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What was it about Moses that moved God to declare he was by far the meekest man upon the earth?

 
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Moses was a murderer , a mass murderer and a conman ...

Moses' Mass Murder

"Behold, these caused the children of Israel, through the counsel of Balaam, to commit trespass against the LORD in the matter of Peor, and there was a plague among the congregation of the LORD. Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves." (Numbers 31:16-18)

Exodus 2:11-15
Moses Commits Murder and Flees to Midian

11 In the course of time Moses grew up. Then he went to see his own people and watched them suffering under forced labor. He saw a Hebrew, one of his own people, being beaten by an Egyptian. 12 He looked all around, and when he didn’t see anyone, he beat the Egyptian to death and hid the body in the sand.

I really doubt that God would consider him the meekest man on earth...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 46448385


Moses was a mouthpiece for Jehovah, he simply carried out Jehovah's orders to execute the sex crimes that were committed.....


When Moses early in life, killed the Egyptian, he did that out of defense for his Hebrew brothers who were in slavery, perhaps thinking it was time to be used by Jehovah to deliver God's people, he acted presumptuously in this manner

It was not until 40 years later, after Jehovah had allowed him be refined as a man as he became a sheep herder in Midian, that Jehovah commissioned him to deliver the Hebrews

Yes, Jehovah certainly DID use him, .....as the Bible tells us
 Quoting: CelestialMaiden


Oh bullshit! There was also a time he ordered and helped carry out the orders to kill innocent infants.... Aside from that no loving.... Forgiving God is killing anyone over sex crimes.... Get a grip ... Analyze that damn book realistically... See it for what it really is... A book written by humans designed to manipulate and exploit masses... Then try to really get to know God ...
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Ummmmm.......nooooooooooo


"them 15 and that from infancy you have known the holy writings, which are able to make you wise for salvation through the faith in connection with Christ Jesus. 16 All Scripture is inspired of God and beneficial for teaching, for reproving, for setting things straight, for disciplining in righteousness, 17 that the man of God may be fully competent, completely equipped for every good work.
-2 Timothy 3:16
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Moses was a murderer , a mass murderer and a conman ...

Moses' Mass Murder

"Behold, these caused the children of Israel, through the counsel of Balaam, to commit trespass against the LORD in the matter of Peor, and there was a plague among the congregation of the LORD. Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves." (Numbers 31:16-18)

Exodus 2:11-15
Moses Commits Murder and Flees to Midian

11 In the course of time Moses grew up. Then he went to see his own people and watched them suffering under forced labor. He saw a Hebrew, one of his own people, being beaten by an Egyptian. 12 He looked all around, and when he didn’t see anyone, he beat the Egyptian to death and hid the body in the sand.

I really doubt that God would consider him the meekest man on earth...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 46448385


Moses was a mouthpiece for Jehovah, he simply carried out Jehovah's orders to execute the sex crimes that were committed.....


When Moses early in life, killed the Egyptian, he did that out of defense for his Hebrew brothers who were in slavery, perhaps thinking it was time to be used by Jehovah to deliver God's people, he acted presumptuously in this manner

It was not until 40 years later, after Jehovah had allowed him be refined as a man as he became a sheep herder in Midian, that Jehovah commissioned him to deliver the Hebrews

Yes, Jehovah certainly DID use him, .....as the Bible tells us
 Quoting: CelestialMaiden


Oh bullshit! There was also a time he ordered and helped carry out the orders to kill innocent infants.... Aside from that no loving.... Forgiving God is killing anyone over sex crimes.... Get a grip ... Analyze that damn book realistically... See it for what it really is... A book written by humans designed to manipulate and exploit masses... Then try to really get to know God ...
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He did not kill to defend his brothers... Even if he had there is no justification for murder...Egypt had laws and a great legal system... He killed the Egyptian because being the Pharos grandson had gone to his head and like a spoiled brat he had been running around being an obnoxious argumentative drunken lout...the Egyptian he killed... Was not the first... There were others... The one he wound up fleeing Egypt over and becoming a fugitive he killed right in town square and people had enough of his behavior by then ... They refused to live in fear of him anymore.. They went to the Pharo and demanded Moses be held accountable, taken to court and if found guilty face the same penalty anyone else would ... Which was the death sentence at that time.
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You sure added a whole lot of "scripture" to the story that is not there, could you, please, put the exact scriptures that you supposedly got that from rather than paraphrasing your own account of the story?

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Moses was a mouthpiece for Jehovah, he simply carried out Jehovah's orders to execute the sex crimes that were committed.....


