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What was it about Moses that moved God to declare he was by far the meekest man upon the earth?

 
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Moses was a murderer , a mass murderer and a conman ...

Moses' Mass Murder

"Behold, these caused the children of Israel, through the counsel of Balaam, to commit trespass against the LORD in the matter of Peor, and there was a plague among the congregation of the LORD. Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves." (Numbers 31:16-18)

Exodus 2:11-15
Moses Commits Murder and Flees to Midian

11 In the course of time Moses grew up. Then he went to see his own people and watched them suffering under forced labor. He saw a Hebrew, one of his own people, being beaten by an Egyptian. 12 He looked all around, and when he didn’t see anyone, he beat the Egyptian to death and hid the body in the sand.

I really doubt that God would consider him the meekest man on earth...
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Moses was a mouthpiece for Jehovah, he simply carried out Jehovah's orders to execute the sex crimes that were committed.....


When Moses early in life, killed the Egyptian, he did that out of defense for his Hebrew brothers who were in slavery, perhaps thinking it was time to be used by Jehovah to deliver God's people, he acted presumptuously in this manner

It was not until 40 years later, after Jehovah had allowed him be refined as a man as he became a sheep herder in Midian, that Jehovah commissioned him to deliver the Hebrews

Yes, Jehovah certainly DID use him, .....as the Bible tells us
 Quoting: CelestialMaiden


Oh bullshit! There was also a time he ordered and helped carry out the orders to kill innocent infants.... Aside from that no loving.... Forgiving God is killing anyone over sex crimes.... Get a grip ... Analyze that damn book realistically... See it for what it really is... A book written by humans designed to manipulate and exploit masses... Then try to really get to know God ...
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He did not kill to defend his brothers... Even if he had there is no justification for murder...Egypt had laws and a great legal system... He killed the Egyptian because being the Pharos grandson had gone to his head and like a spoiled brat he had been running around being an obnoxious argumentative drunken lout...the Egyptian he killed... Was not the first... There were others... The one he wound up fleeing Egypt over and becoming a fugitive he killed right in town square and people had enough of his behavior by then ... They refused to live in fear of him anymore.. They went to the Pharo and demanded Moses be held accountable, taken to court and if found guilty face the same penalty anyone else would ... Which was the death sentence at that time.
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You sure added a whole lot of "scripture" to the story that is not there, could you, please, put the exact scriptures that you supposedly got that from rather than paraphrasing your own account of the story?

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Moses was a mouthpiece for Jehovah, he simply carried out Jehovah's orders to execute the sex crimes that were committed.....


When Moses early in life, killed the Egyptian, he did that out of defense for his Hebrew brothers who were in slavery, perhaps thinking it was time to be used by Jehovah to deliver God's people, he acted presumptuously in this manner

It was not until 40 years later, after Jehovah had allowed him be refined as a man as he became a sheep herder in Midian, that Jehovah commissioned him to deliver the Hebrews

Yes, Jehovah certainly DID use him, .....as the Bible tells us
 Quoting: CelestialMaiden


Oh bullshit! There was also a time he ordered and helped carry out the orders to kill innocent infants.... Aside from that no loving.... Forgiving God is killing anyone over sex crimes.... Get a grip ... Analyze that damn book realistically... See it for what it really is... A book written by humans designed to manipulate and exploit masses... Then try to really get to know God ...
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He did not kill to defend his brothers... Even if he had there is no justification for murder...Egypt had laws and a great legal system... He killed the Egyptian because being the Pharos grandson had gone to his head and like a spoiled brat he had been running around being an obnoxious argumentative drunken lout...the Egyptian he killed... Was not the first... There were others... The one he wound up fleeing Egypt over and becoming a fugitive he killed right in town square and people had enough of his behavior by then ... They refused to live in fear of him anymore.. They went to the Pharo and demanded Moses be held accountable, taken to court and if found guilty face the same penalty anyone else would ... Which was the death sentence at that time.
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You sure added a whole lot of "scripture" to the story that is not there, could you, please, put the exact scriptures that you supposedly got that from rather than paraphrasing your own account of the story?
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Here is a bit clearer and truthful and scriptural view of Moses in Egypt:




