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*** RADIATION ALERT *** PLUTONIUM CONFIRMED IN AIR NEAR CARLSBAD, NM
Just received this ALERT in my email:

*** RADIATION ALERT ***
Plutonium has been detected in the air near Carlsbad, NM from a radiation accident at the Waste Isolation Pilot Plant (WIPP) a federally-run facility that processes old nuclear warheads.

Inhaling even one-one-millionth of a gram of plutonium can result in lung cancer. Residents in the area are advised to remain inside, with their windows closed. If you must go outside, wear a NIOSH 99 certified filter mask and make certain you discard clothing directly into a washing machine then shower immediately upon returning home.

Full details at: [link to turnerradionetwork.com]
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so then the plutonium is in your washing machine, buy a new one each load?
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so then the plutonium is in your washing machine, buy a new one each load?
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OH, C'mon man; Every adult (at least those of us who grew up during the cold War) knows that external radiation can be washed off with soap and water.

Yes, it _may_ do some internal cellular damage while it is on your skin or clothes, but depending upon the TYPE of radiation (Alpha, Beta, Gamma) it may not even be able to penetrate your body.

Plutonium gives off the worst kind: Gamma. It _will_ do cellular damage while laying on your skin or clothes. But it washes off with soap and water.

Laundry soap, doing its job as a surfactant, carries the Plutonium off the clothes and out of the washing machine with the waste water. Worst case scenario, run the washer again to flush it out.

If you do not wash the clothes, then everywhere you sit in your house gets contaminated. So when you sit on the couch, you and everyone else who sits there after you, gets exposed to the radiation that rubbed-off your contaminated clothes.

If you lay on the bed to relax, the radiation gets on the bed so you sleep in it.

As you walk around the house, radiation on your shoes gets walked all over the place.

Then, when you or your wife vacuums the house, it gets sucked into the vacuum and right back out into the room air ---- where it can be inhaled. THAT is the danger from this stuff. Inhalation or ingestion of Plutonium does horrific cellular damage inside your body causing DNA mutation and cancer.

Before you make remarks like this, you really ought to know what you're talking about.
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so then the plutonium is in your washing machine, buy a new one each load?
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OH, C'mon man; Every adult (at least those of us who grew up during the cold War) knows that external radiation can be washed off with soap and water.

Yes, it _may_ do some internal cellular damage while it is on your skin or clothes, but depending upon the TYPE of radiation (Alpha, Beta, Gamma) it may not even be able to penetrate your body.

Plutonium gives off the worst kind: Gamma. It _will_ do cellular damage while laying on your skin or clothes. But it washes off with soap and water.

Laundry soap, doing its job as a surfactant, carries the Plutonium off the clothes and out of the washing machine with the waste water. Worst case scenario, run the washer again to flush it out.

If you do not wash the clothes, then everywhere you sit in your house gets contaminated. So when you sit on the couch, you and everyone else who sits there after you, gets exposed to the radiation that rubbed-off your contaminated clothes.

If you lay on the bed to relax, the radiation gets on the bed so you sleep in it.

As you walk around the house, radiation on your shoes gets walked all over the place.

Then, when you or your wife vacuums the house, it gets sucked into the vacuum and right back out into the room air ---- where it can be inhaled. THAT is the danger from this stuff. Inhalation or ingestion of Plutonium does horrific cellular damage inside your body causing DNA mutation and cancer.

Before you make remarks like this, you really ought to know what you're talking about.
 Quoting: Interested Reader 2

Speaking of knowing what your talking about...........


Plutonium is an Alpha emitter

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A problem occurs when you inhale a hot particle of plutonium.

You can't wash it off with soap and water.

It stays in your lung, mutating your cells.

Hence the need for the mask.
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worse than we have been told.

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so then the plutonium is in your washing machine, buy a new one each load?
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OH, C'mon man; Every adult (at least those of us who grew up during the cold War) knows that external radiation can be washed off with soap and water.

