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Oh Hi.

I believe we should shape our children not to discriminate yet we teach it in school based on the history and past at an early age. Not even aware of it. Introducing them to the pain and suffering.

What if we waited to teach them about racism until college?
And we didn't teach pain and suffering at all as a concept, but a real life event that could happen to themselves.

If we are to end racism, we must end teaching the oppression black people had and all meet on a level playing field. The history holds everyone back - why introduce that to young children in school- I am not saying erase... I am supporting appropriate time frames to teach.
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you are full of it.

Black people oppress, kill, murder, and enslave each other FAR MORE
than whites ever have.

you don't value life - black abortion rates are also very high.

Blacks, YOU brought slavery to the United States.

YOU caught and enslaved each other for thousands of years.

Teach real history, not self-serving propaganda.
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Those doing the most oppressing, killing, and imprisoning all have the largest militaries to carry out those heinous acts. Can you name a Black military that has done more killing, oppressing, and imprisoning than the largest European militaries? How about any Blacks that have used a weapon of destruction on a human population? Don't worry, I'll wait....

Blacks may make up a large proportion of those receiving abortions, but who are those passing abortion policies and actually performing these many abortions? Who actually owns abortion clinics and feeds their families by killing unborn children? How much do these white abortion doctors value life? What's worst someone having an abortion out of ignorance and lack of education, or someone who performs
abortions for monetary profit?

Blacks started the Trans-Atlantic slave trade? Ok I'm not even going to give this a response lol.
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That's the only history blacks have in America. They were slaves, which was the only time they have ever been anything but a nuisance. Then they were freed and became a plague on the country. That's all of black American history in two sentences.
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I disagree with you, but you might be programmed with your own experience perhaps your parents or elders you looked to, that is one of my points to solving the problem.
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I do believe the racism starts in the home at an early age because our ancestors are taught that. If your mom and dad are not even introduced to the concept though of racism they may not fall victim.
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It's just natural tribalism. People have to be brainwashed to not be racist.
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Its interesting you say that people have to be brainwashed to not be racists. I am so afraid for people!
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It's the truth, though. Racism is natural, just the same as wolf packs opposing rival wolf packs.
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You feel its natural to hate others because isn't that what racism is?
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Oh Hi.

I believe we should shape our children not to discriminate yet we teach it in school based on the history and past at an early age. Not even aware of it. Introducing them to the pain and suffering.

What if we waited to teach them about racism until college?
And we didn't teach pain and suffering at all as a concept, but a real life event that could happen to themselves.

If we are to end racism, we must end teaching the oppression black people had and all meet on a level playing field. The history holds everyone back - why introduce that to young children in school- I am not saying erase... I am supporting appropriate time frames to teach.
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you are full of it.

Black people oppress, kill, murder, and enslave each other FAR MORE
than whites ever have.

you don't value life - black abortion rates are also very high.

Blacks, YOU brought slavery to the United States.

YOU caught and enslaved each other for thousands of years.

Teach real history, not self-serving propaganda.
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I don;t know if I agree with you. Like the IQ test, subjective to where you live, your experience and upbringing.

Yes teach real history, absolutely however can't we teach the history later when our children's brains are more developed I feel much of the problem is due to introducing kids to early to racism (which is hatred). Let them be in middle school. Let them contemplate all these facts later.

Hatred isn't natural. Blacks have a ton of it too. Not denying that.
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I homeschool my children. I've never once uttered a word to my kids about blacks. BUT...all on their own they are learning. After a trip to the playground one day my 7 year old asked "dad why are black kids so mean?" On another occasion my 8 year old daughter asked why black neighborhoods had so much litter. She also had a little black boy following her around the dollar store just staring at her like children of the corn. She was right by my side but it still freaked her out. She is a little blond. I told the black kid to get out of here you little fucker. He ran away.

