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Pesach - Unleavened Bread - Firstfruits

 
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Jesus has informed me of warning to partake of (LAST SUPPER)Passover feast on NISAN 14 From Sunday Sunset (6pm) 13 April 2014 for rememberance of Jesus as he was the lamb sacrificed BEFORE PASSOVER. Jesus has said we must partake of unleavened bread at this time in accordance with his laws

if you love me (Jesus) you will do what I ask, he asked us to partake of the Passover feast which he died on Nisan 14 which starts night of sunday 13 April 2014.


Also Jesus has informed me Prince William is the ANTICHRIST... he is indeed bred to be just that. Jesus showed me a year ago his flag is the opposite of the british union jack, being a red flag with blue cross. Also jesus has revealed to me you must repent and ask jesus to baptise you in shower/bath.

Jesus also revealed the set up of the abomination causing desolation is the engagement of Prince William 20 October 2010 1260 days equals 29 March 2014, 1290 days equals 2 May 2014, this is the window for rapture from then 45 days of great disaster/God's wrath. Woe to the earth!! Economic collapse and great tribulation..

P.S watch perry stone's rapture firstfruits (2014) he has studied and see's two raptures (barley and wheat harvests) and final judgement (winepress)
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6 Take care of them until the fourteenth day of the month, when all the members of the community of Israel must slaughter them at twilight. 7 Then they are to take some of the blood and put it on the sides and tops of the doorframes of the houses where they eat the lambs. 8 That same night they are to eat the meat roasted over the fire, along with bitter herbs, and bread made without yeast.

Exodus 12

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... That "same night" would be the 15th of Nisan ...
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... the ORIGINAL meal was on that night ...
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... so Yeshua would have eaten His last meal that night before on the 14th as HE would be SACRIFICED later that day ...
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Wisconsin, You had previously said that Yahushua died at the appointed time in the afternoon of the 14th of Abib? When do you consider the beginning of the 14th . . . at sunset? If so, then you consider the 14th as the first High Shabbath?
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... I said Yeshua was betrayed, brought before the Sanhedrin, put before Pilot, then put on the cross in the afternoon of the 14th when the lambs/goats were being HUMANLY sacrificed ... see the chart at the beginning link ...
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... The Creator's day begins with sunset so the 15th begins with the evening of what is considered on the calendar of the US as the 14th ...
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... my understanding from the studies I've done tells me the 14th was a day of preparation ... hence could not be considered a Feast day ...
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That is what I thought you meant. So, I maintain that your understandings bear the same fruits as that of the Pharisees who the controlling authority in the days of Yahushua walking in the flesh.

Out of curiosity, from the information that was presented about the chronological order of events that were posted earlier in this thread, laying out why the 15th is not the day of Passover: Can you answer the man's question about assembling a timeline that justifies the 15th as the First Day of Unleavened (Bread)?

Also, this might be a good read for you as well, pertaining to "byn ha arabim":

[link to yahuranger.com]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 12310419


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... see quote from Bible below ...
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6 Take care of them until the fourteenth day of the month, when all the members of the community of Israel must slaughter them at twilight. 7 Then they are to take some of the blood and put it on the sides and tops of the doorframes of the houses where they eat the lambs. 8 That same night they are to eat the meat roasted over the fire, along with bitter herbs, and bread made without yeast.

Exodus 12

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6 Take care of them until the fourteenth day of the month, when all the members of the community of Israel must slaughter them at twilight. 7 Then they are to take some of the blood and put it on the sides and tops of the doorframes of the houses where they eat the lambs. 8 That same night they are to eat the meat roasted over the fire, along with bitter herbs, and bread made without yeast.

Exodus 12

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... That "same night" would be the 15th of Nisan ...
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... the meal was on that night ...
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 Quoting: Wisconsin


It's not complicated, the lamb is killed between 1500 hours and sunset on Day 14.

This is why the Lord, our sacrificial Lamb, breathed His last at 1500 hours on Day 14.

After Sunset, the Night of Day 15 begins. This is the Sabbath Day. This is the only Sabbath Day before the Lord's resurrection on Day 16.

The night of Day 15 is also when the lamb is eaten, for the first time, with Unleavened bread.

You cannot have two Sabbath Days within a 7 Day period. This is what many come up with in order force the man-made Gregorian Calendar to agree with the Torah Calendar. It can't be done!
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That is what I thought you meant. So, I maintain that your understandings bear the same fruits as that of the Pharisees who the controlling authority in the days of Yahushua walking in the flesh.

