon enough

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Why?

The Japanese are trying to do everything to devalue their currency and this is considered a good thing.

Russia's ruble devaluation is viewed as negative.

Can not be both true.
 Quoting: good is bad is gee 65414126

They are both different. One is managed, one is freefall, collapse, etc. Russians have capped currency intervention at 350mn usd, compared with their initial 1-3bn usd per day in October. Devaluation is good for domestic markets. Russian domestic consumption numbers, ceteris paribus, average.
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Girkin says he and his special ops team started conflict in Donbas

Russian citizen Igor Girkin has claimed he and his team started the war in the Donbas.

Igor Girkin, the one-time “defense minister” of the self-proclaimed Donetsk People’s Republic, has said that he and his squad of Russian special services soldiers started the war in east Ukraine.

He made the claim in an interview published on Thursday in the Russian right-wing newspaper Zavtra, UNIAN reports.

"It was me who pulled the trigger of war,” Girkin said.

“If our squad had not crossed the border, everything would have come to an end, like in Kharkiv, like in Odesa,” Girkin said, referring to failed attempts earlier in the year to overthrow the local authorities in these cities.

“There would have been a few dozen killed, burnt, arrested - and that would have been it. But this flywheel war, which is still going on, was started by our group," he said.

He also said that he was not from the military, but from the "secret services," and confirmed that Russian regular army units are involved in the war.

Earlier Girkin said that in the beginning of April, he had crossed the Russian-Ukrainian border with a group of 52 people. The seizure of Ukrainian local government buildings, police stations and security service offices by “separatists” in eastern Ukraine started in mid April this year.

According to the UN, more than four thousand people have been killed in the fighting that has erupted in eastern Ukraine. The organization has also said that the actual number of victims of the war could be much higher.

[link to www.charter97.org]
 Quoting: Tpotleoz


Thats an obvious misrepresentation of Strelkovs words and the meaning of his statements. Not the first time ukrainian morons do that.

Here is his original interview:
[link to zavtra.ru]
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There is no misrepresentation. He clearly says those words quoted.

From interview in your article:

'But the trigger for war still me. If our unit did not cross the border, in the end everything would come to an end, as in Kharkov, in Odessa. It would be several dozen killed, burnt arrested. And it would have been over. A war that still goes on, run by our squad. We mixed all the cards on the table. All of them! And from the very beginning, we began to fight in earnest: to destroy the subversive groups "pravosekov." And I am personally responsible for what is happening there. For the fact that so far raked Donetsk - I'm responsible. For the fact that we left Slavyansk, of course, I am responsible. And because it is not released, I too am responsible.'

Looks pretty clear to me.
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Why?

The Japanese are trying to do everything to devalue their currency and this is considered a good thing.

Russia's ruble devaluation is viewed as negative.

Can not be both true.
 Quoting: good is bad is gee 65414126


Actually, a small inflation is healthy for economy, because it stimulates it's grownth.
Too fast inflation makes business too risky to even try anything. Deflation basicly means that you have no reason to do anything at all.
Well, it's oversimplication, but something like that.

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Michael Leontyev, Russian journalist and vice-president of the oil corporation "Rosneft" thinks that Russia should threaten to the West with nuclear weapons in response to the financial blockage:

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Yet again...
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And this part is out of context. If I remember right, before that they discussed that US is violating it's own laws. For example - the rules of WTO. Yuriev's (one to the left suggesting to do the threats) previous sentense was something like "In the middle of chess game partner stands up and declares that he is playing bowling from now on."
The whole meaning was "If another side is breaking the rules, we should not be ashamed to do the same."

Oh, also... Yuriev's business is in Texas. Shale gas, LNG and so on. [link to www.bloomberg.com]

 Quoting: Tamonten


Actually I remembered wrong. Mixed up with another similiar discussion.
But I've translated this part of the talk.
Here:


There are english subtitles, which may be not switched on by default.
"When every one is dead the Great Game is finished. Not before." - Rudyard Kipling, "Kim" (1901)
"But we are still alive." - Thread: "The Great Game" by Mikhail Leontyev (2007-2008)

"Life before death, strength before weakness, journey before destination." - Brandon Sanderson, "The Way of Kings"
"Russia is the great Christian country with rich Islamic history" - Vladimir Solovyov (Russian Jew)
Quos Iupiter perdere vult, dementat.
"Europe can wait while the Russian tsar fishes." - Alexander III The Peacemaker

Thread: I'm Russian – ask me a question. Be it about Russia or a personal one.
Thread: From Rus' to Russia - grand concert on the Red Square, June 12th 2015 - please help with translation!

