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Can be God from fist Genesis different than second chapter ?

 
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Can be God from fist Genesis different than second chapter ?
It is interesting that in bible there are two descriptions of creation. In first chapter of Genesis God craetes man on his image and everything is good. In second chpater there is tree of knowledge of good and evil and man falls.
Can it be that second chapter describes action of other entity which was one of entities created on image of God and traps humans ?

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As most of the bible has been passed down verbally for generations before being put into script, it's HIGHLY likely that the answer is yes based on the fact that as we have it - the bible almost ALL hearsay anyway! hf
That which is - has already been, And what is to be - has already been. Quote: King Solomon.
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Primitive man called alien visitors "Gods."
There is no one God, there are alien visitors.
Primitive man wrote a book about these alien visitors and called it "The Bible"

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Primitive man called alien visitors "Gods."
There is no one God, there are alien visitors.
Primitive man wrote a book about these alien visitors and called it "The Bible"

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So who created aliens ? I imagine it could be time loop before somebody created time. But aliens with current phisics did not created aliens.

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The tree of knowledge of good and evil is satan.
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They were written by two different prophets with a different ideals of God, so quite possibly, dont forget it was deciphered and written by the Jews, shhh, dont tell anybody, i think it was made on their favor!!!
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Re: Can be God from fist Genesis different than second chapter ?
in Chap 1, God is God
after everything is created, in chap 2 God is Lord

God is God and then when He finishes creating the material/physical world, He becomes Lord of all He created.
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Someone here seems to be ....disconnected from reality.
Not going to mention any names though.

(the OP)....

seriously...WatDAFUQ.
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yes, genesis God (big G) is different than the other 3

there is atleast 3 voices speaking in the bible, big God, the demiurge (yaldabaoth), and probably the brothers enki/enlil

further, there are chapters written by human hands to tell a story/moral that are rooted from prior religions

learn to decipher who is speaking
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in Chap 1, God is God
after everything is created, in chap 2 God is Lord

God is God and then when He finishes creating the material/physical world, He becomes Lord of all He created.
 Quoting: Salt


Maybe lord is not God. When Noah wgets instructions abaut Ark it gets also two instructions. One from God when he is instructed to take ona pair of each animal and not suprisingly he gets instructions also from lord who ants some more for sacrifice. So we have two entities anyway.
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Re: Can be God from fist Genesis different than second chapter ?
in Chap 1, God is God
after everything is created, in chap 2 God is Lord

God is God and then when He finishes creating the material/physical world, He becomes Lord of all He created.
 Quoting: Salt


Maybe lord is not God. When Noah wgets instructions abaut Ark it gets also two instructions. One from God when he is instructed to take ona pair of each animal and not suprisingly he gets instructions also from lord who ants some more for sacrifice. So we have two entities anyway.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 55727818


one entity, many names/titles
in ancient hebrew it was to delineate the facet of the character in the context of the scenario
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Re: Can be God from fist Genesis different than second chapter ?
in Chap 1, God is God
after everything is created, in chap 2 God is Lord

God is God and then when He finishes creating the material/physical world, He becomes Lord of all He created.
 Quoting: Salt


Maybe lord is not God. When Noah wgets instructions abaut Ark it gets also two instructions. One from God when he is instructed to take ona pair of each animal and not suprisingly he gets instructions also from lord who ants some more for sacrifice. So we have two entities anyway.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 55727818


one entity, many names/titles
in ancient hebrew it was to delineate the facet of the character in the context of the scenario
 Quoting: Salt


one entity with two DIFFERENT actions at same time ?