Out of curiosity, from the information that was presented about the chronological order of events that were posted earlier in this thread, laying out why the 15th is not the day of Passover: Can you answer the man's question about assembling a timeline that justifies the 15th as the First Day of Unleavened (Bread)?

Also, this might be a good read for you as well, pertaining to "byn ha arabim":

[link to yahuranger.com]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 12310419


The Lord’s Body was in the tomb for ONLY 36 hours.

He died at 1500 hours on Friday the 3rd of April 33 AD.

This was at 1500 hours, Day 14 Month 1 Year 33 AD

He then rose from the dead, 36 hours later, at 0300 hours before dawn on Sunday the 5th of April 33 AD.

This was at 0300 hours Day 16 Month 1 Year 33 AD.

The following is how the 36 hours is broken down:

3 hours —— 1500 hrs to Sunset [This was the 4th watch of the Day of Day 14].

12 hours —— Sunset to Sunrise of Day 15 [Evening part of the Sabbath].

12 hours ——- Sunrise to Sunset of Day 15 [Day part of the Sabbath]

9 hours ——– Sunset of Day 16 to 0300 hours, before dawn.

3 hours + 12 hours + 12 hour + 9 hours = 36 hours
 Quoting: INTHELORDSNAME


That doesn't line up with Matt. 12:39-40-

39 But he answered and said unto them, An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas:

40 For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

You can't get 3 nights between Friday & Sunday.

Yeshua died on a Wednesday afternooon & rose just before sunset on the Sabbath. (Saturday)

Sunday was the Festival of First Fruits.

Wednesday night(Passover)
Thursday (1st Day of Unleavened Bread)
Thursday night
Friday
Friday night
Saturday
Sunday - Festival of First Fruits (Lev. 23:9-4)
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Correct, very correct. The Friday death is validation for the church to cover up Her ways. So they can validate the following

Asherah Day/Ishtar Day/ Easter

The forty day Weeping OF Tammuz that Ezekiel talks about, Lent.

Sorry but I bout blew a gasket!

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6 Take care of them until the fourteenth day of the month, when all the members of the community of Israel must slaughter them at twilight. 7 Then they are to take some of the blood and put it on the sides and tops of the doorframes of the houses where they eat the lambs. 8 That same night they are to eat the meat roasted over the fire, along with bitter herbs, and bread made without yeast.

Exodus 12

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... That "same night" would be the 15th of Nisan ...
.
... the meal was on that night ...
.
 Quoting: Wisconsin


It's not complicated, the lamb is killed between 1500 hours and sunset on Day 14.

This is why the Lord, our sacrificial Lamb, breathed His last at 1500 hours on Day 14.

After Sunset, the Night of Day 15 begins. This is the Sabbath Day. This is the only Sabbath Day before the Lord's resurrection on Day 16.

The night of Day 15 is also when the lamb is eaten, for the first time, with Unleavened bread.

You cannot have two Sabbath Days within a 7 Day period. This is what many come up with in order force the man-made Gregorian Calendar to agree with the Torah Calendar. It can't be done!
 Quoting: INTHELORDSNAME


There is a Shabbat and a High Shabbat, so two Shabbats can be done in one week. Yet if you wanna still buy into the 'Friday' sacrifice who am I to judge?

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6 Take care of them until the fourteenth day of the month, when all the members of the community of Israel must slaughter them at twilight. 7 Then they are to take some of the blood and put it on the sides and tops of the doorframes of the houses where they eat the lambs. 8 That same night they are to eat the meat roasted over the fire, along with bitter herbs, and bread made without yeast.

Exodus 12

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... That "same night" would be the 15th of Nisan ...
.
... the meal was on that night ...
.
 Quoting: Wisconsin


It's not complicated, the lamb is killed between 1500 hours and sunset on Day 14.

This is why the Lord, our sacrificial Lamb, breathed His last at 1500 hours on Day 14.

After Sunset, the Night of Day 15 begins. This is the Sabbath Day. This is the only Sabbath Day before the Lord's resurrection on Day 16.

The night of Day 15 is also when the lamb is eaten, for the first time, with Unleavened bread.

