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All prophecies the bible says will happen in End Times are happening or close to being completed at present

 
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Adding more to the list - characteristics of people in last days:

2 Timothy 3 v1-5

But mark this: There will be terrible times in the last days. People will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boastful, proud, abusive, disobedient to their parents, ungrateful, unholy, without love, unforgiving, slanderous, without self-control, brutal, not lovers of the good, treacherous, rash, conceited, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God-- having a form of godliness but denying its power. Have nothing to do with them.

and 2 Timothy 4 v3-4

For the time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear. They will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths.
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Every once in a while I run across something I read and like to post it that adds to the list - like the quote above.

Paul in Romans 1 gives us a list also. I won't post the whole thing, but it shows God's disgust for the human race, evil and why he will bring his wrath down on those who have these traits.

Romans 1:28

...just as they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, so God gave them over to a depraved mind....they are gossips, slanders, Godhaters, insolent, arrogant and boastful....
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Jesus in Mathew 24 said when the end is about to take place people will still be eating, drinking and marrying. It's easy for me to see that people are not aware of what is happening. Take for instance Fukashima is destroying the pacific ocean. This would be one of the trumpet judgements - 1/3rd of the earth's seas is destroyed. Or the droughts happening today.

Most people do continue to live as usual.
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Pharisees (religious leaders of Jesus time) in their wisdom became fools. They missed every prophecy in the old testament about Jesus.

Here are a few out of many:

Gen 49:10 From the tribe of Judah
Mic 5:2 Born in Bethlehem
Is 53:3 Rejected by his own
Ps 22:17 Sodiers gambled for his coat

None of these by themselves mean much, but add them all together and they describe the life of Jesus.

That's why they must all exist at the same time, as Jesus tells us: When we see all these things he listed.
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Pharisees (religious leaders of Jesus time) in their wisdom became fools. They missed every prophecy in the old testament about Jesus.

Here are a few out of many:

Gen 49:10 From the tribe of Judah
Mic 5:2 Born in Bethlehem
Is 53:3 Rejected by his own
Ps 22:17 Sodiers gambled for his coat

None of these by themselves mean much, but add them all together and they describe the life of Jesus.

That's why they must all exist at the same time, as Jesus tells us: When we see all these things he listed.
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Sodiers = Soldiers

Some make the claim - they don't believe the bible because men forget.

I say would you Ever Forget - a person who did miracles right before your very eyes. Died on the cross, and was resurrected?

Even Peter (denied Jesus 3 times) - ran for his life and hid after Jesus died on the cross.

However, after Jesus rose from the dead and appeared before him, when he was eventually crucified for Jesus - asked to be hung upside down - because he was not good enough to die the way his master did.
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Next item in the list - tracking people.

Someone suggested that there wouldn't be enough people in the world to need computers.

The bible tells us just before Armageddon, these countries will exist for sure:

Kings of the north, south and east; Egypt, libyans, Ethiopians, Edom, Moab, Ammon (Dan 11).

Also we are told by God:

Is 10:22

Israelis are too numerous to count

Is 11:11

Israelis will be come from Assyria, Egypt, Pathros, Cush, Elam, Shinar, Hamath and the Islands of the sea.

12 ....and shall assemble the outcasts of Israel, a gather together the dispersed of Judah from the four corners of the earth.

There are obviously plenty of people worldwide left - even if the mark of the beast doesn't happen until almost the very end of the Great Tribulation.

The worst case scenario with all the plagues and deaths would probably leave 2 billion on this earth worldwide.

It would be impossible to track these people without the internet, especially since the entire 1/3rd world seas (Pacific?) destroyed, all ships in it destroyed etc.
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#19 refers to the Persian empire, around 500 bc, in my opinion.
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Look for the thread on prince William on this forum, it's active now, which shows it's an indicator of end times...
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Look for the thread on prince William on this forum, it's active now, which shows it's an indicator of end times...
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Has anyone read the book "The Harbinger: The Ancient Mystery that Holds the Secret of America's Future"? It takes one very small and often missed bible verse Isaiah 9:10 and ties it into the 'ritual' events surrounding 9-11 NYC. That small verse defines God's punishment toward Israel for turning away from Him, and now focuses on America doing the same (taking prayer out of schools, etc.)Very interesting parallels between the two countries and it's so obvious that TPTB knew all about that verse and it's mockery toward God by how they ritualized the 9-11 site after the towers collapsed. America, like Israel, was a nation founded under God. Look at America now...and how she's turned her back on God. So yes, the 'End Times' are here and are close to being completed.
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...