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Re: Can be God from fist Genesis different than second chapter ?
in Chap 1, God is God
after everything is created, in chap 2 God is Lord

God is God and then when He finishes creating the material/physical world, He becomes Lord of all He created.
 Quoting: Salt


Maybe lord is not God. When Noah wgets instructions abaut Ark it gets also two instructions. One from God when he is instructed to take ona pair of each animal and not suprisingly he gets instructions also from lord who ants some more for sacrifice. So we have two entities anyway.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 55727818


one entity, many names/titles
in ancient hebrew it was to delineate the facet of the character in the context of the scenario
 Quoting: Salt


one entity with two DIFFERENT actions at same time ?

marek.
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which two actions are you referring?
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Maybe lord is not God. When Noah wgets instructions abaut Ark it gets also two instructions. One from God when he is instructed to take ona pair of each animal and not suprisingly he gets instructions also from lord who ants some more for sacrifice. So we have two entities anyway.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 55727818


one entity, many names/titles
in ancient hebrew it was to delineate the facet of the character in the context of the scenario
 Quoting: Salt


one entity with two DIFFERENT actions at same time ?

marek.
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which two actions are you referring?
 Quoting: Salt


Instructions for Noah. One from God to take only pair of every animal. And another from Lord to prepare more of clean animals for sacrifice.
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one entity, many names/titles
in ancient hebrew it was to delineate the facet of the character in the context of the scenario
 Quoting: Salt


one entity with two DIFFERENT actions at same time ?

marek.
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which two actions are you referring?
 Quoting: Salt


Instructions for Noah. One from God to take only pair of every animal. And another from Lord to prepare more of clean animals for sacrifice.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 55727818


verse?
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one entity with two DIFFERENT actions at same time ?

marek.
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which two actions are you referring?
 Quoting: Salt


Instructions for Noah. One from God to take only pair of every animal. And another from Lord to prepare more of clean animals for sacrifice.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 55727818


verse?
 Quoting: Salt

genesis 6 20-22 and genesis 7 1-4
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which two actions are you referring?
 Quoting: Salt


Instructions for Noah. One from God to take only pair of every animal. And another from Lord to prepare more of clean animals for sacrifice.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 55727818


verse?
 Quoting: Salt

genesis 6 20-22 and genesis 7 1-4
 Quoting: marek. 55727818


read lost book of enki, noah's father is enki/lucifer; who knew shit was about to go down on earth, and would guide noah his child and his (and other bloodlines) through it, the ark is a computer, ufo, ship, high tech

dont go down the road of a wooden ark and 2 of each type, it will limit your ability to understand whats happening, the bible is coded, just like how the fruits in the garden are not obviously fruit, but some kind of technology/spiritual booster type thing, like mushrooms, peyote, but far more advanced as an comparison

obviously whoever edited the bible knew people would shit themselves if they knew the truth, it had to be simplified
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which two actions are you referring?
 Quoting: Salt


Instructions for Noah. One from God to take only pair of every animal. And another from Lord to prepare more of clean animals for sacrifice.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 55727818


verse?
 Quoting: Salt

genesis 6 20-22 and genesis 7 1-4
 Quoting: marek. 55727818


where is the discrepancy?

are you confusing the two pairs with the seven pairs?

the seven pairs in gen 7 is not of one kind, it is seven pairs of different kinds
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Instructions for Noah. One from God to take only pair of every animal. And another from Lord to prepare more of clean animals for sacrifice.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 55727818


verse?
 Quoting: Salt

genesis 6 20-22 and genesis 7 1-4
 Quoting: marek. 55727818


read lost book of enki, noah's father is enki/lucifer; who knew shit was about to go down on earth, and would guide noah his child and his (and other bloodlines) through it, the ark is a computer, ufo, ship, high tech

dont go down the road of a wooden ark and 2 of each type, it will limit your ability to understand whats happening, the bible is coded, just like how the fruits in the garden are not obviously fruit, but some kind of technology/spiritual booster type thing, like mushrooms, peyote, but far more advanced as an comparison

obviously whoever edited the bible knew people would shit themselves if they knew the truth, it had to be simplified
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 20812629