You cannot have two Sabbath Days within a 7 Day period. This is what many come up with in order force the man-made Gregorian Calendar to agree with the Torah Calendar. It can't be done!
 Quoting: INTHELORDSNAME


There is a Shabbat and a High Shabbat, so two Shabbats can be done in one week. Yet if you wanna still buy into the 'Friday' sacrifice who am I to judge?
 Quoting: ParadigmShift


"Therefore, because it was the Preparation Day [Day 14], that the bodies should not remain on the cross on the Sabbath [[Day 15] (for that Sabbath was a high day), the Jews asked Pilate that their legs might be broken, and that they might be taken away." [John 19:31][NKJ]

Day 15 [Month 1 Year 33 AD] A Sabbath Day was call a "high Day" because it was also the 1st Day of the Feast of Unleavened bread.

"It was Preparation Day [Day 14], and the Judeans did not want the bodies to remain on the stake on Shabbat [Day 15], since it was an especially important Shabbat. So they asked Pilate to have the legs broken and the bodies removed." [John 19:31][Complete Jewish Bible]

The Lord's body had to be buried within a 3 hour window, between 1500 hours on Day 14 and before Sunset on Day 15. For it was at Sunset Shabbat [Day 15] began!

Day 15 [Shabbat] was said to be important because it was the 1st Day of Unleavened bread.

Twist it all you want, you can't have two Shabbat Days within a 7 Day period!
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6 Take care of them until the fourteenth day of the month, when all the members of the community of Israel must slaughter them at twilight. 7 Then they are to take some of the blood and put it on the sides and tops of the doorframes of the houses where they eat the lambs. 8 That same night they are to eat the meat roasted over the fire, along with bitter herbs, and bread made without yeast.

Exodus 12

New International Version (NIV)

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... That "same night" would be the 15th of Nisan ...
.
... the meal was on that night ...
.
 Quoting: Wisconsin


It's not complicated, the lamb is killed between 1500 hours and sunset on Day 14.

This is why the Lord, our sacrificial Lamb, breathed His last at 1500 hours on Day 14.

After Sunset, the Night of Day 15 begins. This is the Sabbath Day. This is the only Sabbath Day before the Lord's resurrection on Day 16.

The night of Day 15 is also when the lamb is eaten, for the first time, with Unleavened bread.

You cannot have two Sabbath Days within a 7 Day period. This is what many come up with in order force the man-made Gregorian Calendar to agree with the Torah Calendar. It can't be done!
 Quoting: INTHELORDSNAME


There is a Shabbat and a High Shabbat, so two Shabbats can be done in one week. Yet if you wanna still buy into the 'Friday' sacrifice who am I to judge?
 Quoting: ParadigmShift


"Therefore, because it was the Preparation Day [Day 14], that the bodies should not remain on the cross on the Sabbath [[Day 15] (for that Sabbath was a high day), the Jews asked Pilate that their legs might be broken, and that they might be taken away." [John 19:31][NKJ]

Day 15 [Month 1 Year 33 AD] A Sabbath Day was call a "high Day" because it was also the 1st Day of the Feast of Unleavened bread.

"It was Preparation Day [Day 14], and the Judeans did not want the bodies to remain on the stake on Shabbat [Day 15], since it was an especially important Shabbat. So they asked Pilate to have the legs broken and the bodies removed." [John 19:31][Complete Jewish Bible]

The Lord's body had to be buried within a 3 hour window, between 1500 hours on Day 14 and before Sunset on Day 15. For it was at Sunset Shabbat [Day 15] began!

Day 15 [Shabbat] was said to be important because it was the 1st Day of Unleavened bread.

Twist it all you want, you can't have two Shabbat Days within a 7 Day period!
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the lamb is killed between 1500 hours and sunset on Day 14.

This is why the Lord, our sacrificial Lamb, breathed His last at 1500 hours on Day 14.

After Sunset, the Night of Day 15 begins. This is the Sabbath Day. This is the only Sabbath Day before the Lord's resurrection on Day 16.

The night of Day 15 is also when the lamb is eaten, for the first time, with Unleavened bread.

You cannot have two Sabbath Days within a 7 Day period. This is what many come up with in order force the man-made Gregorian Calendar to agree with the Torah Calendar. It can't be done!
 Quoting: INTHELORDSNAME


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... there is a chart at the link I shared at the beginning of this post ...
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... the WEEKLY Sabbaths never do fall on the same date from year to year ...
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... and at the time Yeshua was on Earth the new moon was declared to the Sanhedrin by two witnesses ... it wasn't a calculated event ...
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... so the year of Yeshua's Sacrifice the events all lined up that there really was the sign of Jonah ...
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... look at the chart referred to ...
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the lamb is killed between 1500 hours and sunset on Day 14.