Damn blacks.
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That is freaky, what part of the states do you live in? I've had many incidents with mean black children too growing up - two of my most worst memories and experiences were being bullied by two, but - Its all the more reason to try and figure it out isn't it?
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Probably because they should learn about their history?
" Almost all Southerners are part Indian, that is a fact, I do not know any one that isn't. So we call ourselves White, what's it to you what we call ourselves? I think all Whites that came here after the War Between the States should go back and reclaim their homelands from the invaders. Looks good to me."
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the suggestion that Black kids shouldn't be taught about racism until their in college is very telling and revealing of how white people are extremely naive to the experience non-white's have living in America.

believe it or not, Black parents in the hood are so destroyed that they would much rather believe slavery never happened, they completely distance themselves from Africa and anything related to Africa, they hate the very skin they wear because it reminds them that they're African. Black women wear expensive blonde weaves and blue contact lenses in effort to bury their identity and they certainly don't take time to explain slavery or racism if their Black children.

don't let race hustlers like Jesse and Sharpton fool you into thinking the Black community is filled with whitey hating Black's, Black people are so destroyed that they love White people more than themselves.
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growing up as a white minority, black history month was rife with racial tension, always targeted at me. This was 100% due to the inflamatory 'history' being taught, and half the time was loaded with half truths and inaccuarcies.

It's 100% intentional aswell. the instructors were aware of the problem it was causing but since there were only likr 4 whites in the school no one cared if we were subject to bullshit from reparation seeking knuckle draggers who didn't even know where africa was one day prior and now thing they're some kind of black history month profressor.

the teachers would make wild claims, like, blacks invented the comb. or invented ice cream, or the telephone.

the telephone was a half truth but completly inaccurate and misleading.

the idea was, blacks invented everyhing, whites only ever invented slavery.

it was just bullshit to stir racial tensions and set into course the prejudice expressed by almost all inner city blacks toward whites.

indoctrination is all it is. what more can be expected of public schools. especially those of the inner cities.
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the suggestion that Black kids shouldn't be taught about racism until their in college is very telling and revealing of how white people are extremely naive to the experience non-white's have living in America.

believe it or not, Black parents in the hood are so destroyed that they would much rather believe slavery never happened, they completely distance themselves from Africa and anything related to Africa, they hate the very skin they wear because it reminds them that they're African. Black women wear expensive blonde weaves and blue contact lenses in effort to bury their identity and they certainly don't take time to explain slavery or racism if their Black children.

don't let race hustlers like Jesse and Sharpton fool you into thinking the Black community is filled with whitey hating Black's, Black people are so destroyed that they love White people more than themselves.
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you're wrong i've experienced it first hand and still live here, fuck em.

they hate me, i'll give them and their widow a reason to.
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No, you have to start indoctrinating children at a young age so by the time they're 16, they believe they're evil white racist nazisthatwanttokillsixmillionjews, and start dating blacks and Mexicans. The longer you wait, the more difficult it is to program them to self hatred.
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Can you explain a bit please? You are being sarcastic, right? it's programming early that harms these children who grow up in a sad hateful gloomy place. Wait. I am white and dated mexican, vietmanese and blacks growing up (lived in a diverse area I guess). I was not aware of the hatred then I just did what I felt.
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So much ignorance and stupidity in one thread. One of the many reasons why I avoid these forums.
" Almost all Southerners are part Indian, that is a fact, I do not know any one that isn't. So we call ourselves White, what's it to you what we call ourselves? I think all Whites that came here after the War Between the States should go back and reclaim their homelands from the invaders. Looks good to me."
-Logic of a White Supremacist
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How about teaching all children true world and american history, including ancient civilizations, the history and global impact of Moors, and the intermixture of blood lineages?

Perhaps they are not yet ready to admit some of the biggest of lies ever told, but the truth is coming out ofr those motivated to look a few clicks beyond the norm.

Thread: For those confused by black/white racial programming and false history,

Peace.
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Really appreciate you posting this.. Very interesting. Hope everyone reads it.
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That's the only history blacks have in America. They were slaves, which was the only time they have ever been anything but a nuisance. Then they were freed and became a plague on the country. That's all of black American history in two sentences.
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This is not true. What you call 'blacks' defines no one. You are roping in people from all over the world who appear a certain shade of melanin all together as on people. These people have existed all over the world for thousands of years, and not all are from one of 54 african nations, nor were anywhere near a majority even blood line to former slaves. There were melanated peoples here long before columbus, as there were others too.

