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How long is The Church Age? When is the end?

 
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How long is The Church Age? When is the end?
How long is The Church Age?

We have to look at types and shadows in the Bible.
Num 35:5 And ye shall measure from without the city on the east side two thousand
cubits, and on the south side two thousand cubits, and on the west side two thousand
cubits, and on the north side two thousand cubits; and the city shall be in the midst:
this shall be to them the suburbs of the cities.
The Levites were only allowed to walk 2000 cubits on the Sabbath. This defines the legal
Sabbath Day’s journey.


Jos 3:4 Yet there shall be a space between you and it, about two thousand cubits by
measure: come not near unto it, that ye may know the way by which ye must go: for
ye have not passed this way heretofore.
God commanded that the people remain 2000 cubits behind Joshua, the Levites, and the
Ark. The Promised Land is a type of Heaven. Joshua is a type of Christ. Therefore,
after Joshua crosses the Jordan River, the people remained 2000 cubits behind, a type of
years and define the dispensation of grace. 2000 cubits is a Sabbath Day’s journey and
that’s the distance the people had to cover to cross over.
Act 1:12 Then returned they unto Jerusalem from the mount called Olivet, which is
from Jerusalem a sabbath day's journey.
The Apostles, by walking to Jerusalem, a Sabbath Day’s journey, after Jesus’ ascension,
made the transition into a new role as priesthood.
1Pe 2:9 But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a
peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out
of darkness into his marvellous light:
We are the church, following 2000 years behind Jesus. We must count 2000 cubits from
the Crucifixion (33 AD), where formerly we counted from the birth of Christ. Counting
from the Crucifixion, we count in “Times,” which is the scriptural interpretation.
2000 Times = 720,000 days = 1972.60 years
1972.60 years from the Crucifixion puts us at 2005.60, seven months into 2006.
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The Bible codes seem to support that time frame or close!
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I enjoyed watching the videos of Pastor Lizzaraga. One question I have, however, which I posed to him (waiting for a response) and which I pose to the visitors here: Pastor Lizzaraga always uses 365 days in his solar year calculations. This, of course converts 720,000 days (2000 biblical years) into 1972.6 solar years. Using 33 AD as the year of Christ's crucifixion, as he does, that would place the end of the Church Age at 2006.6 AD . The correct solar year, however, is 365.25 days and, using the same calculation, we come to 2004. Is there a biblical reason why Pastor L. would be calculating with just a straight 365 days, or is this an error on his part? Also, assuming 2006.6 is correct, do we start counting the start of this year using Tishri 1 (Oct.4 2005) which would bring us seven months forward to May 2006? If so, then the Church Age should have ended last month. Can anyone here address these discrepancies? Thanks in advance for any input you can offer.
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the church age ended in august of 1998 which is when the end time period began. We are now in the final phase where genuine Apostles of Jesus will begin speaking out announcing the return of Jesus and the plan of evacuation of the faithful.

I am one of those apostles and am beginning to speak up on behalf of Jesus to clarify about His plan and His return which will be very soon now.

You will not find the Apostolic clarity in Church now, that phase has now been superceeded.

What is needed now is great clarity about the practical details of the rapture and how to make practical preparations . . . the entire situation is now being lifted up into a greater intensity and clarity. It is the end time Apostolic age.

aloha and mahalo
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Jesus returns on 7/7/07.
I am one of the Prophets announcing his return
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this is how the mission of Jesus is accomplished here in this world

Jesus phase . . . direct transmission of Truth

Apostolic phase . . . indirect transmission of Truth

Church phase . . . consideration of Truth and indirect Truth

End Time Apostolic phase . . . indirect transmission of Truth

Jesus returns . . . direct transmission of Truth

we are now in the End Time Apostolic phase where the indirect transmission of Truth is used to gently wake poeple up and prepare them for the direct transmission of Truth from Jesus which will occur very soon. It is the dawn before the full light of day.


re: 7/7/07 . . . more info needed on this yani
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The church age ends when the bride of Christ (church) is taken away.
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I enjoyed watching the videos of Pastor Lizzaraga. One question I have, however, which I posed to him (waiting for a response) and which I pose to the visitors here: Pastor Lizzaraga always uses 365 days in his solar year calculations. This, of course converts 720,000 days (2000 biblical years) into 1972.6 solar years. Using 33 AD as the year of Christ's crucifixion, as he does, that would place the end of the Church Age at 2006.6 AD . The correct solar year, however, is 365.25 days and, using the same calculation, we come to 2004. Is there a biblical reason why Pastor L. would be calculating with just a straight 365 days, or is this an error on his part? Also, assuming 2006.6 is correct, do we start counting the start of this year using Tishri 1 (Oct.4 2005) which would bring us seven months forward to May 2006? If so, then the Church Age should have ended last month. Can anyone here address these discrepancies? Thanks in advance for any input you can offer.
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You ask some very good questions. Although, when I did the calculations using 365.25, I got 2006.95 not 2004 (after all, if 365.25 is a longer period of time than 365, then the date using 365.25 should fall later not earlier than 2006.6). I will admit, my math is quite rusty, so I would appreciate it if someone would verify whether or not my numbers are correct.

