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The Real Reason why the Constitution Preserved the Militia & Right to Retain Arms

 
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The reasoning behind the 2nd Amendment was to PREVENT war.

Charles-Louis de Secondat Montesquieu, baron de La Brede et de (1689-1755) was truly perhaps the most influential of the political French philosophers who did more to alter the course of the world than anyone of this time

In Vienna, Montesquieu met the political leader and soldier, the Prince Eugene of Savoy (1663-1736), whose political discussions helped spark ideas within Montesquieu expanding his understanding of government.

The brilliant insight of Eugene greatly influenced Montesquieu, that it laid the foundation for the right to bare arms, as the Second Amendment to the United States constitution for the idea was to eliminate standing armies that feed the cycle of war returning a nation as Rome began – citizen militias.

The idea was that because you have a large army, kings and ministers eventually use them for it is like having a toy you do not play with, just leave it on the shelf. So in reality, those that support personal retaining of gun, also support a strong military presence. They have blended the two and created a hybrid that is rather far from the original ideas that were the foundation of the USA.

The wisdom of Savoy and Montesquieu is what Jefferson fought for an opposed the Federalists. He was fighting for SMALL government knowing the dangers that would be unleashed by BIG government that included perpetual extortion of the people through rising taxes and subjecting them to international war. History repeats because these passions of man remain unchanged from one century to another.

The whole idea of a militia and the right to bare arms as they do in Switzerland was to eliminate standing armies and thereby reduce the risk of war. Both Russia and the USA are armed to the teeth. As always, kings and ministers simply view the people as their pawns to move around the chessboard as they like and tax them to death when they stand still. This is exactly opposite of what the American Revolution was all about.

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Highly recommend this book set for those who cherish our rights

Feathers On the Wings Of Love and Hate: Let the Gun Speak
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In a near-future America under tyranny all God-given rights are denied, and brutal injustice cuts human nature to the bone exposing both the intoxication of absolute power and the rarest, finest qualities of the most common people. Patrick Paine kills the national police who murder his family and flees into a Southern swamp. The crucible of the death hunt, his pain and hate, give birth to a warrior with one cause: revenge. Hate makes the killing easier. Wounded and dying, Patrick is helped by Sharon L'Amour. She has lost a brother to government killers, but he can see no scars on her heart, no hate. As they fight together, she teaches him her kind of courage is just as vital to their people's survival as his. And she learns his hate is fueled by love for his murdered family, his people, and, most of all, her. As the youngest leader in the resistance, he finds himself fighting not for revenge, but Sharon's future and his people's liberty.

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Feathers on the Wings of Love and Hate II: Call Me Timucua
(Part 2)

The fight to stop an American holocaust continues where Let the Gun Speak ended. When the war heats up, the Resistance is reorganized and a ragtag guerrilla force swells to millions and plunges into a crucible of bloodshed to become an effective army under new leaders. In the center of swirling violence are the opposing forces of Patrick's hatred of government killers and his love for Sharon. Resistance spreads from the Southeast to Alaska and World Government sends soldiers to crush the uprising. As Patrick, Sharon, and friends fight for life and liberty, they write a new page in the never-ending saga of the struggle for human dignity and freedom with their own blood.

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Seeing as it was the second thing they put in it I guess the people who started your nation valued all the constitution not just that part.
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Seeing as it was the second thing they put in it I guess the people who started your nation valued all the constitution not just that part.
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Freedom of religion including free speech was first - the 2nd assures (protects) all the rest.

The First Amendment (Amendment I) to the United States Constitution prohibits the making of any law respecting an establishment of religion, impeding the free exercise of religion, abridging the freedom of speech, infringing on the freedom of the press, interfering with the right to peaceably assemble or prohibiting the petitioning for a governmental redress of grievances.
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When I tell you people to be buying LONG GUNS and ammo, I’m not kidding. Assault rifles and tens of thousands of rounds of ammunition is one of the best places to park wealth right now. And you better know how to use it, and you better sit your wife down, tell her to cut the sissy, whiny female bullshit and learn how to handle every weapon system in your arsenal. This isn’t a damn game or a TV show. Many, many women are going to find themselves as the ONLY THING standing between a hip-hop rape mob and their children.

