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Stephen Hawking says Pope told him not to Study Beginning of Universe
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Q
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6/18/2006 5:03 AM
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HONG KONG (AP) - Famous astrophysicist Stephen Hawking said Thursday that the late Pope John Paul II once told scientists they should not study the beginning of the universe because it was the work of God.
The British author _ who wrote the best-seller "A Brief History of Time" _ said that the pope made the comments at a cosmology conference at the Vatican.
Hawking, who didn't say when the meeting was held, quoted the pope as saying, "It's OK to study the universe and where it began. But we should not enquire into the beginning itelf because that was the moment of creation and the work of God."
The scientist then joked during a lecture in Hong Kong, "I was glad he didn't realize I had presented a paper at the conference suggesting how the universe began. I didn't fancy the thought of being handed over to the Inquisition like Galileo."
The church condemned Galileo in the 17th century for supporting Nicholas Copernicus' discovery that Earth revolved around the sun. Church teaching at the time placed Earth at the center of the universe.
But in 1992, Pope John Paul II issued a declaration saying that the church's denunciation of Galileo was an error resulting from "tragic mutual incomprehension."
Hawking is one of the best-known theoretical physicists of his generation. He has done groundbreaking research on black holes and the origins of the universe. He proposes that space and time have no beginning and no end.
His hourlong lecture to a sold-out audience at Hong Kong University of Science and Technology was highly theoretical and technical. During the question-and-answer session, Hawking was asked where constants like gravity come from and whether gravity can distort light. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 107176
6/18/2006 5:06 AM | |
Q
User ID: 95924 (OP)
6/18/2006 5:13 AM | | Re: Stephen Hawking says Pope told him not to Study Beginning of Universe | Quote |
some have been trying to silence hawkings with casual threats for the past few years. I remember he had his wrist broken about 3 years ago.
Like the vatican can tell him to not pounder the depths of a perdinant questions such as the orignas of the beginning of our time.
Then causal reference is made to galileo in the sam token, what hypocrits.
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We know that there are forces that are far greater than the speed of light. After all how else can the rapid expansion of the early multiverse be explained (GUT era 10-43 expanded at 10^50, far greater than the speed of light)or the fact the light cannot escape a black hole.
Eisnstein wrote a paper to try and dismiss the possabilities of a dark star as the process for one to form would require breaking his strict laws on the speed of light being the fastest movng thing in the universe.
ie to go below 1.5 times the Schwazschild radius (which is like our sun being compressed to 3km or Earth to about 1 cm), one would have to travel faster than the speed of light, which is impossible (as Einstein quoted). |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 107176
6/18/2006 5:15 AM | | Re: Stephen Hawking says Pope told him not to Study Beginning of Universe | Quote |
Same script as
"Stephen Hawking says Pope told him not to Study Beginning of Universe"
Madonna On The Cross Tour = Illuminati controlled organization selling illuminati creation
[link to www.godlikeproductions.com] |
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Q
User ID: 95924 (OP)
6/18/2006 5:20 AM | | Re: Stephen Hawking says Pope told him not to Study Beginning of Universe | Quote |
We will probably find that the big bang of this universe (the origin) is nothing more than the other side of a super massive event horizon formed like a bubble within a bubble of many interconnected parallel dimensions.
Its far far bigger than anyone ever imagined, enough room to cater for an infinite lifetime of growth, diversity and evolution.
The smartest species will of our universe will cross the bounderies/event horizons to these other places.
I hope we make it one day. There will never be a point in time where we understand this mechanism in its entirty cause it expands, evolves and develops far faster than we can see in this tiny little enclave of a universe. |
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Q
User ID: 95924 (OP)
6/18/2006 5:34 AM | | Re: Stephen Hawking says Pope told him not to Study Beginning of Universe | Quote |
Eistein-Rosen Bridge-
Traveling through the center or throat of a black whole would be fatal but there is an apparent singulairty event in the ring that could be travelled through to enter the next dimensional space, this is called, more or less the Einstein-Rosen Bridge.
