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ac
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6/12/2006 9:57 PM
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[link to pesn.com]
Can some science guy please give a simple explanation as to why this is so big. |
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Anonymous Coward
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6/12/2006 10:02 PM | |
Anonymous Coward
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6/12/2006 10:04 PM | | Re: new electrical current: not AC, not DC, this might be the big break thru | Quote |
interesting stuff |
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Charlane
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6/12/2006 10:08 PM | | Re: new electrical current: not AC, not DC, this might be the big break thru | Quote |
Hey, this is right up there with gravitational wave theory. The government already knew about this. This is a controlled release. They let this guy push this out at this time for some reason to suit them, otherwise, they would have paid him off to keep him quiet like so many others. |
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Mista Kotta
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6/12/2006 10:11 PM | | Re: new electrical current: not AC, not DC, this might be the big break thru | Quote |
Oooh another conspiracy.  |
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some1shero
User ID: 19482
6/12/2006 10:13 PM | | Re: new electrical current: not AC, not DC, this might be the big break thru | Quote |
cha-ching $$$$$ |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 104189
6/12/2006 10:57 PM | | Re: new electrical current: not AC, not DC, this might be the big break thru | Quote |
Does anyone know what applications this would be good for?
I tried to follow the article but it went over my head, pretty cool though. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 33707
6/12/2006 11:21 PM | | Re: new electrical current: not AC, not DC, this might be the big break thru | Quote |
lessee if his greed overrides his humanity.
dibs on him selling out to the energy conglomerate within 400 days.
we'll never see it in commercial long-term production.
Power =  |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 81653
6/12/2006 11:24 PM | | Re: new electrical current: not AC, not DC, this might be the big break thru | Quote |
There is nothing new here, just some rewriting of books. The water and electrodes form capacitors, by switching the leads, the capacitors act like capacitors.
Indeed, it might be controlled release from government. read the links, and note how power-consumption is avoided. It might be even more out than in.
I guess they see the oil game is running out of updates and hidden levels... |
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syzygy
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6/12/2006 11:29 PM | | Re: new electrical current: not AC, not DC, this might be the big break thru | Quote |
as an electrician, this is fascinating. i just wish i was allowed internet service at work. this would be great for all of my tool partners to see at the job.
applications included motors, caps, batteries and a lot of the common stuff we use ac for now.
being able to have ac capability in dc-type batteries is opening the door to huge things. like future electric cars that can run virtually fuel free on near-perpetual motion.
wow. i like it. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 98371
6/12/2006 11:42 PM | | Re: new electrical current: not AC, not DC, this might be the big break thru | Quote |
this is no big deal, they have been making solid state boards that can reverse the polarity within the circuit without changing the supply powerm polarity, no big deal. |
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Arch~Angel
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6/13/2006 8:13 PM
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Me thinks you are not seeing.
It is VERY important to remember that there are four connections for electrical power, not two.
It is not like 'switched DC', nor is it AC.
Current flows through the circuit in one direction like DC, and current is steady, like in DC.
Because the current does change direction within the electrode it allows AC electro-magnetic effects.
AC effects where only DC can be used.
It is DC current with a switched electrode.
The switching is from negative to negative and positive to positive.
The current does change direction, but ONLY WITHIN THE ELECTRODE, and it does this without changing polarity of the electrode.
But I do think calling this a new Electrical Current to be compared with AC and DC is stretching it a bit.
I would define it as a new electrode because in most typical circuits it would be no different from DC.
From Original Article:
One limiting factor in efficient creation of hydrogen in electrolysis is the attraction created between Hydrogen and Oxygen gas bubbles to electrodes. "They stick like tiny magnets, increasing resistance of electrodes," thus reducing gas production.
As the SDC current changes direction within an inductive coil, the directions of the magnetic fields reverse creating multidirectional forces on the electrodes and ions. A tuned resonator circuit can create vibrations on the electrodes; this action shakes the electrodes and significantly increases the release of the hydrogen bubbles resulting in more efficient production of pure Hydrogen and Oxygen.
It would not be feasible to use AC to create this mechanical action; the gases would mix as polarities are swapped creating an unstable mixed gas.
"It was not my intention to doubt that the doctrines of the Illuminati, and the principles of Jacobinism, had not spread in the United States. On the contrary, no one is more fully satisfied of this fact than I am."
~George Washington, 1782 |
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Arch~Angel
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6/13/2006 8:33 PM
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I wonder what effects this would have on a lifter?
[link to jnaudin.free.fr]
Could it be the answer to building a flying saucer?