We also need to take into account the month that Jesus was crucified, correct? He was crucified during passover, which would have fallen around the beginning of May in 33 A.D.

There is also much scholarly squabbling over exactly what year Jesus was crucified in. The "guesstimates" range from 26-34 A.D. With the most likely days being Wednesday, April 28th, 28 A.D. and Wednesday, April 25th, 31 A.D. (That would have Jesus dying Wed. evening, remaining in the tomb for 3 days: Thurs. Fri. & Sat., and rising from the dead on Sunday).
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The church age ends when the bride of Christ (church) is taken away.
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The church is not the bride of Christ. Read Rev: 21 very carefully. The holy city, new Jerusalem is refered to as the bride of Christ, not the church.

And, the church WILL be going through the time of great tribulation. No one is going to be whisked away in a secret rapture.

Tribulation is appointed to the church. Tribulation is FOR the church. It is the refining fire that the church must go through. God's wrath is appointed to the world, but NOT to the church. So, the church will suffer tribulation/Satan's wrath, but the church will NOT suffer God's wrath, the world will.

Don't confuse tribulation with wrath, and don't confuse God's wrath with Satan's wrath. And, don't think the church will not suffer. Should we be better than our Master who suffered so grieviously? Aren't we told to pick up our cross and follow in Christ's footsteps?
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When will they build the LAST baptist church/
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The church is not the bride of Christ. Read Rev: 21 very carefully. The holy city, new Jerusalem is refered to as the bride of Christ, not the church.


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I don't agree with this.

I agree that the Church may go through tribulation, but not that the Bride is 'New Jerusalem'.

Check out all these references to 'The Bride" and "The Bridegroom" in Jesus' parables.

Matthew 25:5
The bridegroom was a long time in coming, and they all became drowsy and fell asleep.
Matthew 25:4-6 (in Context) Matthew 25 (Whole Chapter)
Matthew 25:6
"At midnight the cry rang out: 'Here's the bridegroom! Come out to meet him!'
Matthew 25:5-7 (in Context) Matthew 25 (Whole Chapter)
Matthew 25:10
"But while they were on their way to buy the oil, the bridegroom arrived. The virgins who were ready went in with him to the wedding banquet. And the door was shut.
Matthew 25:9-11 (in Context) Matthew 25 (Whole Chapter)
Mark 2:19
Jesus answered, "How can the guests of the bridegroom fast while he is with them? They cannot, so long as they have him with them.
Mark 2:18-20 (in Context) Mark 2 (Whole Chapter)
Mark 2:20
But the time will come when the bridegroom will be taken from them, and on that day they will fast.
Mark 2:19-21 (in Context) Mark 2 (Whole Chapter)
Luke 5:34
Jesus answered, "Can you make the guests of the bridegroom fast while he is with them?
Luke 5:33-35 (in Context) Luke 5 (Whole Chapter)
Luke 5:35
But the time will come when the bridegroom will be taken from them; in those days they will fast."
Luke 5:34-36 (in Context) Luke 5 (Whole Chapter)
John 2:9
They did so, and the master of the banquet tasted the water that had been turned into wine. He did not realize where it had come from, though the servants who had drawn the water knew. Then he called the bridegroom aside
John 2:8-10 (in Context) John 2 (Whole Chapter)
John 3:29
The bride belongs to the bridegroom. The friend who attends the bridegroom waits and listens for him, and is full of joy when he hears the bridegroom's voice. That joy is mine, and it is now complete.
John 3:28-30 (in Context)
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Kay, the virgins are guests/attendants, they are not the bride.
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"I am one of those apostles and am beginning to speak up on behalf of Jesus to clarify about His plan and His return which will be very soon now."
You are as much an apostle as Paul, which is to say, not at all.
The reason crap like this never pans out is because "Christ" and His Father told you clearly, "Christ" is to be your teacher, and "Christ" alone.Not "Christ and Paul", not "Christ and Jerry Falwell",not "Christ and Pastor Lizzaraga"---"Christ" and Him only shall you hear.
One need not verify the many lies Paul told to know he was not an apostle.A simple reading of the Gospel makes that clear--he wasn't even there.But even that is not needed to make the determination.
Ask any swine eating, sabbath defiling, sunday keeping "Christian" to describe Paul.They will tell you he is the great teacher of the "Christian" faith.
The great teacher of the "Christian" faith, obviously, is "Christ", not Paul the lying murderer of saints.
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The church age ends when the bride of Christ (church) is taken away.