When Moses early in life, killed the Egyptian, he did that out of defense for his Hebrew brothers who were in slavery, perhaps thinking it was time to be used by Jehovah to deliver God's people, he acted presumptuously in this manner

It was not until 40 years later, after Jehovah had allowed him be refined as a man as he became a sheep herder in Midian, that Jehovah commissioned him to deliver the Hebrews

Yes, Jehovah certainly DID use him, .....as the Bible tells us
 Quoting: CelestialMaiden


Oh bullshit! There was also a time he ordered and helped carry out the orders to kill innocent infants.... Aside from that no loving.... Forgiving God is killing anyone over sex crimes.... Get a grip ... Analyze that damn book realistically... See it for what it really is... A book written by humans designed to manipulate and exploit masses... Then try to really get to know God ...
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He did not kill to defend his brothers... Even if he had there is no justification for murder...Egypt had laws and a great legal system... He killed the Egyptian because being the Pharos grandson had gone to his head and like a spoiled brat he had been running around being an obnoxious argumentative drunken lout...the Egyptian he killed... Was not the first... There were others... The one he wound up fleeing Egypt over and becoming a fugitive he killed right in town square and people had enough of his behavior by then ... They refused to live in fear of him anymore.. They went to the Pharo and demanded Moses be held accountable, taken to court and if found guilty face the same penalty anyone else would ... Which was the death sentence at that time.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 46448385


You sure added a whole lot of "scripture" to the story that is not there, could you, please, put the exact scriptures that you supposedly got that from rather than paraphrasing your own account of the story?
 Quoting: CelestialMaiden






Here is a bit clearer and truthful and scriptural view of Moses in Egypt:




Imagine the life that Moses, a son of Amram, could have had. Raised among the royal offspring in ancient Egypt, Moses had within his grasp power, wealth, and influence. Moses could have reasoned: ‘I have been well-educated in the vaunted wisdom of Egypt, and I am powerful in word and deed. If I stay attached to the royal household, I can use my position to benefit my oppressed Hebrew brothers!’ (Acts 7:22) Instead, Moses chose to be “ill-treated with the people of God.” Why? What moved Moses to turn his back on all that Egypt had to offer? The Bible answers: “By faith [Moses] left Egypt, but not fearing the anger of the king, for he continued steadfast as seeing the One who is invisible.” (Hebrews 11:24-27) Moses’ faith in Jehovah’s sure reward for righteousness helped him to resist sin and indulgence and its fleeting pleasure.
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Moses was a murderer , a mass murderer and a conman ...

Moses' Mass Murder

"Behold, these caused the children of Israel, through the counsel of Balaam, to commit trespass against the LORD in the matter of Peor, and there was a plague among the congregation of the LORD. Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves." (Numbers 31:16-18)

Exodus 2:11-15
Moses Commits Murder and Flees to Midian

11 In the course of time Moses grew up. Then he went to see his own people and watched them suffering under forced labor. He saw a Hebrew, one of his own people, being beaten by an Egyptian. 12 He looked all around, and when he didn’t see anyone, he beat the Egyptian to death and hid the body in the sand.

I really doubt that God would consider him the meekest man on earth...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 46448385


Moses was a mouthpiece for Jehovah, he simply carried out Jehovah's orders to execute the sex crimes that were committed.....


When Moses early in life, killed the Egyptian, he did that out of defense for his Hebrew brothers who were in slavery, perhaps thinking it was time to be used by Jehovah to deliver God's people, he acted presumptuously in this manner

It was not until 40 years later, after Jehovah had allowed him be refined as a man as he became a sheep herder in Midian, that Jehovah commissioned him to deliver the Hebrews

Yes, Jehovah certainly DID use him, .....as the Bible tells us
 Quoting: CelestialMaiden


Oh bullshit! There was also a time he ordered and helped carry out the orders to kill innocent infants.... Aside from that no loving.... Forgiving God is killing anyone over sex crimes.... Get a grip ... Analyze that damn book realistically... See it for what it really is... A book written by humans designed to manipulate and exploit masses... Then try to really get to know God ...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 46448385




if you don't give God enough credit to have kept His Words alive and unadulterated to any large extent to the end of this Age...

