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UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387

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@russian_market @KlauswitzNV This was yesterday in Slavyansk, nothing heard about new one downed [link to ukrain.bazaza.net]
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@russian_market: Reports of Ukrainian helicopter shot down in Kramatorsk

@russian_market: Confirmed. [link to twitter.com (secure)]
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False.

Edit: the image
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@MarQs__: @russian_market @KlauswitzNV This was yesterday in Slavyansk, nothing heard about new one downed [link to ukrain.bazaza.net] :) sorry
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Kiev: a truce in eastern Ukraine violated 52 times [link to bbc.in]
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Unconfirmed reports Russian separatists #Luhansk #Donetsk preparing for all out assault after ceasefire with new troops and weapons #Ukraine

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So according to this the locals consider Donbass former Russian land..

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Funny thing is that here this becomes a problem is that, according to a statement from UN Secretary General Ban ki-Moon, Ukraine is missing borders.
Experts operating under the aegis of the UN Security Council came to the following conclusion about Ukraine's borders: Within the framework of international law , it turns out that, since the collapse of the Soviet Union, Ukraine has not been properly registered as a state, according to the UN demarcation of its borders. According to the accepted contractual framework of the Russian Commonwealth, or Commonwealth of Independent States (CIS), the country remains on the limits of the administrative boundaries of the USSR, over which the UN has no legal jurisdiction. The EU currently backs this position. The only established borders are on the European side.
Is the U.S. going to sanction Ban ki-Moon? Will they drone the UN?
[link to www.opednews.com]
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Well isn't that interesting?

It sounds like, assuming that Ban ki-Moon has been accurately reported, the UN has no choice but to suspend Ukraine's membership until the matter of its borders are settled.

But that does assume the Ban ki-Moon has his facts straight regarding the exact circumstances of the dissolution of the Soviet Union.

[EDIT - however sources other suggest that Ban ki-Moon has not been correctly reported]

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President Obama's Brilliant Strategy for Nuclear-Blitzing Russia

There is no mystery as to why Russia is making preparations for being hit by a U.S. nuclear attack.

When the U.S. toppled the freely elected, pro-Russian, President of Ukraine, in February of this year, and replaced him with a U.S. appointed Prime Minister, Arseniy Yatsenyuk, that coup enabled the U.S. to have access to Ukraine as a launching-pad for U.S. nuclear missiles that could destroy Russia's Moscow command-center in less than ten minutes, which would be too short a time-window for Russia to be able to launch its retaliatory weapons. Our new Government in Ukraine is ethnically cleansing from southeastern Ukraine the people in the area of Ukraine that had voted overwhelmingly for the former President, Viktor Yanukovych. This will lock-in Ukraine's newly dominant anti-Russian tilt, and will thus solidify Ukraine as a NATO ally, and, soon (as our regime there hopes), a new NATO member, like other post-Soviet and now NATO members. Other NATO members that have already been brought over from the former Soviet Union are: Albania, Bulgaria, Croatia, Czech Republic, Estonia, Hungary, Latvia, Lithuania, Poland, Romania, Slovakia, and Slovenia. Ukraine would be the keystone to that.

In addition, the U.S. already has troops in many countries, which include the following nations where our soldiers are stationed (and this includes ones with missile bases located near Russia): Norway, Finland, Estonia, Latvia, Belarus, Ukraine, Georgia, Azerbaijan, and Kazakhstan. We also have some soldiers in other former parts of the U.S.S.R.: Moldova, Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan, Turkmenistan, and Uzbekistan.

The U.S. nuclearly surrounds Russia; we have missiles in nations that border Russia; Russia doesn't have any missiles in nations that surround the U.S.

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Russian and ukrainian - they cant make up their mind?
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Its a mistake cant be Russian. So 7 choppers left? chuckle
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it's really sad to see Putin turned into such a pussy.
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Donbas has not fallen yet.

There are bigger geopolitical things at stake.