This is why the Lord, our sacrificial Lamb, breathed His last at 1500 hours on Day 14.

After Sunset, the Night of Day 15 begins. This is the Sabbath Day. This is the only Sabbath Day before the Lord's resurrection on Day 16.

The night of Day 15 is also when the lamb is eaten, for the first time, with Unleavened bread.

You cannot have two Sabbath Days within a 7 Day period. This is what many come up with in order force the man-made Gregorian Calendar to agree with the Torah Calendar. It can't be done!
 Quoting: INTHELORDSNAME


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... there is a chart at the link I shared at the beginning of this post ...
.
... the WEEKLY Sabbaths never do fall on the same date from year to year ...
.
... and at the time Yeshua was on Earth the new moon was declared to the Sanhedrin by two witnesses ... it wasn't a calculated event ...
.
... so the year of Yeshua's Sacrifice the events all lined up that there really was the sign of Jonah ...
.
... look at the chart referred to ...
.
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That's where your wrong! They do fall on the same Day on God's Calendar.

It's on the man-made Gregorian Calendar that the Dates appear to move all over the place.

God's Sabbath Days have not changed since the days of Moses!

The Lord's Sabbath Days in every Jewish Month are the 8th, 15th, 22nd and the 29th.

These Dates cannot be changed!

On the Gregorian Calendar these Dates sometimes will fall on Saturday and at other times they won't.
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... sorry ... but the Weekly Sabbath does change in its relationship to when it falls from lunar month to lunar month ... this is not from following the greg's calendar ...
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... or do you follow the teaching that at the beginning of each lunar month the "week" resets? ...
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... someone shared that teaching with me and if you put that thing into practice ... the time near the end of that month will not have seven days for a Sabbath! ...
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... and when that happens the SEVEN days is violated ...
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6 Take care of them until the fourteenth day of the month, when all the members of the community of Israel must slaughter them at twilight. 7 Then they are to take some of the blood and put it on the sides and tops of the doorframes of the houses where they eat the lambs. 8 That same night they are to eat the meat roasted over the fire, along with bitter herbs, and bread made without yeast.

Exodus 12

New International Version (NIV)

.
... That "same night" would be the 15th of Nisan ...
.
... the ORIGINAL meal was on that night ...
.
... so Yeshua would have eaten His last meal that night before on the 14th as HE would be SACRIFICED later that day ...
.
 Quoting: Wisconsin



Exo 12:18 'In the firstH7223 month, on the fourteenthH702 H6240 dayH3117 of the monthH2320 at eveningH6153, you shall eatH398 unleavenedH4682 breadH4682, untilH5704 the twenty-firstH6242 H259 dayH3117 of the monthH2320 at eveningH6153.

H6153
ערב
‛ereb
BDB Definition:
1) evening, night, sunset
1a) evening, sunset
1b) night
Part of Speech: noun masculine
A Related Word by BDB/Strong’s Number: from H6150
Same Word by TWOT Number: 1689a

H6150
ערב
‛ârab
BDB Definition:
1) to become evening, grow dark
1a) (Qal) to become evening, grow dark
1b) (Hiphil) to spend the evening, do at evening
Part of Speech: verb
A Related Word by BDB/Strong’s Number: a primitive root [identical with H6148 through the idea of covering with a texture]
Same Word by TWOT Number: 1689

H6148
ערב
‛ârab
BDB Definition:
1) to pledge, exchange, mortgage, engage, occupy, undertake for, give pledges, be or become surety, take on pledge, give in pledge
1a) (Qal)
1a1) to take on pledge, go surety for
1a2) to give in pledge
1a3) to exchange
1a4) to pledge
1b) (Hithpael)
1b1) to exchange pledges

H5704
עד
‛ad
BDB Definition:
1) as far as, even to, until, up to, while, as far as (preposition)
1a) of space
1a1) as far as, up to, even to
1b) in combination
1b1) from...as far as, both...and (with ‘min’ - from)
1c) of time
1c1) even to, until, unto, till, during, end
1d) of degree
1d1) even to, to the degree of, even like
2) until, while, to the point that, so that even (conjunction)
Part of Speech: see above in Definition
A Related Word by BDB/Strong’s Number: properly, the same as H5703 (used as preposition, adverb or conjunction)
Same Word by TWOT Number: 1565c

Your timing must agree with the Torah! The "same night" is not the 15th as evidenced here in Exodus 12:18. Verse 18 explicitly states that the count starts "on" the 14th "at even/erev". Per the definitions sited in BDB, "erev" means dusk, sunset, an intermingling, mixing or interbraiding (of light and dark). The sun is not up as you somehow overlook like your teachers who Yahushua says are the blind leading the blind.