Imagine the life that Moses, a son of Amram, could have had. Raised among the royal offspring in ancient Egypt, Moses had within his grasp power, wealth, and influence. Moses could have reasoned: ‘I have been well-educated in the vaunted wisdom of Egypt, and I am powerful in word and deed. If I stay attached to the royal household, I can use my position to benefit my oppressed Hebrew brothers!’ (Acts 7:22) Instead, Moses chose to be “ill-treated with the people of God.” Why? What moved Moses to turn his back on all that Egypt had to offer? The Bible answers: “By faith [Moses] left Egypt, but not fearing the anger of the king, for he continued steadfast as seeing the One who is invisible.” (Hebrews 11:24-27) Moses’ faith in Jehovah’s sure reward for righteousness helped him to resist sin and indulgence and its fleeting pleasure.
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Moses was a murderer , a mass murderer and a conman ...

Moses' Mass Murder

"Behold, these caused the children of Israel, through the counsel of Balaam, to commit trespass against the LORD in the matter of Peor, and there was a plague among the congregation of the LORD. Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves." (Numbers 31:16-18)

Exodus 2:11-15
Moses Commits Murder and Flees to Midian

11 In the course of time Moses grew up. Then he went to see his own people and watched them suffering under forced labor. He saw a Hebrew, one of his own people, being beaten by an Egyptian. 12 He looked all around, and when he didn’t see anyone, he beat the Egyptian to death and hid the body in the sand.

I really doubt that God would consider him the meekest man on earth...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 46448385


Moses was a mouthpiece for Jehovah, he simply carried out Jehovah's orders to execute the sex crimes that were committed.....


When Moses early in life, killed the Egyptian, he did that out of defense for his Hebrew brothers who were in slavery, perhaps thinking it was time to be used by Jehovah to deliver God's people, he acted presumptuously in this manner

It was not until 40 years later, after Jehovah had allowed him be refined as a man as he became a sheep herder in Midian, that Jehovah commissioned him to deliver the Hebrews

Yes, Jehovah certainly DID use him, .....as the Bible tells us
 Quoting: CelestialMaiden


Oh bullshit! There was also a time he ordered and helped carry out the orders to kill innocent infants.... Aside from that no loving.... Forgiving God is killing anyone over sex crimes.... Get a grip ... Analyze that damn book realistically... See it for what it really is... A book written by humans designed to manipulate and exploit masses... Then try to really get to know God ...
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if you don't give God enough credit to have kept His Words alive and unadulterated to any large extent to the end of this Age...

then you have no business professing to "know Him" yourself

lol

He hasn't allowed humanity to have their way with His Words anymoreso than He has nor will allow them to have their way with the world, above and beyond that which He allows toward the eventual edification in and to truth of all hereupon
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Ha! If you don't give God enough credit and are arrogant enough to assume that he is inept enough to DESIGN you for sex but can't limit your behavior if he wanted to you have problems... God does not need anyone else to kill for him he is quite capable of doing that himself. If he wanted to restrict people sexually he would have ... He would have made sure you had sex only when and if and with whom he wanted you to have it with...he would not need to "give" Moses or anyone else orders to kill you. The octopus can only have sex once... The male dies immediately afterwards and the female dies immediately after giving birth...I can say with certainty God only wanted the octopus to experience sex once in it's lifetime... as far as humans he wants them to do whatever they want... Be it sex out of marriage...homosexuality... Or whatever... If he wanted it otherwise he would have made it so. Wishing you the best of luck when and if you ever encounter him... Trying to explain why you were arrogant enough to consider him inept and stupid...don't envy you that one...as far as " professing" of any kind ... I never did... Your lack of critical thinking skills and jumping to conclusions makes it a little easier for me to understand why you might fall for the nonsense in that book....
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Oh bullshit! There was also a time he ordered and helped carry out the orders to kill innocent infants.... Aside from that no loving.... Forgiving God is killing anyone over sex crimes.... Get a grip ... Analyze that damn book realistically... See it for what it really is... A book written by humans designed to manipulate and exploit masses... Then try to really get to know God ...
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He did not kill to defend his brothers... Even if he had there is no justification for murder...Egypt had laws and a great legal system... He killed the Egyptian because being the Pharos grandson had gone to his head and like a spoiled brat he had been running around being an obnoxious argumentative drunken lout...the Egyptian he killed... Was not the first... There were others... The one he wound up fleeing Egypt over and becoming a fugitive he killed right in town square and people had enough of his behavior by then ... They refused to live in fear of him anymore.. They went to the Pharo and demanded Moses be held accountable, taken to court and if found guilty face the same penalty anyone else would ... Which was the death sentence at that time.
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You sure added a whole lot of "scripture" to the story that is not there, could you, please, put the exact scriptures that you supposedly got that from rather than paraphrasing your own account of the story?
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Here is a bit clearer and truthful and scriptural view of Moses in Egypt:




