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Anonymous Coward User ID: 56397876 Ukraine 04/05/2014 04:29 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 Because Sun Dancer has torn it apart several times already, but the poster still reposts it lol it's comical to watch Quoting: Anonymous Coward 55875488 False. There is nothing to tear apart. Excellent videos plainly showing the Berkut shooters on Feb 20th: 1) First, as they are shooting from the high ground of October Palace [link to www.youtube.com] 2) The killers retreating from October Palace to Instytutska street(shooting from both locations): [link to www.youtube.com] (from 1:30 on you can see the police behind the barricade shooting) and [link to www.youtube.com (secure)] and 3) probably most importantly, the killers having moved to the concrete barriers on Instytutska street then shoot many many more of the protestors from there, from a safe location - [link to www.youtube.com (secure)] I believe there were 86 officers with gun shot wounds and 11 deaths. Were they firing upon their colleagues? |
< DL > User ID: 49296592 United States 04/05/2014 04:30 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 loggol says moi troops increased rediness nowhere has this ben confirmed just loggol spouting more bullshit Quoting: Anonymous Coward 53518028 Does loggol actually get paid to do this crap There are also reports that troops of the Russian Ministry of Internal Affairs attached to the Central Regional Command of Internal Troops have been ordered to increase their readiness. This is a worrying sign, as the war-time task of troops of the Ministry of Internal Affairs is to pacify populations in occupied territory. The raised readiness of Russian Ministry of Internal Affairs troops could therefore indicate the Kremlin’s preparations to actually invade Ukraine – and to take measures to establish and maintain control of the occupied Ukrainian territories. [link to www.rusi.org (secure)] |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 55875488 United States 04/05/2014 04:33 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 Because Sun Dancer has torn it apart several times already, but the poster still reposts it lol it's comical to watch Quoting: Anonymous Coward 55875488 False. There is nothing to tear apart. Please return to page 2187 of this forum, your last attempt at exploiting these videos, and try again |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 56469203 United States 04/05/2014 04:33 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 Sun will you go on the record and say no troops will enter Ukraine over the next few weeks/months? Quoting: < DL > That would be foolish of me since Russia has frequently stated they are prepared to go in to protect Russians, sometimes using the phrase "massacre" but not always. For example, if Ukraine and Moldova blockade Transnistria, or Ukraine shuts off utilities to Crimea, or Ukraine tries to prevent by force the people of southeastern Ukraine voting to re-unite with Russia, I am not confident in predicting how Russia would react. There could be other provocations by Ukraine, some elements of Ukrainian society, by NATO, etc. which could change the calculus. Certainly I expect them to enter Crimea, not sure if you consider that Ukraine or Russia. But I don't see Russia launching an unprovoked invasion to seize all of Ukraine, nope. Do you really consider Ukraine not allowing a referendum to join Russia in the east to be sufficient provocation for an invasion? The aren't allowing it now so by that logic Russia could go into Ukraine at any time. Of course you want to ridicule any claims Russia is in hair trigger status but it doesn't make sense to do that given the number of things you consider an adequate pretext. If all of those things are sufficient triggers then it wouldn't make sense for Russia not to be ready to go in on short notice. Exactly what western sources are saying they are observing. I am no expert but it makes no sense to dismiss those reports based on your own answer. |
Sun_dancer User ID: 48671548 United States 04/05/2014 04:34 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 Because Sun Dancer has torn it apart several times already, but the poster still reposts it lol it's comical to watch Quoting: Anonymous Coward 55875488 False. There is nothing to tear apart. You have made this post 4 times previously in last 3-4 days: Thread: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 (Page 2200) Thread: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 (Page 2189) Thread: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 (Page 2171) Thread: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 (Page 2170) I responded twice: Thread: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 (Page 2172) Thread: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 (Page 2171) To each response you said nothing, but just repost the same manipulative videos with incorrect descriptions no less. Last Edited by Sun_dancer on 04/05/2014 04:35 PM Sun_dancer |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 5383047 United States 04/05/2014 04:35 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 I believe there were 86 officers with gun shot wounds and 11 deaths. Were they firing upon their colleagues? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 56397876 No, unfortunately some of the maidaners had guns that morning also[very stupid]. They had at least 2 double barrel 12 guage shotguns and 2 scoped air rifles. For this reason, the Berkut could legitimately try for a defense of justifiable use of deadly force. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 25231436 United States 04/05/2014 04:36 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 If Gazprom cuts the gas to all EU, that will be the start of a major trade/resource war. The only ones who will definitely win are the Oil Sheikhs in the Gulf. The oil will probably surpass 200$/barrel. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 54888721 Except that nobody will sell oil for dollars any more. You will need rubles or yuan - or gold. Nobody will accept worthless U.S. dollars as payment for anything. |