"It was not my intention to doubt that the doctrines of the Illuminati, and the principles of Jacobinism, had not spread in the United States. On the contrary, no one is more fully satisfied of this fact than I am."
~George Washington, 1782 |
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Arch~Angel
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6/14/2006 6:38 PM
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"It was not my intention to doubt that the doctrines of the Illuminati, and the principles of Jacobinism, had not spread in the United States. On the contrary, no one is more fully satisfied of this fact than I am."
~George Washington, 1782 |
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Anonymous Coward
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6/14/2006 6:44 PM | | Re: new electrical current: not AC, not DC, this might be the big break thru | Quote |
TOTAL nonsense with no meaning.
Please remember that award of a patent means ONLY that no one else has tried to patent the specific idea. It DOES NOT mean that it works or has any application. |
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DaJavoo 
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6/14/2006 7:06 PM
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Opie,
These are the key phrases:
>> multi-directional current that flows in parallel or in series through electrodes without reversing the supply polarity.<<
>>one or more current paths flowing in alternately reversed directions through or around a circuit. <<
>>SDC™ can reverse currents at full voltage or zero volts to produce tuned, counter-EMF forces and magnetic field reversals.>>
>>The inductive coiled electrodes can be tuned at certain frequencies to resonate to produce hydrogen more efficiently.<<
It is a totally NEW way of creating EMF to operate equipment. One that will not rely on fossil fuels ~ that is ~ if hydrogen can be produced to create it without the use of fossil fuels ~ and the article hints that it can create its own hydrogen supply, if I read correctly.
Also the circuits are very dynamic and could rapidly change as demand loads were changed, both in voltage and frequency! That is something that is not possible today on a large scale.
Consequently, exisitng appliances will be reconfigured to 'plug in' to this new electricity. I suspect at first, it will be special applications ~ perhaps on the ISS or an earth based industrial application.
Just my 2¢ !
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Arch~Angel
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6/14/2006 7:19 PM
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[link to artpad.art.com]
A neat motion diagram that shows what is going. I know its hard to see what is so special about it, and this should help.
"It was not my intention to doubt that the doctrines of the Illuminati, and the principles of Jacobinism, had not spread in the United States. On the contrary, no one is more fully satisfied of this fact than I am."
~George Washington, 1782 |
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Elijah 
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User ID: 104907
6/14/2006 7:29 PM
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I am an electrical engineer. I will study this out, but I am having a little difficulty envisioning the concept in my initial read of it.
* Edit * Initially this appear to just be square waves or what one would see with a digital signal.
Men of honor are seldom cowards and cowards seldom men of honor. - Elijah of GLP 1983. |
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Arch~Angel
User ID: 105942
6/14/2006 7:34 PM
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I am an electrical engineer. I will study this out, but I am having a little difficulty envisioning the concept in my initial read of it.
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Look at the site in my last post.
"It was not my intention to doubt that the doctrines of the Illuminati, and the principles of Jacobinism, had not spread in the United States. On the contrary, no one is more fully satisfied of this fact than I am."
~George Washington, 1782 |
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Arch~Angel
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6/14/2006 7:36 PM
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It is a totally NEW way of creating EMF to operate equipment. One that will not rely on fossil fuels ~ that is ~ if hydrogen can be produced to create it without the use of fossil fuels ~ and the article hints that it can create its own hydrogen supply, if I read correctly.
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No such claims.
Electrical energy must be added.
Its not a free energy machine.
Its a new way of doing things.
In the past there were times when someone said 'hey lets do this' and the reply was 'you can't because DC is required'.
Its time to take a look at those ideas because now you can have your cake, and eat it too!
"It was not my intention to doubt that the doctrines of the Illuminati, and the principles of Jacobinism, had not spread in the United States. On the contrary, no one is more fully satisfied of this fact than I am."
~George Washington, 1782 |
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Arch~Angel
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6/14/2006 7:37 PM
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* Edit * Initially this appear to just be square waves or what one would see with a digital signal.
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No.
It is DC.
Polarity is not switched.
Switching is from negative to negative, and from positive to positive.
"It was not my intention to doubt that the doctrines of the Illuminati, and the principles of Jacobinism, had not spread in the United States. On the contrary, no one is more fully satisfied of this fact than I am."
~George Washington, 1782 |
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Arch~Angel
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6/14/2006 7:49 PM
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[link to forum.physorg.com]
Our dear Mr. Sullivan hits the physics forums...