Imagine the life that Moses, a son of Amram, could have had. Raised among the royal offspring in ancient Egypt, Moses had within his grasp power, wealth, and influence. Moses could have reasoned: ‘I have been well-educated in the vaunted wisdom of Egypt, and I am powerful in word and deed. If I stay attached to the royal household, I can use my position to benefit my oppressed Hebrew brothers!’ (Acts 7:22) Instead, Moses chose to be “ill-treated with the people of God.” Why? What moved Moses to turn his back on all that Egypt had to offer? The Bible answers: “By faith [Moses] left Egypt, but not fearing the anger of the king, for he continued steadfast as seeing the One who is invisible.” (Hebrews 11:24-27) Moses’ faith in Jehovah’s sure reward for righteousness helped him to resist sin and indulgence and its fleeting pleasure.
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Basically I was just doing a summation it would really take too long to copy/paste everything ... What I stated is all available from various sources in the bible and other religious texts and historical accounts.
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meek
adjective \ˈmēk\

: having or showing a quiet and gentle nature : not wanting to fight or argue with other people




Somehow I think a genocidal warlord like Moses doesn't qualify.
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Moses could hardly be called a warlord, it was Jehovah that parted the Red sea that swallowed up Pharaoh and his army- and that was after HOW many warnings to let the Hebrews go free from bondage and slavery?

Moses died in the wilderness, he was not to enter the Promised Land, where Joshua took the lead in subduing nations, so in what way was Moses a warlord?
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I did read the Bible once, to satisfy my curiosity, but I'm not a Christian, so I don't have the whole thing memorized. I just remember that Moses was a genocidal warlord.

That said, I googled Moses + war for you, and this popped up:

[link to theuglytruth.wordpress.com (secure)]

You should definitely read it!
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I looked at that Link and it is a complete mis representation of the facts, with added false information

My recommendation to you, since you said you have read the Bible once, but don't have it memorized, that if you want the TRUE story of Moses and the circumstances surrounding scourges or killings that did take place, (Which were brought by Jehovah himself by the way)...you might want to read the Bible yourself rather than these links that are presented by people who have some other agenda rather than seeking out Bible truthpeace
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Dumbass. The linked article points you to the exact places in the Bible where Moses is acting like a bloodthirsty genocidal warlord. If you're to dense to understand what the Bible spells out clearly, then we have nothing more to say to each other.
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Moses could hardly be called a warlord, it was Jehovah that parted the Red sea that swallowed up Pharaoh and his army- and that was after HOW many warnings to let the Hebrews go free from bondage and slavery?

Moses died in the wilderness, he was not to enter the Promised Land, where Joshua took the lead in subduing nations, so in what way was Moses a warlord?
 Quoting: CelestialMaiden


I did read the Bible once, to satisfy my curiosity, but I'm not a Christian, so I don't have the whole thing memorized. I just remember that Moses was a genocidal warlord.

That said, I googled Moses + war for you, and this popped up:

[link to theuglytruth.wordpress.com (secure)]

You should definitely read it!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 46998366


I looked at that Link and it is a complete mis representation of the facts, with added false information

My recommendation to you, since you said you have read the Bible once, but don't have it memorized, that if you want the TRUE story of Moses and the circumstances surrounding scourges or killings that did take place, (Which were brought by Jehovah himself by the way)...you might want to read the Bible yourself rather than these links that are presented by people who have some other agenda rather than seeking out Bible truthpeace
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Dumbass. The linked article points you to the exact places in the Bible where Moses is acting like a bloodthirsty genocidal warlord. If you're to dense to understand what the Bible spells out clearly, then we have nothing more to say to each other.
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One needs to read the entire account, and surrounding chapter, and prior chapter which state God's laws....