Where does it actually say that? (it sounds more like American Evangelican ranting)
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Daniel 8:1 I watched the ram (Iran) as it charged.....It did as it pleased and became great

5 As I was thinking about this, suddenly a goat with a prominent horn between its eyes came from the west, crossing the whole earth without touching the ground.

Notice it was without touching the ground - in those days they had to touch the grown - chariots, horses etc. This is a battle that happens in the AIR -
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In that chapter Alexander the Great is the King of Grecia and the ram represents the kinks of the silver kingdom who are covered in earlier chapters of Daniel.

Alec took control of Jerusalem until he died a few weeks later and then one of 4 Generals took control in the name of Grecia. It is out of Grecia or after Greece that 4 kings will follow and with 4 different kings one will complete the things listed and even then the iron/clay has not yet started to unfold which would include all of Da:9 as Rome fulfilled all these verses.

(the direction you to get to Jerusalem from Rome)

Da:8:9:
And out of one of them came forth a little horn,
which waxed exceeding great,
toward the south,
and toward the east,
and toward the pleasant land.

(Rome was the authority with the sword all through the writing of the NT. Peter and Paul and Jesus all had dealings with Rome in terms of their deaths and Rome was given the task of disassembling the temple)

Da:8:10:
And it waxed great,
even to the host of heaven;
and it cast down some of the host and of the stars to the ground,
and stamped upon them.

(Rome was part of the cross event also)
Da:8:11:
Yea,
he magnified himself even to the prince of the host,
and by him the daily sacrifice was taken away,
and the place of his sanctuary was cast down.

(by the time 450AD arrived they had corrupted the NT yet the corrupted Church survived and today it is represented by the RCC)

Da:8:12:
And an host was given him against the daily sacrifice by reason of transgression,
and it cast down the truth to the ground;
and it practised, and prospered.
 Quoting: Wayfaring Stranger


Say what you will - I believe what Gabriel the angel tells Daniel - not man's interpretation:

Daniel 8:17

“Son of man,” he said to me, “understand that the vision concerns the time of the end.”

19 He said: “I am going to tell you what will happen later in the time of wrath, because the vision concerns the appointed time of the end.
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...

In that chapter Alexander the Great is the King of Grecia and the ram represents the kinks of the silver kingdom who are covered in earlier chapters of Daniel.

Alec took control of Jerusalem until he died a few weeks later and then one of 4 Generals took control in the name of Grecia. It is out of Grecia or after Greece that 4 kings will follow and with 4 different kings one will complete the things listed and even then the iron/clay has not yet started to unfold which would include all of Da:9 as Rome fulfilled all these verses.

(the direction you to get to Jerusalem from Rome)

Da:8:9:
And out of one of them came forth a little horn,
which waxed exceeding great,
toward the south,
and toward the east,
and toward the pleasant land.

(Rome was the authority with the sword all through the writing of the NT. Peter and Paul and Jesus all had dealings with Rome in terms of their deaths and Rome was given the task of disassembling the temple)

Da:8:10:
And it waxed great,
even to the host of heaven;
and it cast down some of the host and of the stars to the ground,
and stamped upon them.

(Rome was part of the cross event also)
Da:8:11:
Yea,
he magnified himself even to the prince of the host,
and by him the daily sacrifice was taken away,
and the place of his sanctuary was cast down.

(by the time 450AD arrived they had corrupted the NT yet the corrupted Church survived and today it is represented by the RCC)

Da:8:12:
And an host was given him against the daily sacrifice by reason of transgression,
and it cast down the truth to the ground;
and it practised, and prospered.
 Quoting: Wayfaring Stranger


Say what you will - I believe what Gabriel the angel tells Daniel - not man's interpretation:

Daniel 8:17

“Son of man,” he said to me, “understand that the vision concerns the time of the end.”