then you have no business professing to "know Him" yourself

lol

He hasn't allowed humanity to have their way with His Words anymoreso than He has nor will allow them to have their way with the world, above and beyond that which He allows toward the eventual edification in and to truth of all hereupon
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Ha! If you don't give God enough credit and are arrogant enough to assume that he is inept enough to DESIGN you for sex but can't limit your behavior if he wanted to you have problems... God does not need anyone else to kill for him he is quite capable of doing that himself. If he wanted to restrict people sexually he would have ... He would have made sure you had sex only when and if and with whom he wanted you to have it with...he would not need to "give" Moses or anyone else orders to kill you. The octopus can only have sex once... The male dies immediately afterwards and the female dies immediately after giving birth...I can say with certainty God only wanted the octopus to experience sex once in it's lifetime... as far as humans he wants them to do whatever they want... Be it sex out of marriage...homosexuality... Or whatever... If he wanted it otherwise he would have made it so. Wishing you the best of luck when and if you ever encounter him... Trying to explain why you were arrogant enough to consider him inept and stupid...don't envy you that one...as far as " professing" of any kind ... I never did... Your lack of critical thinking skills and jumping to conclusions makes it a little easier for me to understand why you might fall for the nonsense in that book....
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Oh bullshit! There was also a time he ordered and helped carry out the orders to kill innocent infants.... Aside from that no loving.... Forgiving God is killing anyone over sex crimes.... Get a grip ... Analyze that damn book realistically... See it for what it really is... A book written by humans designed to manipulate and exploit masses... Then try to really get to know God ...
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He did not kill to defend his brothers... Even if he had there is no justification for murder...Egypt had laws and a great legal system... He killed the Egyptian because being the Pharos grandson had gone to his head and like a spoiled brat he had been running around being an obnoxious argumentative drunken lout...the Egyptian he killed... Was not the first... There were others... The one he wound up fleeing Egypt over and becoming a fugitive he killed right in town square and people had enough of his behavior by then ... They refused to live in fear of him anymore.. They went to the Pharo and demanded Moses be held accountable, taken to court and if found guilty face the same penalty anyone else would ... Which was the death sentence at that time.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 46448385


You sure added a whole lot of "scripture" to the story that is not there, could you, please, put the exact scriptures that you supposedly got that from rather than paraphrasing your own account of the story?
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Here is a bit clearer and truthful and scriptural view of Moses in Egypt:




Imagine the life that Moses, a son of Amram, could have had. Raised among the royal offspring in ancient Egypt, Moses had within his grasp power, wealth, and influence. Moses could have reasoned: ‘I have been well-educated in the vaunted wisdom of Egypt, and I am powerful in word and deed. If I stay attached to the royal household, I can use my position to benefit my oppressed Hebrew brothers!’ (Acts 7:22) Instead, Moses chose to be “ill-treated with the people of God.” Why? What moved Moses to turn his back on all that Egypt had to offer? The Bible answers: “By faith [Moses] left Egypt, but not fearing the anger of the king, for he continued steadfast as seeing the One who is invisible.” (Hebrews 11:24-27) Moses’ faith in Jehovah’s sure reward for righteousness helped him to resist sin and indulgence and its fleeting pleasure.
 Quoting: CelestialMaiden


Basically I was just doing a summation it would really take too long to copy/paste everything ... What I stated is all available from various sources in the bible and other religious texts and historical accounts.
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meek
adjective \ˈmēk\

: having or showing a quiet and gentle nature : not wanting to fight or argue with other people




Somehow I think a genocidal warlord like Moses doesn't qualify.
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Moses could hardly be called a warlord, it was Jehovah that parted the Red sea that swallowed up Pharaoh and his army- and that was after HOW many warnings to let the Hebrews go free from bondage and slavery?

Moses died in the wilderness, he was not to enter the Promised Land, where Joshua took the lead in subduing nations, so in what way was Moses a warlord?
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I did read the Bible once, to satisfy my curiosity, but I'm not a Christian, so I don't have the whole thing memorized. I just remember that Moses was a genocidal warlord.

That said, I googled Moses + war for you, and this popped up:

[link to theuglytruth.wordpress.com (secure)]

You should definitely read it!
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I looked at that Link and it is a complete mis representation of the facts, with added false information

My recommendation to you, since you said you have read the Bible once, but don't have it memorized, that if you want the TRUE story of Moses and the circumstances surrounding scourges or killings that did take place, (Which were brought by Jehovah himself by the way)...you might want to read the Bible yourself rather than these links that are presented by people who have some other agenda rather than seeking out Bible truthpeace
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Dumbass. The linked article points you to the exact places in the Bible where Moses is acting like a bloodthirsty genocidal warlord. If you're to dense to understand what the Bible spells out clearly, then we have nothing more to say to each other.
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Moses could hardly be called a warlord, it was Jehovah that parted the Red sea that swallowed up Pharaoh and his army- and that was after HOW many warnings to let the Hebrews go free from bondage and slavery?

Moses died in the wilderness, he was not to enter the Promised Land, where Joshua took the lead in subduing nations, so in what way was Moses a warlord?
 Quoting: CelestialMaiden


I did read the Bible once, to satisfy my curiosity, but I'm not a Christian, so I don't have the whole thing memorized. I just remember that Moses was a genocidal warlord.