Yes, it _may_ do some internal cellular damage while it is on your skin or clothes, but depending upon the TYPE of radiation (Alpha, Beta, Gamma) it may not even be able to penetrate your body.

Plutonium gives off the worst kind: Gamma. It _will_ do cellular damage while laying on your skin or clothes. But it washes off with soap and water.

Laundry soap, doing its job as a surfactant, carries the Plutonium off the clothes and out of the washing machine with the waste water. Worst case scenario, run the washer again to flush it out.

If you do not wash the clothes, then everywhere you sit in your house gets contaminated. So when you sit on the couch, you and everyone else who sits there after you, gets exposed to the radiation that rubbed-off your contaminated clothes.

If you lay on the bed to relax, the radiation gets on the bed so you sleep in it.

As you walk around the house, radiation on your shoes gets walked all over the place.

Then, when you or your wife vacuums the house, it gets sucked into the vacuum and right back out into the room air ---- where it can be inhaled. THAT is the danger from this stuff. Inhalation or ingestion of Plutonium does horrific cellular damage inside your body causing DNA mutation and cancer.

Before you make remarks like this, you really ought to know what you're talking about.
 Quoting: Interested Reader 2


Plutonium gives off Alpha radiation, not Gamma. Do your research.
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so then the plutonium is in your washing machine, buy a new one each load?
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OH, C'mon man; Every adult (at least those of us who grew up during the cold War) knows that external radiation can be washed off with soap and water.

Yes, it _may_ do some internal cellular damage while it is on your skin or clothes, but depending upon the TYPE of radiation (Alpha, Beta, Gamma) it may not even be able to penetrate your body.

Plutonium gives off the worst kind: Gamma. It _will_ do cellular damage while laying on your skin or clothes. But it washes off with soap and water.

Laundry soap, doing its job as a surfactant, carries the Plutonium off the clothes and out of the washing machine with the waste water. Worst case scenario, run the washer again to flush it out.

If you do not wash the clothes, then everywhere you sit in your house gets contaminated. So when you sit on the couch, you and everyone else who sits there after you, gets exposed to the radiation that rubbed-off your contaminated clothes.

If you lay on the bed to relax, the radiation gets on the bed so you sleep in it.

As you walk around the house, radiation on your shoes gets walked all over the place.

Then, when you or your wife vacuums the house, it gets sucked into the vacuum and right back out into the room air ---- where it can be inhaled. THAT is the danger from this stuff. Inhalation or ingestion of Plutonium does horrific cellular damage inside your body causing DNA mutation and cancer.

Before you make remarks like this, you really ought to know what you're talking about.
 Quoting: Interested Reader 2



Well, it's not really the "radiation" that gets on your furniture, it would be the fine particles of plutonium. You want that shit out of your environment completely. I would strip naked on the porch and wash myself off with a hose OUTSIDE before coming inside and then I'd still take a shower immediately in the house just in case.
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so then the plutonium is in your washing machine, buy a new one each load?
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OH, C'mon man; Every adult (at least those of us who grew up during the cold War) knows that external radiation can be washed off with soap and water.

Yes, it _may_ do some internal cellular damage while it is on your skin or clothes, but depending upon the TYPE of radiation (Alpha, Beta, Gamma) it may not even be able to penetrate your body.

Plutonium gives off the worst kind: Gamma. It _will_ do cellular damage while laying on your skin or clothes. But it washes off with soap and water.

Laundry soap, doing its job as a surfactant, carries the Plutonium off the clothes and out of the washing machine with the waste water. Worst case scenario, run the washer again to flush it out.

If you do not wash the clothes, then everywhere you sit in your house gets contaminated. So when you sit on the couch, you and everyone else who sits there after you, gets exposed to the radiation that rubbed-off your contaminated clothes.

If you lay on the bed to relax, the radiation gets on the bed so you sleep in it.

As you walk around the house, radiation on your shoes gets walked all over the place.

Then, when you or your wife vacuums the house, it gets sucked into the vacuum and right back out into the room air ---- where it can be inhaled. THAT is the danger from this stuff. Inhalation or ingestion of Plutonium does horrific cellular damage inside your body causing DNA mutation and cancer.