No one is saying there were not killings in the Bible, when the Ten Commandments were given much earlier on, Jehovah stated quite clear what the consequences were for certain action, when Moses followed Jehovah's direction in issuing punishment....he was doing as instructed

Why don't we focus for a moment on the good things Moses did, there were plenty
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He did not kill to defend his brothers... Even if he had there is no justification for murder...Egypt had laws and a great legal system... He killed the Egyptian because being the Pharos grandson had gone to his head and like a spoiled brat he had been running around being an obnoxious argumentative drunken lout...the Egyptian he killed... Was not the first... There were others... The one he wound up fleeing Egypt over and becoming a fugitive he killed right in town square and people had enough of his behavior by then ... They refused to live in fear of him anymore.. They went to the Pharo and demanded Moses be held accountable, taken to court and if found guilty face the same penalty anyone else would ... Which was the death sentence at that time.
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You sure added a whole lot of "scripture" to the story that is not there, could you, please, put the exact scriptures that you supposedly got that from rather than paraphrasing your own account of the story?
 Quoting: CelestialMaiden






Here is a bit clearer and truthful and scriptural view of Moses in Egypt:




Imagine the life that Moses, a son of Amram, could have had. Raised among the royal offspring in ancient Egypt, Moses had within his grasp power, wealth, and influence. Moses could have reasoned: ‘I have been well-educated in the vaunted wisdom of Egypt, and I am powerful in word and deed. If I stay attached to the royal household, I can use my position to benefit my oppressed Hebrew brothers!’ (Acts 7:22) Instead, Moses chose to be “ill-treated with the people of God.” Why? What moved Moses to turn his back on all that Egypt had to offer? The Bible answers: “By faith [Moses] left Egypt, but not fearing the anger of the king, for he continued steadfast as seeing the One who is invisible.” (Hebrews 11:24-27) Moses’ faith in Jehovah’s sure reward for righteousness helped him to resist sin and indulgence and its fleeting pleasure.
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Basically I was just doing a summation it would really take too long to copy/paste everything ... What I stated is all available from various sources in the bible and other religious texts and historical accounts.
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Well, I would like to see where Moses was a spoiled brat...whereas the Bible says he chose to be "ill treated with the Hebrews rather than indulge in sin
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Exodus 2:11-25


The next day he went out and saw two Hebrews fighting. He asked the one in the wrong, "Why are you hitting your fellow Hebrew?" 14 The man said, "Who made you ruler and judge over us? Are you thinking of killing me as you killed the Egyptian?" Then Moses was afraid and thought, "What I did must have become known."

Here's an example above... Don't have the time to give you every instance from all sources as I said... And frankly if you're going to believe in something
You should become familiar with the material and also read other historical and religious accounts before commuting yourself.
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He could barely speak and was nearly retarded. No offense Moses.
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Exodus 2:11-25


The next day he went out and saw two Hebrews fighting. He asked the one in the wrong, "Why are you hitting your fellow Hebrew?" 14 The man said, "Who made you ruler and judge over us? Are you thinking of killing me as you killed the Egyptian?" Then Moses was afraid and thought, "What I did must have become known."

Here's an example above... Don't have the time to give you every instance from all sources as I said... And frankly if you're going to believe in something
You should become familiar with the material and also read other historical and religious accounts before commuting yourself.
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Yes, Moses acted presumptuously, ahead of God's time table, it was not Jehovah's time to use Moses yet, that would come 40 years later
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He could barely speak and was nearly retarded. No offense Moses.
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Which glorifies God's power even more:



"For YOU behold his calling of YOU, brothers, that not many wise in a fleshly way were called, not many powerful, not many of noble birth; 27 but God chose the foolish things of the world, that he might put the wise men to shame; and God chose the weak things of the world, that he might put the strong things to shame; 28 and God chose the ignoble things of the world and the things looked down upon, the things that are not, that he might bring to nothing the things that are, 29 in order that no flesh might boast in the sight of God."- 1 Corinthians 1:6-9
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aaron, moses' brother, apparently had a gift for public speaking - whereas moses did not like doing such.
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So this is how Jehovah took care of that problem:



