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The Middle Class Disappears, Rise of the Praetorian Class

 
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BattlesightZero made a post concerning the Praetorian Class in the ongoing Ukraine thread.
It reminded me of an article I read a couple years ago.

I won't call it a long read, but it does require some sort of attention span.

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"Much attention has been paid to the “disappearing middle class” and the “vanishing American Dream.” While the observations are largely accurate, they are also misleading. The traditional three-tier model of the upper, middle and lower class broadly categorizes people according to income and net worth. One significant problem with this model is that membership in any particular class is very much in the eye of the beholder. One man’s “scraping by” is another man’s “opulent living.” This subjective and arbitrary grouping and boundary assessment inevitably gives rise to the simmering class warfare that is starting to rear its ugly head in many Western countries. Such categorization is therefore meaningless at best, if not outright deceptive as it conflates a variety of economic actors.

The chief fallacy of this model rests in the fact that it focuses on how much those actors are compensated, as opposed to how and why they are compensated. A far better perspective is perhaps gained using two classes, the Political Class and the Economic Class, with a third class emerging."
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good read
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good read
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Wasn't sure I would find it again. Funny how the memory works.
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"The Praetorian Class includes members of the Armed Services, federal, state and local law enforcement personnel as well as numerous militarized officials including agents from the DEA, Immigrations, Customs Enforcement, Air Marshalls, US Marshalls, and more. It also includes, although to a lesser extent, various stage actors in the expanding security theater such as TSA personnel. The main mission of the Praetorian Class is to keep the order of the day. This requires displaying an intimidating presence in their interactions with the Economic Class."
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"The Praetorian Class includes members of the Armed Services, federal, state and local law enforcement personnel as well as numerous militarized officials including agents from the DEA, Immigrations, Customs Enforcement, Air Marshalls, US Marshalls, and more. It also includes, although to a lesser extent, various stage actors in the expanding security theater such as TSA personnel. The main mission of the Praetorian Class is to keep the order of the day. This requires displaying an intimidating presence in their interactions with the Economic Class."
 Quoting: Zetetic


The proletariat can subdue the praetorian with a swift kick in the crotch.

You heard it here first.
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[link to www.historynet.com]

I've heard this all before, I grow weary of a world of war for the sake of war. The valiant falling under the swords of murders to satiate the lusts of the money changers.
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So the various tires of elites above the law, their minions the various security and enforcement apparatuses, followed by the serf classes.
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bump. sounds vaguely African - like Pretoria?
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Very good article, worthwhile reading. Thanks for posting.
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So the various tires of elites above the law, their minions the various security and enforcement apparatuses, followed by the serf classes.
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However, the serfs who held the real power have been programmed to believe they must step aside for the political class or be punished by the praetorian class (which has moved into the place of what had been the middle class).
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"The Praetorian Class includes members of the Armed Services, federal, state and local law enforcement personnel as well as numerous militarized officials including agents from the DEA, Immigrations, Customs Enforcement, Air Marshalls, US Marshalls, and more. It also includes, although to a lesser extent, various stage actors in the expanding security theater such as TSA personnel. The main mission of the Praetorian Class is to keep the order of the day. This requires displaying an intimidating presence in their interactions with the Economic Class."
 Quoting: Zetetic


The proletariat can subdue the praetorian with a swift kick in the crotch.

You heard it here first.
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Yeah but they have cups.
Government is a body largely ungoverned.
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I remember the sci fi stories of walled cities that were corporations and if you got fired you went outside the wall.
Government is a body largely ungoverned.
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here i fix for u

the PreyToOrion class.....PTO for short...LULzzz
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nothing is true everything is permitted
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[link to www.historynet.com]

I've heard this all before, I grow weary of a world of war for the sake of war. The valiant falling under the swords of murders to satiate the lusts of the money changers.
 Quoting: Ron Swanson's Raiders!


Quite a read.

Seems Sparta was a full praetorian state not able to bend. All were expected to live and die by the same code.
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Some would say one may as well change that to the govt paycheck class
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For those who hope the military will take the side of the citizens if/when the United States splinters...