Before you make remarks like this, you really ought to know what you're talking about.
 Quoting: Interested Reader 2



Well, it's not really the "radiation" that gets on your furniture, it would be the fine particles of plutonium. You want that shit out of your environment completely. I would strip naked on the porch and wash myself off with a hose OUTSIDE before coming inside and then I'd still take a shower immediately in the house just in case.
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I also probably wouldn't wash the clothes I would just consider each outfit I wore outside to be a total loss and throw them out.
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so then the plutonium is in your washing machine, buy a new one each load?
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OH, C'mon man; Every adult (at least those of us who grew up during the cold War) knows that external radiation can be washed off with soap and water.

Yes, it _may_ do some internal cellular damage while it is on your skin or clothes, but depending upon the TYPE of radiation (Alpha, Beta, Gamma) it may not even be able to penetrate your body.

Plutonium gives off the worst kind: Gamma. It _will_ do cellular damage while laying on your skin or clothes. But it washes off with soap and water.

Laundry soap, doing its job as a surfactant, carries the Plutonium off the clothes and out of the washing machine with the waste water. Worst case scenario, run the washer again to flush it out.

If you do not wash the clothes, then everywhere you sit in your house gets contaminated. So when you sit on the couch, you and everyone else who sits there after you, gets exposed to the radiation that rubbed-off your contaminated clothes.

If you lay on the bed to relax, the radiation gets on the bed so you sleep in it.

As you walk around the house, radiation on your shoes gets walked all over the place.

Then, when you or your wife vacuums the house, it gets sucked into the vacuum and right back out into the room air ---- where it can be inhaled. THAT is the danger from this stuff. Inhalation or ingestion of Plutonium does horrific cellular damage inside your body causing DNA mutation and cancer.

Before you make remarks like this, you really ought to know what you're talking about.
 Quoting: Interested Reader 2


Plutonium gives off Alpha radiation, not Gamma. Do your research.
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Ok, seems like no one speaking here has done their research.

There are many isotopes of Plutonium.

They primarily emit alpha. But also emit weak gamma.

Certain plutonium isotopes decay into other elements. PLU-241 decays into Americium 241 which is a monster gamma emitter.

Americium was found in the outside air samples, illustrating the possibility that there was Americium stored along side the PLU.

More likely there was PLU decay (and gamma activity) occurring in the storage site, and also a possibility that the decay of PLU to Americium occurred as the result of a fission reaction.
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A problem occurs when you inhale a hot particle of plutonium.

You can't wash it off with soap and water.

It stays in your lung, mutating your cells.

Hence the need for the mask.
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In Germany, the constructed years ago the DU munition and did have a accident. Did not tell the people about - till today children dying on leucemia.....it is in the dust, every where....it will be needed to make tests in your environment immediately and again and again...
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Just great!! I'm in Midland. We had strong (25-35mph) winds from the WNW, which are now mostly from the north. Straight from Carlsbad to begin with. Lots of dust in the air, too, so lots of particulates to inhale. And I can guarantee there hasn't been much in the news here about the airborne radiation from Carlsbad.

I'll be following this to see if further radiation is confirmed. Thanks for the post, OP!

Edit: The video is showing radiation release only for Feb 5th, which means Midland was not in the wind path that day. I need to find out if the radiation release has stopped, because if not, we have indeed been in the wind dispersal track during the last 12 hours. I will be doing more research!

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Yes this has been a bad deal since 2/5/14.

A truck caught on fire a the underground facility.
So they say.


This appears to be an ongoing imminent situation.

Maybe why military is shipping around country..and to local of Carlsbad.

Bezerk thread connected many dots.
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Russell Hardy, the director for the Carlsbad Environmental Monitoring and Research Center, gave a news release to the local Carlsbad paper, which cannot be linked to on GLP.

But if you read the article, you will see doublespeak and misinformation.

For example he makes claims like the following.