< DL > User ID: 49296592 United States 04/05/2014 04:36 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 Sun will you go on the record and say no troops will enter Ukraine over the next few weeks/months? Quoting: < DL > That would be foolish of me since Russia has frequently stated they are prepared to go in to protect Russians, sometimes using the phrase "massacre" but not always. For example, if Ukraine and Moldova blockade Transnistria, or Ukraine shuts off utilities to Crimea, or Ukraine tries to prevent by force the people of southeastern Ukraine voting to re-unite with Russia, I am not confident in predicting how Russia would react. There could be other provocations by Ukraine, some elements of Ukrainian society, by NATO, etc. which could change the calculus. Certainly I expect them to enter Crimea, not sure if you consider that Ukraine or Russia. But I don't see Russia launching an unprovoked invasion to seize all of Ukraine, nope. Do you really consider Ukraine not allowing a referendum to join Russia in the east to be sufficient provocation for an invasion? The aren't allowing it now so by that logic Russia could go into Ukraine at any time. Of course you want to ridicule any claims Russia is in hair trigger status but it doesn't make sense to do that given the number of things you consider an adequate pretext. If all of those things are sufficient triggers then it wouldn't make sense for Russia not to be ready to go in on short notice. Exactly what western sources are saying they are observing. I am no expert but it makes no sense to dismiss those reports based on your own answer. This is exactly what I was going to say. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 56439487 Bulgaria 04/05/2014 04:40 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 loggol says moi troops increased rediness nowhere has this ben confirmed just loggol spouting more bullshit Quoting: Anonymous Coward 53518028 Does loggol actually get paid to do this crap There are also reports that troops of the Russian Ministry of Internal Affairs attached to the Central Regional Command of Internal Troops have been ordered to increase their readiness. This is a worrying sign, as the war-time task of troops of the Ministry of Internal Affairs is to pacify populations in occupied territory. The raised readiness of Russian Ministry of Internal Affairs troops could therefore indicate the Kremlin’s preparations to actually invade Ukraine – and to take measures to establish and maintain control of the occupied Ukrainian territories. [link to www.rusi.org (secure)] why would Ukraine post their military positions on a pdf? not so smart if they really think invasion is imminent |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 56470551 Croatia 04/05/2014 04:44 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 Ukraine ready to buy Russian gas for USD 268 per 1,000 cm Quoting: Anonymous Coward 56397876 Economy April 05, 23:07 UTC+4 KIEV, April 05, 21:49 /ITAR-TASS/. Ukraine is ready to buy Russian natural gas at a price of 268 U.S. dollars per 1,000 cubic metres, parliament-appointed Prime Minister Arseny Yatsenyuk said on Saturday, April 5. He said Ukraine “does not accept” Russia’s decision to raise the price of gas from April 1 and regards it as “political pressure”. “Political pressure will not pass. We do not accept the price of 500 U.S. dollars. Ukraine is ready to continue buying natural gas at the price that was in effect since the beginning of the year - 268 U.S. dollars. This is an acceptable and balanced price,” Yatsenyuk said. He reiterated Kiev’s readiness to “make all payments for the previous gas supplies” and was waiting for Russia’s reply. [link to en.itar-tass.com] Since when does the person not paying their creditors/suppliers get to dictate their pricing options? It's called "bargaining". Do you buy shit at any price that is offered to you? Utilities don't bargain. This isn't Mexico. (or Croatia lol) Credit cards don't bargain. Loan and mortgages don't bargain. I will though call Hydro and tell them I don't want to pay their prices, we should negotiate. I will then stock up on kerosene or I am going to fucking freeze in the dark. This is eastern europe, where we bargain about eveyfuckingthing. Especially about NEW price. And you are not here but there, wherever the fuck that is, jerky. if you wanna buy shit from Russians at their price.,.go for it but don't imagine that everyone has to be you..hm..or do imagine it, what do I care. |