"Moses now said to Jehovah: “Excuse me, Jehovah, but I am not a fluent speaker, neither since yesterday nor since before that nor since your speaking to your servant, for I am slow of mouth and slow of tongue.” 11 At that Jehovah said to him: “Who appointed a mouth for man or who appoints the speechless or the deaf or the clear-sighted or the blind? Is it not I, Jehovah? 12 So now go, and I myself shall prove to be with your mouth and I will teach you what you ought to say.” 13 But he said: “Excuse me, Jehovah, but send, please, by the hand of the one whom you are going to send.” 14 Then Jehovah’s anger grew hot against Moses and he said: “Is not Aaron the Levite your brother? I do know that he can really speak. And, besides, here he is on his way out to meet you. When he does see you, he will certainly rejoice in his heart. 15 And you must speak to him and put the words in his mouth; and I myself shall prove to be with your mouth and his mouth, and I will teach YOU men what YOU are to do. 16 And he must speak for you to the people; and it must occur that he will serve as a mouth to you, and you will serve as God to him. 17 And this rod you will take in your hand that you may perform the signs with it.”- Numbers 4:10-17
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He already had the sandals, the staff, and a great beard, you know, .... the right look?

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He already had the sandals, the staff, and a great beard, you know, .... the right look?

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The best part of that clip is Mel Brooks uses Jehovah's name
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Very simply...Moses was humble, he had no pride of himself.

He was the son of a slave with a speech impediment raised in a royal court of the most powerful kingdom on earth.

Dont mistake meekness with weakness...meekness is humility.

Without the spirit of God this meek man would not have accomplished what he did, which is why he was chosen.

He was known to pharoh when he was sent and was scoffed at for his demands, which allowed the egyptians to see for themselves the might of the God of the hebrews in the plagues that befell them, and the defeat of the egyptians at the red sea would send them into the dark age at the end of the old kingdom.
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Very simply...Moses was humble, he had no pride of himself.

He was the son of a slave with a speech impediment raised in a royal court of the most powerful kingdom on earth.

Dont mistake meekness with weakness...meekness is humility.

Without the spirit of God this meek man would not have accomplished what he did, which is why he was chosen.

He was known to pharoh when he was sent and was scoffed at for his demands, which allowed the egyptians to see for themselves the might of the God of the hebrews in the plagues that befell them, and the defeat of the egyptians at the red sea would send them into the dark age at the end of the old kingdom.
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Meekness takes great inner strength as well
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Moses came down from the mountain after meeting with God in the burning bush and Moses's face shown or radiated. This radiant skin Moses had was the state of man at the time of Adam before the fall - they too had radiating skin or as the Bible calls it white raiment.

After the earth passes away all God's people will once again be in God's presence and have this radiating skin.

Revelation 3:5 "He that overcomes, the same shall be clothed in white raiment;"

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He already had the sandals, the staff, and a great beard, you know, .... the right look?

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The best part of that clip is Mel Brooks uses Jehovah's name
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Yeah.... imagine what he might have blurted out when blew it dropping a tablet.
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He already had the sandals, the staff, and a great beard, you know, .... the right look?

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The best part of that clip is Mel Brooks uses Jehovah's name
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Yeah.... imagine what he might have blurted out when blew it dropping a tablet.
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Probably just "OOPS"cool2
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God knows each man's heart
no matter whether an atheist on GLP puts a sentence on
as a post and calls it a thread when it only says I love S**** (whose name shall not be mentioned because it's not worthy of mentioning) just so that person can make a Christian have to read it over and over again looking through threads.

God knows how that person feels when they are reading it.

God knew Noah was very sad at what he had to do.
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AND MOSES ALSO.


He knew he was meek in spirit because he did not want to do what he had to do but he did anyway.

(*I have Noah on the brain today)*
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AND MOSES ALSO.


He knew he was meek in spirit because he did not want to do what he had to do but he did anyway.

(*I have Noah on the brain today)*
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Well, it took courage for both Noah and Moses to carry out the commission, so it is safe to say they both had similar qualities
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God knows each man's heart
no matter whether an atheist on GLP puts a sentence on
as a post and calls it a thread when it only says I love S**** (whose name shall not be mentioned because it's not worthy of mentioning) just so that person can make a Christian have to read it over and over again looking through threads.