- The levels detected during this time period are higher than the normal background levels of radioactivity from transuranic elements commonly found at the sampling station

- transuranics, like Plutonium and Americium are so heavy that they don't travel far from their source, unless caught by large gusts of wind.

First - There is no such thing as a normal background level of a particular radioactive isotope. Unless that isotope is regularly released in the area.

Second - If they are regularly sampling and finding transuranic isotopes, they MUST be coming from local, because they don't travel far once they hit the ground.

Which would mean that taken literally, that plant regularly emits transuranic elements. And this sample happened to show more than normal. Which would be frightening.

Why frightening? After all this chump says the levels are "very low" and "well below being a public safety hazard".

Which is a pure lie. You inhale ONE plutonium atom, and it destroys the area where it lies in your body for your entire lifetime unless you take special measures to remove such heavy metals.

So ANY release of plutonium is a hazard.

It is just that they set artificial standards so that people don't get upset, and to offset their liability.
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Just great!! I'm in Midland. We had strong (25-35mph) winds from the WNW, which are now mostly from the north. Straight from Carlsbad to begin with. Lots of dust in the air, too, so lots of particulates to inhale. And I can guarantee there hasn't been much in the news here about the airborne radiation from Carlsbad.

I'll be following this to see if further radiation is confirmed. Thanks for the post, OP!

Edit: The video is showing radiation release only for Feb 5th, which means Midland was not in the wind path that day. I need to find out if the radiation release has stopped, because if not, we have indeed been in the wind dispersal track during the last 12 hours. I will be doing more research!
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They are saying that the release was due to the event on the 14th. It was on the 14th that the plutonium and americium were released into the outside air and traveled at Least 1/2 mile before hitting the sampling station.

Which means there is an unknown amt of those dangerous isotopes lying around on the ground, and any dust devils that kick them up into the prevailing low level wind currents will bring them to their new destination.
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Holy! Crap!... wtf!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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so then the plutonium is in your washing machine, buy a new one each load?
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OH, C'mon man; Every adult (at least those of us who grew up during the cold War) knows that external radiation can be washed off with soap and water.

Yes, it _may_ do some internal cellular damage while it is on your skin or clothes, but depending upon the TYPE of radiation (Alpha, Beta, Gamma) it may not even be able to penetrate your body.

Plutonium gives off the worst kind: Gamma. It _will_ do cellular damage while laying on your skin or clothes. But it washes off with soap and water.

Laundry soap, doing its job as a surfactant, carries the Plutonium off the clothes and out of the washing machine with the waste water. Worst case scenario, run the washer again to flush it out.

If you do not wash the clothes, then everywhere you sit in your house gets contaminated. So when you sit on the couch, you and everyone else who sits there after you, gets exposed to the radiation that rubbed-off your contaminated clothes.

If you lay on the bed to relax, the radiation gets on the bed so you sleep in it.

As you walk around the house, radiation on your shoes gets walked all over the place.

Then, when you or your wife vacuums the house, it gets sucked into the vacuum and right back out into the room air ---- where it can be inhaled. THAT is the danger from this stuff. Inhalation or ingestion of Plutonium does horrific cellular damage inside your body causing DNA mutation and cancer.

Before you make remarks like this, you really ought to know what you're talking about.
 Quoting: Interested Reader 2


Plutonium gives off Alpha radiation, not Gamma. Do your research.
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Ok, seems like no one speaking here has done their research.

There are many isotopes of Plutonium.

They primarily emit alpha. But also emit weak gamma.

Certain plutonium isotopes decay into other elements. PLU-241 decays into Americium 241 which is a monster gamma emitter.

Americium was found in the outside air samples, illustrating the possibility that there was Americium stored along side the PLU.

More likely there was PLU decay (and gamma activity) occurring in the storage site, and also a possibility that the decay of PLU to Americium occurred as the result of a fission reaction.
 Quoting: viraja


241Am is a low energy gamma emitter and primarily an alpha emitter (59 KeV). Cobalt-60 and Irridium-192 would be monster gamma emitters.