Next, it states explicitly that you are to keep the 7 days of eating unleavened bread "until" the 21st day at erev. The word is "ad" in the Hebrew and it implies that when you arrive at the object ( the object here is erev marking the beginning of the 21st day) YOU STOP!!! You don't continue on into the 21st day . . . You stop when you reach the beginning of that 21st Day!!!

Wake up oh Israel!!!
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6 Take care of them until the fourteenth day of the month, when all the members of the community of Israel must slaughter them at twilight. 7 Then they are to take some of the blood and put it on the sides and tops of the doorframes of the houses where they eat the lambs. 8 That same night they are to eat the meat roasted over the fire, along with bitter herbs, and bread made without yeast.

Exodus 12

New International Version (NIV)

.
... That "same night" would be the 15th of Nisan ...
.
... the ORIGINAL meal was on that night ...
.
... so Yeshua would have eaten His last meal that night before on the 14th as HE would be SACRIFICED later that day ...
.
 Quoting: Wisconsin



Exo 12:18 'In the firstH7223 month, on the fourteenthH702 H6240 dayH3117 of the monthH2320 at eveningH6153, you shall eatH398 unleavenedH4682 breadH4682, untilH5704 the twenty-firstH6242 H259 dayH3117 of the monthH2320 at eveningH6153.

H6153
ערב
‛ereb
BDB Definition:
1) evening, night, sunset
1a) evening, sunset
1b) night
Part of Speech: noun masculine
A Related Word by BDB/Strong’s Number: from H6150
Same Word by TWOT Number: 1689a

H6150
ערב
‛ârab
BDB Definition:
1) to become evening, grow dark
1a) (Qal) to become evening, grow dark
1b) (Hiphil) to spend the evening, do at evening
Part of Speech: verb
A Related Word by BDB/Strong’s Number: a primitive root [identical with H6148 through the idea of covering with a texture]
Same Word by TWOT Number: 1689

H6148
ערב
‛ârab
BDB Definition:
1) to pledge, exchange, mortgage, engage, occupy, undertake for, give pledges, be or become surety, take on pledge, give in pledge
1a) (Qal)
1a1) to take on pledge, go surety for
1a2) to give in pledge
1a3) to exchange
1a4) to pledge
1b) (Hithpael)
1b1) to exchange pledges

H5704
עד
‛ad
BDB Definition:
1) as far as, even to, until, up to, while, as far as (preposition)
1a) of space
1a1) as far as, up to, even to
1b) in combination
1b1) from...as far as, both...and (with ‘min’ - from)
1c) of time
1c1) even to, until, unto, till, during, end
1d) of degree
1d1) even to, to the degree of, even like
2) until, while, to the point that, so that even (conjunction)
Part of Speech: see above in Definition
A Related Word by BDB/Strong’s Number: properly, the same as H5703 (used as preposition, adverb or conjunction)
Same Word by TWOT Number: 1565c

Your timing must agree with the Torah! The "same night" is not the 15th as evidenced here in Exodus 12:18. Verse 18 explicitly states that the count starts "on" the 14th "at even/erev". Per the definitions sited in BDB, "erev" means dusk, sunset, an intermingling, mixing or interbraiding (of light and dark). The sun is not up as you somehow overlook like your teachers who Yahushua says are the blind leading the blind.

Next, it states explicitly that you are to keep the 7 days of eating unleavened bread "until" the 21st day at erev. The word is "ad" in the Hebrew and it implies that when you arrive at the object ( the object here is erev marking the beginning of the 21st day) YOU STOP!!! You don't continue on into the 21st day . . . You stop when you reach the beginning of that 21st Day!!!

Wake up oh Israel!!!
 Quoting: ne14Yah 12310419


You're a real firebrand tonight!

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Joyous I'm and praise be to The Mighty One of Jacob for ever! I'm very pleased to know that my first Passover meal ever will be Torah observant!

It doesn't get any better then that! Baptized in the afternoon, and enjoying Passover in the Evening.
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6 Take care of them until the fourteenth day of the month, when all the members of the community of Israel must slaughter them at twilight. 7 Then they are to take some of the blood and put it on the sides and tops of the doorframes of the houses where they eat the lambs. 8 That same night they are to eat the meat roasted over the fire, along with bitter herbs, and bread made without yeast.