19 He said: “I am going to tell you what will happen later in the time of wrath, because the vision concerns the appointed time of the end.
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examples of what Gabriel refers to

Daniel 11:27....for yet the end shall be at the time appointed.

11:5 it is yet for a time appointed

Then we get the end

Then Daniel 12

And at that time shall Michael stand up for .....thy people

For there shall be a time of trouble such as never was since there was a nation.

Mathew 24

21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. 22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.

I don't recall this ever happening
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In re-reading this I can see I didn't make myself very clear in what I wanted to say.

That's what happens when I run to and fro' :)

But Jesus(?) in Daniel 12 and Jesus in Mathew 24 are saying the exact same thing.

Mathew 24

15 “So when you see standing in the holy place ‘the abomination that causes desolation,’[a] spoken of through the prophet Daniel—let the reader understand— 16 then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains. 17 Let no one on the housetop go down to take anything out of the house. 18 Let no one in the field go back to get their cloak. 19 How dreadful it will be in those days for pregnant women and nursing mothers! 20 Pray that your flight will not take place in winter or on the Sabbath. 21 For then there will be great distress, unequaled from the beginning of the world until now—and never to be equaled again.

22 “If those days had not been cut short, no one would survive,..."

Daniel 12

4 But you, Daniel, roll up and seal the words of the scroll until the time of the end

7 The man clothed in linen, who was above the waters of the river, lifted his right hand and his left hand toward heaven, and I heard him swear by him who lives forever, saying, “It will be for a time, times and half a time. When the power of the holy people has been finally broken, all these things will be completed.”

9 He replied, “Go your way, Daniel, because the words are rolled up and sealed until the time of the end.

11 “From the time that the daily sacrifice is abolished and the abomination that causes desolation is set up, there will be 1,290 days. 12 Blessed is the one who waits for and reaches the end of the 1,335 days.

13 “As for you, go your way till the end. You will rest, and then at the end of the days you will rise to receive your allotted inheritance.”

Daniel 10

4 On the twenty-fourth day of the first month, as I was standing on the bank of the great river, the Tigris, 5 I looked up and there before me was a man dressed in linen, with a belt of fine gold from Uphaz around his waist. 6 His body was like topaz, his face like lightning, his eyes like flaming torches, his arms and legs like the gleam of burnished bronze, and his voice like the sound of a multitude.

Revelation 1

12 I turned around to see the voice that was speaking to me. And when I turned I saw seven golden lampstands, 13 and among the lampstands was someone like a son of man,[d] dressed in a robe reaching down to his feet and with a golden sash around his chest. 14 The hair on his head was white like wool, as white as snow, and his eyes were like blazing fire. 15 His feet were like bronze glowing in a furnace, and his voice was like the sound of rushing waters.

Daniel 8 and 10,11,12 (10,11,12 are one vision) are all describing end times events i.e the great tribulation.

IMHO, something that has not occurred yet.
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#19 refers to the Persian empire, around 500 bc, in my opinion.
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My answer to this is in the above posts among others.
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Next item in the list - tracking people.

Someone suggested that there wouldn't be enough people in the world to need computers.

The bible tells us just before Armageddon, these countries will exist for sure:

Kings of the north, south and east; Egypt, libyans, Ethiopians, Edom, Moab, Ammon (Dan 11).

Also we are told by God:

Is 10:22

Israelis are too numerous to count

Is 11:11

Israelis will be come from Assyria, Egypt, Pathros, Cush, Elam, Shinar, Hamath and the Islands of the sea.

12 ....and shall assemble the outcasts of Israel, a gather together the dispersed of Judah from the four corners of the earth.

There are obviously plenty of people worldwide left - even if the mark of the beast doesn't happen until almost the very end of the Great Tribulation.

The worst case scenario with all the plagues and deaths would probably leave 2 billion on this earth worldwide.