Either you know this and are just race-baited and repeating the programmed false history, or you don't in which case this info may be a benifit to you if you are open minded enough to learn something true.

Most of us here realize the government lies to us to maintain control, perhaps that is their main function, so why would the content of the taught history be any different? The american slave narrative is fictional in the manner it is taught in schools.

Thread: For those confused by black/white racial programming and false history,

peace
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Agree with you and appreciate - especially this: The american slave narrative is fictional in the manner it is taught in schools.
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We can't have honest conversations about anything controversial in this country, everything must have a politically correct filter.
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Actually we are and its very refreshing because its all for good - its fine to have a perspective say because we all need one to grow more.
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I would like to hear from Black Americans if possible. How do you feel about the history being taught? If you are the only black kid say in 2nd grade in a predominantly white school and your teacher is teaching Rosa Parks, the civil rights movement,Dr. King-- all of these worthy and valuable historical important teachings no doubt. Does that help you as an equal Being or hinder and hold you back? I am sure you don;t wish to feel pity or less than or even special. Its awkward right? We are all on a level field. I feel we should ditch the importance.

What must we do to heal this situation? Ideas anyone?
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I would first like to start by saying that I was never taught to be racist towards whites. I learned racism from experience, as do most Blacks. As a child I noticed how my father was mistreated and disrespected by white police officers during a traffic stop. They removed my father, myself and brother from the vehicle at gunpoint. They spoke very disrespectfully to my father and even told me and my brother that we were going to be taken away from our parents and placed in a foster home. My father was eventually issued a citation and released. I noticed what seemed to be an attempt by many of my white or caucasion teachers to single out and punish black students unfairly. When I was in the 3rd grade a white female teacher of mine accused me of throwing dried macaroni shells, which were being used for an art assignment, at her. She then took steps to try to have me, a 9 year old child, expelled from school. I could not understand why a grown adult woman would treat a child that way. Reflecting back on events like the we I can now see the great effects they had on my view of people of other races, most notably white.


I agree with you on the point that children should be taught the more harsher aspects of this country's history at an age where they have reached a certain level of mental and emotional maturity. More importantly, Black children need to be educated more about their true history and identity and not just fed stories about slavery and civil rights. But they absolutely MUST learn about our history in this country at some point. Those who do not know history are doomed to repeat it.


In closing I'll say this, if you think that Blacks have to learn about racism in school or from parents, you honestly have no concept of what life for a person of color is like. You have no idea of what it feels like to have to live in a system that was meant to keep you at the bottom of all societal hierarchies. And if you believe that removing black history from academics will do anything to improve race relations you are sadly mistaken. There will never be improvement until Blacks can sit at the table with the leaders of all other nations and peoples as equals. But from the views and opinions of the whites on this forum and others, I find that to be close to impossible. Whites are too threatened by Blacks because of what they did in the past. And honestly, whites probably have a valid reason for feeling that way. The relationship between black and white is severely tainted. I say that because if roles are reversed and Black nations were to rule the world, I am sad to admit that many of the former oppressed will show no remorse and will have a lust for vengeance.

Peace.
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You seem to have a balance in your views and its most appreciated. Because to heal this we all need to figure it out objectively and neutrally and from the heart. I also feel your pain with regard to the teacher singling you out it's very close to my heart and I would enjoy banishing cold ignorant teachers(that's another topic!)

Would you mind explaining what you mean by if the roles were reversed? DO you feel blacks would have no mercy if they are the majority and why is that?
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Oh Hi.

I believe we should shape our children not to discriminate yet we teach it in school based on the history and past at an early age. Not even aware of it. Introducing them to the pain and suffering.

What if we waited to teach them about racism until college?
And we didn't teach pain and suffering at all as a concept, but a real life event that could happen to themselves.

If we are to end racism, we must end teaching the oppression black people had and all meet on a level playing field. The history holds everyone back - why introduce that to young children in school- I am not saying erase... I am supporting appropriate time frames to teach.
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you are full of it.

Black people oppress, kill, murder, and enslave each other FAR MORE
than whites ever have.

you don't value life - black abortion rates are also very high.