To an outside observer it would appear time had stopped but to the participants everything happens and seemingly impossible speeds. |
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kalamity kool 
User ID: 100172
6/18/2006 5:35 AM
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"It's OK to study the universe and where it began. But we should not enquire into the beginning itelf because that was the moment of creation and the work of God."
This is Steven Hawking reporting what the Pope said.
Do you have a link to a direct quote? |
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Old Indian Man
User ID: 107039
6/18/2006 5:37 AM | | Re: Stephen Hawking says Pope told him not to Study Beginning of Universe | Quote |
Yeah those popes I tell ya. They like to hide the truth. OR ELSE
Take Pope Gregory for example. Back in 1582, he invented the Gregorian Calender for tax purposes.
The calender we use today.
Anyone who didn't conforn to this calender was murdered. Actually millions of indigenious people were slaughtered for not conforming.
Does this say anything to you about the Cathlic Church? |
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Q
User ID: 95924 (OP)
6/18/2006 5:42 AM | | Re: Stephen Hawking says Pope told him not to Study Beginning of Universe | Quote |
Sure calamity.
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[link to www.nwfdailynews.com]
Associated Press.
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Its a little to late for the vatican now, WMAP satelite has gone as far back as to the first 380,000 years of the big bang and has provided vital data to support some of the existing theories.
Soon CERN will be fired up to help support speculations and a new more powerfull sat will be launched in 2009 to go closer to the very beginning. |
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Q
User ID: 95924 (OP)
6/18/2006 5:45 AM | | Re: Stephen Hawking says Pope told him not to Study Beginning of Universe | Quote |
OIM, too true. those calenders also draw as away from the cosmological synchronicity of us, our relationship with Earth and the heavens thus dividing us from our inner abilities of intuition.
The chinese are the few whom have managed to stick to the guns on the lunar calender. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 107176
6/18/2006 5:46 AM | | Re: Stephen Hawking says Pope told him not to Study Beginning of Universe | Quote |
Same script as
"Stephen Hawking says Pope told him not to Study Beginning of Universe"
Madonna On The Cross Tour = Illuminati controlled organization selling illuminati creation
[ link to www.godlikeproductions.com]
Pamela Anderson, Stephen Hawking, Pope John Paul II and Louise Veronica "Madonna" Ciccone: illuminati icons
[link to www.godlikeproductions.com] |
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Old Indian Man
User ID: 107039
6/18/2006 5:48 AM | | Re: Stephen Hawking says Pope told him not to Study Beginning of Universe | Quote |
I was thinking more of the Mayan 260 day calender myself.
Here's an interesting bit of trivia.
Did you know that there are 8 million Mayans alive today?
The population of Australia is only 20 million. |
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Q
User ID: 95924 (OP)
6/18/2006 5:50 AM | | Re: Stephen Hawking says Pope told him not to Study Beginning of Universe | Quote |
107176, sorry but hawkings is on our side, he is no part of the illuminati plan. Thanks for the links but I did see your first one and checked it out.
unfortunately he has had a gag order put on him some years ago so cannot say to much without giving things away so obviously. |
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kalamity kool
User ID: 100172
6/18/2006 5:51 AM
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Q
I don't mean to be a pain in the ass
but that article only quotes what Steven Hawking said the Pope said
if you get what I mean? |
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Q
User ID: 95924 (OP)
6/18/2006 5:53 AM | | Re: Stephen Hawking says Pope told him not to Study Beginning of Universe | Quote |
I was unaware so many where alive today.
Yes the Mayan calender is the cream del la cream of calanders, the most comprehensive and acurate of all time and still is today.
This calender speaks synchronisity without the galactic hub, spoke the great wheel and divides down into many cycles all the way down to seasons on Earth. It is truely increadible.
Who many of these mayans still live by the Mayana calender? |
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Q
User ID: 95924 (OP)
6/18/2006 5:56 AM | | Re: Stephen Hawking says Pope told him not to Study Beginning of Universe | Quote |
kalamity, you may not know the guy but Hawkings has nothing to gain by telling this truth, he only gains to loose his credability by issuing this statement.