That said, I googled Moses + war for you, and this popped up:

[link to theuglytruth.wordpress.com (secure)]

You should definitely read it!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 46998366


I looked at that Link and it is a complete mis representation of the facts, with added false information

My recommendation to you, since you said you have read the Bible once, but don't have it memorized, that if you want the TRUE story of Moses and the circumstances surrounding scourges or killings that did take place, (Which were brought by Jehovah himself by the way)...you might want to read the Bible yourself rather than these links that are presented by people who have some other agenda rather than seeking out Bible truthpeace
 Quoting: CelestialMaiden


Dumbass. The linked article points you to the exact places in the Bible where Moses is acting like a bloodthirsty genocidal warlord. If you're to dense to understand what the Bible spells out clearly, then we have nothing more to say to each other.
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One needs to read the entire account, and surrounding chapter, and prior chapter which state God's laws....

No one is saying there were not killings in the Bible, when the Ten Commandments were given much earlier on, Jehovah stated quite clear what the consequences were for certain action, when Moses followed Jehovah's direction in issuing punishment....he was doing as instructed

Why don't we focus for a moment on the good things Moses did, there were plenty
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He did not kill to defend his brothers... Even if he had there is no justification for murder...Egypt had laws and a great legal system... He killed the Egyptian because being the Pharos grandson had gone to his head and like a spoiled brat he had been running around being an obnoxious argumentative drunken lout...the Egyptian he killed... Was not the first... There were others... The one he wound up fleeing Egypt over and becoming a fugitive he killed right in town square and people had enough of his behavior by then ... They refused to live in fear of him anymore.. They went to the Pharo and demanded Moses be held accountable, taken to court and if found guilty face the same penalty anyone else would ... Which was the death sentence at that time.
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You sure added a whole lot of "scripture" to the story that is not there, could you, please, put the exact scriptures that you supposedly got that from rather than paraphrasing your own account of the story?
 Quoting: CelestialMaiden






Here is a bit clearer and truthful and scriptural view of Moses in Egypt:




Imagine the life that Moses, a son of Amram, could have had. Raised among the royal offspring in ancient Egypt, Moses had within his grasp power, wealth, and influence. Moses could have reasoned: ‘I have been well-educated in the vaunted wisdom of Egypt, and I am powerful in word and deed. If I stay attached to the royal household, I can use my position to benefit my oppressed Hebrew brothers!’ (Acts 7:22) Instead, Moses chose to be “ill-treated with the people of God.” Why? What moved Moses to turn his back on all that Egypt had to offer? The Bible answers: “By faith [Moses] left Egypt, but not fearing the anger of the king, for he continued steadfast as seeing the One who is invisible.” (Hebrews 11:24-27) Moses’ faith in Jehovah’s sure reward for righteousness helped him to resist sin and indulgence and its fleeting pleasure.
 Quoting: CelestialMaiden


Basically I was just doing a summation it would really take too long to copy/paste everything ... What I stated is all available from various sources in the bible and other religious texts and historical accounts.
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Well, I would like to see where Moses was a spoiled brat...whereas the Bible says he chose to be "ill treated with the Hebrews rather than indulge in sin
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Exodus 2:11-25


The next day he went out and saw two Hebrews fighting. He asked the one in the wrong, "Why are you hitting your fellow Hebrew?" 14 The man said, "Who made you ruler and judge over us? Are you thinking of killing me as you killed the Egyptian?" Then Moses was afraid and thought, "What I did must have become known."

Here's an example above... Don't have the time to give you every instance from all sources as I said... And frankly if you're going to believe in something
You should become familiar with the material and also read other historical and religious accounts before commuting yourself.
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He could barely speak and was nearly retarded. No offense Moses.
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Exodus 2:11-25


The next day he went out and saw two Hebrews fighting. He asked the one in the wrong, "Why are you hitting your fellow Hebrew?" 14 The man said, "Who made you ruler and judge over us? Are you thinking of killing me as you killed the Egyptian?" Then Moses was afraid and thought, "What I did must have become known."

Here's an example above... Don't have the time to give you every instance from all sources as I said... And frankly if you're going to believe in something
You should become familiar with the material and also read other historical and religious accounts before commuting yourself.
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Yes, Moses acted presumptuously, ahead of God's time table, it was not Jehovah's time to use Moses yet, that would come 40 years later
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if you don't give God enough credit to have kept His Words alive and unadulterated to any large extent to the end of this Age...

then you have no business professing to "know Him" yourself

lol

He hasn't allowed humanity to have their way with His Words anymoreso than He has nor will allow them to have their way with the world, above and beyond that which He allows toward the eventual edification in and to truth of all hereupon
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Have you ever heard of the Council of Nicea? Man has had his way with the bible and every other sacred text that exists.

If "God" exists it's hard to imagine that the Bible we have today is a representation of "His" guidance and instruction, given the number of contradictions and errors it contains. That is unless "God" never meant it to be an infallible list of do's and don'ts but something more subtle and mysterious.