Blacks, YOU brought slavery to the United States.

YOU caught and enslaved each other for thousands of years.

Teach real history, not self-serving propaganda.
 Quoting: beeches


Those doing the most oppressing, killing, and imprisoning all have the largest militaries to carry out those heinous acts. Can you name a Black military that has done more killing, oppressing, and imprisoning than the largest European militaries? How about any Blacks that have used a weapon of destruction on a human population? Don't worry, I'll wait....

Blacks may make up a large proportion of those receiving abortions, but who are those passing abortion policies and actually performing these many abortions? Who actually owns abortion clinics and feeds their families by killing unborn children? How much do these white abortion doctors value life? What's worst someone having an abortion out of ignorance and lack of education, or someone who performs
abortions for monetary profit?

Blacks started the Trans-Atlantic slave trade? Ok I'm not even going to give this a response lol.
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Beautiful. I knew someone more educated would rock up. Its messy but we should all together be able to clean it up as One.
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Probably because they should learn about their history?
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Of course they should learn about their history, but its not their history only, its tainted and that is not the only thing we should learn, how about the movie 12 years a Slave, who growing up in America ever knew there were free black people in certain states, the education system doesn't cover that at all (or at least in my teachings).
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the suggestion that Black kids shouldn't be taught about racism until their in college is very telling and revealing of how white people are extremely naive to the experience non-white's have living in America.

believe it or not, Black parents in the hood are so destroyed that they would much rather believe slavery never happened, they completely distance themselves from Africa and anything related to Africa, they hate the very skin they wear because it reminds them that they're African. Black women wear expensive blonde weaves and blue contact lenses in effort to bury their identity and they certainly don't take time to explain slavery or racism if their Black children.

don't let race hustlers like Jesse and Sharpton fool you into thinking the Black community is filled with whitey hating Black's, Black people are so destroyed that they love White people more than themselves.
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I was suggesting no one child should be taught until later on when children can process properly as I believed it might not create the divide between races. You are speaking of identity issues which I do see as well in blacks and whites. Cosmetic surgery, perfect little noses, white teeth. Blue eyes, blond hair etc. , which is also a programmed state.

No one values REAL anymore it seems. Its the system we should look to.
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growing up as a white minority, black history month was rife with racial tension, always targeted at me. This was 100% due to the inflamatory 'history' being taught, and half the time was loaded with half truths and inaccuarcies.

It's 100% intentional aswell. the instructors were aware of the problem it was causing but since there were only likr 4 whites in the school no one cared if we were subject to bullshit from reparation seeking knuckle draggers who didn't even know where africa was one day prior and now thing they're some kind of black history month profressor.

the teachers would make wild claims, like, blacks invented the comb. or invented ice cream, or the telephone.

the telephone was a half truth but completly inaccurate and misleading.

the idea was, blacks invented everyhing, whites only ever invented slavery.

it was just bullshit to stir racial tensions and set into course the prejudice expressed by almost all inner city blacks toward whites.

indoctrination is all it is. what more can be expected of public schools. especially those of the inner cities.
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Well - we can expect some love and attention and care in our schools. Maybe we get there eventually. How do you feel would be best, you have such a unique experience.
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I homeschool my children. I've never once uttered a word to my kids about blacks. BUT...all on their own they are learning. After a trip to the playground one day my 7 year old asked "dad why are black kids so mean?" On another occasion my 8 year old daughter asked why black neighborhoods had so much litter. She also had a little black boy following her around the dollar store just staring at her like children of the corn. She was right by my side but it still freaked her out. She is a little blond. I told the black kid to get out of here you little fucker. He ran away.

Damn blacks.
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that's just it isnt it,and why racism will never go away, the govt/media acts like racism is taught but in truth its a response to environment, a reaction to what we see in our daily lives, i have had so many bad experiences with blacks in my life i cant count them, that's what creates racism, the truth of our daily lives. the truth is racist.
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Their parents teach them more than enough to corrupt them. Blacky will always hate whitey because of it.
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I would like to hear from Black Americans if possible. How do you feel about the history being taught? If you are the only black kid say in 2nd grade in a predominantly white school and your teacher is teaching Rosa Parks, the civil rights movement,Dr. King-- all of these worthy and valuable historical important teachings no doubt. Does that help you as an equal Being or hinder and hold you back? I am sure you don;t wish to feel pity or less than or even special. Its awkward right? We are all on a level field. I feel we should ditch the importance.