I beleive in him.
And I certaintly would find a statement such as that said from the POPE to be highly likely.
Whatch this space later, perhaps this will esculate into a response from the pope now it has been made public! |
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kalamity kool
User ID: 100172
6/18/2006 6:00 AM
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Yeah, ok Q, but I just think its more scientific to read the original source of a quote.
If we can rely on that, anyway.
I'm not anti-Hawking or anything. |
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Q
User ID: 95924 (OP)
6/18/2006 6:05 AM | | Re: Stephen Hawking says Pope told him not to Study Beginning of Universe | Quote |
Thats totaly cool Kalamity, I respect you questioning everything to find all the facts possible. This is such a smart thing to do and leads one to determine the truth more acurately for them selves.
But you know, sometimes or many times when things are said by the likes of these people, evidence mysteriously goes missing like the steel from tall buildings in America end being used for cars in China. |
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Old Indian Man
User ID: 107039
6/18/2006 6:12 AM | | Re: Stephen Hawking says Pope told him not to Study Beginning of Universe | Quote |
Acording to the Mayan calender, the universe ( this one ) started 16.4 billion years ago.
We meet out Galactic neighbors in 2007.
After that consciouness surpasses technology between 2008 - 9.
2009-2010 We reach bliss.
2010-2011 We evolve to Conscious co-creation of existance and experience.
Sounds like a plan to me. I like it.
Only 5 more years to go to reach our goal. = JOY |
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kalamity kool
User ID: 100172
6/18/2006 6:20 AM
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I don't care as much about the cars in China as I do about the beginnings of the Universe.
There's so much misleading information, when there is a chance to quote the original source, and possibly have it verified, I think we should take it. |
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Q
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6/18/2006 6:22 AM | | Re: Stephen Hawking says Pope told him not to Study Beginning of Universe | Quote |
Sound awesome to me OIM. I dream of a time like this coming.
Probably the best news I've heard since I was born.
Thanks for the good news :) |
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Q
User ID: 95924 (OP)
6/18/2006 6:25 AM | | Re: Stephen Hawking says Pope told him not to Study Beginning of Universe | Quote |
I will see what can be dug up in the coming week then Kalamity Kool.
If you are that interested in the origins of the universe then go find info about the WMAP project, this is the latest verifiable data gathered from a scientific perspective that can be obtained. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 107203
6/18/2006 7:56 AM | | Re: Stephen Hawking says Pope told him not to Study Beginning of Universe | Quote |
Sort of an inconsequential situation to begin with.
How do you "study" the "beginning of the universe" to begin with?!
It's not as if it just happened last month.
Any conclusion you come to is pure conjecture and has no consequence in the grand scheme of things.
Hawking should have asked the Pope why his priests have such a fondness for little boys
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kalamity kool
User ID: 100172
6/18/2006 8:29 AM
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Point taken Q.
I'm being pedantic and I should go and do my own research.
Thanks for the discussion, though :} |
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shibumi2
User ID: 74188
6/18/2006 8:33 AM
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hawking is a fraud, as is the pope. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 86965
6/18/2006 9:04 AM | | Re: Stephen Hawking says Pope told him not to Study Beginning of Universe | Quote |
hawking is a fraud, as is the pope. Quoting: shibumi2
They are what they are.
The pope and a man in a prison of the mind
cut off from nature..
I LOVE THIS QUOTE from JPII
tragic mutual incomprehension."
yes indeed
I have to say JPII seemed a sweetheart and when I read that he endorsed the truth of
...the answer my friend is blowin in the wind..
he said enough... not that I need his validation or permission to do ANything , but it was certainly
not the inquisition talking.
But the inquisition
did have a thing or two to say about it. The modern inquisition, you know, the group RATZ led prior to his ..ascension.. to the throne.
WHO EXPECTS THE INQUISITION?