Exodus 12

New International Version (NIV)

.
... That "same night" would be the 15th of Nisan ...
.
... the ORIGINAL meal was on that night ...
.
... so Yeshua would have eaten His last meal that night before on the 14th as HE would be SACRIFICED later that day ...
.
 Quoting: Wisconsin



Exo 12:18 'In the firstH7223 month, on the fourteenthH702 H6240 dayH3117 of the monthH2320 at eveningH6153, you shall eatH398 unleavenedH4682 breadH4682, untilH5704 the twenty-firstH6242 H259 dayH3117 of the monthH2320 at eveningH6153.

H6153
ערב
‛ereb
BDB Definition:
1) evening, night, sunset
1a) evening, sunset
1b) night
Part of Speech: noun masculine
A Related Word by BDB/Strong’s Number: from H6150
Same Word by TWOT Number: 1689a

H6150
ערב
‛ârab
BDB Definition:
1) to become evening, grow dark
1a) (Qal) to become evening, grow dark
1b) (Hiphil) to spend the evening, do at evening
Part of Speech: verb
A Related Word by BDB/Strong’s Number: a primitive root [identical with H6148 through the idea of covering with a texture]
Same Word by TWOT Number: 1689

H6148
ערב
‛ârab
BDB Definition:
1) to pledge, exchange, mortgage, engage, occupy, undertake for, give pledges, be or become surety, take on pledge, give in pledge
1a) (Qal)
1a1) to take on pledge, go surety for
1a2) to give in pledge
1a3) to exchange
1a4) to pledge
1b) (Hithpael)
1b1) to exchange pledges

H5704
עד
‛ad
BDB Definition:
1) as far as, even to, until, up to, while, as far as (preposition)
1a) of space
1a1) as far as, up to, even to
1b) in combination
1b1) from...as far as, both...and (with ‘min’ - from)
1c) of time
1c1) even to, until, unto, till, during, end
1d) of degree
1d1) even to, to the degree of, even like
2) until, while, to the point that, so that even (conjunction)
Part of Speech: see above in Definition
A Related Word by BDB/Strong’s Number: properly, the same as H5703 (used as preposition, adverb or conjunction)
Same Word by TWOT Number: 1565c

Your timing must agree with the Torah! The "same night" is not the 15th as evidenced here in Exodus 12:18. Verse 18 explicitly states that the count starts "on" the 14th "at even/erev". Per the definitions sited in BDB, "erev" means dusk, sunset, an intermingling, mixing or interbraiding (of light and dark). The sun is not up as you somehow overlook like your teachers who Yahushua says are the blind leading the blind.

Next, it states explicitly that you are to keep the 7 days of eating unleavened bread "until" the 21st day at erev. The word is "ad" in the Hebrew and it implies that when you arrive at the object ( the object here is erev marking the beginning of the 21st day) YOU STOP!!! You don't continue on into the 21st day . . . You stop when you reach the beginning of that 21st Day!!!

Wake up oh Israel!!!
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You're a real firebrand tonight!

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Joyous I'm and praise be to The Mighty One of Jacob for ever! I'm very pleased to know that my first Passover meal ever will be Torah observant!

It doesn't get any better then that! Baptized in the afternoon, and enjoying Passover in the Evening.
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We are over-joyed and very much looking forward to that, Achi! Shabbath Shalom forever!
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Joh 6:53 יהושע therefore said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Aḏam and drink His blood, you possess no life in yourselves.
Joh 6:54 “He who eats My flesh and drinks My blood possesses everlasting life, and I shall raise him up in the last day.
Joh 6:55 “For My flesh is truly food, and My blood is truly drink.
Joh 6:56 “He who eats My flesh and drinks My blood stays in Me, and I in him.

Mat 26:18 And He said, “Go into the city to a certain man, and say to him, ‘The Teacher says, “My time is near. I am to observe the Passover at your house with My taught ones.” ’ ”
Mat 26:19 And the taught ones did as יהושע had ordered them, and prepared the Passover.
Mat 26:20 And when evening came, He sat down with the twelve.
Mat 26:21 And while they were eating, He said, “Truly, I say to you, one of you shall deliver Me up.”

Mat 26:26 And as they were eating, יהושע took bread, and having blessed, broke and gave it to the taught ones and said, “Take, eat, this is My body.”
Mat 26:27 And taking the cup, and giving thanks, He gave it to them, saying, “Drink from it, all of you.
Mat 26:28 “For this is My blood, that of the renewed covenant, which is shed for many for the forgiveness of sins.