Sun_dancer User ID: 48671548 United States 04/05/2014 04:47 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 Sun will you go on the record and say no troops will enter Ukraine over the next few weeks/months? Quoting: < DL > That would be foolish of me since Russia has frequently stated they are prepared to go in to protect Russians, sometimes using the phrase "massacre" but not always. For example, if Ukraine and Moldova blockade Transnistria, or Ukraine shuts off utilities to Crimea, or Ukraine tries to prevent by force the people of southeastern Ukraine voting to re-unite with Russia, I am not confident in predicting how Russia would react. There could be other provocations by Ukraine, some elements of Ukrainian society, by NATO, etc. which could change the calculus. Certainly I expect them to enter Crimea, not sure if you consider that Ukraine or Russia. But I don't see Russia launching an unprovoked invasion to seize all of Ukraine, nope. Do you really consider Ukraine not allowing a referendum to join Russia in the east to be sufficient provocation for an invasion? The aren't allowing it now so by that logic Russia could go into Ukraine at any time. Of course you want to ridicule any claims Russia is in hair trigger status but it doesn't make sense to do that given the number of things you consider an adequate pretext. If all of those things are sufficient triggers then it wouldn't make sense for Russia not to be ready to go in on short notice. Exactly what western sources are saying they are observing. I am no expert but it makes no sense to dismiss those reports based on your own answer. Sufficient for me, or sufficient for Russia? I just don't know the answer, hence my lack of a prediction. Do I think they are likely to invade? No, but it also depends on how "Russian parts" are treated (i.e., the parts of Ukraine carved from Russia by the Communists). Personally I think if Ukraine tries to prevent a referendum or federalization there is a good chance there will be a civil war, and this chance goes up quite a bit if the right-wing parties make significant gains over the last election or other anti-Russian provocative actions are taken. In all likelihood parts of Ukraine are already preparing for that, and this is consistent with the report of the arrests of 25 men around Luhansk(?) with 300 machine guns today (if that has any credence). Now if there is a civil war, I cannot rule out Russia intervening, of course not. I never argued that Russia was incapable of invading Ukraine, on relatively short notice - but they could do that with troops stationed in their barracks. My point always was there are no hidden troops now massed on the border poised to invade, and I still don't think there are. Of course this situation can change, just like US or Israel could try to bomb Iran next month. Last Edited by Sun_dancer on 04/05/2014 04:52 PM Sun_dancer |
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Doom Master User ID: 45874141 United States 04/05/2014 04:53 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 sun dancer responses= professional and information your responses= childish and repetitive You have the US govt mentality of "the more I say something the truer it becomes" And this warrants the following response. . Ever closer to darkness we ride relentless hell hounds by our side.... ....I looked, and there before me was a pale horse! Its rider was named Death, and Hellfire was following close behind him...... Just keeping the score..... |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 56470551 Croatia 04/05/2014 04:55 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 sun dancer responses= professional and information your responses= childish and repetitive You have the US govt mentality of "the more I say something the truer it becomes" It's definitively professional. And misinformation is information too. So..you are correct in your assessment of a dancer. To be childish is ultimate virtue. "You got to be like a child in order to get in kingdom of heaven" or something like that. You would know that if you are not commie :) |
RBR User ID: 56080722 United Kingdom 04/05/2014 04:56 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 They are not maniplative videos. In fact they are part of the very extensive evidence that has been collected. The fact is that they plainly show the Berkut firing at the protestors over an extended period of time that morning, and you dont like that fact, being a Russian shill whose job it is to support your allies(the Berkut). Each time you talk shit with your Russian shill lies, Im going to repost the videos, so have it your way... Excellent videos plainly showing the Berkut shooters on Feb 20th: 1) First, as they are shooting from the high ground of October Palace [link to www.youtube.com] 2) The killers retreating from October Palace to Instytutska street(shooting from both locations): [link to www.youtube.com] (from 1:30 on you can see the police behind the barricade shooting) and [link to www.youtube.com (secure)] and 3) probably most importantly, the killers having moved to the concrete barriers on Instytutska street then shoot many many more of the protestors from there, from a safe location - [link to www.youtube.com (secure)] If they really are Berkut then Russia defiantly needs to be stopped. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 56469203 United States 04/05/2014 04:59 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 Sun will you go on the record and say no troops will enter Ukraine over the next few weeks/months? Quoting: < DL > That would be foolish of me since Russia has frequently stated they are prepared to go in to protect Russians, sometimes using the phrase "massacre" but not always. For example, if Ukraine and Moldova blockade Transnistria, or Ukraine shuts off utilities to Crimea, or Ukraine tries to prevent by force the people of southeastern Ukraine voting to re-unite with Russia, I am not confident in predicting how Russia would react. There could be other provocations by Ukraine, some elements of Ukrainian society, by NATO, etc. which could change the calculus. Certainly I expect them to enter Crimea, not sure if you consider that Ukraine or Russia. But I don't see Russia launching an unprovoked invasion to seize all of Ukraine, nope. Do you really consider Ukraine not allowing a referendum to join