It would be impossible to track these people without the internet, especially since the entire 1/3rd world seas (Pacific?) destroyed, all ships in it destroyed etc.
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There will come a time when all people, great and small, rich and poor will be required to take a mark to be able to buy or sell.

Unless the ability exists to do this, all efforts would be in futile. The capability exists today.
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mark of beast

Revelation 13

16And he causes all, the small and the great, and the rich and the poor, and the free men and the slaves, to be given a mark on their right hand or on their forehead, 17and he provides that no one will be able to buy or to sell, except the one who has the mark, either the name of the beast or the number of his name. 18Here is wisdom. Let him who has understanding calculate the number of the beast, for the number is that of a man; and his number is six hundred and sixty-six.

[link to www.thepropheticyears.com]



Computers and the mark of the Beast economic system

By Don Koenig

For the first time in history there is something that can be placed in the hand that can control the ability to buy or sell on a world scale. The prophecy spoken about in the book of Revelation where no one can buy or sell without the mark can now be literally fulfilled using computer technology that allows for a mark of the Beast economic system..

Computers and the Internet now control more than ninety-five percent of buying and selling in the developed part of the world. Computer chips have been developed that can be implanted in the human body to replace credit and debit cards. Similar chips have been created to track criminals and pets and military personnel by satellite.

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we should be aware that control of buying and selling on a global scale is now possible. The possibility of it being used and thus fulfilling the mark of the Beast economic system prophecy in Revelation is a real possibility for this generation.
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Persecution of christians
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Islamic group urges supporters to kill Christians


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The violent jihadist group aiming to put Nigeria under Islamic law is calling on its supporters to go to churches and kill Christians.

Boko Haram, in a video, also warns police to get out of the way because the group’s drive for Islamic law, or Shariah, will not be stopped.

Islam analyst Theodore Shoebat noted the jihadists sing an ominous song in the video that is “purely in accordance with Islamic tenets.”

They sing: “We are working for Allah and must bring Shariah to existence; we are committed to protecting Muslims from being annihilated by infidels. We are going to kill them. We will enter churches and slaughter Christians and barracks.





Now Muslim parents are complaining about flyers for Easter egg hunts

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In Dearborn, Mich., home to over 40,000 Americans of Arab descent, some Muslim parents have complained about flyers handed out at public schools advertising an Easter egg hunt at a local Presbyterian church.

The Muslim parents assert that the flyers – emblazoned with the word “Eggstravaganza!” – violate the separation of church and state widely ascribed to the First Amendment’s Establishment Clause, reports the Detroit Free Press.

Students at three Dearborn elementary schools received the flyers. A large number of Muslim students attend the schools.

The “Eggstravaganza!” is scheduled to take place on April 12 event at Cherry Hill Presbyterian Church in Dearborn.

The flyer urges students to RSVP “to secure your free spot,” note the Free Press. The associated imagery includes a festive bunny and some eggs.

The event will feature a traditional Easter egg hunt as well as an egg toss and a relay race.

“It really bothered my two kids,” parent Majed Moughni told the Free Press. “My son was like, ‘Dad, I really don’t feel comfortable getting these flyers, telling me to go to church. I thought churches are not supposed to mix with schools.”
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mark of beast

Revelation 13

16And he causes all, the small and the great, and the rich and the poor, and the free men and the slaves, to be given a mark on their right hand or on their forehead, 17and he provides that no one will be able to buy or to sell, except the one who has the mark, either the name of the beast or the number of his name. 18Here is wisdom. Let him who has understanding calculate the number of the beast, for the number is that of a man; and his number is six hundred and sixty-six.

[link to www.thepropheticyears.com]



Computers and the mark of the Beast economic system

By Don Koenig

For the first time in history there is something that can be placed in the hand that can control the ability to buy or sell on a world scale. The prophecy spoken about in the book of Revelation where no one can buy or sell without the mark can now be literally fulfilled using computer technology that allows for a mark of the Beast economic system..

Computers and the Internet now control more than ninety-five percent of buying and selling in the developed part of the world. Computer chips have been developed that can be implanted in the human body to replace credit and debit cards. Similar chips have been created to track criminals and pets and military personnel by satellite.