But God and lord distinctions does make sens. Talking about aliens just push more problems and no real answers.
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Instructions for Noah. One from God to take only pair of every animal. And another from Lord to prepare more of clean animals for sacrifice.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 55727818


verse?
 Quoting: Salt

genesis 6 20-22 and genesis 7 1-4
 Quoting: marek. 55727818


where is the discrepancy?

are you confusing the two pairs with the seven pairs?

the seven pairs in gen 7 is not of one kind, it is seven pairs of different kinds
 Quoting: Salt

Both statements in 6 and 7 talks about all animals. In 6 there is statement to talk one pair of each animal. In 7 there is statement to talk one pair of unclean animals and seven pairs of clean. So lord wants sacrifices. God does not.
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verse?
 Quoting: Salt

genesis 6 20-22 and genesis 7 1-4
 Quoting: marek. 55727818


read lost book of enki, noah's father is enki/lucifer; who knew shit was about to go down on earth, and would guide noah his child and his (and other bloodlines) through it, the ark is a computer, ufo, ship, high tech

dont go down the road of a wooden ark and 2 of each type, it will limit your ability to understand whats happening, the bible is coded, just like how the fruits in the garden are not obviously fruit, but some kind of technology/spiritual booster type thing, like mushrooms, peyote, but far more advanced as an comparison

obviously whoever edited the bible knew people would shit themselves if they knew the truth, it had to be simplified
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 20812629

But God and lord distinctions does make sens. Talking about aliens just push more problems and no real answers.
 Quoting: marek. 55727818


if you can accept flying men with wings, demons with pitchforks, flying wheels you have to go all the way, there are many orders in the bible, elohim, nephilim, rephaim, whatever, the 'greys' 'aliens' are mentioned in the book of enoch, they are edited out of the bible, ill leave it to your imagination to figure out just why that would happen, and there is mention of serpents and such in the bible, what are you going to do about that? sorry friend, reality is horrifying, go slowly, but go all the way
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why are you using an incorrect translation as a reference point?

surely this would be just a waste of time?
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genesis 6 20-22 and genesis 7 1-4
 Quoting: marek. 55727818


read lost book of enki, noah's father is enki/lucifer; who knew shit was about to go down on earth, and would guide noah his child and his (and other bloodlines) through it, the ark is a computer, ufo, ship, high tech

dont go down the road of a wooden ark and 2 of each type, it will limit your ability to understand whats happening, the bible is coded, just like how the fruits in the garden are not obviously fruit, but some kind of technology/spiritual booster type thing, like mushrooms, peyote, but far more advanced as an comparison

obviously whoever edited the bible knew people would shit themselves if they knew the truth, it had to be simplified
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 20812629

But God and lord distinctions does make sens. Talking about aliens just push more problems and no real answers.
 Quoting: marek. 55727818


if you can accept flying men with wings, demons with pitchforks, flying wheels you have to go all the way, there are many orders in the bible, elohim, nephilim, rephaim, whatever, the 'greys' 'aliens' are mentioned in the book of enoch, they are edited out of the bible, ill leave it to your imagination to figure out just why that would happen, and there is mention of serpents and such in the bible, what are you going to do about that? sorry friend, reality is horrifying, go slowly, but go all the way
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 20812629

I do not say that reality is not nice. But it goes deeper than aliens. It starts with not nice physiscs. But Genesis 1 gives me hope. In fact it is connected with my personal experieces. God created world which can manifest everything, but only good fruits will preserve. Of course there is question why there is everything possible now. In my personal opinion it is becouse God has its start in its future, so he had to create all possibilites to manifest its begining. But it is only my personal experience.
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why are you using an incorrect translation as a reference point?

surely this would be just a waste of time?
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Could you be just little more specific ?
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read lost book of enki, noah's father is enki/lucifer; who knew shit was about to go down on earth, and would guide noah his child and his (and other bloodlines) through it, the ark is a computer, ufo, ship, high tech

dont go down the road of a wooden ark and 2 of each type, it will limit your ability to understand whats happening, the bible is coded, just like how the fruits in the garden are not obviously fruit, but some kind of technology/spiritual booster type thing, like mushrooms, peyote, but far more advanced as an comparison

obviously whoever edited the bible knew people would shit themselves if they knew the truth, it had to be simplified
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 20812629