I imagine the recent threat by SWIFT, and what to do about it, will feature prominently at the BRICS summit in mid-July.

And that BRICS summit may be a watershed in human history. No nations get their economies threatened with ruin without working on how the destroy the body that threatens.
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i lack the education to understand what you have just said.
but, thanks for the heads-up.
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I assure you your education had nothing to do with you not understanding his post.
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President Obama's Brilliant Strategy for Nuclear-Blitzing Russia

There is no mystery as to why Russia is making preparations for being hit by a U.S. nuclear attack.

When the U.S. toppled the freely elected, pro-Russian, President of Ukraine, in February of this year, and replaced him with a U.S. appointed Prime Minister, Arseniy Yatsenyuk, that coup enabled the U.S. to have access to Ukraine as a launching-pad for U.S. nuclear missiles that could destroy Russia's Moscow command-center in less than ten minutes, which would be too short a time-window for Russia to be able to launch its retaliatory weapons. Our new Government in Ukraine is ethnically cleansing from southeastern Ukraine the people in the area of Ukraine that had voted overwhelmingly for the former President, Viktor Yanukovych. This will lock-in Ukraine's newly dominant anti-Russian tilt, and will thus solidify Ukraine as a NATO ally, and, soon (as our regime there hopes), a new NATO member, like other post-Soviet and now NATO members. Other NATO members that have already been brought over from the former Soviet Union are: Albania, Bulgaria, Croatia, Czech Republic, Estonia, Hungary, Latvia, Lithuania, Poland, Romania, Slovakia, and Slovenia. Ukraine would be the keystone to that.

In addition, the U.S. already has troops in many countries, which include the following nations where our soldiers are stationed (and this includes ones with missile bases located near Russia): Norway, Finland, Estonia, Latvia, Belarus, Ukraine, Georgia, Azerbaijan, and Kazakhstan. We also have some soldiers in other former parts of the U.S.S.R.: Moldova, Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan, Turkmenistan, and Uzbekistan.

The U.S. nuclearly surrounds Russia; we have missiles in nations that border Russia; Russia doesn't have any missiles in nations that surround the U.S.

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Before that time comes us$ will be worth toilet paper. Damping of dollar is becoming contagious. They need reset to replace it with amero, which is ready and is in Chinese bank of developent. US is bankrupt and borrows money from China and Japan. Japan is dying bc fukushima. China will not finance us ww3. What do u think guys?
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... us$ will be worth toilet paper. Damping of dollar is becoming contagious. They need reset to replace it with amero, which is ready and is in Chinese bank of developent. US is bankrupt and borrows money from China and Japan. Japan is dying bc fukushima. China will not finance us ww3. What do u think guys?
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That gets decided at the BRICS meeting in Recife, Brazil on July 15. If a consensus is reached then big action follows.
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Crimea beach yesterday

[link to twitter.com (secure)]

This beach is normally packed with people this time of year.
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Allow me to address your post on behalf of the pro-Putin, pro-Moscow dolts.

The image you posted is fake and photo-shopped. Crimean beaches are 100% full, tourism industry is better than ever-just ask Putin. You must be a Kyivian, American Nazi. Why do you hate Russians so much? You were happy and gleeful about the Odessa mass murder, weren't you. Stop trying to derail this thread. Get out you Hitlerite.
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On June, 25th, elements of "the Right sector" have seized oil refining factory Dolinskiy in the Kirovograd area, having explained it that according to their information, owners of a factory participated in financing militiamen in Novorossiya. Press-service of Right sector has confirmed this information.

So-called special division of Right sector "Sych" has taken under control Dolinsky oil refining factory in the Kirovograd area.

"The enterprise belongs to the structures close to family of Yanukovich the People's Deputy from the Party of regions Ruslan Tsyplakov which has run away to Moscow and whose brother Sergey is one of leaders of the terrorist organization Donetsk national republic", declared in the Right sector.
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I see quotes. I do not see your source of the quotes. I'm assuming you not siting the source was an accident.
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Only if they meet certain conditions Commander of anti-fascist army is ready to negotiate with representatives of the Kiev authorities.