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Texas, by the way, is about to legalize the open carry of pistols among citizens who have concealed carry licenses. This will make Texas the safest state in the union and will completely derail would-be terrorists, attackers and mass shooters. The last thing they want is an entire population of armed, determined citizens who are capable of shooting back. I can't wait to take a stroll down the sidewalk on North Lamar, right in front of the Whole Foods world headquarters, and observe citizens with loaded pistols on their hips, calmly going about their business. If this idea freaks you out, you can always choose cities where citizens are disarmed -- like Detroit or Chicago, the violent crime capitals of America, run entirely by Big Government kleptocrats who despise liberty and are particularly skilled at destroying prosperity.

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CONGRESSIONAL STUDY: MURDER RATE PLUMMETS AS GUN OWNERSHIP SOARS


The Congressional Research Service reported that the number of privately owned firearms in America went from 192 million in 1994 to 310 million privately owned firearms in 2009. Subsequently, the “firearm-related murder and non-negligent homicide” rate fell from 6.6 per 100,000 in 1993 to 3.6 per 100,000 in 2000 and finally to 3.2 per 100,000 in 2011.

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St Bartholomew's Massacre occurred in France where catholics went to the countryside and slaughtered innocent French Huegonot Protestant farmers as they were unarmed in their homes. This also impressed upon early forefathers that need for self defense.
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There was to never have a standing army to be formed. The temptation was considered too great for a federal government to use those troops in foreign affairs.

ALL 17-45 able bodied males in the unorganized militia was considered adequate. It's a law.

Title 10 USC 311

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Texas, by the way, is about to legalize the open carry of pistols among citizens who have concealed carry licenses. This will make Texas the safest state in the union and will completely derail would-be terrorists, attackers and mass shooters. The last thing they want is an entire population of armed, determined citizens who are capable of shooting back. I can't wait to take a stroll down the sidewalk on North Lamar, right in front of the Whole Foods world headquarters, and observe citizens with loaded pistols on their hips, calmly going about their business. If this idea freaks you out, you can always choose cities where citizens are disarmed -- like Detroit or Chicago, the violent crime capitals of America, run entirely by Big Government kleptocrats who despise liberty and are particularly skilled at destroying prosperity.

Learn more: [link to www.naturalnews.com]
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won't the Texas cops freak out? They seem pretty paranoid and unstable there.
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Statistics show criminals commit less crimes after they have been shot.

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The collectivists will never stop. They will never be satisfied. After they have the guns, they'll want something else. They mean to rule. Cede a small point they have no rightful claim to in the name of "compromise" and they'll gladly snap it up and then demand more. And accuse you of being an extremist, a racist and worse if you balk.

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Patriots prayer

Lord, make my hand fast and accurate.
Let my aim be true and my hand faster
than those who would seek to destroy me.
Grant me victory over my foes and those who wish to do harm to me and mine.
Let not my last thought be 'If I only had my gun."
And Lord, if today is truly the day you call me home
Let me die in a pile of empty brass."
Amen
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The reasoning behind the 2nd Amendment was to PREVENT war.

Charles-Louis de Secondat Montesquieu, baron de La Brede et de (1689-1755) was truly perhaps the most influential of the political French philosophers who did more to alter the course of the world than anyone of this time

In Vienna, Montesquieu met the political leader and soldier, the Prince Eugene of Savoy (1663-1736), whose political discussions helped spark ideas within Montesquieu expanding his understanding of government.

The brilliant insight of Eugene greatly influenced Montesquieu, that it laid the foundation for the right to bare arms, as the Second Amendment to the United States constitution for the idea was to eliminate standing armies that feed the cycle of war returning a nation as Rome began – citizen militias.