"It was not my intention to doubt that the doctrines of the Illuminati, and the principles of Jacobinism, had not spread in the United States. On the contrary, no one is more fully satisfied of this fact than I am."
~George Washington, 1782 |
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Elijah
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6/14/2006 7:52 PM
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I am going to have put on the thinking cap.
I envisioned the switches improperly the first time through. It seems the input is a pulsed DC + and a pulsed DC - signal to me. Being out of phase creates an average EMF that expands and collapses as a function of the period of the switches. So it has some properties of an AC Field without the polarity shift.
Why cannot this be accomplished via rectification and no filter/smoothing?
Men of honor are seldom cowards and cowards seldom men of honor. - Elijah of GLP 1983. |
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molesworth
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6/14/2006 7:53 PM | | Re: new electrical current: not AC, not DC, this might be the big break thru | Quote |
I do a fair bit of electronics, and I'm trying to get my head around this circuit to understand what it's supposed to do.
OK, you have effectively 3 capacitors (of sorts - maybe more RC units) and two power sources, and you're charging alternately from each power source, but where are you supposed to tap off the output power or signal?
You can either take it across the power lines, in which case you'll get a slightly varying DC voltage, or you can take it along one of the lines (e.g. where one of the ammeters is) and you'll get an AC signal.
I'd also like to see a waveform of the output. I'm very surprised there isn't one shown. I think it'll turn out to be just a rough square wave, which is in fact a form of AC. |
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Anonymous Coward
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6/14/2006 7:55 PM | | Re: new electrical current: not AC, not DC, this might be the big break thru | Quote |
I'm not a woo-woo or chemtard or anything so I'm not suitably flabbergasted - isn't this just pulsed DC or AC with a DC bias? |
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Anonymous Coward
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6/14/2006 7:56 PM | | Re: new electrical current: not AC, not DC, this might be the big break thru | Quote |
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Anonymous Coward
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6/14/2006 8:05 PM | | Re: new electrical current: not AC, not DC, this might be the big break thru | Quote |
It never ceases to amaze and distress me when I see the kind of garbage that gets by the PTO. Patent 7,041,203 is premised on a number of misconceptions and/or outright false claims. Current flow changes in response to EMF, voltage.
Sullivan comically claims that "current is applied to" one or more electrodes. This is nonsense. EMF (voltage) may be applied between electrodes and cause currents to flow through the path formed. The path can include the vacuum of space. This is the miracle articulated by Maxwell's famous equations.
Sullivan's switching apparatus does not create a new type of current. Sullivan's circuit is readily reduced to a variation on a classic circuit known as an "X" bridge. "X" bridges are commonly used in power electronics applications, such as solenoid drivers.
In its simplest form, an "X" bridge consists of four switches arranged with two on the left and two on the right. The upper switches connect to +, and the lower switches connect to -. This is identically, SW1/SW3 on the left and SW4/SW2 on the right of the Sullivan drawing published. In an "X" bridge application, one load is placed between the upper left and lower right switch, and another load is placed between the lower left and upper right switch. The load in Sullivan's case is merely the water that he is disassociating.
Redraw Sullivan's schematic with the water in each cell represented as the resistor that it is and it becomes obvious that Sullivan's contraption is nothing more than a classic "X" bridge. You can buy "X" bridge circuits off the shelf. All that Sullivan has done is to replace what is nominally a first coil from upper left to lower right, and a second from lower left to upper right with a set of parallel resistors from top to bottom. The patent examiner got snowed. |
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Arch~Angel
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6/14/2006 8:06 PM
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I'd also like to see a waveform of the output. I'm very surprised there isn't one shown. I think it'll turn out to be just a rough square wave, which is in fact a form of AC.
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From the power source and across the medium it is continuous DC so their is no waveform there, but through the electrode it is square wave AC.
But the polarity does not reverse.
TWO CONNECTIONS for each pole are REQUIRED, and they are switched 180 degrees out of phase.[maybe with a little overlap or underlap to avoid current drop, as required by the circuit]
"It was not my intention to doubt that the doctrines of the Illuminati, and the principles of Jacobinism, had not spread in the United States. On the contrary, no one is more fully satisfied of this fact than I am."
~George Washington, 1782 |
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Arch~Angel
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6/14/2006 8:08 PM
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It never ceases to amaze and distress me when I see the kind of garbage that gets by the PTO. Patent 7,041,203 is premised on a number of misconceptions and/or outright false claims. Current flow changes in response to EMF, voltage.