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Why?

The Japanese are trying to do everything to devalue their currency and this is considered a good thing.

Russia's ruble devaluation is viewed as negative.

Can not be both true.
 Quoting: good is bad is gee 65414126


Actually, a small inflation is healthy for economy, because it stimulates it's grownth.
Too fast inflation makes business to risky to even try anything. Deflation basicly means that you have no reason to do anything at all.
Well, it's oversimplication, but something like that.
 Quoting: Tamonten


As oil is sold in US dollars Russia must be getting more in Rubles than before. Doesn't help with purchasing foreign goods and services though.

Japanese devaluation is forcing up other currencies like the AU Dollar.
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Girkin says he and his special ops team started conflict in Donbas

Russian citizen Igor Girkin has claimed he and his team started the war in the Donbas.

Igor Girkin, the one-time “defense minister” of the self-proclaimed Donetsk People’s Republic, has said that he and his squad of Russian special services soldiers started the war in east Ukraine.

He made the claim in an interview published on Thursday in the Russian right-wing newspaper Zavtra, UNIAN reports.

"It was me who pulled the trigger of war,” Girkin said.

“If our squad had not crossed the border, everything would have come to an end, like in Kharkiv, like in Odesa,” Girkin said, referring to failed attempts earlier in the year to overthrow the local authorities in these cities.

“There would have been a few dozen killed, burnt, arrested - and that would have been it. But this flywheel war, which is still going on, was started by our group," he said.

He also said that he was not from the military, but from the "secret services," and confirmed that Russian regular army units are involved in the war.

Earlier Girkin said that in the beginning of April, he had crossed the Russian-Ukrainian border with a group of 52 people. The seizure of Ukrainian local government buildings, police stations and security service offices by “separatists” in eastern Ukraine started in mid April this year.

According to the UN, more than four thousand people have been killed in the fighting that has erupted in eastern Ukraine. The organization has also said that the actual number of victims of the war could be much higher.

[link to www.charter97.org]
 Quoting: Tpotleoz


Thats an obvious misrepresentation of Strelkovs words and the meaning of his statements. Not the first time ukrainian morons do that.

Here is his original interview:
[link to zavtra.ru]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 62247396


There is no misrepresentation. He clearly says those words quoted.

From interview in your article:

'But the trigger for war still me. If our unit did not cross the border, in the end everything would come to an end, as in Kharkov, in Odessa. It would be several dozen killed, burnt arrested. And it would have been over. A war that still goes on, run by our squad. We mixed all the cards on the table. All of them! And from the very beginning, we began to fight in earnest: to destroy the subversive groups "pravosekov." And I am personally responsible for what is happening there. For the fact that so far raked Donetsk - I'm responsible. For the fact that we left Slavyansk, of course, I am responsible. And because it is not released, I too am responsible.'

Looks pretty clear to me.
 Quoting: Tpotleoz


Imo he say that "If we did not start the fight extremists will took over Donetsk (and Luhansk) as Kharkiv and Odessa. They will kill civilians as in Odessa and Kharkiv and their opression will rule the are. Without response they will humiliate local people. We changed their plans, mixed cards and changed the game." This is how I understand his words. He talks only about military part of uprising. But rebelion started much more earlier than Strelkov aperas there. I remember very well that in the same time when first self defense forces appeard in Crimea Donets, Luhansk, Kharkiv and some others regions (their representatives) refused to obey new post-coup "government". It was in the first weeks and I watcheid it on-line whole time. But there was not many reports about that because all MSM and other sources reported mainly from Crimea.
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"This is not a new world, it is simply an extension of what began in the old one. It has patterned itself after every dictator who has ever planted the ripping imprint of a boot on the pages of history since the beginning of time. It has refinements, technological advances, and a more sophisticated approach to the destruction of human freedom. But like every one of the super-states that preceded it, it has one iron rule: logic is an enemy and truth is a menace." - "The Obsolete Man" - The Twilight Zone, 1961
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Girkin says he and his special ops team started conflict in Donbas

Russian citizen Igor Girkin has claimed he and his team started the war in the Donbas.