These isotopes emit radiation in a few discreet wavelengths. Cobalt-60 will emit a 1.33 and a 1.17 MeV gamma ray, and iridium-192 will emit 0.31, 0.47, and 0.60 MeV gamma rays.
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Is this for real? Is this a little exaggeration or is this crap that dangerous?
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Russell Hardy, the director for the Carlsbad Environmental Monitoring and Research Center, gave a news release to the local Carlsbad paper, which cannot be linked to on GLP.

But if you read the article, you will see doublespeak and misinformation.

For example he makes claims like the following.

- The levels detected during this time period are higher than the normal background levels of radioactivity from transuranic elements commonly found at the sampling station

- transuranics, like Plutonium and Americium are so heavy that they don't travel far from their source, unless caught by large gusts of wind.

First - There is no such thing as a normal background level of a particular radioactive isotope. Unless that isotope is regularly released in the area.

Second - If they are regularly sampling and finding transuranic isotopes, they MUST be coming from local, because they don't travel far once they hit the ground.

Which would mean that taken literally, that plant regularly emits transuranic elements. And this sample happened to show more than normal. Which would be frightening.

Why frightening? After all this chump says the levels are "very low" and "well below being a public safety hazard".

Which is a pure lie. You inhale ONE plutonium atom, and it destroys the area where it lies in your body for your entire lifetime unless you take special measures to remove such heavy metals.

So ANY release of plutonium is a hazard.

It is just that they set artificial standards so that people don't get upset, and to offset their liability.
 Quoting: viraja


Of course they always downplay the danger. But any open air plutonium is really bad news. They will try to compare to natural radiation from bananas and an airplane flight. But this is total falsehood but most people dont seem to understand or care unfortunately.
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Is this for real? Is this a little exaggeration or is this crap that dangerous?
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Yes, this is for real and yes it is that dangerous!!!

PU is THE MOST TOXIC ELEMENT ON THE PLANET

One millionth of a gram inhaled will give you a fatal does of lung cancer.
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Ok, seems like no one speaking here has done their research.

There are many isotopes of Plutonium.

They primarily emit alpha. But also emit weak gamma.

Certain plutonium isotopes decay into other elements. PLU-241 decays into Americium 241 which is a monster gamma emitter.

Americium was found in the outside air samples, illustrating the possibility that there was Americium stored along side the PLU.

More likely there was PLU decay (and gamma activity) occurring in the storage site, and also a possibility that the decay of PLU to Americium occurred as the result of a fission reaction.
 Quoting: viraja


241Am is a low energy gamma emitter and primarily an alpha emitter (59 KeV). Cobalt-60 and Irridium-192 would be monster gamma emitters.

These isotopes emit radiation in a few discreet wavelengths. Cobalt-60 will emit a 1.33 and a 1.17 MeV gamma ray, and iridium-192 will emit 0.31, 0.47, and 0.60 MeV gamma rays.
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you are right, it is a weak gamma emitter the volts are listed in KeV.

Am 243 the bad one because it decays to NP 239 which emits a half a MeV, on par with Ir.
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Is this for real? Is this a little exaggeration or is this crap that dangerous?
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Yes, this is for real and yes it is that dangerous!!!

PU is THE MOST TOXIC ELEMENT ON THE PLANET

One millionth of a gram inhaled will give you a fatal does of lung cancer.
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Sounds like they are leaving some things out. If what the previous poster says is true, how did we get fission in a storage facility?

What is the ground sampling outside the facility look like.

If particles on the ground, has a cleanup begun?

This sounds like some really bad shit.

Obviously I understand that Plutonium and other radioactive elements are dangerous, but what the hell are these people doing? it has been several days since the incident.
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The WIPP plant opened on 3/26/99
99 = 9*11

From Friday, March 26, 1999
To Friday, February 14, 2014
= 777 weeks exactly


the radiation alarm was in the section Panel 7 Room 7

On 2/14/2014 or 2/77/7

7 days after the Zeus Olympics religious ritual
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Just received this ALERT in my email:

*** RADIATION ALERT ***
Plutonium has been detected in the air near Carlsbad, NM from a radiation accident at the Waste Isolation Pilot Plant (WIPP) a federally-run facility that processes old nuclear warheads.