What must we do to heal this situation? Ideas anyone?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 55539552


I would first like to start by saying that I was never taught to be racist towards whites. I learned racism from experience, as do most Blacks. As a child I noticed how my father was mistreated and disrespected by white police officers during a traffic stop. They removed my father, myself and brother from the vehicle at gunpoint. They spoke very disrespectfully to my father and even told me and my brother that we were going to be taken away from our parents and placed in a foster home. My father was eventually issued a citation and released. I noticed what seemed to be an attempt by many of my white or caucasion teachers to single out and punish black students unfairly. When I was in the 3rd grade a white female teacher of mine accused me of throwing dried macaroni shells, which were being used for an art assignment, at her. She then took steps to try to have me, a 9 year old child, expelled from school. I could not understand why a grown adult woman would treat a child that way. Reflecting back on events like the we I can now see the great effects they had on my view of people of other races, most notably white.


I agree with you on the point that children should be taught the more harsher aspects of this country's history at an age where they have reached a certain level of mental and emotional maturity. More importantly, Black children need to be educated more about their true history and identity and not just fed stories about slavery and civil rights. But they absolutely MUST learn about our history in this country at some point. Those who do not know history are doomed to repeat it.


In closing I'll say this, if you think that Blacks have to learn about racism in school or from parents, you honestly have no concept of what life for a person of color is like. You have no idea of what it feels like to have to live in a system that was meant to keep you at the bottom of all societal hierarchies. And if you believe that removing black history from academics will do anything to improve race relations you are sadly mistaken. There will never be improvement until Blacks can sit at the table with the leaders of all other nations and peoples as equals. But from the views and opinions of the whites on this forum and others, I find that to be close to impossible. Whites are too threatened by Blacks because of what they did in the past. And honestly, whites probably have a valid reason for feeling that way. The relationship between black and white is severely tainted. I say that because if roles are reversed and Black nations were to rule the world, I am sad to admit that many of the former oppressed will show no remorse and will have a lust for vengeance.

Peace.
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I suggest you move to Africa for about 3 years.
You will have a whole different viewpoint then.
Over there they discriminate because of your tribe and/or because of where you came from, even based upon how much you make. They do this to each other as well as to the "white's". So all your 'we can be equal', does not exist in Black society among other blacks anywhere in the world, so why blame it one white people? Fix it among yourselves, then maybe you can look to "fixing" it in white people.
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I would like to hear from Black Americans if possible. How do you feel about the history being taught? If you are the only black kid say in 2nd grade in a predominantly white school and your teacher is teaching Rosa Parks, the civil rights movement,Dr. King-- all of these worthy and valuable historical important teachings no doubt. Does that help you as an equal Being or hinder and hold you back? I am sure you don;t wish to feel pity or less than or even special. Its awkward right? We are all on a level field. I feel we should ditch the importance.

What must we do to heal this situation? Ideas anyone?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 55539552


I would first like to start by saying that I was never taught to be racist towards whites. I learned racism from experience, as do most Blacks. As a child I noticed how my father was mistreated and disrespected by white police officers during a traffic stop. They removed my father, myself and brother from the vehicle at gunpoint. They spoke very disrespectfully to my father and even told me and my brother that we were going to be taken away from our parents and placed in a foster home. My father was eventually issued a citation and released. I noticed what seemed to be an attempt by many of my white or caucasion teachers to single out and punish black students unfairly. When I was in the 3rd grade a white female teacher of mine accused me of throwing dried macaroni shells, which were being used for an art assignment, at her. She then took steps to try to have me, a 9 year old child, expelled from school. I could not understand why a grown adult woman would treat a child that way. Reflecting back on events like the we I can now see the great effects they had on my view of people of other races, most notably white.