Russia in the east to be sufficient provocation for an invasion? The aren't allowing it now so by that logic Russia could go into Ukraine at any time. Of course you want to ridicule any claims Russia is in hair trigger status but it doesn't make sense to do that given the number of things you consider an adequate pretext. If all of those things are sufficient triggers then it wouldn't make sense for Russia not to be ready to go in on short notice. Exactly what western sources are saying they are observing. I am no expert but it makes no sense to dismiss those reports based on your own answer. Sufficient for me, or sufficient for Russia? I just don't know the answer, hence my lack of a prediction. Do I think they are likely to invade? No, but it also depends on how "Russian parts" are treated (i.e., the parts of Ukraine carved from Russia by the Communists). Personally I think if Ukraine tries to prevent a referendum or federalization there is a good change there will be a civil war, and this chance goes up quite a bit if the right-wing parties make significant gains over the last election or other anti-Russian provocative actions are taken. In all likelihood parts of Ukraine are already preparing for that, and this is consistent with the report of the arrests of 25 men around Luhansk(?) with 300 machine guns today (if that has any credence). Now if there is a civil war, I cannot rule out Russia intervening, of course not. I never argued that Russia was incapable of invading Ukraine, on relatively short notice - but they could do that with troops stationed in their barracks. My point always was there are no hidden troops now massed on the border poised to invade, and I still don't think there are. Of course this situation can change, just like US or Israel could try to bomb Iran next month. You have absolutely know knowledge of Russian troop placements. Your argument is with assessments about Russian intentions which cannot be discerned completely from troop movements. I am not really that upset about them but it is naïve to say that troops stationed in their barracks could move in anywhere near the time that forward deployed troops could move. These are matters for technical analysts and neither of us has the hard data yet you insist that your conclusion is credible. To repeat, the situation is rife with tension and the Russian intentions are unclear, as you admit. It would make no sense in such a situation for Russia not to have deployed its troops to shorten the reaction time if a decision to go in was made. The west claims to be observing that. Like everything else we can't independently verify it could be BS but there is no good argument at this point that those claims aren't plausible. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 56439487 Bulgaria 04/05/2014 05:07 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 Sun Dancer vs. 27 shills w/ persona management software and yet Sun Dancer is still winning. Govt shills have now become like 5 thousand dollar toilet paper in the 80's. Project On Government Oversight [link to en.wikipedia.org] |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 38232021 Canada 04/05/2014 05:07 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 55875488 Since when does the person not paying their creditors/suppliers get to dictate their pricing options? It's called "bargaining". Do you buy shit at any price that is offered to you? Utilities don't bargain. This isn't Mexico. (or Croatia lol) Credit cards don't bargain. Loan and mortgages don't bargain. I will though call Hydro and tell them I don't want to pay their prices, we should negotiate. I will then stock up on kerosene or I am going to fucking freeze in the dark. This is eastern europe, where we bargain about eveyfuckingthing. Especially about NEW price. And you are not here but there, wherever the fuck that is, jerky. if you wanna buy shit from Russians at their price.,.go for it but don't imagine that everyone has to be you..hm..or do imagine it, what do I care. Well then, just go with that. Buy your natural gas from the US. I am sure they can just fly that stuff over on the space shuttle. lol I just don't care. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 28291485 United States 04/05/2014 05:10 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 Sun Dancer vs. 27 shills w/ persona management software and yet Sun Dancer is still winning. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 56439487 Govt shills have now become like 5 thousand dollar toilet paper in the 80's. Project On Government Oversight [link to en.wikipedia.org] Translation: 'I am Russian shill 'Sun Dancer' on one of my alternate IP proxies that I use to spam this forum with Russian shillery. |
Sun_dancer User ID: 48671548 United States 04/05/2014 05:10 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 ... Quoting: Sun_dancer I never argued that Russia was incapable of invading Ukraine, on relatively short notice - but they could do that with troops stationed in their barracks. My point always was there are no hidden troops now massed on the border poised to invade, and I still don't think there are. Of course this situation can change, just like US or Israel could try to bomb Iran next month. You have absolutely know knowledge of Russian troop placements. Your argument is with assessments about Russian intentions which cannot be discerned completely from troop movements. I am not really that upset about them but it is naïve to say that troops stationed in their barracks could move in anywhere near the time that forward deployed troops could move. These are matters for technical analysts and neither of us has the hard data yet you insist