"As they serve in their martial role, members of the Praetorian Class learn to despise members of the Political Class and to view the plight of the Economic Class with detachment or even contempt. Law enforcement and military personnel will converse behind closed doors about the most horrific injustices and brutalities with cavalier amusement. While perhaps natural, their training for violence and teamwork is a fundamental cause for why members of the Praetorian Class abandon their roots and in time come to view their peers “back on the farm” with contempt. Likewise, the steady displays of the craven and treacherous character of the Political Class causes the Praetorian Class to privately disavow emotional allegiance to their masters, usually early in their service."
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For those who hope the military will take the side of the citizens if/when the United States splinters...

"As they serve in their martial role, members of the Praetorian Class learn to despise members of the Political Class and to view the plight of the Economic Class with detachment or even contempt. Law enforcement and military personnel will converse behind closed doors about the most horrific injustices and brutalities with cavalier amusement. While perhaps natural, their training for violence and teamwork is a fundamental cause for why members of the Praetorian Class abandon their roots and in time come to view their peers “back on the farm” with contempt. Likewise, the steady displays of the craven and treacherous character of the Political Class causes the Praetorian Class to privately disavow emotional allegiance to their masters, usually early in their service."
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zip code math

if you make 5 times the average wage you are middle class

making 150 k in butt fuck egypt means living in style making it in LA means barely scraping by
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"Much attention has been paid to the “disappearing middle class” and the “vanishing American Dream.” While the observations are largely accurate, they are also misleading. The traditional three-tier model of the upper, middle and lower class broadly categorizes people according to income and net worth. One significant problem with this model is that membership in any particular class is very much in the eye of the beholder. One man’s “scraping by” is another man’s “opulent living.” This subjective and arbitrary grouping and boundary assessment inevitably gives rise to the simmering class warfare that is starting to rear its ugly head in many Western countries. Such categorization is therefore meaningless at best, if not outright deceptive as it conflates a variety of economic actors.

The chief fallacy of this model rests in the fact that it focuses on how much those actors are compensated, as opposed to how and why they are compensated. A far better perspective is perhaps gained using two classes, the Political Class and the Economic Class, with a third class emerging."
 Quoting: Zetetic


I disagree as a "middle class american " I took a vacation, I shopped online, and I bought things with credit, which I paid off with "tax returns" which I planned for. Why are these models predicting chaos... We have a choice. ALWAYS! Choose well.hf
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bump
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bump
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Thanks, PC.
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YOU, and only YOU are responsible for maintaining the balance of power between you and the rest of the semi-sentient beings in this world. You cannot disclaim or delegate that responsibility; it is a function of being a living, breathing "adult" in this world. If you can't manage yourself on those terms, someone else *will* manage you on their terms. Your terms are irrelevant. Buy a rifle; prepare to defend yourself. If you don't, what happens is *your* fault. Period.
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For those who hope the military will take the side of the citizens if/when the United States splinters...

"As they serve in their martial role, members of the Praetorian Class learn to despise members of the Political Class and to view the plight of the Economic Class with detachment or even contempt. Law enforcement and military personnel will converse behind closed doors about the most horrific injustices and brutalities with cavalier amusement. While perhaps natural, their training for violence and teamwork is a fundamental cause for why members of the Praetorian Class abandon their roots and in time come to view their peers “back on the farm” with contempt. Likewise, the steady displays of the craven and treacherous character of the Political Class causes the Praetorian Class to privately disavow emotional allegiance to their masters, usually early in their service."
 Quoting: Zetetic


I can personally attest to this. It's why 'Bammy, Feinstein, and the rest of their ilk want veterans disarmed. We've seen behind the veil, looked into the eyes of the demon which fears to be seen. And we know it's weaknesses...

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YOU, and only YOU are responsible for maintaining the balance of power between you and the rest of the semi-sentient beings in this world. You cannot disclaim or delegate that responsibility; it is a function of being a living, breathing "adult" in this world. If you can't manage yourself on those terms, someone else *will* manage you on their terms. Your terms are irrelevant. Buy a rifle; prepare to defend yourself. If you don't, what happens is *your* fault. Period.
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For those who hope the military will take the side of the citizens if/when the United States splinters...