The idea was that because you have a large army, kings and ministers eventually use them for it is like having a toy you do not play with, just leave it on the self. So in reality, those that support personal retaining of gun, also support a strong military presence. They have blended the two and created a hybrid that is rather far from the original ideas that were the foundation of the USA.

The wisdom of Savoy and Montesquieu is what Jefferson fought for an opposed the Federalists. He was fighting for SMALL government knowing the dangers that would be unleashed by BIG government that included perpetual extortion of the people through rising taxes and subjecting them to international war. History repeats because these passions of man remain unchanged from one century to another.

The whole idea of a militia and the right to bare arms as they do in Switzerland was to eliminate standing armies and thereby reduce the risk of war. Both Russia and the USA are armed to the teeth. As always, kings and ministers simply view the people as their pawns to move around the chessboard as they like and tax them to death when they stand still. This is exactly opposite of what the American Revolution was all about.

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I agree with what you say in your thesis, but it also was to preserve and retain private ownership of property. The freedom to own property was a cornerstone to the founding of this nation. This goes in hand with freedom of religion and other important freedoms. The second amendment merely preserves and defends all the rest of the Bill of Rights.
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Only an educated and moral people will understand the concepts and be able to retain their freedom.
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James Madison — Writing in Federalist 46, explained that the Constitution hedges in “the advantage of being armed, which the Americans possess over the people of almost every other nation.”

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George Mason — “I ask, sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people, except for a few public officials.” (Debates in Virginia Convention on Ratification of the Constitution, Elliot, Vol. 3, June 16, 1788)
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Alexander Hamilton — Writing in Federalist 28, he explained that the chief reason for being sure the people are armed is so they have the power to repel a tyranny::

If the representatives of the people betray their constituents, there is then no resource left but in the exertion of that original right of self-defense which is paramount to all positive forms of government, and which against the usurpations of the national rulers, may be exerted with infinitely better prospect of success than against those of the rulers of an individual state. In a single state, if the persons intrusted with supreme power become usurpers, the different parcels, subdivisions, or districts of which it consists, having no distinct government in each, can take no regular measures for defense. The citizens must rush tumultuously to arms, without concert, without system, without resource; except in their courage and despair.
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Joseph Story — Associate Justice from 1811-1845, he wrote, “The right of the citizens to keep and bear arms has justly been considered, as the palladium of the liberties of a republic; since it offers a strong moral check against the usurpation and arbitrary power of rulers; and will generally, even if these are successful in the first instance, enable the people to resist and triumph over them.” (Story, Joseph. Commentaries on the Constitution of the United States. 3 vols. Boston, 1833.)
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Representative Edwin Arthur Hall (R-NY) – In 1941 he reacted to calls for gun control in the U.S. Congress by pointing to the tyranny that had resulted from gun control in the Soviet Union and Nazi Germany:

Before the advent of Hitler or Stalin, who took power from the German and Russian people, measures were thrust upon the free legislatures of those countries to deprive the people of the possession and use of firearms, so that they could not resist the encroachments of such diabolical and vitriolic state police organizations as the Gestapo, the Ogpu, and the Cheka. (87 CONG.REC., 77th Cong., 1st Sess., 6778 [Aug. 5, 1941])
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Representative John W. Patman (D-TX) – In 1941 Patman concurred with Rep. Hall’s arguments against gun control, adding:

The people have a right to keep arms; therefore, if we should have some Executive who attempted to set himself up as dictator or king, the people can organize themselves together and, with the arms and ammunition they have, they can properly protect themselves. . . . (87 CONG.REC., 77th Cong., 1st Sess., 7102 [Aug. 13, 1941])
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JFK – Writing in 1960, he posited “fears of governmental tyranny” as the impetus “which gave rise to the Second Amendment” to begin with. And although he believed it “unlikely” that such tyranny “[would] ever be a major danger to our nation,” he said “the Second Amendment will always be important.” (UCLA School of Law)

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