- First - withdrawal of Ukrainian troops 10 kilometers from the main army garrisons DPR and LPR.

Second - the cessation of military operations of Ukrainian aircrafts over areas controlled by militias.

Third - the cessation of any shelling of settlements and militia positions said Igor Strelkov.

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WTF. I thought the GRU colonel fled to Moscow? What happened he and Putin had a one night stand?
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On June, 25th, elements of "the Right sector" have seized oil refining factory Dolinskiy in the Kirovograd area, having explained it that according to their information, owners of a factory participated in financing militiamen in Novorossiya. Press-service of Right sector has confirmed this information.

So-called special division of Right sector "Sych" has taken under control Dolinsky oil refining factory in the Kirovograd area.

"The enterprise belongs to the structures close to family of Yanukovich the People's Deputy from the Party of regions Ruslan Tsyplakov which has run away to Moscow and whose brother Sergey is one of leaders of the terrorist organization Donetsk national republic", declared in the Right sector.
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I see quotes. I do not see your source of the quotes. I'm assuming you not siting the source was an accident.
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Source is in ukrainian. Here we go
[link to pravyysektor.info]
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@leonidragozin: Semenchenko: Kramatorsk airfield controlled by 100 Ukrainian soldiers being stormed by 300 Girkin's militants.
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@MarQs__: Attacks continue: Roadblock near #Donetsk: 1pro-#Russia|n KIA, car destroyed/mortar attack at #Ukraine CP near #Sloviansk: 10 WIA, 3 severly

@MarQs__: #Kramatorsk airfield situation serious: 300 pro-#Russia|ns against 100 #Ukraine troops. Battle since ~12 hours and ongoing.
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... us$ will be worth toilet paper. Damping of dollar is becoming contagious. They need reset to replace it with amero, which is ready and is in Chinese bank of developent. US is bankrupt and borrows money from China and Japan. Japan is dying bc fukushima. China will not finance us ww3. What do u think guys?
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That gets decided at the BRICS meeting in Recife, Brazil on July 15. If a consensus is reached then big action follows.
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hiding
Big Action, Hey
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Ukraine Reporter &#8207;@StateOfUkraine · 11 min.
~300 RU/pro-RU fighters + heavy weapons are attacking ~100 Ukrainian troops at the airfield in #Kramatorsk #Ukraine. This is a major battle.
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Where is that spanish peanut? I kind of started missing him wakeup
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Crimea beach yesterday

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This beach is normally packed with people this time of year.
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Allow me to address your post on behalf of the pro-Putin, pro-Moscow dolts.

The image you posted is fake and photo-shopped. Crimean beaches are 100% full, tourism industry is better than ever-just ask Putin. You must be a Kyivian, American Nazi. Why do you hate Russians so much? You were happy and gleeful about the Odessa mass murder, weren't you. Stop trying to derail this thread. Get out you Hitlerite.
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@ChristopherJM: Reports of serious fight now at #Kramatorsk airfield. Journo Artem Shevchenko says ~300 rebels vs ~100 Ukr troops [link to m.facebook.com (secure)]
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Crimea beach yesterday

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This beach is normally packed with people this time of year.
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Allow me to address your post on behalf of the pro-Putin, pro-Moscow dolts.

The image you posted is fake and photo-shopped. Crimean beaches are 100% full, tourism industry is better than ever-just ask Putin. You must be a Kyivian, American Nazi. Why do you hate Russians so much? You were happy and gleeful about the Odessa mass murder, weren't you. Stop trying to derail this thread. Get out you Hitlerite.
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@KyivPost: Russian leader's press secretary says it is time to hope for prolonged ceasefire in Ukraine [link to www.kyivpost.com]

Because, look how well that has been working so far.
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@MarQs__: Reports say BM-21 "Grad" are moving towards #Kramatorsk airfield to help pro-#Russia|ns. Reporter says they need urgent air support there!
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Where is that spanish peanut? I kind of started missing him wakeup
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^^ THIS :D
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Stop evoking demons, let them sleep!