Igor Girkin, the one-time “defense minister” of the self-proclaimed Donetsk People’s Republic, has said that he and his squad of Russian special services soldiers started the war in east Ukraine.

He made the claim in an interview published on Thursday in the Russian right-wing newspaper Zavtra, UNIAN reports.

"It was me who pulled the trigger of war,” Girkin said.

“If our squad had not crossed the border, everything would have come to an end, like in Kharkiv, like in Odesa,” Girkin said, referring to failed attempts earlier in the year to overthrow the local authorities in these cities.

“There would have been a few dozen killed, burnt, arrested - and that would have been it. But this flywheel war, which is still going on, was started by our group," he said.

He also said that he was not from the military, but from the "secret services," and confirmed that Russian regular army units are involved in the war.

Earlier Girkin said that in the beginning of April, he had crossed the Russian-Ukrainian border with a group of 52 people. The seizure of Ukrainian local government buildings, police stations and security service offices by “separatists” in eastern Ukraine started in mid April this year.

According to the UN, more than four thousand people have been killed in the fighting that has erupted in eastern Ukraine. The organization has also said that the actual number of victims of the war could be much higher.

[link to www.charter97.org]
 Quoting: Tpotleoz


Thats an obvious misrepresentation of Strelkovs words and the meaning of his statements. Not the first time ukrainian morons do that.

Here is his original interview:
[link to zavtra.ru]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 62247396


There is no misrepresentation. He clearly says those words quoted.

From interview in your article:

'But the trigger for war still me. If our unit did not cross the border, in the end everything would come to an end, as in Kharkov, in Odessa. It would be several dozen killed, burnt arrested. And it would have been over. A war that still goes on, run by our squad. We mixed all the cards on the table. All of them! And from the very beginning, we began to fight in earnest: to destroy the subversive groups "pravosekov." And I am personally responsible for what is happening there. For the fact that so far raked Donetsk - I'm responsible. For the fact that we left Slavyansk, of course, I am responsible. And because it is not released, I too am responsible.'

Looks pretty clear to me.
 Quoting: Tpotleoz


Imo he say that "If we did not start the fight extremists will took over Donetsk (and Luhansk) as Kharkiv and Odessa. They will kill civilians as in Odessa and Kharkiv and their opression will rule the are. Without response they will humiliate local people. We changed their plans, mixed cards and changed the game." This is how I understand his words. He talks only about military part of uprising. But rebelion started much more earlier than Strelkov aperas there. I remember very well that in the same time when first self defense forces appeard in Crimea Donets, Luhansk, Kharkiv and some others regions (their representatives) refused to obey new post-coup "government". It was in the first weeks and I watcheid it on-line whole time. But there was not many reports about that because all MSM and other sources reported mainly from Crimea.
 Quoting: KneelB4Zod!


He is talking specifically about the trigger for war and what changed it from being a small uprising doomed to fail into a civil war. He says he made the difference. I agree with Strelkov on this one.
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Girkin says he and his special ops team started conflict in Donbas

Russian citizen Igor Girkin has claimed he and his team started the war in the Donbas.

Igor Girkin, the one-time “defense minister” of the self-proclaimed Donetsk People’s Republic, has said that he and his squad of Russian special services soldiers started the war in east Ukraine.

He made the claim in an interview published on Thursday in the Russian right-wing newspaper Zavtra, UNIAN reports.

"It was me who pulled the trigger of war,” Girkin said.

“If our squad had not crossed the border, everything would have come to an end, like in Kharkiv, like in Odesa,” Girkin said, referring to failed attempts earlier in the year to overthrow the local authorities in these cities.

“There would have been a few dozen killed, burnt, arrested - and that would have been it. But this flywheel war, which is still going on, was started by our group," he said.

He also said that he was not from the military, but from the "secret services," and confirmed that Russian regular army units are involved in the war.