that your conclusion is credible. To repeat, the situation is rife with tension and the Russian intentions are unclear, as you admit. It would make no sense in such a situation for Russia not to have deployed its troops to shorten the reaction time if a decision to go in was made. The west claims to be observing that. Like everything else we can't independently verify it could be BS but there is no good argument at this point that those claims aren't plausible. I also have no knowledge of Chinese troop movements - however, if someone is claiming time and time again that China has 100,000 troops outside Los Angeles poised for invasion, for weeks on end, without any evidence, then I don't believe it. Make sense? Especially when this "someone" has on many occasions lied/"been wrong" about such things. As to what "makes sense", everyone can speculate. But I submit it is not possible to hide moving 100,000 troops back and forth from the border in relatively densely populated Western Russia, because it would be exposed either by citizens, tourists, the countless Ukrainians who are living there and have cameras, the numerous overflights that have happened (and are indeed ongoing, with the cooperation of Russia), the several journalists from NBC, NY Times and elsewhere who have gone looking for these troops, or the countless satellites circling our planet with very sophisticated imaging (including thermal imaging) capabilities. You can believe what you want, even Santa Claus or the tooth fairy if you want :). I need evidence. And, I was just answering a question. Last Edited by Sun_dancer on 04/05/2014 05:12 PM Sun_dancer |
tmorais User ID: 53485785 Brazil 04/05/2014 05:12 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 Sun Dancer vs. 27 shills w/ persona management software and yet Sun Dancer is still winning. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 56439487 Govt shills have now become like 5 thousand dollar toilet paper in the 80's. Project On Government Oversight [link to en.wikipedia.org] Stay strong Sun Dancer. I'm not a Putin lover, but hurts my eyes see this massive shillery trying to place the man in the same category as Stalin, Hitler, etc. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 55874494 Luxembourg 04/05/2014 05:12 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 They are not maniplative videos. In fact they are part of the very extensive evidence that has been collected. The fact is that they plainly show the Berkut firing at the protestors over an extended period of time that morning, and you dont like that fact, being a Russian shill whose job it is to support your allies(the Berkut). Each time you talk shit with your Russian shill lies, Im going to repost the videos, so have it your way... ever heard of rubber bullets? ever heard of common sense? ever heard that killing of protesters fuels the cause of the protesters and they gain more support...certainly berkut wouldn't gain anything from shooting don't you think? no? ah sorry I don't speak sheep |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 56439487 Bulgaria 04/05/2014 05:16 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 I'm convinced that finding out for sure who hired the snipers is the key to finding out what's going to happen next. It could be a Russian attack. If so it's a PR disaster for Russia, and a clear indicator that Russia is headed for an oppressive police state. Well.. even more oppressive than it has now. Or it could be a US false flag attack designed to frame up Russia. Were those hacked emails about 'frame up the neighbor' real or were they fake? Were there really Blackwater troops walking about? These are really important questions and if anyone has evidence to clear this up that would be great. Quoting: RBR US hired snipers. Next. |
Sun_dancer User ID: 48671548 United States 04/05/2014 05:17 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 They are not maniplative videos. In fact they are part of the very extensive evidence that has been collected. ... If they really are Berkut then Russia defiantly needs to be stopped. Berkut were Ukrainian riot police, which have been disbanded. In fact Ukrainian coup government (who are prime suspects in the shootings themselves) has waffled between accusing these Berkut police, and the "Alpha Group" of the SBU (Ukrainian security services), for the shootings. Despite numerous requests, the coup government does not allow international participation in the investigation, whether by Russia or the EU, even though participation by the EU was part of the agreement the then-opposition (and current government) agreed to in the Feb. 21 agreement with Yanukovych (who was then the President) and several EU nations. So the coup government officials are violating their own written agreement to have an open investigation. But as they are the prime suspects, it really is not so surprising. Last Edited by Sun_dancer on 04/05/2014 05:18 PM Sun_dancer |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 28291485 United States 04/05/2014 05:19 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 The list of the Kremlin/FSB/Russian secret service agents who arrived to Kyiv airport on Feb20 -the day when most protestors where shot by the snipers. [link to www.facebook.com (secure)] |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 56439487 Bulgaria 04/05/2014 05:20 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 The list of the Kremlin/FSB/Russian secret service agents who arrived to Kyiv airport on Feb20 -the day when most protestors where shot by the snipers. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28291485 [link to www.facebook.com (secure)] |