Inhaling even one-one-millionth of a gram of plutonium can result in lung cancer. Residents in the area are advised to remain inside, with their windows closed. If you must go outside, wear a NIOSH 99 certified filter mask and make certain you discard clothing directly into a washing machine then shower immediately upon returning home.

Full details at: [link to turnerradionetwork.com]
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Thanks OP! Great thread needs a pin! Im just a little north of the site in the Monzano mountains. I see these trucks going by day in and day out with 2 or 3 containers on heavy duty flatbeds. They look fiberglass on the outside, tan in color with the radioactive signs on them, heading to the WIPP site. I often wondered how easy it would be for terrorist with a high powered rifle to damage one of the containers while it is traveling, and spread radioactive crap all over the place.

Some of these things going on are not by accident. We dont go for decades without a single incident and then suddenly nuclear accidents are common place now?
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Re: *** RADIATION ALERT *** PLUTONIUM CONFIRMED IN AIR NEAR CARLSBAD, NM
Is this for real? Is this a little exaggeration or is this crap that dangerous?
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Yes, this is for real and yes it is that dangerous!!!

PU is THE MOST TOXIC ELEMENT ON THE PLANET

One millionth of a gram inhaled will give you a fatal does of lung cancer.
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Sounds like they are leaving some things out. If what the previous poster says is true, how did we get fission in a storage facility?

What is the ground sampling outside the facility look like.

If particles on the ground, has a cleanup begun?

This sounds like some really bad shit.

Obviously I understand that Plutonium and other radioactive elements are dangerous, but what the hell are these people doing? it has been several days since the incident.
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Well thats the thing ya see, the EPA, the DEO, the FDA and all the other 3 letter agencies assigned, and well payed to insure our safety, never fail to under report the circumstances and actual damage of any "event". Has it ever been any different?

And when you dont know there is no way to protect yourself or even have a choice to take precautions. Its infuriating to watch the lies and hypocrisy, when our government panders to all the big boy corporations. The ones who make those of us suffer for their greed needlessly.peacewtf
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Interesting that they had 2 accidents in one weeks span but they were considered unrelated due to occurring in different sections of the site.

Can't send anyone down for weeks.

Speculation that a section of roof broke off and damaged containers filled with plutonium americium etc. spilling their contents that led to the high levels of both beta and alpha rads detected underground.

That stuff is unstable and needs to be mixed with caution if at all...
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so then the plutonium is in your washing machine, buy a new one each load?
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OH, C'mon man; Every adult (at least those of us who grew up during the cold War) knows that external radiation can be washed off with soap and water.

Yes, it _may_ do some internal cellular damage while it is on your skin or clothes, but depending upon the TYPE of radiation (Alpha, Beta, Gamma) it may not even be able to penetrate your body.

Plutonium gives off the worst kind: Gamma. It _will_ do cellular damage while laying on your skin or clothes. But it washes off with soap and water.

Laundry soap, doing its job as a surfactant, carries the Plutonium off the clothes and out of the washing machine with the waste water. Worst case scenario, run the washer again to flush it out.

If you do not wash the clothes, then everywhere you sit in your house gets contaminated. So when you sit on the couch, you and everyone else who sits there after you, gets exposed to the radiation that rubbed-off your contaminated clothes.

If you lay on the bed to relax, the radiation gets on the bed so you sleep in it.

As you walk around the house, radiation on your shoes gets walked all over the place.

Then, when you or your wife vacuums the house, it gets sucked into the vacuum and right back out into the room air ---- where it can be inhaled. THAT is the danger from this stuff. Inhalation or ingestion of Plutonium does horrific cellular damage inside your body causing DNA mutation and cancer.

Before you make remarks like this, you really ought to know what you're talking about.
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Speaking of knowing what your talking about...........


Plutonium is an Alpha emitter
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It does emit gamma rays- 1 in 100,000.

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