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Where is that spanish peanut? I kind of started missing him wakeup
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^^ THIS :D
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Stop evoking demons, let them sleep!epiclol

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Again, you do not get it.
It is not \"at Russia\'s gates\", it is in the sovereign state of Ukraine, Russia has no business in the internal affairs of Ukraine, simply because it\'s neighbouring Russia.

How do you think any country in the world would react if their minorities, who don\'t even have any claim to the land they live on (Most of them were imported there during the Soviet relocation programs), would start becoming separatists?
And especially if these \"separatists\" goal is to annexed by another country?

No country in the world would tolerate this. If the Russians living in Ukraine want to be part of Russia, then they can simply relocate themselves there.

Not to even mention how hypocritical it is by Russia, considering Chechnya.
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Oh come on! Historically the Ukraine\'s been Russian/Polish stuff. Deal with it. There is no such thing as Ukrainian nation. Eastern Ukraine\'s been Russian for centuries. And the fact CIA-sponsored thugs started their rampage there was simply dangerous for Russia. It is gate to Russia: historically, geographically, ethnically

How would I react? Strangely enough the legal president, Mr. Yanukovich did not need to react as there was no issue. Once Maidan hooligans started their rampage, the state de facto ceased to exist. I know it may seem an innovation for you, but the continuity of legal government is not secured by a band of thugs on streets.

And those thugs\' favorites proclaimed their selves to be new government. Elections? No one cares because it is a revolution (yay!).
And if you do it, you have to take into account some people/regions will simply consider themselves dismissed from such state. In case of the Ukraine there was a huge risk of it (aforementioned ethnic and historical division accompanied by no true national identity).

Now will tell you what the west would do/does:

Kosovo.
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I am not trying to defend the western governments in anything. When will you get it, FFS.

Also, Poroshenko was elected...

And there is no such thing as Ukrainian nation? Ukraine is OLDER than Russia, and Ukrainians are ethnically more pure than Russians. Russians are mixed with Slavs, Finno-ugrics, Tatars, Mongoloids, Caucasians, etc... Kievan Rus\' is the parent culture of Russia. Pure Eastern-Slavs descend from the area which is mostly modern day Ukraine.
Russia is considered a Slavonic nation at its core, however HISTORICALLY Slavs do not have any claim to most of modern day Russia, historically it belongs to Finno-ugric, Mongoloid, Tatar, and other Central Asian tribes.

So you could say that Ukraine is actually the father of Russia, And Russia is Ukraine\'s bastard child.
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You are talking bullshit. 1) In what sense is Ukraine older than Russia? Please elaborate. 2) What makes you think that Ukrainians are ethnically more \"pure\"? What is the definition of purity? Yes there are some Finno-Ugric tribes that contributed to Russian genes pool, so did Tatars to a lesser extent, and hardly at all Mongoloids or Caucasians (from Caucasus, if you mean that). But Ukrainians mixed with Tatars, Kipchaks, Circassians, Jews, Poles, and after that most notably with Russians, perhaps to the extent that makes them indistinguishable from Russians. 3)HISTORICALLY, long before the Central Asian tribes, the territory of the Ukraine belonged to Scythians and Sarmatians, and even earlier - to Cimmerians, and some time ago the entire Europe belonged to Neanderthal hominids, and in the Jurassic period dinasaurs occupied the entire planet. Do you see my point?
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1) In the sense that Kiev region is where Eastern-Slavs originate from as far as its known.

2) I mean the ethnic composition of Ukraine is certainly purer than Russia, and they are more pure Slavs than Russians because they don't have so much Finno-Ugric and other influence in their gene pool. Even so, they are far from the purity of Poles or Czechs, etc.