"As they serve in their martial role, members of the Praetorian Class learn to despise members of the Political Class and to view the plight of the Economic Class with detachment or even contempt. Law enforcement and military personnel will converse behind closed doors about the most horrific injustices and brutalities with cavalier amusement. While perhaps natural, their training for violence and teamwork is a fundamental cause for why members of the Praetorian Class abandon their roots and in time come to view their peers “back on the farm” with contempt. Likewise, the steady displays of the craven and treacherous character of the Political Class causes the Praetorian Class to privately disavow emotional allegiance to their masters, usually early in their service."
 Quoting: Zetetic


I can personally attest to this. It's why 'Bammy, Feinstein, and the rest of their ilk want veterans disarmed. We've seen behind the veil, looked into the eyes of the demon which fears to be seen. And we know it's weaknesses...
 Quoting: BattlesightZero


The Praetorian class has a code of conduct. At least one they put on the wall, even if they don't follow it. The disdain for the politicals is partially driven by their lack of moral/ethical code.
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[link to www.historynet.com]

I've heard this all before, I grow weary of a world of war for the sake of war. The valiant falling under the swords of murders to satiate the lusts of the money changers.
 Quoting: Ron Swanson's Raiders!


Quite a read.

Seems Sparta was a full praetorian state not able to bend. All were expected to live and die by the same code.
 Quoting: Zetetic


sparta was only worth a fuck cause they had like 40 helots doing the shit work for every elite warrior
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Historically speaking...the Praetorian Guard was an elite group that protected the Roman rulers.

It is a sidenote that they rarely liked their job.

it is interesting that you bring that up as a developing modern class because in a sense it is true.

I cannot count the number of times I see "public" protectors in very wealthy neighborhoods sitting in their cars...maybe write a speeding ticket but mostly there to protect the "assets" of the elite...while crime is off the chain n another part of town.

It could be looked at either way...they are there to write traffic and speeding tickets to the rich folks that will pay them...or they are being paid with everyone's tax dollar to be the personal security force of the politically connected.

a little but of both I think
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Historically speaking...the Praetorian Guard was an elite group that protected the Roman rulers.

It is a sidenote that they rarely liked their job.

it is interesting that you bring that up as a developing modern class because in a sense it is true.

I cannot count the number of times I see "public" protectors in very wealthy neighborhoods sitting in their cars...maybe write a speeding ticket but mostly there to protect the "assets" of the elite...while crime is off the chain n another part of town.

It could be looked at either way...they are there to write traffic and speeding tickets to the rich folks that will pay them...or they are being paid with everyone's tax dollar to be the personal security force of the politically connected.

a little but of both I think
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There were Caesars like Caligula who were killed by his own Praetorian guard. They set it up by maneuvering him and his family away from his personal guard and they killed them all off. So.....
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Class warfare is always started by the elites to bring the have-nots under the have's control.
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bump. sounds vaguely African - like Pretoria?
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It's Roman, the Praetorian guard were the ones that protected the Roman Dictators.
[link to en.wikipedia.org (secure)]


Might explain why they no longer serve and protect the people but instead incompetents and crazies like Obama and the rest of the clowns you got there in DC. They're traitors to their own nation and people basically. A better name would be the Judas class.

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bump. sounds vaguely African - like Pretoria?
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It's Roman, the Praetorian guard were the ones that protected the Roman Dictators.
[link to en.wikipedia.org (secure)]


Might explain why they no longer serve and protect the people but instead incompetents and crazies like Obama and the rest of the clowns you got there in DC. They're traitors to their own nation and people basically. A better name would be the Judas class.
 Quoting: -GLP-Christian-


Not only did the praetorian kill off some Ceasars, Brutus and a number of politicians killed Julius Caesar too, and they did it in cold blood. No one is in total control.
Totally plausable that when someone finally just goes too far in their quest for power, that the ones closest to them end up taking them out.
Hitler had numerous attacks on his life made throughout the war.





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