Earlier Girkin said that in the beginning of April, he had crossed the Russian-Ukrainian border with a group of 52 people. The seizure of Ukrainian local government buildings, police stations and security service offices by “separatists” in eastern Ukraine started in mid April this year.

According to the UN, more than four thousand people have been killed in the fighting that has erupted in eastern Ukraine. The organization has also said that the actual number of victims of the war could be much higher.

[link to www.charter97.org]
 Quoting: Tpotleoz


Thats an obvious misrepresentation of Strelkovs words and the meaning of his statements. Not the first time ukrainian morons do that.

Here is his original interview:
[link to zavtra.ru]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 62247396


There is no misrepresentation. He clearly says those words quoted.

From interview in your article:

'But the trigger for war still me. If our unit did not cross the border, in the end everything would come to an end, as in Kharkov, in Odessa. It would be several dozen killed, burnt arrested. And it would have been over. A war that still goes on, run by our squad. We mixed all the cards on the table. All of them! And from the very beginning, we began to fight in earnest: to destroy the subversive groups "pravosekov." And I am personally responsible for what is happening there. For the fact that so far raked Donetsk - I'm responsible. For the fact that we left Slavyansk, of course, I am responsible. And because it is not released, I too am responsible.'

Looks pretty clear to me.
 Quoting: Tpotleoz


Yeah, sure. Quoted parts are the direct quotation.
But the rest - which I underlined here - is distorted with POW of article's author.
I've read this interview on Russian some time ago. And I do not remember this things there:
"squad of Russian special services soldiers"
"confirmed that Russian regular army units are involved in the war"

The rest is clear manipulation by omitting the facts or mixing totally different ones together. This part for example:
"Earlier Girkin said that in the beginning of April, he had crossed the Russian-Ukrainian border with a group of 52 people. The seizure of Ukrainian local government buildings, police stations and security service offices by “separatists” in eastern Ukraine started in mid April this year."
First sentense have no connection to another one. But by clamping them together such connection is created.
Strelkov has clearly stated that his squad went directly to Slavyansk from the border. Actually, the seizure of buildings began in Kharkov, Lugansk and Donetsk long before he left Crimea.

So - this article is just another propaganda example.

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Thats an obvious misrepresentation of Strelkovs words and the meaning of his statements. Not the first time ukrainian morons do that.

Here is his original interview:
[link to zavtra.ru]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 62247396


There is no misrepresentation. He clearly says those words quoted.

From interview in your article:

'But the trigger for war still me. If our unit did not cross the border, in the end everything would come to an end, as in Kharkov, in Odessa. It would be several dozen killed, burnt arrested. And it would have been over. A war that still goes on, run by our squad. We mixed all the cards on the table. All of them! And from the very beginning, we began to fight in earnest: to destroy the subversive groups "pravosekov." And I am personally responsible for what is happening there. For the fact that so far raked Donetsk - I'm responsible. For the fact that we left Slavyansk, of course, I am responsible. And because it is not released, I too am responsible.'

Looks pretty clear to me.
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Imo he say that "If we did not start the fight extremists will took over Donetsk (and Luhansk) as Kharkiv and Odessa. They will kill civilians as in Odessa and Kharkiv and their opression will rule the are. Without response they will humiliate local people. We changed their plans, mixed cards and changed the game." This is how I understand his words. He talks only about military part of uprising. But rebelion started much more earlier than Strelkov aperas there. I remember very well that in the same time when first self defense forces appeard in Crimea Donets, Luhansk, Kharkiv and some others regions (their representatives) refused to obey new post-coup "government". It was in the first weeks and I watcheid it on-line whole time. But there was not many reports about that because all MSM and other sources reported mainly from Crimea.
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He is talking specifically about the trigger for war and what changed it from being a small uprising doomed to fail into a civil war. He says he made the difference. I agree with Strelkov on this one.
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Yep, correct. But there is nothing wrong in this statement from my point of view. He claims that he started active phase of defense of the area. But, on other hand, it means another thing if you accept this part of his statement - it really started as local/volunteer rebelion...

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Girkin says he and his special ops team started conflict in Donbas

Russian citizen Igor Girkin has claimed he and his team started the war in the Donbas.