The church is not the bride of Christ. Read Rev: 21 very carefully. The holy city, new Jerusalem is refered to as the bride of Christ, not the church.

And, the church WILL be going through the time of great tribulation. No one is going to be whisked away in a secret rapture.

Tribulation is appointed to the church. Tribulation is FOR the church. It is the refining fire that the church must go through. God's wrath is appointed to the world, but NOT to the church. So, the church will suffer tribulation/Satan's wrath, but the church will NOT suffer God's wrath, the world will.

Don't confuse tribulation with wrath, and don't confuse God's wrath with Satan's wrath. And, don't think the church will not suffer. Should we be better than our Master who suffered so grieviously? Aren't we told to pick up our cross and follow in Christ's footsteps?
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Thats all a matter of how one interprets scripture. I believe in pre-tribulation rapture. But that is not where my faith is, my faith is in Christ, so it really doesn't matter as it is not important to me. God has done everything so far for me and I am confident He will bring me home when it is my time.
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TELL THE TRUTH! <--- an exclamation of confirmation.

what you said below blessed me greatly! Thank you.



The church age ends when the bride of Christ (church) is taken away.


The church is not the bride of Christ. Read Rev: 21 very carefully. The holy city, new Jerusalem is refered to as the bride of Christ, not the church.

And, the church WILL be going through the time of great tribulation. No one is going to be whisked away in a secret rapture.

Tribulation is appointed to the church. Tribulation is FOR the church. It is the refining fire that the church must go through. God's wrath is appointed to the world, but NOT to the church. So, the church will suffer tribulation/Satan's wrath, but the church will NOT suffer God's wrath, the world will.

Don't confuse tribulation with wrath, and don't confuse God's wrath with Satan's wrath. And, don't think the church will not suffer. Should we be better than our Master who suffered so grieviously? Aren't we told to pick up our cross and follow in Christ's footsteps?
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correct


Kay, the virgins are guests/attendants, they are not the bride.
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In this passage, I interpret this as meaning that the church is the bride of Christ.

Ephesians 5

31"For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh."

32This is a profound mystery—but I am talking about Christ and the church.
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It is mind-boggling to think that our generation alone is uniquely standing on the precipice of time and where no generation has ever stood. We are living in the days spoken of by the ancient prophets.

These prophets spoke of the Israelites being gathered back into their own land, in passages such as Ezekiel 37:21, “This is what the Sovereign LORD says: I will take the Israelites out of the nations where they have gone. I will gather them from all around and bring them back into their own land.” This began in 1948. The “dry bones” of Ezekiel 37 have come alive.

As also prophesied, we are seeing almost the whole the world turn against Israel. “On that day, when all the nations of the earth are gathered against her, I will make Jerusalem an immovable rock for all the nations” (Zechariah 12:3). The catalyst for this is oil, or petro-dollars, causing the world to sell out tiny, democratic Israel to despotic Muslim nations for purposes of greed.

For these and many other reasons, is it any wonder that millions believe the return of Christ is so near? Polls show that even non-believers think the world is at such a point. This is the most exciting time in all history to be alive!

But when is He coming?

I do not know when He is coming, and in the past 10 or more years I have seen numerous speculations, probably dozens, some actually brilliant, trying to pinpoint the time. Some were based on Scripture, some on claimed supernatural revelation, and some on Bible codes. Many seemed persuasive. But so far, all such speculations have failed.

But wait! That does not necessarily mean no one will ever know. Keep reading....

Just the question -- when? -- causes some Christians to cringe, protest, or even scoff! They quickly point out that Jesus said, "But of that day and hour knoweth no man" (Matthew 24:36 KJV).

Some believers criticize other believers who are seeking God’s clues, either from the Scriptures or by personal revelation. It is interesting that it was apparently by personal revelation, not Scripture, that many people knew the exact day of Elijah's rapture (2 Kings 2)! Are there types in the Old Testament? Do God’s principles repeat themselves?

The doubters may mention Paul's words that the day of the Lord will come like "a thief in the night" (1 Thessalonians 5:2). But many believers have so misunderstood these verses that they are oblivious to the times, not watching for the Lord as He commanded, and are often absorbed by the cares of this world and their own agendas.

As to Matthew 24:36, some scholars point out that Jesus' words here are in the present tense, addressed to His hearers at the time, and not to those alive at the end of the age when Daniel's vision would be unsealed (Daniel 12:9). This would be similar to Matthew 16:20: "Then he warned His disciples not to tell anyone that He was the Christ." As evidence, many other Scriptures reveal to us that God will reveal at least the approximately time. (Even if the "day and hour" restriction is literally valid today, it may be because the Earth is in 24 time zones and always in two different days.)