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He could barely speak and was nearly retarded. No offense Moses.
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Which glorifies God's power even more:



"For YOU behold his calling of YOU, brothers, that not many wise in a fleshly way were called, not many powerful, not many of noble birth; 27 but God chose the foolish things of the world, that he might put the wise men to shame; and God chose the weak things of the world, that he might put the strong things to shame; 28 and God chose the ignoble things of the world and the things looked down upon, the things that are not, that he might bring to nothing the things that are, 29 in order that no flesh might boast in the sight of God."- 1 Corinthians 1:6-9
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Yes
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if you don't give God enough credit to have kept His Words alive and unadulterated to any large extent to the end of this Age...

then you have no business professing to "know Him" yourself

lol

He hasn't allowed humanity to have their way with His Words anymoreso than He has nor will allow them to have their way with the world, above and beyond that which He allows toward the eventual edification in and to truth of all hereupon
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 55245135


Have you ever heard of the Council of Nicea? Man has had his way with the bible and every other sacred text that exists.

If "God" exists it's hard to imagine that the Bible we have today is a representation of "His" guidance and instruction, given the number of contradictions and errors it contains. That is unless "God" never meant it to be an infallible list of do's and don'ts but something more subtle and mysterious.

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Yes I heard of the Council of Nicaea

Something to research is the finding of the Dead Sea Scrolls in the caves of Israel, their comparison of those scrolls with modern day Bibles show very little change in content, with exception of some spelling- Jehovah has made sure his Word has come down to us preserved, if he can create the universe, he can preserve a book
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aaron, moses' brother, apparently had a gift for public speaking - whereas moses did not like doing such.
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So this is how Jehovah took care of that problem:



"Moses now said to Jehovah: “Excuse me, Jehovah, but I am not a fluent speaker, neither since yesterday nor since before that nor since your speaking to your servant, for I am slow of mouth and slow of tongue.” 11 At that Jehovah said to him: “Who appointed a mouth for man or who appoints the speechless or the deaf or the clear-sighted or the blind? Is it not I, Jehovah? 12 So now go, and I myself shall prove to be with your mouth and I will teach you what you ought to say.” 13 But he said: “Excuse me, Jehovah, but send, please, by the hand of the one whom you are going to send.” 14 Then Jehovah’s anger grew hot against Moses and he said: “Is not Aaron the Levite your brother? I do know that he can really speak. And, besides, here he is on his way out to meet you. When he does see you, he will certainly rejoice in his heart. 15 And you must speak to him and put the words in his mouth; and I myself shall prove to be with your mouth and his mouth, and I will teach YOU men what YOU are to do. 16 And he must speak for you to the people; and it must occur that he will serve as a mouth to you, and you will serve as God to him. 17 And this rod you will take in your hand that you may perform the signs with it.”- Numbers 4:10-17
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Yes
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if you don't give God enough credit to have kept His Words alive and unadulterated to any large extent to the end of this Age...

then you have no business professing to "know Him" yourself

lol

He hasn't allowed humanity to have their way with His Words anymoreso than He has nor will allow them to have their way with the world, above and beyond that which He allows toward the eventual edification in and to truth of all hereupon
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 55245135


Have you ever heard of the Council of Nicea? Man has had his way with the bible and every other sacred text that exists.

If "God" exists it's hard to imagine that the Bible we have today is a representation of "His" guidance and instruction, given the number of contradictions and errors it contains. That is unless "God" never meant it to be an infallible list of do's and don'ts but something more subtle and mysterious.

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Yes I heard of the Council of Nicaea

Something to research is the finding of the Dead Sea Scrolls in the caves of Israel, their comparison of those scrolls with modern day Bibles show very little change in content, with exception of some spelling- Jehovah has made sure his Word has come down to us preserved, if he can create the universe, he can preserve a book
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So he intended it to be contradictory, fallible, and subject to interpretation? I'd be fine with that, since real life is like that too. It just makes using the texts to judge the behavior of others as problematic.

If your going to use the "accurate copy" proof, we'd have to say the only book in the bible God really cared about was the Book of Isaiah. Short of trivial punctuation and spelling differences the modern version and the Qumran version are identical. This shows the capability of scribes to faithfully reproduce the work intact over a large span of time.

However, in cave 4 of Qumran they found copies of every Old Testament text except Esther and Nehemiah. Those copies have significant differences from the Masoretic tradition and today's Bible. For example today's version of Jeremiah is an expanded version of the found at Qumran, while today's Exodus is a condensed version of the one at Qumran.

Given the precision Isaiah shows us was possible, the clear message is that everything else was subject to editorial review. So either God changed his mind or the scribes changed it for him.