Yahushua's hour had finally come and he sat down with his disciples to EAT THE PASSOVER that he had commanded his disciples to go and prepare and make ready.

If you cannot see that Yahushua transferred the requirement to eat his flesh and drink his blood to the unleavened bread and the wine and SEE with spiritual eyes the moment had come for giving over himself as the Passover for his disciples in that he shared his body (the bread) and his blood(the wine) then you have need to repent of following another shepherd's voice.

Exodus 12:16 states that everyone MUST eat the Passover:

'On the first day you shall have a chadosh assembly, and another chodesh assembly on the seventh day; no work at all shall be done on them, EXCEPT WHAT MUST BE EATEN BY EVERY PERSON, that alone may be prepared by you.

CAN YOU SEE THE PARALLEL AND FULFILLMENT??????

WAKE UP OH ISRAEL . . .
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It is a MUTE POINT to insist that we should be looking for the moment he draws his last breath as the decisive moment showing us when to kill the Passover. THEY WERE IN ERROR and they proclaimed to have his blood on themselves and on their children.

How long will you continue to not see with spiritual eyes and only "trust" in your carnal sight.

How long oh Israel . . .
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everything is in complete agreement with the timing of Scripture.

John 18:28 Then led they Jesus from Caiaphas unto the hall of judgment: and it was early; and they themselves went not into the judgment hall, lest they should be defiled; but that they might eat the Passover.

The priests would not go into Pilate's hall so they would not be defiled and they could eat the Passover. This was the morning of the day YAHSHUA was crucified. Notice they had not eaten the Passover yet.

John 19:14 And it was the preparation of the Passover, and about the sixth hour: and he saith unto the Jews, Behold your King!

It was the preparation of the Passover which is stated in the other Gospels as well.

John 13:1 Now before the feast of the Passover, when Jesus knew that his hour was come that he should depart out of this world unto the Father, having loved his own which were in the world, he loved them unto the end.

This was during the Last Supper which is said is before the feast of the Passover. He was killed on the Preparation day of the Passover.

Mark 14:12 And the first day of unleavened bread, when they killed the Passover, his disciples said unto him, Where wilt thou that we go and prepare that thou mayest eat the Passover?

It tells us in this verse that it was the first day of unleavened bread or the preparation day when the Passover was killed. That would be the day He was crucified.


How much more perfect could the timing be? He was killed on the preparation day and became our Passover meal that evening which is when the Passover feast started.
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concerning His last breath. It was when He breathed His last that He fully obeyed and fulfilled the law. He had to give His life to save us in order to be completely obedient to the law of Loving YAH above all and your neighbor as yourself.

By being obedient to YAH's law to lay down His life as a Sacrifice He loved His Father above all. By giving His life as a Sacrifice to save us He loved His neighbor as Himself.

He had faith in His Father's promise that if He gave His life as a sacrifice in obedience to the law and in order to save us that His Father would raise Him from the dead.

He is the One Man Whose obedience to the Law saved Him from death. And He had to die to be fully obedient.

How wonderful; How beautiful and marvelous how it all fits together so perfectly in agreement with all of Scripture.

So it was His Obedience and Love and Faith that saved Him. Absolutely perfect.
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The Lamb of YAH slain from the foundation of the world.
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concerning His last breath. It was when He breathed His last that He fully obeyed and fulfilled the law. He had to give His life to save us in order to be completely obedient to the law of Loving YAH above all and your neighbor as yourself.

By being obedient to YAH's law to lay down His life as a Sacrifice He loved His Father above all. By giving His life as a Sacrifice to save us He loved His neighbor as Himself.

He had faith in His Father's promise that if He gave His life as a sacrifice in obedience to the law and in order to save us that His Father would raise Him from the dead.

He is the One Man Whose obedience to the Law saved Him from death. And He had to die to be fully obedient.

How wonderful; How beautiful and marvelous how it all fits together so perfectly in agreement with all of Scripture.

So it was His Obedience and Love and Faith that saved Him. Absolutely perfect.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29939563


MoshYah, Yahushua, knew that his HOUR HAD COME. He sent his disciples to prepare the Passover for them to eat . . . he did eat the Passover with his disciples. As did the destroying angel went about Mitzraim (Egypt) killing the first born of Mitzraim IN THE MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT, so did they come for Yahushua at the Garden of Gethsemane IN THE MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT.