Igor Girkin, the one-time “defense minister” of the self-proclaimed Donetsk People’s Republic, has said that he and his squad of Russian special services soldiers started the war in east Ukraine.

He made the claim in an interview published on Thursday in the Russian right-wing newspaper Zavtra, UNIAN reports.

"It was me who pulled the trigger of war,” Girkin said.

“If our squad had not crossed the border, everything would have come to an end, like in Kharkiv, like in Odesa,” Girkin said, referring to failed attempts earlier in the year to overthrow the local authorities in these cities.

“There would have been a few dozen killed, burnt, arrested - and that would have been it. But this flywheel war, which is still going on, was started by our group," he said.

He also said that he was not from the military, but from the "secret services," and confirmed that Russian regular army units are involved in the war.

Earlier Girkin said that in the beginning of April, he had crossed the Russian-Ukrainian border with a group of 52 people. The seizure of Ukrainian local government buildings, police stations and security service offices by “separatists” in eastern Ukraine started in mid April this year.

According to the UN, more than four thousand people have been killed in the fighting that has erupted in eastern Ukraine. The organization has also said that the actual number of victims of the war could be much higher.

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Thats an obvious misrepresentation of Strelkovs words and the meaning of his statements. Not the first time ukrainian morons do that.

Here is his original interview:
[link to zavtra.ru]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 62247396


There is no misrepresentation. He clearly says those words quoted.

From interview in your article:

'But the trigger for war still me. If our unit did not cross the border, in the end everything would come to an end, as in Kharkov, in Odessa. It would be several dozen killed, burnt arrested. And it would have been over. A war that still goes on, run by our squad. We mixed all the cards on the table. All of them! And from the very beginning, we began to fight in earnest: to destroy the subversive groups "pravosekov." And I am personally responsible for what is happening there. For the fact that so far raked Donetsk - I'm responsible. For the fact that we left Slavyansk, of course, I am responsible. And because it is not released, I too am responsible.'

Looks pretty clear to me.
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Yeah, sure. Quoted parts are the direct quotation.
But the rest - which I underlined here - is distorted with POW of article's author.
I've read this interview on Russian some time ago. And I do not remember this things there:
"squad of Russian special services soldiers"
"confirmed that Russian regular army units are involved in the war"

The rest is clear manipulation by omitting the facts or mixing totally different ones together. This part for example:
"Earlier Girkin said that in the beginning of April, he had crossed the Russian-Ukrainian border with a group of 52 people. The seizure of Ukrainian local government buildings, police stations and security service offices by “separatists” in eastern Ukraine started in mid April this year."
First sentense have no connection to another one. But by clamping them together such connection is created.
Strelkov has clearly stated that his squad went directly to Slavyansk from the border. Actually, the seizure of buildings began in Kharkov, Lugansk and Donetsk long before he left Crimea.

So - this article is just another propaganda example.
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Exactly what I said. Local governments refused to obey post-coup "government" and after that seizing of buildings started. Donetsk and Luhansk was the most active thats correct. I remember very well first seized military garrisons in the area...
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Moving M-31s to Ukie border, S-400s to borderlands of Finland, hmmm. Putin's answer for everything is military escalation, intimidation, bullying.

Putin does this all for what reasons? Two bombed-out, unlivable oblasts? What exactly has Putin gained in these oblasts?
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You are thinking like a rational person. Putin is not rational.
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which is why as bad as NATO is, Russia seems more a partner in the big scheme of things rather than opposition. Execute three militia guys, get an nuke fuel deal thrown in!! I am you used war salesman and I see no problem letting war get in the way of business. A few civy deaths?
A little chocolate and nuke fuel should make everything better! Russia should help out Ukraine, you bethcha. But wait, China has loaned the US over a trillion and China is Russia's buddy!
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Ukrainian nuclear power stations are constructed to work with Russian fuel. If Russia does not sell the fuel, Ukrainians will buy USA-made one, which is dangerous as an experiment several years ago demonstrated.
Not to mention that it's against Russia's principles to wage a war against common people. Unlike Ukraine for example...
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Russia is already waging an economic war against the common people of Poland.

Why is Poland paying the highest natural gas prices in Europe (and the world?) for the Russian gas?