In reference to your comment that "if he can create the universe, he can preserve a book", let's break that down. "IF he can create the universe" is a stipulation. For the sake of discussion let's accept it as true. "Then he CAN preserve a book." However, except for Isaiah, the book wasn't preserved. Luckily the word CAN is in there so that we can't logically imply that because the book wasn't preserved, God can't have made the universe.

So we"re left with the following. IF God can create the universe, then he can preserve a book, but chooses not to. Nothing wrong with that, other than it means the Bible is like every other Sacred Text passed down over time. Subject to the political and social whims of the day.

Anyway, I was speaking to the Council of Nicea's creation of the New Testament with it's five different versions of the same story, and convenient elimination of several Gospels, such as the Gospel of Thomas and the Gospel of Mary.

All together these facts in my opinion are indications the bible may be inspiring, but it is not Inspired.

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if you don't give God enough credit to have kept His Words alive and unadulterated to any large extent to the end of this Age...

then you have no business professing to "know Him" yourself

lol

He hasn't allowed humanity to have their way with His Words anymoreso than He has nor will allow them to have their way with the world, above and beyond that which He allows toward the eventual edification in and to truth of all hereupon
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Have you ever heard of the Council of Nicea? Man has had his way with the bible and every other sacred text that exists.

If "God" exists it's hard to imagine that the Bible we have today is a representation of "His" guidance and instruction, given the number of contradictions and errors it contains. That is unless "God" never meant it to be an infallible list of do's and don'ts but something more subtle and mysterious.

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Yes I heard of the Council of Nicaea

Something to research is the finding of the Dead Sea Scrolls in the caves of Israel, their comparison of those scrolls with modern day Bibles show very little change in content, with exception of some spelling- Jehovah has made sure his Word has come down to us preserved, if he can create the universe, he can preserve a book
 Quoting: CelestialMaiden

So he intended it to be contradictory, fallible, and subject to interpretation? I'd be fine with that, since real life is like that too. It just makes using the texts to judge the behavior of others as problematic.

If your going to use the "accurate copy" proof, we'd have to say the only book in the bible God really cared about was the Book of Isaiah. Short of trivial punctuation and spelling differences the modern version and the Qumran version are identical. This shows the capability of scribes to faithfully reproduce the work intact over a large span of time.

However, in cave 4 of Qumran they found copies of every Old Testament text except Esther and Nehemiah. Those copies have significant differences from the Masoretic tradition and today's Bible. For example today's version of Jeremiah is an expanded version of the found at Qumran, while today's Exodus is a condensed version of the one at Qumran.

Given the precision Isaiah shows us was possible, the clear message is that everything else was subject to editorial review. So either God changed his mind or the scribes changed it for him.

In reference to your comment that "if he can create the universe, he can preserve a book", let's break that down. "IF he can create the universe" is a stipulation. For the sake of discussion let's accept it as true. "Then he CAN preserve a book." However, except for Isaiah, the book wasn't preserved. Luckily the word CAN is in there so that we can't logically imply that because the book wasn't preserved, God can't have made the universe.

So we"re left with the following. IF God can create the universe, then he can preserve a book, but chooses not to. Nothing wrong with that, other than it means the Bible is like every other Sacred Text passed down over time. Subject to the political and social whims of the day.

Anyway, I was speaking to the Council of Nicea's creation of the New Testament with it's five different versions of the same story, and convenient elimination of several Gospels, such as the Gospel of Thomas and the Gospel of Mary.

All together these facts in my opinion are indications the bible may be inspiring, but it is not Inspired.

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Well, we agree on one thing, probably the only thing in this discussion, and that is the value of the Book of Isaiah It being one of my favorites and it paints a vivid portrayal of Jehovah's promises to bring about a Messiah, and to bring about Paradise conditions back to this earth again.....and when he is resurrected back to earth, wont he and Moses have a lot to talk about!
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if you don't give God enough credit to have kept His Words alive and unadulterated to any large extent to the end of this Age...

then you have no business professing to "know Him" yourself

lol

He hasn't allowed humanity to have their way with His Words anymoreso than He has nor will allow them to have their way with the world, above and beyond that which He allows toward the eventual edification in and to truth of all hereupon
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 55245135


Have you ever heard of the Council of Nicea? Man has had his way with the bible and every other sacred text that exists.

If "God" exists it's hard to imagine that the Bible we have today is a representation of "His" guidance and instruction, given the number of contradictions and errors it contains. That is unless "God" never meant it to be an infallible list of do's and don'ts but something more subtle and mysterious.