3) And I wen't down the history lane as a retort to the last guy, personally I think history does not matter in modern day geopolitics. But since it is often brought up here that "Eastern Ukraine is historically Russian land blah blah blah", then I just point out that historically there is no such thing as Russian land.
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Oh come on! Historically the Ukraine\'s been Russian/Polish stuff. Deal with it. There is no such thing as Ukrainian nation. Eastern Ukraine\'s been Russian for centuries. And the fact CIA-sponsored thugs started their rampage there was simply dangerous for Russia. It is gate to Russia: historically, geographically, ethnically

How would I react? Strangely enough the legal president, Mr. Yanukovich did not need to react as there was no issue. Once Maidan hooligans started their rampage, the state de facto ceased to exist. I know it may seem an innovation for you, but the continuity of legal government is not secured by a band of thugs on streets.

And those thugs\' favorites proclaimed their selves to be new government. Elections? No one cares because it is a revolution (yay!).
And if you do it, you have to take into account some people/regions will simply consider themselves dismissed from such state. In case of the Ukraine there was a huge risk of it (aforementioned ethnic and historical division accompanied by no true national identity).

Now will tell you what the west would do/does:

Kosovo.
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I am not trying to defend the western governments in anything. When will you get it, FFS.

Also, Poroshenko was elected...

And there is no such thing as Ukrainian nation? Ukraine is OLDER than Russia, and Ukrainians are ethnically more pure than Russians. Russians are mixed with Slavs, Finno-ugrics, Tatars, Mongoloids, Caucasians, etc... Kievan Rus\' is the parent culture of Russia. Pure Eastern-Slavs descend from the area which is mostly modern day Ukraine.
Russia is considered a Slavonic nation at its core, however HISTORICALLY Slavs do not have any claim to most of modern day Russia, historically it belongs to Finno-ugric, Mongoloid, Tatar, and other Central Asian tribes.

So you could say that Ukraine is actually the father of Russia, And Russia is Ukraine\'s bastard child.
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You are talking bullshit. 1) In what sense is Ukraine older than Russia? Please elaborate. 2) What makes you think that Ukrainians are ethnically more \"pure\"? What is the definition of purity? Yes there are some Finno-Ugric tribes that contributed to Russian genes pool, so did Tatars to a lesser extent, and hardly at all Mongoloids or Caucasians (from Caucasus, if you mean that). But Ukrainians mixed with Tatars, Kipchaks, Circassians, Jews, Poles, and after that most notably with Russians, perhaps to the extent that makes them indistinguishable from Russians. 3)HISTORICALLY, long before the Central Asian tribes, the territory of the Ukraine belonged to Scythians and Sarmatians, and even earlier - to Cimmerians, and some time ago the entire Europe belonged to Neanderthal hominids, and in the Jurassic period dinasaurs occupied the entire planet. Do you see my point?
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1) In the sense that Kiev region is where Eastern-Slavs originate from as far as its known.

2) I mean the ethnic composition of Ukraine is certainly purer than Russia, and they are more pure Slavs than Russians because they don't have so much Finno-Ugric and other influence in their gene pool. Even so, they are far from the purity of Poles or Czechs, etc.

3) And I wen't down the history lane as a retort to the last guy, personally I think history does not matter in modern day geopolitics. But since it is often brought up here that "Eastern Ukraine is historically Russian land blah blah blah", then I just point out that historically there is no such thing as Russian land.
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Skizzy is back. More enthusiasm. More training. lol
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Where is that spanish peanut? I kind of started missing him wakeup
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^^ THIS :D
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Stop evoking demons, let them sleep!

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Why does your flag switch between Czech and Denmark? Are you using a proxy IP for your Russian shilling?
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Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387
Skizzy. Anybody can be Russian. Read Dostoevsky, has polish origin, but he is Russian writer. Russian is special state of mind and spirit. it is not nation. That is source of misconception. Russia is last spiritual homeland of true orthodoxy.
That will answer all your questions. Pushkin was half black so what greatest Russian poet.





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