God knows how that person feels when they are reading it.

God knew Noah was very sad at what he had to do.
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However the Bible says: "Noah did just so"- Genesis 6:22
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I did read the Bible once, to satisfy my curiosity, but I'm not a Christian, so I don't have the whole thing memorized. I just remember that Moses was a genocidal warlord.

That said, I googled Moses + war for you, and this popped up:

[link to theuglytruth.wordpress.com (secure)]

You should definitely read it!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 46998366


I looked at that Link and it is a complete mis representation of the facts, with added false information

My recommendation to you, since you said you have read the Bible once, but don't have it memorized, that if you want the TRUE story of Moses and the circumstances surrounding scourges or killings that did take place, (Which were brought by Jehovah himself by the way)...you might want to read the Bible yourself rather than these links that are presented by people who have some other agenda rather than seeking out Bible truthpeace
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Dumbass. The linked article points you to the exact places in the Bible where Moses is acting like a bloodthirsty genocidal warlord. If you're to dense to understand what the Bible spells out clearly, then we have nothing more to say to each other.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 46998366


One needs to read the entire account, and surrounding chapter, and prior chapter which state God's laws....

No one is saying there were not killings in the Bible, when the Ten Commandments were given much earlier on, Jehovah stated quite clear what the consequences were for certain action, when Moses followed Jehovah's direction in issuing punishment....he was doing as instructed

Why don't we focus for a moment on the good things Moses did, there were plenty
 Quoting: CelestialMaiden

Moses was born into one of the most politically charged times in history. The Pharaoh of Egypt was the dominant power figure in the land. He was so incredibly powerful that he referred to himself as a god and nobody was inclined or able to dispute this. He said, “I am your lord, most high”, (Quran 79:24)

Pharaoh effortlessly exerted his authority and influence over all the people in Egypt. He used the strategy of divide and conquer. He set up class distinctions, divided the people into groups and tribes, and set them against one another. The Jews, the children of Israel, were put at the lowest level of Egyptian society. They were the slaves and servants. Moses’ family was from amongst the children of Israel.

Egypt at the time was the known world’s superpower. The ultimate power rested in the hands of very few. Pharaoh and his trusted ministers directed matters as if lives of the population were of little or no consequence. The political situation was in some ways similar to the political world of the 21st century. In a time when the young people of the world are used as cannon fodder for the political and military games of the most powerful, the story of Moses is particularly pertinent.

According to Islamic scholar Ibn Kathir the children of Israel talked vaguely about one of their nation’s sons arsing to wrest the throne of Egypt from Pharaoh. Perhaps it was just a persistent daydream from an oppressed people, or even an ancient prophecy but the story of Moses begins here. A yearning for freedom coupled with a tyrannical king’s dream.

The people of Egypt were influenced by dreams and the interpretation of dreams. Dreams featured prominently in the story of prophet Joseph and once again, in the story of Moses the fate of the children of Israel is affected by a dream. Pharaoh dreams that a child from the children of Israel grows to manhood and seizes his throne.

True to character, Pharaoh reacts arrogantly and gives the order that all male children born to the children of Israel be killed. His ministers however perceive that this would lead to the complete annihilation of the children of Israel and economic ruin for Egypt. How, they ask, would the empire function without slaves and servants? The order is changed; the male children are killed in one year but spared in the next.

Pharaoh becomes so fanatical he sends spies or security agents to seek out pregnant women. If any woman gives birth to a male child, he is immediately put to death. When Moses’ mother becomes pregnant with the child destined to lead the children of Israel out of bondage, she conceals her pregnancy. However, God wished to do a favour to those who were weak and oppressed, and pharaoh’s plans are thwarted.