(neeneenee)
In Constantine's Sword, the author Carroll dedicated a chapter to the new inquisition, as HE HIMSELF had experienced it. It's nothing I can put in a nut shell, but it speaks volumes re: internal matters in VC.. I am sure you could find his words in a google search if you were so inclined. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 28446
6/18/2006 9:16 AM | | Re: Stephen Hawking says Pope told him not to Study Beginning of Universe | Quote |
Dont forget that the present pope, BenedictXVI aka the PanzerKardinal Ratzinger, has been the HEAD of the Inquisition! |
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Halcyon Dayz
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6/18/2006 1:16 PM
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Hawking tells this story in 'A Brief History of Time'.
From here: Chapter #8 [link to www.physics.metu.edu.tr]
Throughout the 1970s I had been mainly studying black holes, but in 1981 my interest in questions about the origin and fate of the universe was reawakened when I attended a conference on cosmology organised by the Jesuits in the Vatican. The Catholic Church had made a bad mistake with Galileo when it tried to lay down the law on a question of science, declaring that the sun went round the earth. Now, centuries later, it had decided to invite a number of experts to advise it on cosmology.
At the end of the conference the participants were granted an audience with the Pope. He told us that it was all right to study the evolution of the universe after the big bang, but we should not inquire into the big bang itself because that was the moment of Creation and therefore the work of God.
I was glad then that he did not know the subject of the talk I had just given at the conference – the possibility that space-time was finite but had no boundary, which means that it had no beginning, no moment of Creation.
I had no desire to share the fate of Galileo, with whom I feel a strong sense of identity, partly because of the coincidence of having been born exactly 300 years after his death! Quoting: Stephen Hawking
An idea is not responsible for the people who believe in it. - Don Marquis
To defy the authority of empirical evidence is to disqualify oneself as someone worthy of critical engagement in a dialogue. - Tenzin Gyatso
Entia non sunt multiplicanda praeter necessitatem - William of Ockham
The truth maybe out there, but lies are inside your head - Terry Pratchett
HALCYON DAYS STOP BEING A DIPSHIT ALL YOUR LIFE YOU MORON - Anonymous Coward |
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X.Y.Z.
User ID: 46032
6/18/2006 1:53 PM | | Re: Stephen Hawking says Pope told him not to Study Beginning of Universe | Quote |
Those bullshiters out of Rome (and their bastard Protestant offsprings) have been saying basically the same thing for centuries - stay stupid and believe us.
And the funny thing is, most people do. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 95924 (OP)
6/19/2006 2:01 AM | | Re: Stephen Hawking says Pope told him not to Study Beginning of Universe | Quote |
I LOVE THIS QUOTE from JPII
tragic mutual incomprehension."
yes indeed
The modern inquisition, you know, the group RATZ led prior to his ..ascension.. to the throne.
WHO EXPECTS THE INQUISITION?
(neeneenee)
In Constantine's Sword, the author Carroll dedicated a chapter to the new inquisition, as HE HIMSELF had experienced it. it speaks volumes re: internal matters in VC.. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 86965
Indeed!!!
Mis-communiction often brings things apart. Instead of taking the time out to clarify exactly what is being communicated, assumptions are made and we know the results of assumptions.
Either way I'll be damned if anyone is going to tell me I cannot question things/anything.
Learnt to long and hard to realize that everything should be questioned until a plausible answer can be comprhended.
BUT WHY? - HOW?
A classic quote for you (sorry I cannot remember who said this and it may not be entirly accurate)
"A poet aims to get his head in the heavens. A logician aims to get the heavens into his head. And then his head splits."
Wha could we say about the likes of VC in this quote. Maybe something like;
And the pope aims to keep everyones heads out of the heavens and the heavens out of their heads thus creating pure darkness. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 86965
6/19/2006 11:13 AM | | Re: Stephen Hawking says Pope told him not to Study Beginning of Universe | Quote |
You are asking for an other meta4
re: head anus
ROSE BUD?? |
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