romantic love is an illusion

Doesn't matter, love and attachment are emotions and thus of the body. You can tweak the body to feel a determinate emotion if you wish, they're not real.

Unless you passion is love.
To create yourself and your dreams.
To fight for them.
To create something eternal, to redefine.

Perhaps it's all a program, but I can't ignore that what my heart cries out for is to love someone, to love another, in a romantic way. Follow your heart and excitement. This path is not for everyone, but the mind in my opinion eventually ends up in a loop, creation comes from inspiration, something not entirely logical.

Or as Hollywood said best....



You get what you focus on

Interesting thread.

This path is for everyone though
All living things want to procreate, its really not that special..

its great to have fun and flirt and make love and be with a person sharing intimate thoughts moments experiences but its really not meant to last forever

its a biological function to serve the purpose of procreation create community and so forth...its being sold to us as a spiritual revelation

Only people who are lacking something within have a need to fill it with another person. Problem is, another person will never be able to wholly fill your own void. That's why people are always unhappy seeking something they will never be able to find outside of themselves.

everyone is looking for a mate to complete them
its like an accessory almost

an accessory in the form of sentiment

What do you think happens when that void is filled, what would ultimate truth look like.

Duality is all about the drama, the excitement, the fear of loss, the unknowing, the possibility for growth. The relationship between opposites allows for the ebb and flow. To want to hold that paradox, to realize an essential unity, but to remain separate and love because it's selfish, and yet to enjoy the tease and eternal incomplete unsatisfaction... because it means you can always fight more and grow more for all eternity. To have a partner who fights along side you in your eternal quest for growth. Because afterall what goes around, comes around, and if you have a partner you can only be seperated together. With dualism we simply wouldn't be. I think to try and end that could only result in being alone. I think more joy comes in shared pleasure.

When a man comes of age he should recognize that ALL women are prostitutes.

Prostitutes believe that their vagina has value. Prostitutes expect a man to have money and pay for them because they have a vagina that they think has value therefor making them prostitutes.

A women expects you to spend money on her on a date because they believe their vagina has value therefor making them prostitutes.

If you have a satisfactory amount of money a woman will sign a long term contract of prostitution with you giving you exclusive rights to her vagina. Most prostitutes are in breech of this contract after only a couple of years.

If you take the vagina without paying, prostitutes get very upset and feel that value has been taken from their vagina. But if you pay with gifts then it is okay.

The ultimate truth is the experience of the mind without the body, unhampered by illusory biological processes and sensorial perceptions.

Keep it going, keep it going!

You are one sick,sick dude. You really are in desperate need of serious psychiatric help.

Oh noez! someone's idealistic romantic bubble has been threatened!

The ultimate truth is your perspective.

the ultimate truth may not be the thing most wished to be experienced withing perspective. Though would that then become more true, would it then have always been the higher truth. There are always higher patterns to be perceived, deeper truths.. the only way in my opinion to navigate this is to know your highest truth NOW, what is most appealing in the present, what direction your heart is telling you to move now. Perhapsmind without the body is a higher truth, but how relative to your life is it. Are you willing to leave everyone and everything you know and love behind to achieve that. When is achieving such an unrelative truth become no different than suicide of the patterns and memories that allow you to experience the illusion of having a self. So perhaps love is a biologic process, meant to propogate a species, but Goddamn is it a beautiful thing. I surrender to that programming willingly. And if in some place far far away my excitement lies elsewhere I'll either fight for what I want, or my wants will have changed.

perhaps truth is meant to be forgotten, to allow one to enjoy the sensorial pleasures and pains that allow one to feel alive. Perhaps not.

I feel sorry for you. Seriously. I have been with the same woman now, for 25 years, and yes I still feel very romantic with her. Still do romantic things for her, still feel the passion in my heart for her.

I do feel sorry for you, because you have not found this.
Peace be with you and yours.

Sorry.

All it takes is a deck of cards and a God complex.

"I surrender to that programming willingly."

Everyone does it, that's why the world is trapped in the same cycle forevermore. And it's meant to be that way. It's just that at some point along the way, some consciousnesses stop being interested in it. It does lose its appeal once you see through it.