“And We wished to do a favour to those who were weak (and oppressed) in the land, and to make them rulers and to make them the inheritors, And to establish them in the land, and We let Pharaoh and Haman (Egypt’s Chief Minister) and their hosts receive from them that which they feared.” (Quran 28:5&6)

The scene is set, and the child is born. The winds of change begin to blow and God demonstrates that humans may plan and scheme but He Alone is the best of planners.
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I looked at that Link and it is a complete mis representation of the facts, with added false information

My recommendation to you, since you said you have read the Bible once, but don't have it memorized, that if you want the TRUE story of Moses and the circumstances surrounding scourges or killings that did take place, (Which were brought by Jehovah himself by the way)...you might want to read the Bible yourself rather than these links that are presented by people who have some other agenda rather than seeking out Bible truthpeace
 Quoting: CelestialMaiden


Dumbass. The linked article points you to the exact places in the Bible where Moses is acting like a bloodthirsty genocidal warlord. If you're to dense to understand what the Bible spells out clearly, then we have nothing more to say to each other.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 46998366


One needs to read the entire account, and surrounding chapter, and prior chapter which state God's laws....

No one is saying there were not killings in the Bible, when the Ten Commandments were given much earlier on, Jehovah stated quite clear what the consequences were for certain action, when Moses followed Jehovah's direction in issuing punishment....he was doing as instructed

Why don't we focus for a moment on the good things Moses did, there were plenty
 Quoting: CelestialMaiden

Moses was born into one of the most politically charged times in history. The Pharaoh of Egypt was the dominant power figure in the land. He was so incredibly powerful that he referred to himself as a god and nobody was inclined or able to dispute this. He said, “I am your lord, most high”, (Quran 79:24)

Pharaoh effortlessly exerted his authority and influence over all the people in Egypt. He used the strategy of divide and conquer. He set up class distinctions, divided the people into groups and tribes, and set them against one another. The Jews, the children of Israel, were put at the lowest level of Egyptian society. They were the slaves and servants. Moses’ family was from amongst the children of Israel.

Egypt at the time was the known world’s superpower. The ultimate power rested in the hands of very few. Pharaoh and his trusted ministers directed matters as if lives of the population were of little or no consequence. The political situation was in some ways similar to the political world of the 21st century. In a time when the young people of the world are used as cannon fodder for the political and military games of the most powerful, the story of Moses is particularly pertinent.

According to Islamic scholar Ibn Kathir the children of Israel talked vaguely about one of their nation’s sons arsing to wrest the throne of Egypt from Pharaoh. Perhaps it was just a persistent daydream from an oppressed people, or even an ancient prophecy but the story of Moses begins here. A yearning for freedom coupled with a tyrannical king’s dream.

The people of Egypt were influenced by dreams and the interpretation of dreams. Dreams featured prominently in the story of prophet Joseph and once again, in the story of Moses the fate of the children of Israel is affected by a dream. Pharaoh dreams that a child from the children of Israel grows to manhood and seizes his throne.

True to character, Pharaoh reacts arrogantly and gives the order that all male children born to the children of Israel be killed. His ministers however perceive that this would lead to the complete annihilation of the children of Israel and economic ruin for Egypt. How, they ask, would the empire function without slaves and servants? The order is changed; the male children are killed in one year but spared in the next.

Pharaoh becomes so fanatical he sends spies or security agents to seek out pregnant women. If any woman gives birth to a male child, he is immediately put to death. When Moses’ mother becomes pregnant with the child destined to lead the children of Israel out of bondage, she conceals her pregnancy. However, God wished to do a favour to those who were weak and oppressed, and pharaoh’s plans are thwarted.

“And We wished to do a favour to those who were weak (and oppressed) in the land, and to make them rulers and to make them the inheritors, And to establish them in the land, and We let Pharaoh and Haman (Egypt’s Chief Minister) and their hosts receive from them that which they feared.” (Quran 28:5&6)

The scene is set, and the child is born. The winds of change begin to blow and God demonstrates that humans may plan and scheme but He Alone is the best of planners.
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Thank you for that post, so many good points in that, and your closing words about humans planning but only God alone is the great planner, reminds me of THIS scripture:





"Remember the first things of a long time ago, that I am the Divine One and there is no other God, nor anyone like me; 10 the One telling from the beginning the finale, and from long ago the things that have not been done; the One saying, ‘My own counsel will stand, and everything that is my delight I shall do’; 11 the One calling from the sunrising a bird of prey, from a distant land the man to execute my counsel. I have even spoken [it]; I shall also bring it in. I have formed [it], I shall also do it.'-Isaiah 46:9-11

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