That does not count?

Even Ukraine is paying much lower prices, and so is the much more wealthy Germany.

Why are you falsely claiming that the ethnic Ukrainians from Poland who fight against the New Russia are "Poles"? I think you can know better than that.

And the retarded historical propaganda movies and holidays, oh yes, in 1612 the Belarussians were also there but now their participation does not count, while that of Poles still does.

So was Putin recruited by the Germans or not?
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Wait-wait-wait...
Did someone force Poland to sign a contract with this prices or something? Blackmailed maybe?
It's a free market. The same with the prices for Ukraine and all other countries.

And about the "National Unity Day" - this holiday was first established in 1613 and was named "Day of Moscow’s Liberation from Polish Invaders" and was celebrated until 1917, yeah.
Yeah, the occupying side was "Polish–Lithuanian Commonwealth" which icluded Grand Duchy of Lithuania (which was closer to current Belorussia than the current Lithuania, yeah). But it was under the rule of Polish monarchy and the Commonwealth is called "Poland" in Russia still.
We call the war of 1812 "Franco-Russian" - and know that the bulk of Napoleon's army was not French. And a considerable part of Hitler's army was not German.

And, finally: if you hear (either on official or private level) that someone in Russia have a grudge agains Poland for 1612, France for 1812 or German for 1941 - it does not mean that they have a grudge against Poles, French or Germans. As one satiric have said "do not be offended, individually you are all decent people, but when all together - it's a nightmare".
Trust me, Russians have many questions towards our government. But we still prefer it to any external one - however perfect it may seem. I think, people from ex-WarPac countries should understand that thought. Not mentioning that we already had totally "external" government in 90s.
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It was actually the Belarussian-Lithuanian-Polish Commonwealth.

The "Lithuania" back then was more of a Belarussian state than a Lithuanian one, its real name was the Grand Duchy of the Litva, Samogatia, and the Rus.


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A bit confusing, is it not?
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The Ukrainian army fires the 2S7 Pion vs. Russian positions.


These are big mothers....
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Its the world's largest artillery currently in operation.

It also has a very long range - 40 km.

This long range combined with the new counter-mortar radars will be highly effective at removing the armed Kremlin terrorist thugs from existence, and prevent them from effectively using their artillery, mortars and MLRS.
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These are big mothers....
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Its the world's largest artillery currently in operation.

It also has a very long range - 40 km.

This long range combined with the new counter-mortar radars will be highly effective at removing the armed Kremlin terrorist thugs from existence, and prevent them from effectively using their artillery, mortars and MLRS.
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You forgot to sign as V. Putin as in previous post. And yes, this video is old, from summer (according green grass and trees) and it is from...only God knows from where...
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DONETSK, November 23. /TASS/. A train carrying, wreckage of Boeing-777, which crashed near Donetsk, heads for Kharkov, TASS correspondent reported from the site on Sunday.

A train of twelve cargo carriages, which were sealed by the Dutch specialists, and one passenger carriage left the Pelageyevka village.

OSCE observers and Dutch investigators will be on the train. The Donetsk Republic’s police will escort the train to the Yasinovataya Station.

As the train arrives in Kharkov, the wreckage will be shipped further to the Netherlands.
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Those are actually gigantic sausages on wheels, donated to the Donbass from Germany.
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Where the hell is the thread for rational people opposed to Putler? I'm startin to feel like the Crimean Tatars over here. I might call Turkey and request an invasion, I mean referendum.
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pentagon couldn't find their ass with both hands...you and the phrat boys are wrong about the mig 31 weapons/radar ability's...you don't send in a 30 year old cow to dog fight
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Ye-e-e! Samples PLS! An old ox makes a straight furrow!
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mig 31 was designed in the late 70's to shoot down the blackbird spy plane and b52's and their fighter escorts at long range...retooling recently for air to ground mission using Kh-31P (AS-17 'Krypton') and Kh-58 (AS-11 'Kilter') anti-radiation missiles in the suppression of enemy air defenses is now why it's on the ukraine border...the ability to communicate with multiple systems make it a step above any thing the west has for an old cow...
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Shoot down the Blackbird? M-31, designed to shoot down the blackbird? Are you out yo muthr fuckin mind.