I agree with you on the point that children should be taught the more harsher aspects of this country's history at an age where they have reached a certain level of mental and emotional maturity. More importantly, Black children need to be educated more about their true history and identity and not just fed stories about slavery and civil rights. But they absolutely MUST learn about our history in this country at some point. Those who do not know history are doomed to repeat it.


In closing I'll say this, if you think that Blacks have to learn about racism in school or from parents, you honestly have no concept of what life for a person of color is like. You have no idea of what it feels like to have to live in a system that was meant to keep you at the bottom of all societal hierarchies. And if you believe that removing black history from academics will do anything to improve race relations you are sadly mistaken. There will never be improvement until Blacks can sit at the table with the leaders of all other nations and peoples as equals. But from the views and opinions of the whites on this forum and others, I find that to be close to impossible. Whites are too threatened by Blacks because of what they did in the past. And honestly, whites probably have a valid reason for feeling that way. The relationship between black and white is severely tainted. I say that because if roles are reversed and Black nations were to rule the world, I am sad to admit that many of the former oppressed will show no remorse and will have a lust for vengeance.

Peace.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27497172


You seem to have a balance in your views and its most appreciated. Because to heal this we all need to figure it out objectively and neutrally and from the heart. I also feel your pain with regard to the teacher singling you out it's very close to my heart and I would enjoy banishing cold ignorant teachers(that's another topic!)

Would you mind explaining what you mean by if the roles were reversed? DO you feel blacks would have no mercy if they are the majority and why is that?
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Yes, I believe that all indigenous people that have been oppressed and victims of white imperialism and colonialism (Native Americans, Blacks, Asians, Arabs etc) would show no mercy to their former conquerors if given the opportunity.

And it won't be because all people of color are bloodthirsty towards whites. Remember, most whites were not slave owners. Many whites did not agree with slavery. But the majority allowed the system of slavery to exist and even participated in establishing that very system. Racial and social hegemony trumped their love for humanity. Europeans broke every peace treaty that was established w/ the Native Americans. The African tribe leaders that ignorantly sold their POW's to European's were later kidnapped and sold into slavery themselves.

People of color have been traumatized by the atrocities committed against them and their ancestors and now have a genuine mistrust for "the white man". For this reason I believe that if people of color, specifically Blacks, were to gain supremacy over whites a small percentage would be out for vengeance. A small percentage will be extremist, as were European slave traders, and will do all that is possible to keep whites from ever regaining a position of supremacy over them. Most will not want to oppress whites as they once were oppressed. But racial hegemony will reign supreme, and the majority will allow the minority to establish a system of oppression. Racial hegemony and fear/mistrust of "the white man" will outweigh their humanity.
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Oh Hi.

I believe we should shape our children not to discriminate yet we teach it in school based on the history and past at an early age. Not even aware of it. Introducing them to the pain and suffering.

What if we waited to teach them about racism until college?
And we didn't teach pain and suffering at all as a concept, but a real life event that could happen to themselves.

If we are to end racism, we must end teaching the oppression black people had and all meet on a level playing field. The history holds everyone back - why introduce that to young children in school- I am not saying erase... I am supporting appropriate time frames to teach.
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WHITE PEOPLE HAD IT EXACTLY THE FUCKING SAME, ITS ONLY THE BLACKS THAT GET TALKED ABOUT BECAUSE THE WHITES WERE FREED TO STOP A FUCKING SLAVE REBELLION
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Is it racist to wish that black people had never been brought to America to begin with?
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Probably because they should learn about their history?
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Of course they should learn about their history, but its not their history only, its tainted and that is not the only thing we should learn, how about the movie 12 years a Slave, who growing up in America ever knew there were free black people in certain states, the education system doesn't cover that at all (or at least in my teachings).
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Bro, I knew there were free black people during slave times in like high school. I can't believe people actually advocate not telling blacks about their history. Whether it's tainted or not, doesn't make a difference; the stuff that's taught in schools is whitewashed as it is.
" Almost all Southerners are part Indian, that is a fact, I do not know any one that isn't. So we call ourselves White, what's it to you what we call ourselves? I think all Whites that came here after the War Between the States should go back and reclaim their homelands from the invaders. Looks good to me."
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Probably because they should learn about their history?
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Yes of course they should. there is no denying that. but lets not make it their be and end all moment. Ya know?
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I went to a all black school pretty much , From 4 year old kindergarten - 6th grade ( half the year ) and they pretty much obsessed over this crap, Even taught 'Ebonics' And they wonder why they fail.
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I homeschool my children. I've never once uttered a word to my kids about blacks. BUT...all on their own they are learning. After a trip to the playground one day my 7 year old asked "dad why are black kids so mean?" On another occasion my 8 year old daughter asked why black neighborhoods had so much litter. She also had a little black boy following her around the dollar store just staring at her like children of the corn. She was right by my side but it still freaked her out. She is a little blond. I told the black kid to get out of here you little fucker. He ran away.