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we should be aware that control of buying and selling on a global scale is now possible. The possibility of it being used and thus fulfilling the mark of the Beast economic system prophecy in Revelation is a real possibility for this generation.
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"Soon all people who allow the mark of the Beast to be implanted may have a full time neural link to all of the information in the world linked through the Internet and they may may also have a link from their brain to the Antichrist figure and mark of the Beast economic system of Revelation." (From the link you posted)

The mark of the beast is not technology. Indeed, technology could be used to help carry out some or all of the measures for the mark of the beast. But the mark itself is not technology.

2 Peter 1:20-21 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. 21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.

What we have to understand, is that the mark and beast have to be understood by Scripture. So, what is a beast according to Scripture?

Daniel 7:23 Thus he said, The fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom upon earth, which shall be diverse from all kingdoms, and shall devour the whole earth, and shall tread it down, and break it in pieces.

According to Scripture, a beast is a kingdom. So then, we must find the mark of a specific kingdom.

Next, identify the principles of the mark. Does Scripture hint that the mark will be something that you can place inside of your skin? Or does it hint at something else?


Exodus 13:7-9, 16 Unleavened bread shall be eaten seven days; and there shall no leavened bread be seen with thee, neither shall there be leaven seen with thee in all thy quarters. 8 And thou shalt shew thy son in that day, saying, This is done because of that which the LORD did unto me when I came forth out of Egypt. 9 And it shall be for a sign unto thee upon thine hand, and for a memorial between thine eyes, that the LORD'S law may be in thy mouth: for with a strong hand hath the LORD brought thee out of Egypt. ... 16 And it shall be for a token upon thine hand, and for frontlets between thine eyes: for by strength of hand the LORD brought us forth out of Egypt.

Notice how this feast was to be sign and/or token upon their hand, and for a memorial between their eyes. Sound familiar?

Revelation 13:16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:

Notice those that receive the mark of the beast receive it in the same place that God commanded His people to place the sign/token/memorial of the feast of unleavened bread. This is not the only place where something is upon the hand and the forehead for the people of God.

Deuteronomy 6:6-8 And these words, which I command thee this day, shall be in thine heart: 7 And thou shalt teach them diligently unto thy children, and shalt talk of them when thou sittest in thine house, and when thou walkest by the way, and when thou liest down, and when thou risest up. 8 And thou shalt bind them for a sign upon thine hand, and they shall be as frontlets between thine eyes.

Notice how the words of God were supposed to be in their hearts, and were to be bound for a sign on their hand, that they may be as frontlets between their eyes.

Deuteronomy 11:8, 13, 18-19 Therefore shall ye keep all the commandments which I command you this day, that ye may be strong, and go in and possess the land, whither ye go to possess it; ... 13 And it shall come to pass, if ye shall hearken diligently unto my commandments which I command you this day, to love the LORD your God, and to serve him with all your heart and with all your soul, ... 18 Therefore shall ye lay up these my words in your heart and in your soul, and bind them for a sign upon your hand, that they may be as frontlets between your eyes. 19 And ye shall teach them your children, speaking of them when thou sittest in thine house, and when thou walkest by the way, when thou liest down, and when thou risest up.

Notice how the commandments were to be laid in their hearts, and they were to be bound for a sign upon their hand, that they may be as frontlets between their eyes. Those are the same places mentioned where those that receive the mark of the beast.

Therefore, according to Scripture, it will not be a physical mark placed upon the skin or in the skin. It will be a spiritual mark, and those that accept it, will have the mark of the beast.

Please notice also, where the seal of God is placed:


Revelation 7:3 Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads.

Will God place a literal mark upon or in their foreheads? Or will something else be sealed among God's children?

Isaiah 8:16 Bind up the testimony, seal the law among my disciples.

The mark of the beast and the Seal of God is about the Law of God, the 10 Commandments. Christians must obey every single precept. Not one of them is to be forgotten. Every single one is established in the NT. Though saved by grace through faith, the law is still to be obeyed. Not to be saved, but because we are saved.