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Yes I heard of the Council of Nicaea

Something to research is the finding of the Dead Sea Scrolls in the caves of Israel, their comparison of those scrolls with modern day Bibles show very little change in content, with exception of some spelling- Jehovah has made sure his Word has come down to us preserved, if he can create the universe, he can preserve a book
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Yes he can, often matching word for word, in the finest details and all.
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Well, we agree on one thing, probably the only thing in this discussion, and that is the value of the Book of Isaiah It being one of my favorites and it paints a vivid portrayal of Jehovah's promises to bring about a Messiah, and to bring about Paradise conditions back to this earth again.....and when he is resurrected back to earth, wont he and Moses have a lot to talk about!
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We might not see eye to eye, but given you're the first Christian on GLP I've been able to have a sustained respectful dialog with, I'm betting we do see heart to heart.

As to Isaiah, well see, now you've caught me out. I actually don't recall the Book of Isaiah, so now I'm going to have to go and give it another read. At least with this one there's no point in collecting a bunch of different bibles (Septuagint, Vulgate, etc) to read it, since it's the same in all of them!

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ps: as to future discussions with Moses, do you suppose he's gotten over his "stone tongue"? Probably, he's had quite a lot of time to work on it, and if it was biologically based, he'll probably be "cured" when he get his resurrected body.
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Well, we agree on one thing, probably the only thing in this discussion, and that is the value of the Book of Isaiah It being one of my favorites and it paints a vivid portrayal of Jehovah's promises to bring about a Messiah, and to bring about Paradise conditions back to this earth again.....and when he is resurrected back to earth, wont he and Moses have a lot to talk about!
 Quoting: CelestialMaiden


We might not see eye to eye, but given you're the first Christian on GLP I've been able to have a sustained respectful dialog with, I'm betting we do see heart to heart.

As to Isaiah, well see, now you've caught me out. I actually don't recall the Book of Isaiah, so now I'm going to have to go and give it another read. At least with this one there's no point in collecting a bunch of different bibles (Septuagint, Vulgate, etc) to read it, since it's the same in all of them!

aHEMagain

ps: as to future discussions with Moses, do you suppose he's gotten over his "stone tongue"? Probably, he's had quite a lot of time to work on it, and if it was biologically based, he'll probably be "cured" when he get his resurrected body.
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Here's a glimpse of life Isaiah provides during the 1,000 year reign, when Jehovah resurrects the dead and gives the back to the people;
"And they will certainly build houses and have occupancy; and they will certainly plant vineyards and eat [their] fruitage. 22 They will not build and someone else have occupancy; they will not plant and someone else do the eating. For like the days of a tree will the days of my people be; and the work of their own hands my chosen ones will use to the full. 23 They will not toil for nothing, nor will they bring to birth for disturbance; because they are the offspring made up of the blessed ones of Jehovah, and their descendants with them. 24 And it will actually occur that before they call out I myself shall answer; while they are yet speaking, I myself shall hear.
25 “The wolf and the lamb themselves will feed as one, and the lion will eat straw just like the bull; and as for the serpent, his food will be dust. They will do no harm nor cause any ruin in all my holy mountain,” Jehovah has said." Isa65:21
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Well, we agree on one thing, probably the only thing in this discussion, and that is the value of the Book of Isaiah It being one of my favorites and it paints a vivid portrayal of Jehovah's promises to bring about a Messiah, and to bring about Paradise conditions back to this earth again.....and when he is resurrected back to earth, wont he and Moses have a lot to talk about!
 Quoting: CelestialMaiden


We might not see eye to eye, but given you're the first Christian on GLP I've been able to have a sustained respectful dialog with, I'm betting we do see heart to heart.

As to Isaiah, well see, now you've caught me out. I actually don't recall the Book of Isaiah, so now I'm going to have to go and give it another read. At least with this one there's no point in collecting a bunch of different bibles (Septuagint, Vulgate, etc) to read it, since it's the same in all of them!

aHEMagain

ps: as to future discussions with Moses, do you suppose he's gotten over his "stone tongue"? Probably, he's had quite a lot of time to work on it, and if it was biologically based, he'll probably be "cured" when he get his resurrected body.
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Yes, seeing heart to heart is manageable!

As for Moses, what ever speech impediment he had will be healed in the resurrection, as will all other infirmities

As you read Isaiah, look for those points, such as this scripture I am sharing with you from Isaiah and the one DGN did

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"At that time the eyes of the blind ones will be opened, and the very ears of the deaf ones will be unstopped. 6 At that time the lame one will climb up just as a stag does, and the tongue of the speechless one will cry out in gladness. For in the wilderness waters will have burst out, and torrents in the desert plain. 7 And the heat-parched ground will have become as a reedy pool, and the thirsty ground as springs of water. In the abiding place of jackals, a resting-place for [them], there will be green grass with reeds and papyrus plants."-Isaiah 35:5-7
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Well, we agree on one thing, probably the only thing in this discussion, and that is the value of the Book of Isaiah It being one of my favorites and it paints a vivid portrayal of Jehovah's promises to bring about a Messiah, and to bring about Paradise conditions back to this earth again.....and when he is resurrected back to earth, wont he and Moses have a lot to talk about!
 Quoting: CelestialMaiden


We might not see eye to eye, but given you're the first Christian on GLP I've been able to have a sustained respectful dialog with, I'm betting we do see heart to heart.