I can hard wait for those 31's to engage Ukies S-300s. How did Russian airpower fare in Georgia? Chechnya? S.Ossetia?

guess your illiterate and can't do your own research on the development of the mig 31...oh, the s-300 and mig 31 are designed to communicate with each other...now who's out of their mind

In fact nobody really discusses all the war crimes Putin and Russia committed in Chechnya do they? It's time I start.

Yeltsin, told Putin to handle the Chechens in 1999. In October 1999, civilian Chechen open air markets and a hospital was cluster bombed. Of course, PM Putin directing the 'new' air campaign in Chechnya had no idea it happened. Never-the-less, 50 innocent people were massacred, including children and women. Over 100 were severely injured. Go ahead Putinbots, challenged that it never happened in the village of Elistanzhi.
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pentagon couldn't find their ass with both hands...you and the phrat boys are wrong about the mig 31 weapons/radar ability's...you don't send in a 30 year old cow to dog fight
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Ye-e-e! Samples PLS! An old ox makes a straight furrow!
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mig 31 was designed in the late 70's to shoot down the blackbird spy plane and b52's and their fighter escorts at long range...retooling recently for air to ground mission using Kh-31P (AS-17 'Krypton') and Kh-58 (AS-11 'Kilter') anti-radiation missiles in the suppression of enemy air defenses is now why it's on the ukraine border...the ability to communicate with multiple systems make it a step above any thing the west has for an old cow...
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 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 48803714

Shoot down the Blackbird? M-31, designed to shoot down the blackbird? Are you out yo muthr fuckin mind.

I can hard wait for those 31's to engage Ukies S-300s. How did Russian airpower fare in Georgia? Chechnya? S.Ossetia?

In fact nobody really discusses all the war crimes Putin and Russia committed in Chechnya do they? It's time I start.

Yeltsin, told Putin to handle the Chechens in 1999. In October 1999, civilian Chechen open air markets and a hospital was cluster bombed. Of course, PM Putin directing the 'new' air campaign in Chechnya had no idea it happened. Never-the-less, 50 innocent people were massacred, including children and women. Over 100 were severely injured. Go ahead Putinbots, challenged that it never happened in the village of Elistanzhi.
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guess your illiterate and can't do your own research on the development of the mig 31...oh, the s-300 and mig 31 are designed to communicate with each other...now who's out of their mind
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mig 31 was designed in the late 70's to shoot down the blackbird spy plane and b52's and their fighter escorts at long range...retooling recently for air to ground mission using Kh-31P (AS-17 'Krypton') and Kh-58 (AS-11 'Kilter') anti-radiation missiles in the suppression of enemy air defenses is now why it's on the ukraine border...the ability to communicate with multiple systems make it a step above any thing the west has for an old cow...
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Shoot down the Blackbird? M-31, designed to shoot down the blackbird? Are you out yo muthr fuckin mind.

I can hard wait for those 31's to engage Ukies S-300s. How did Russian airpower fare in Georgia? Chechnya? S.Ossetia?

In fact nobody really discusses all the war crimes Putin and Russia committed in Chechnya do they? It's time I start.

Yeltsin, told Putin to handle the Chechens in 1999. In October 1999, civilian Chechen open air markets and a hospital was cluster bombed. Of course, PM Putin directing the 'new' air campaign in Chechnya had no idea it happened. Never-the-less, 50 innocent people were massacred, including children and women. Over 100 were severely injured. Go ahead Putinbots, challenged that it never happened in the village of Elistanzhi.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 19857717


guess your illiterate and can't do your own research on the development of the mig 31...oh, the s-300 and mig 31 are designed to communicate with each other...now who's out of their mind
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 48803714

31 and S-300 are designed to communicate with another, and?
The post claims 31 was designed to shoot down sr-71, this is what I addressed. The 'out your mind' comment is b/c the aviation community agrees that the Blackbird, for the last 40 years, is the most advanced sophiscated jet aircraft ever assembled.

The Sr-71 over 40+ years has been engaged by hostile forces almost 4,000 times. Not a single Blackbird was ever lost, or failed to complete it's mission.

And DARPA has completed the design stage for the SR-72.





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