But God and lord distinctions does make sens. Talking about aliens just push more problems and no real answers.
 Quoting: marek. 55727818


if you can accept flying men with wings, demons with pitchforks, flying wheels you have to go all the way, there are many orders in the bible, elohim, nephilim, rephaim, whatever, the 'greys' 'aliens' are mentioned in the book of enoch, they are edited out of the bible, ill leave it to your imagination to figure out just why that would happen, and there is mention of serpents and such in the bible, what are you going to do about that? sorry friend, reality is horrifying, go slowly, but go all the way
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 20812629

I do not say that reality is not nice. But it goes deeper than aliens. It starts with not nice physiscs. But Genesis 1 gives me hope. In fact it is connected with my personal experieces. God created world which can manifest everything, but only good fruits will preserve. Of course there is question why there is everything possible now. In my personal opinion it is becouse God has its start in its future, so he had to create all possibilites to manifest its begining. But it is only my personal experience.
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you are right, and aliens are only a small part of reality, the forces described in the text(s) are way more powerful than 'aliens'; you are on the right track, as to why everything (evil) is possible now, the hints are there as well, earth is a battleground, wouldnt you want to see what people would really do if they had the chance? look how crazy people go for sex, money, power, control, etc, do you want to hang around with idiots for the next few million years? of course not, who would

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verse?
 Quoting: Salt

genesis 6 20-22 and genesis 7 1-4
 Quoting: marek. 55727818


where is the discrepancy?

are you confusing the two pairs with the seven pairs?

the seven pairs in gen 7 is not of one kind, it is seven pairs of different kinds
 Quoting: Salt

Both statements in 6 and 7 talks about all animals. In 6 there is statement to talk one pair of each animal. In 7 there is statement to talk one pair of unclean animals and seven pairs of clean. So lord wants sacrifices. God does not.
 Quoting: marek. 55727818


the Lord requires sacrifice
God is the Lord
sacrifice is connected to humanity and God is Lord over humanity
once again, it is the title reflecting the facet of character of one God

not two Gods, one.
One God, many facets of character
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But God and lord distinctions does make sens. Talking about aliens just push more problems and no real answers.
 Quoting: marek. 55727818


if you can accept flying men with wings, demons with pitchforks, flying wheels you have to go all the way, there are many orders in the bible, elohim, nephilim, rephaim, whatever, the 'greys' 'aliens' are mentioned in the book of enoch, they are edited out of the bible, ill leave it to your imagination to figure out just why that would happen, and there is mention of serpents and such in the bible, what are you going to do about that? sorry friend, reality is horrifying, go slowly, but go all the way
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 20812629

I do not say that reality is not nice. But it goes deeper than aliens. It starts with not nice physiscs. But Genesis 1 gives me hope. In fact it is connected with my personal experieces. God created world which can manifest everything, but only good fruits will preserve. Of course there is question why there is everything possible now. In my personal opinion it is becouse God has its start in its future, so he had to create all possibilites to manifest its begining. But it is only my personal experience.
 Quoting: marek. 55727818


you are right, and aliens are only a small part of reality, the forces described in the text(s) are way more powerful than 'aliens'; you are on the right track, as to why everything (evil) is possible now, the hints are there as well, earth is a battleground, wouldnt you want to see what people would really do if they had the chance? look how crazy people go for sex, money, power, control, etc, do you want to hang around with idiots for the next few million years? of course not, who would

everything is watched, everything is judged in time, everything is separated later
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It is your belief or knowledge ?
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genesis 6 20-22 and genesis 7 1-4
 Quoting: marek. 55727818


where is the discrepancy?

are you confusing the two pairs with the seven pairs?

the seven pairs in gen 7 is not of one kind, it is seven pairs of different kinds
 Quoting: Salt