As to Isaiah, well see, now you've caught me out. I actually don't recall the Book of Isaiah, so now I'm going to have to go and give it another read. At least with this one there's no point in collecting a bunch of different bibles (Septuagint, Vulgate, etc) to read it, since it's the same in all of them!

aHEMagain

ps: as to future discussions with Moses, do you suppose he's gotten over his "stone tongue"? Probably, he's had quite a lot of time to work on it, and if it was biologically based, he'll probably be "cured" when he get his resurrected body.
 Quoting: aHEMagain

Yes, seeing heart to heart is manageable!

As for Moses, what ever speech impediment he had will be healed in the resurrection, as will all other infirmities

As you read Isaiah, look for those points, such as this scripture I am sharing with you from Isaiah and the one DGN did

peace







"At that time the eyes of the blind ones will be opened, and the very ears of the deaf ones will be unstopped. 6 At that time the lame one will climb up just as a stag does, and the tongue of the speechless one will cry out in gladness. For in the wilderness waters will have burst out, and torrents in the desert plain. 7 And the heat-parched ground will have become as a reedy pool, and the thirsty ground as springs of water. In the abiding place of jackals, a resting-place for [them], there will be green grass with reeds and papyrus plants."-Isaiah 35:5-7
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And here is another one, in case you venture back to this thread:


"And the wolf will actually reside for a while with the male lamb, and with the kid the leopard itself will lie down, and the calf and the maned young lion and the well-fed animal all together; and a mere little boy will be leader over them. 7 And the cow and the bear themselves will feed; together their young ones will lie down. And even the lion will eat straw just like the bull. 8 And the sucking child will certainly play upon the hole of the cobra; and upon the light aperture of a poisonous snake will a weaned child actually put his own hand. 9 They will not do any harm or cause any ruin in all my holy mountain; because the earth will certainly be filled with the knowledge of Jehovah as the waters are covering the very sea."- Isaiah 11:6-9
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He already had the sandals, the staff, and a great beard, you know, .... the right look?

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He already had the sandals, the staff, and a great beard, you know, .... the right look?

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The best part of that clip is Mel Brooks uses Jehovah's name
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Very simply...Moses was humble, he had no pride of himself.

He was the son of a slave with a speech impediment raised in a royal court of the most powerful kingdom on earth.

Dont mistake meekness with weakness...meekness is humility.

Without the spirit of God this meek man would not have accomplished what he did, which is why he was chosen.

He was known to pharoh when he was sent and was scoffed at for his demands, which allowed the egyptians to see for themselves the might of the God of the hebrews in the plagues that befell them, and the defeat of the egyptians at the red sea would send them into the dark age at the end of the old kingdom.
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Very simply...Moses was humble, he had no pride of himself.

He was the son of a slave with a speech impediment raised in a royal court of the most powerful kingdom on earth.

Dont mistake meekness with weakness...meekness is humility.

Without the spirit of God this meek man would not have accomplished what he did, which is why he was chosen.

He was known to pharoh when he was sent and was scoffed at for his demands, which allowed the egyptians to see for themselves the might of the God of the hebrews in the plagues that befell them, and the defeat of the egyptians at the red sea would send them into the dark age at the end of the old kingdom.
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Meekness takes great inner strength as well
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Moses came down from the mountain after meeting with God in the burning bush and Moses's face shown or radiated. This radiant skin Moses had was the state of man at the time of Adam before the fall - they too had radiating skin or as the Bible calls it white raiment.

After the earth passes away all God's people will once again be in God's presence and have this radiating skin.

Revelation 3:5 "He that overcomes, the same shall be clothed in white raiment;"

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He already had the sandals, the staff, and a great beard, you know, .... the right look?

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The best part of that clip is Mel Brooks uses Jehovah's name
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lmao

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He already had the sandals, the staff, and a great beard, you know, .... the right look?

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The best part of that clip is Mel Brooks uses Jehovah's name
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Yeah.... imagine what he might have blurted out when blew it dropping a tablet.
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He already had the sandals, the staff, and a great beard, you know, .... the right look?

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The best part of that clip is Mel Brooks uses Jehovah's name
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Yeah.... imagine what he might have blurted out when blew it dropping a tablet.
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Probably just "OOPS"cool2

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