Ephesians 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

Romans 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.

Being saved by grace does not give us the license to sin.

Romans 6:14-15 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace. 15 What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.

And to be clear, sin is transgressing the law of God, the Ten Commandments.

1 John 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

Being saved by grace delivers us from the law - not from keeping the law, but delivers us from being dead wherein we were held.

Romans 7:6 But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.

Notice Paul's words. We are not delivered from keeping the law, but from being dead wherein we were held. The law is ordained to life, but the lawbreaker is condemned to death.

Romans 7:10 And the commandment, which was ordained to life, I found to be unto death.

Those in Christ Jesus have no condemnation, for He died for so that those in Him would live. This does not give us the license to sin, but delivers us from the death wherein the law held us. Notice how in verse 6 Paul then declares that we are to serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter - that is, being obedient in spirit, and not just outwardly.


Romans 7:12 Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.

Romans 7:25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.

As Paul shows, he serves the law of God with his mind. We Christians are to do the same.
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"Therefore, according to Scripture, it will not be a physical mark placed upon the skin or in the skin. It will be a spiritual mark, and those that accept it, will have the mark of the beast."

It's good to examine all possibilities.

What if the mark, in part, is physical, though? What's if it's a mockery of God's mark? What if it's to "seal" people who have already rejected God?

Maybe we should err on the side of caution and simply refuse any mark, physical or spiritual.
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"Therefore, according to Scripture, it will not be a physical mark placed upon the skin or in the skin. It will be a spiritual mark, and those that accept it, will have the mark of the beast."

It's good to examine all possibilities.

What if the mark, in part, is physical, though? What's if it's a mockery of God's mark? What if it's to "seal" people who have already rejected God?

Maybe we should err on the side of caution and simply refuse any mark, physical or spiritual.
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I am not saying that everyone should run around and get microchips now, let that be understood.

What I am saying, is that the actual mark of the beast is not a physical mark placed in or on the body. It is spiritual, according to the Word of God.

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"Therefore, according to Scripture, it will not be a physical mark placed upon the skin or in the skin. It will be a spiritual mark, and those that accept it, will have the mark of the beast."

It's good to examine all possibilities.

What if the mark, in part, is physical, though? What's if it's a mockery of God's mark? What if it's to "seal" people who have already rejected God?

Maybe we should err on the side of caution and simply refuse any mark, physical or spiritual.
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I am not saying that everyone should run around and get microchips now, let that be understood.

What I am saying, is that the actual mark of the beast is not a physical mark placed in or on the body. It is spiritual, according to the Word of God.

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The passages you posted suggest that God's mark is spiritual. I can easily see the beast making a mockery of this, having us take a physical mark.

If the MOTB isn't a physical mark, then how will we prevented from buying and selling if we don't have it? Will we all have to bow down to an image every time we make a transaction?

As has been noted, we are at a unique point in time where the technology exists to both mark every human and keep track of them. In bygone times, tattoos could easily have been forged and faked, made to wash or wear off. In present times, we are learning how to make permanent marks that uniquely identify individuals and can't easily be forged.

Check out that "Pulse Passwords" story on the sidebar. They're talking about reading a person's heartbeat and using it as a sort of key or password as an additional security measure for microchip implants.

Why does the world keep producing these things? It's leading up to something ugly.
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Maybe we're all right about the MOTB.

Looking at Revelation 13:15 again:

"16And he causes all, the small and the great, and the rich and the poor, and the free men and the slaves, to be given a mark on their right hand or on their forehead, 17and he provides that no one will be able to buy or to sell, except the one who has the mark, either the name of the beast or the number of his name.

Those words are implying that the mark can be "the name of the beast" or "the number of his name." That's at least two different things. One spiritual and one physical? Why would people be given the beast's number? Or is it that people are given a tag, and the tag belongs to an entity whose number adds up to three sixes somehow?

So many questions. Sometimes I think the thing's going to be upon us before we really know for sure.
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Oops, fixed some things:

Maybe we're all right about the MOTB.