Both statements in 6 and 7 talks about all animals. In 6 there is statement to talk one pair of each animal. In 7 there is statement to talk one pair of unclean animals and seven pairs of clean. So lord wants sacrifices. God does not.
 Quoting: marek. 55727818


the Lord requires sacrifice
God is the Lord
sacrifice is connected to humanity and God is Lord over humanity
once again, it is the title reflecting the facet of character of one God

not two Gods, one.
One God, many facets of character
 Quoting: Salt


You can belive what you want. But you did not answered about Noah.
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where is the discrepancy?

are you confusing the two pairs with the seven pairs?

the seven pairs in gen 7 is not of one kind, it is seven pairs of different kinds
 Quoting: Salt

Both statements in 6 and 7 talks about all animals. In 6 there is statement to talk one pair of each animal. In 7 there is statement to talk one pair of unclean animals and seven pairs of clean. So lord wants sacrifices. God does not.
 Quoting: marek. 55727818


the Lord requires sacrifice
God is the Lord
sacrifice is connected to humanity and God is Lord over humanity
once again, it is the title reflecting the facet of character of one God

not two Gods, one.
One God, many facets of character
 Quoting: Salt


You can belive what you want. But you did not answered about Noah.
 Quoting: marek. 55727818


what exactly is the question?
why does God require sacrifice?

am i missing something?
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Both statements in 6 and 7 talks about all animals. In 6 there is statement to talk one pair of each animal. In 7 there is statement to talk one pair of unclean animals and seven pairs of clean. So lord wants sacrifices. God does not.
 Quoting: marek. 55727818


the Lord requires sacrifice
God is the Lord
sacrifice is connected to humanity and God is Lord over humanity
once again, it is the title reflecting the facet of character of one God

not two Gods, one.
One God, many facets of character
 Quoting: Salt


You can belive what you want. But you did not answered about Noah.
 Quoting: marek. 55727818


what exactly is the question?
why does God require sacrifice?

am i missing something?
 Quoting: Salt

The question is why Lord requires from Noah animals for sacrifice but God des not.
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if you can accept flying men with wings, demons with pitchforks, flying wheels you have to go all the way, there are many orders in the bible, elohim, nephilim, rephaim, whatever, the 'greys' 'aliens' are mentioned in the book of enoch, they are edited out of the bible, ill leave it to your imagination to figure out just why that would happen, and there is mention of serpents and such in the bible, what are you going to do about that? sorry friend, reality is horrifying, go slowly, but go all the way
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 20812629

I do not say that reality is not nice. But it goes deeper than aliens. It starts with not nice physiscs. But Genesis 1 gives me hope. In fact it is connected with my personal experieces. God created world which can manifest everything, but only good fruits will preserve. Of course there is question why there is everything possible now. In my personal opinion it is becouse God has its start in its future, so he had to create all possibilites to manifest its begining. But it is only my personal experience.
 Quoting: marek. 55727818


you are right, and aliens are only a small part of reality, the forces described in the text(s) are way more powerful than 'aliens'; you are on the right track, as to why everything (evil) is possible now, the hints are there as well, earth is a battleground, wouldnt you want to see what people would really do if they had the chance? look how crazy people go for sex, money, power, control, etc, do you want to hang around with idiots for the next few million years? of course not, who would

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It is your belief or knowledge ?
 Quoting: marek. 55727818


both, but the knowledge came first, i didnt believe anything as it were, read the bible, the book of enoch, and a book called 'greatest story never told',and then the gnostic (nag hammadi) texts, it is a monumental task

undestand that the Gods and gods and demigods and spirits and everything between have been here the whole time, working with our dna, working with our egos, in dreams, in whispers, all the time, the egyptians knew, the indians knew (vedas/mahabarata), the christians figured it out

it is always the same story, the flood, gods, creation of man, intermingling of the gods

find the books, you will see the patterns

just whose blood do you think is in you ? (the answer is in the first book i told you to read) tounge





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