I have never experienced romantic love but I know it exists. I can sense it just as I sense many things I've never been able to prove. My intuition tells me romantic love is not an illusion.

When I look at a beautiful woman it is entrancing. And I do not mean when I just see her physical form. When I look passed her outward appearance and see her entirely. It is an incredible feeling. Of course, it is a mind simulation in this form, but I can feel the greater force beyond my imagination. I can sense that the real thing can be had.

If I were to find a woman who I felt looked at me the same way, while I did her, and it was for real, I'd know that what I was experiencing was true romantic love. It is possible. I know this.

In this life I may never know it, but I do not have to in order to know it is not an illusion.

Last Edited by Sinclair on 03/20/2014 10:00 PM

Everything you experience due to emotions is an illusion, emotions pertain to the body and the body is affected by biological processes which are wholly related to chemicals running through your organism. With the correct knowledge one could induce you into a state of romantic love feeling by manipulating your biochemical make up at a determinate moment. How "real" is that then? Real is not something that can be altered from a moment to the other.

Most people confuse lust with love.
Love means you accept another human being for what they are and don't try to change them into something they are not. Love is understanding everyone is a little different and has their own special needs.
Love is understanding people sometimes drift on different paths, that nothing lasts forever.

There will always be programming, where do you think the desire to become "untrapped" comes from.

My perspective is sort of that the universe is created from thoughts and emotions, that what you put out comes back magnified. Kind of like the placebo effect in medicine. Thought of being healed manifests as actual healing.

There is only one moment, one persent time that we are shifting through based on where we focus.

While neither right or wrong, I would argue that the "trapped" comes from focusing and thus creating thoughts of "being trapped" "something is there to be seen through"
Perhaps we aren't trapped, perhaps we are willfully trapped, perhaps everything is perfect and unfolding as it should. perhaps, I don't know how I could ever know there is something better then right NOW. How would I get there from now by moving in the direction from a mindset of lack. Perhaps things lose appeal, that is growth, it is often easiest to focus on hat you want by first seeing what you don't want. But if you know what you want. Focus on it. Have faith in it and accept no alternatives as long as you want that one thing. But that I would argue is a very individual thing, and not some external truth or game that must be seen through. It is the natural, currently in progress notion of growth. But as they say, don't be in too much of a hurry to grow up, or you'll find that you've missed all the fun along the way (see 13 going on 30). ;)

I do not live my life purely enmeshed in the material. You can try to explain non physical things by physical means alone, but you will never truly understand them from that limited perspective.

My emotions are only partly a result of biological processes. The other side is involved as well. We can only be fully manipulated when we cease to believe in our ability to resist that manipulation.

You're attributing a lot of ideals of your liking into one word. The truth is that people may think what they want about love, it's just a subjective concept which has no basis on reality.

Last Edited by Manu-K on 03/20/2014 10:08 PM

Reality is subjective.

Should say "subjective concept that has no basis on MY reality"

which could then very well be YOUR truth.

Of course everything is as it should be. This place has a function and the function is to experience existence in a physical body with all its inherent limitations. If that wasn't so then this place wouldn't be what it is. People who expect something otherworldly about life on earth are very deluded.

Reality is whatever is devoid of subjective pollution. You can't have "your reality". Reality is reality, despite of your subjective thoughts. That's precisely why it's distinguished with a specific concept all for itself.

Last Edited by Manu-K on 03/20/2014 10:13 PM

Yes, of course the mind is affected by the bodily processes. But then that's what I'd call mind polluted by matter. As long as mind is affected by matter it is affected by the illusion of matter and of the senses. However much you may wish to defend your attachment to the illusion and try to justify in your mind that it's actually real and has a worth beyond whatever your limitations attribute to it, the truth IMO at least is that it doesn't. We humans become attached to things of this realm and try to defend them at all cost. All things pertaining to this realm are illusory, simply because man is just not able to perceive things as they really are. And all that man falls in "love" with are unrealities.

Last Edited by Manu-K on 03/20/2014 10:16 PM

lust is fleeting, Love lasts.

Want to know how I know?

I'm sure you do.