Looking at Revelation 13:16-17 again:

"16And he causes all, the small and the great, and the rich and the poor, and the free men and the slaves, to be given a mark on their right hand or on their forehead, 17and he provides that no one will be able to buy or to sell, except the one who has the mark, either the name of the beast or the number of his name.

Those words are implying that the mark can be "the name of the beast" or "the number of his name." That's at least two different things. One spiritual and one physical? Why would people be given the beast's number? Or is it that people are given a tag, and the tag belongs to an entity whose number adds up to three sixes somehow?

So many questions. Sometimes I think the thing's going to be upon us before we really know for sure.
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At this point I would like to discuss the false prophet.

The false prophet in Revelation appears to be the person pulling all the strings.

What does he have to gain by forcing all to worship the image of the beast, and have all worldwide take the mark of the beast, otherwise they can't buy or sell anything.
Who is the "Real" world leader here? The false prophet or the AC?

I suppose we already have a precedence for this today.
Glenn Beck did a series on who is really the puppeteer pulling all the strings. He believed it to be George Soros who essentially controls our leaders (cough, cough) in the USA.

So one very influential person controls the AC and indirectly the WORLD..

Not one or 2 continents - but the entire world.
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There is no doubt if one reads all of Mathew 24 it is referring to end times, and then the Great Tribulation.

Up to, the very end all the world actually still appears to be 'intact' i.e Jesus' remark that as in the days of Noah people will still be marrying, eating and drinking.
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Part of the time of Noah was fallen angels being the kings and during the 5th and 6th trumps fallen angels are the kings, the 8th king in Revelation is the Beast from the Pit. The wound was when it was put into the the Pit, that wound id healed for 42 months when it is released. Those 42 months are called tribulation and they are the 1st and 2nd woes. The 3rd woe is the 7 vials and they contain more wrath than the 42 months even though they are poured out in just a few hours the ones affected are affected for the next 1,000 years. That 3rd woe is specifically called great tribulation in the Bible. Isaiah:65 shows why it is called that rather than leaving the 'great' part out.
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At this point I would like to discuss the false prophet.

The false prophet in Revelation appears to be the person pulling all the strings.

What does he have to gain by forcing all to worship the image of the beast, and have all worldwide take the mark of the beast, otherwise they can't buy or sell anything.
Who is the "Real" world leader here? The false prophet or the AC?

I suppose we already have a precedence for this today.
Glenn Beck did a series on who is really the puppeteer pulling all the strings. He believed it to be George Soros who essentially controls our leaders (cough, cough) in the USA.

So one very influential person controls the AC and indirectly the WORLD..

Not one or 2 continents - but the entire world.
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Revelation 13

7 It was given power to wage war against God’s holy people and to conquer them. And it was given authority over every tribe, people, language and nation. 8 All inhabitants of the earth will worship the beast—all whose names have not been written in the Lamb’s book of life, the Lamb who was slain from the creation of the world.

15 The second beast was given power to give breath to the image of the first beast, so that the image could speak and cause all who refused to worship the image to be killed. 16 It also forced all people, great and small, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on their right hands or on their foreheads, 17 so that they could not buy or sell unless they had the mark, which is the name of the beast or the number of its name.

Daniel 7

23 ......and shall devour the whole earth, and shall tread it down, and break it in pieces
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At this point I would like to discuss the false prophet.

The false prophet in Revelation appears to be the person pulling all the strings.

What does he have to gain by forcing all to worship the image of the beast, and have all worldwide take the mark of the beast, otherwise they can't buy or sell anything.
Who is the "Real" world leader here? The false prophet or the AC?

I suppose we already have a precedence for this today.
Glenn Beck did a series on who is really the puppeteer pulling all the strings. He believed it to be George Soros who essentially controls our leaders (cough, cough) in the USA.

So one very influential person controls the AC and indirectly the WORLD..

Not one or 2 continents - but the entire world.
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Revelation 13

7 It was given power to wage war against God’s holy people and to conquer them. And it was given authority over every tribe, people, language and nation. 8 All inhabitants of the earth will worship the beast—all whose names have not been written in the Lamb’s book of life, the Lamb who was slain from the creation of the world.