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You cut that from here: [link to peswiki.com]
And now I will supply the rebuttal from Dear Mr. Sullivan.
REBUTTAL:
On June 13, 2006, John T. Sullivan responded:
I wish I had more time to respond to the critics, but my short stay is too valuable to waste. I think the smart Engineers at the Patent office knows what a bridge circuit is and is not. "If more time was spent building new Idea's than tearing them apart we would all be better off". The H bridge reverses the polarity of the anode and cathode electrodes to change current direction by swapping the (+) and (-) electrodes . I'm changing the polarity within the Anode and Cathode without swapping the physical Anode and Cathode to get a change in current direction, that's the differences. Where you've missed the point, I have a polarity reversal within the electrode without turning an anode into a cathode or vise versa, that is new art. The Anode remains an Anode and the Cathode remains a Cathode. Using a DC power supply the current measured between two or more cells is AC, the Voltage measured between at the Anode and Cathode is DC. This is now known as (SDC) Sully Direct Current. The current between cells can be stepped up or down using a transformer.
"It was not my intention to doubt that the doctrines of the Illuminati, and the principles of Jacobinism, had not spread in the United States. On the contrary, no one is more fully satisfied of this fact than I am."
~George Washington, 1782 |
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Arch~Angel
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6/14/2006 8:14 PM
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isn't this just pulsed DC or AC with a DC bias?
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No, it is DC from the source, and through the circuit, but AC within the electrodes themselves.
All without swapping polarity of the electrodes.
Don't try to think of this as you would a typical circuit.
Remember that there are four connections to the power source.
In the same way you cannot plug an AC device into a DC source, and vice versa for many other things, you can't plug your AC device into a Sully DC source.
You could plug in a DC device by simply connecting both terminals of each polarity to the power input electrodes.
It would work the same as with normal continuous DC in that case.
"It was not my intention to doubt that the doctrines of the Illuminati, and the principles of Jacobinism, had not spread in the United States. On the contrary, no one is more fully satisfied of this fact than I am."
~George Washington, 1782 |
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Arch~Angel
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6/14/2006 8:25 PM
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From Dear Mr. Sullivan:
1st clue I'm working with hydrogen and bubbles, so I must be working with an electrolyte. Not a power supply wire and a resistor tied to ground. ( That's where you're stuck)
2nd clue I'm working with at least two or more electrodes that are coiled. what relationship would need to create a magnetic field? with a magnetic field reversal.
3rd clue there is a reversing current direction without a change in polarity. That's the dead give away. This is what makes it different from AC and DC. By definition its not either of those two.
4th clue it works in series or parallel
So I believe we have 3 No's and one firm maybe. can someone tell me how to produce a multi-directional current without a reversing polarity? I already know how. I'm not bragging, it has never been about me. I'm just trying to get you to think out of the box. This is were imagination and knowledge meet at the junction. It has been done, you can do it.
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The volt meter can read zero volts or remain a positive Voltage during the current reversal. As stated before the Voltage is cycling. The Voltage never drops below zero. There is always at least two electrodes. If I allow you to figure it out for yourself it will allow you to skip over phase 1&2. I enjoy both Physics and Scientific behavior study. This has been a great random study of both.
Last and final hint. It is a multi-phase DC circuit. That I call SDC. It can be produced from a AC or DC power source or If can be built from a multi-phase DC generator that I designed. Let it rip!!!
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Multi-phase DC is a new invention of mine that has been given a notice of allowance from the Patent office. I call it Sully Direct Current (SDC) "Trade mark pending". It works like AC but doesn't pass through zero or have a polarity change, the electrodes polarity remains constant at all times with current reversal.. It uses any current carrier such as capacitors, electrolytes, semiconductors etc to pass current between electrodes but not a direct connection such as wire. So far you are headed in the right direction. If it was 400 years ago and I told you the World was not flat I would be out numbered and called all of the things that have been said here. This is one of those things that you need to ease people into. In time you will be on my side.
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What is new is a DC circuit that has both Multi-directional current flow without a polarity reversal. Show me a DC circuit that has a magnetic field reversal and multi directional current flow without reversing polarity. I was told this was impossible. I've showned it is possible.I never said this was a new version of Ohm's law, what I said was Ohm's law was correct. But I did play a game to box you in, that I admit. It called a sense of humor.
[link to forum.physorg.com]
"It was not my intention to doubt that the doctrines of the Illuminati, and the principles of Jacobinism, had not spread in the United States. On the contrary, no one is more fully satisfied of this fact than I am."
~George Washington, 1782 |
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