Damn blacks.
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that's just it isnt it,and why racism will never go away, the govt/media acts like racism is taught but in truth its a response to environment, a reaction to what we see in our daily lives, i have had so many bad experiences with blacks in my life i cant count them, that's what creates racism, the truth of our daily lives. the truth is racist.
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Racism seems subjective to your experience. All the more reason to try something new without a special nod, I was suggesting maybe we all just lean as children and never make color and even culture important. But foster better programming within the system.
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I would like to hear from Black Americans if possible. How do you feel about the history being taught? If you are the only black kid say in 2nd grade in a predominantly white school and your teacher is teaching Rosa Parks, the civil rights movement,Dr. King-- all of these worthy and valuable historical important teachings no doubt. Does that help you as an equal Being or hinder and hold you back? I am sure you don;t wish to feel pity or less than or even special. Its awkward right? We are all on a level field. I feel we should ditch the importance.

What must we do to heal this situation? Ideas anyone?
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I would first like to start by saying that I was never taught to be racist towards whites. I learned racism from experience, as do most Blacks. As a child I noticed how my father was mistreated and disrespected by white police officers during a traffic stop. They removed my father, myself and brother from the vehicle at gunpoint. They spoke very disrespectfully to my father and even told me and my brother that we were going to be taken away from our parents and placed in a foster home. My father was eventually issued a citation and released. I noticed what seemed to be an attempt by many of my white or caucasion teachers to single out and punish black students unfairly. When I was in the 3rd grade a white female teacher of mine accused me of throwing dried macaroni shells, which were being used for an art assignment, at her. She then took steps to try to have me, a 9 year old child, expelled from school. I could not understand why a grown adult woman would treat a child that way. Reflecting back on events like the we I can now see the great effects they had on my view of people of other races, most notably white.


I agree with you on the point that children should be taught the more harsher aspects of this country's history at an age where they have reached a certain level of mental and emotional maturity. More importantly, Black children need to be educated more about their true history and identity and not just fed stories about slavery and civil rights. But they absolutely MUST learn about our history in this country at some point. Those who do not know history are doomed to repeat it.


In closing I'll say this, if you think that Blacks have to learn about racism in school or from parents, you honestly have no concept of what life for a person of color is like. You have no idea of what it feels like to have to live in a system that was meant to keep you at the bottom of all societal hierarchies. And if you believe that removing black history from academics will do anything to improve race relations you are sadly mistaken. There will never be improvement until Blacks can sit at the table with the leaders of all other nations and peoples as equals. But from the views and opinions of the whites on this forum and others, I find that to be close to impossible. Whites are too threatened by Blacks because of what they did in the past. And honestly, whites probably have a valid reason for feeling that way. The relationship between black and white is severely tainted. I say that because if roles are reversed and Black nations were to rule the world, I am sad to admit that many of the former oppressed will show no remorse and will have a lust for vengeance.

Peace.
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I suggest you move to Africa for about 3 years.
You will have a whole different viewpoint then.
Over there they discriminate because of your tribe and/or because of where you came from, even based upon how much you make. They do this to each other as well as to the "white's". So all your 'we can be equal', does not exist in Black society among other blacks anywhere in the world, so why blame it one white people? Fix it among yourselves, then maybe you can look to "fixing" it in white people.
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Well. I know people who do and was shocked at the AIDS epidemic and lack of simple human decency from that community it sounds horrible, the divide is way worse than here. We are discussing America though and how to help blacks here. Is there a link do you feel?





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