15 The second beast was given power to give breath to the image of the first beast, so that the image could speak and cause all who refused to worship the image to be killed. 16 It also forced all people, great and small, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on their right hands or on their foreheads, 17 so that they could not buy or sell unless they had the mark, which is the name of the beast or the number of its name.

Daniel 7

23 ......and shall devour the whole earth, and shall tread it down, and break it in pieces
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That means China, India, Russia, USA, EU, you name it. Good luck controlling world, buying or selling without the internet or computer.
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Out of the last 6,000 it's only been the last 100 years or so knowledge has exploded exponentially.

The Wright brothers were designing their first airplane a little over 100 years ago, and yet the bible in Daniel 8 tells us a goat will attack the ram from the west across the whole face of the earth without touching the ground.

When we are told people will run to and fro - they run like a herd today, following the crowd They are afraid to say certain words because it may mean losing their jobs or worse jail time. If anyone gets offended with a gov't display or almost anything - it is removed. Political correctness has gone to extremes.

But if we take it literally - we can see soccer moms, busy execs, we are all busy running to and fro.

Yet these are the words the bible uses to describe end times:

Knowledge will increase
People will run to and fro
Many will be offended
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If you want to know how Christians pray, why don't you go to a church and observe for yourself?
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Which church should I go to? Which denomination? Catholic, Protestant, Presbyterian, Evangelical, Orthodox, Lutheran, LDS, SDA?

P.S. I've been to church many times in my youth.
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I would highly recommend a good Bible teaching non-denominational church.
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Here is a bible teaching non-denonminational church online Sundays 9am, 10:45, 12:30 and 5:30

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How can one person conquer the entire world peacefully

It appears this can be accomplished through Trade.

Look at the EU - It originally started as the Common Market, and expanded to take over just about everything, using commerce as it's stated purpose.
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Also, the world has pretty much been co-opted through trade.

We are a global economic community, and it exists with cultures that are world's apart (literally and figuratively).

IMF - refers to this economic community as the world's citizens, and has goals to "rebalance" all nations - another name for redistribution of wealth.
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Also, the world has pretty much been co-opted through trade.

We are a global economic community, and it exists with cultures that are world's apart (literally and figuratively).

IMF - refers to this economic community as the world's citizens, and has goals to "rebalance" all nations - another name for redistribution of wealth.
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People can be controlled economically by determining what they can buy or sell. It becomes a kind of rationing,
to bring about this so called "only FAIR" doctrine - distribution of wealth.

Strange, how everything seems to be carefully orchestrated, heading in the direction of a NWO - even with rumours of wars and wars raging all over the world, we are completely interdependent, so much so that a country can wipe out another country with sanctions or not trading with them at all.
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Also, the world has pretty much been co-opted through trade.

We are a global economic community, and it exists with cultures that are world's apart (literally and figuratively).

IMF - refers to this economic community as the world's citizens, and has goals to "rebalance" all nations - another name for redistribution of wealth.
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People can be controlled economically by determining what they can buy or sell. It becomes a kind of rationing,
to bring about this so called "only FAIR" doctrine - distribution of wealth.

Strange, how everything seems to be carefully orchestrated, heading in the direction of a NWO - even with rumours of wars and wars raging all over the world, we are completely interdependent, so much so that a country can wipe out another country with sanctions or not trading with them at all.
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This is the exact sequence we see in Revelation 6:1, the first seal judgement where the world is conquered peacefully, the second seal, the horse of war where peace is taken from the world.

Book of Daniel says this one world leader gains control through deceit and flattery.

This person is referred to as a beast in both Daniel and Revelation.

Many have named him the antichrist.

So obviously, the world has been conquered peacefully through trade agreements and countries cooperating on some levels with the UN and the IMF.

I can get online and use my credit card to buy things from countries other than the USA. I can use ebay, amazon and other markets to sell my products.

It is not a far stretch of the imagination to see we are but a small step from having to make the choice of whether to take the mark of the beast or not.





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