Jesus also said, “but my Father only” knows, which pins the statement to His hearers at the time, when Jesus was still on the earth, because surely there are now no secrets in the Trinity between the Father and the glorified Son, who are truly One after being separated only once in all eternity for the purpose of the atonement. Also, in context, He seems to be speaking of heaven and earth passing away (v. 35), not other end-time events. In addition, Jesus said, “If therefore thou shalt not watch, I will come on thee as a thief, and thou shalt not know what hour I will come upon thee” (Revelation 3:3). He is obviously saying that to the one who watches, He will not come as a thief and that person will know the hour! (Hour -- Greek hora -- Strong’s 5610; various meanings, including, “any definite time, point of time, moment.”

GOD'S PROMISES OF REVELATION

1. It is clear that Jesus will not come as a "thief in the night" for watchful believers, because in the very same passage, verse 4, Paul tells us, "But you, brothers, are not in darkness so that this day should surprise you like a thief." If we are trusting in Christ and looking for His coming, Paul said that even the very day does not have to surprise us!

2. Also, Jesus exhorted, "If therefore thou shalt not watch, I will come on thee as a thief" (Revelation 3:3, KJV), obviously saying He will come as a thief only to those not watching! It is obvious that for those watching, He will NOT come as a thief.

3. Jesus rebuked those who did not understand the signs of the times in His day: "O ye hypocrites, ye can discern the face of the sky, but can ye not discern the signs of the times" (Matthew 16:3).

4. Of the end of the age, Jesus said, "And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh"(Luke 21:28). He said we would know when it is near!

5. God said, "Surely the sovereign Lord does nothing without revealing it to His servants the prophets" (Amos 3:7, NIV). God said "nothing," and He did not exclude Christ's return. I take Him at His word.

6. God not only knows the end from the beginning, He tells us that He makes it known! "I make known the end from the beginning, from ancient times, what is still to come." (Isaiah 46:10). He has already made it known! I personally believe it has been hidden in His Word all along, to be unlocked in His timing. There is nothing wrong with seeking! No doubt, it pleases God.

7. God said, "I have even from the beginning declared it to thee; before it came to pass I shewed it thee" (Isaiah 48:5, KJV).

8. Jesus said the Holy Spirit "will teach you all things" (John 14:26). He said "all things." Did Jesus make a mistake, forgetting to exclude when He will return? I don't think so.

9. Friends confide in one another. Abraham was called God’s “friend” (Isaiah 41:8; James 2:23). “And the LORD said, Shall I hide from Abraham that thing which I do” (Genesis 18:17). Now, because of Jesus’ atonement, we are called friends of God: “I no longer call you servants, because a servant does not know his master’s business. Instead, I have called you friends” (Jesus, John 15:15).

10. Ecclesiastes 1:9 says “What has been will be again, what has been done will be done again; there is nothing new under the sun” (NIV). Many Bible students believe that ancient events and dating in the Bible are shadows and clues that foretell the coming of the Lord, even the timing. An example is the six days of creation, seen as 6,000 years of man’s dominion over the earth, before the return of the Lord and the seventh, or Sabbath Millennium of peace, with Christ ruling in Jerusalem. According to scholars, we are now at the end of 6,000 years since Adam

There are other such passages. God clearly promised that we would know at least approximately when Christ will return, and even "the day" will not surprise us, as the Holy Spirit reveals through Paul!

In addition, there is ample precedent for God revealing specific times in advance.

1. He gave Noah advance notice of when the flood would be (Genesis 6,7).

2. He told Abraham how long the Israelites would be in Egypt (Genesis 15:13).

3. As mentioned, He revealed to many the very day of Elijah's rapture (2 Kings 2).

4. He told Jeremiah how long the Babylonian exile would be (Jeremiah 29:10).

5. He told Daniel exactly when Messiah would come the first time (Daniel 9:25-26).

6. Some, including the brilliant Sir Isaac Newton, believe this same passage holds the key to the timing of His return.

7. There is evidence that the Bible reveals the exact number of years of "the times of the Gentiles" and the exact span of time to Israel's rebirth in 1948 and the recapture of Jerusalem in 1967.

Obviously, leaving us clueless now would violate God's own established pattern as revealed in His Word!

Also obviously, we are not left clueless. There are many signs.

Bottom line: Let us remain watchful and ready, and be found doing the Master’s work. He could come today.
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When is the end of the Church Age?
Very soon I hope. I'm getting mighty tired of all this religious bullshit.
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Here is a good article which discusses and supports through biblical scripture Pre-Tribulation Rapture.

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