The patterns are all there for those who have eyes that see and ears that hear.

Taking his last breath was a MUTE POINT. He had already given himself to be the Passover Lamb and was eaten by his disciples the previous night.

How long, oh Israel . . .
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... the chart says it all ...
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Have you considered, that if you are wrong, that you are now teaching error? And are effectively taking away from and adding to the Word of Yahuwah?

Calling it a "graduation meal" is like taking Abba's name "in vain". Bringing it to nothing and making it of no effect. Removing the importance of the time and giving the ordained esteem to the time of another . . .
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concerning His last breath. It was when He breathed His last that He fully obeyed and fulfilled the law. He had to give His life to save us in order to be completely obedient to the law of Loving YAH above all and your neighbor as yourself.

By being obedient to YAH's law to lay down His life as a Sacrifice He loved His Father above all. By giving His life as a Sacrifice to save us He loved His neighbor as Himself.

He had faith in His Father's promise that if He gave His life as a sacrifice in obedience to the law and in order to save us that His Father would raise Him from the dead.

He is the One Man Whose obedience to the Law saved Him from death. And He had to die to be fully obedient.

How wonderful; How beautiful and marvelous how it all fits together so perfectly in agreement with all of Scripture.

So it was His Obedience and Love and Faith that saved Him. Absolutely perfect.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29939563


MoshYah, Yahushua, knew that his HOUR HAD COME. He sent his disciples to prepare the Passover for them to eat . . . he did eat the Passover with his disciples. As did the destroying angel went about Mitzraim (Egypt) killing the first born of Mitzraim IN THE MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT, so did they come for Yahushua at the Garden of Gethsemane IN THE MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT.

The patterns are all there for those who have eyes that see and ears that hear.

Taking his last breath was a MUTE POINT. He had already given himself to be the Passover Lamb and was eaten by his disciples the previous night.

How long, oh Israel . . .
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I forgot to add a very important parallel:

The temple guard came for and arrested the FIRST BORN OF ADAM KIND with every intention of putting him to death for the sin of blasphemy. He was a "dead man walking" from the moment he gave the order to GO AND MAKE READY THE PASSOVER.

His last breath is a mute point.

Did he not suffer that night, in the Garden of Gethsemane, SWEATING AS IT WERE GREAT DROPS OF BLOOD??? He was already well into the process of breathing his last. His blood had been spilt for us well before he breathed his last on the tree.

How long oh Yahuwah . . .
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Have you considered, that if you are wrong, that you are now teaching error? And are effectively taking away from and adding to the Word of Yahuwah?

Calling it a "graduation meal" is like taking Abba's name "in vain". Bringing it to nothing and making it of no effect. Removing the importance of the time and giving the ordained esteem to the time of another . . .
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... and do you ever think what you are "teaching" could get you in trouble too? ...
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Have you considered, that if you are wrong, that you are now teaching error? And are effectively taking away from and adding to the Word of Yahuwah?

Calling it a "graduation meal" is like taking Abba's name "in vain". Bringing it to nothing and making it of no effect. Removing the importance of the time and giving the ordained esteem to the time of another . . .
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... and do you ever think what you are "teaching" could get you in trouble too? ...
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 Quoting: Wisconsin
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Have you considered, that if you are wrong, that you are now teaching error? And are effectively taking away from and adding to the Word of Yahuwah?

Calling it a "graduation meal" is like taking Abba's name "in vain". Bringing it to nothing and making it of no effect. Removing the importance of the time and giving the ordained esteem to the time of another . . .
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... and do you ever think what you are "teaching" could get you in trouble too? ...
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... the chart says it all ...
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Looks good to me.

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it was when He breathed His last breath on the cross that the veil in the Temple was torn apart from top to bottom. The book of Hebrews tells us this signified that the way into the Holy of Holies was by His death and the veil was His flesh.

He is the High Priest Who entered once with His own blood as the sacrifice to save us in fulfillment of the Temple sacrificial worship. He is the Lamb without spot or blemish to His very last breath on the cross.

He said "it is finished" right before He died. He knew He had to die to save us and be completely obedient to the law. He even asked when praying in the garden if there was another way but He knew the law required His Life as a sacrifice. It was all about Him.
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That is what I thought you meant. So, I maintain that your understandings bear the same fruits as that of the Pharisees who the controlling authority in the days of Yahushua walking in the flesh.

Out of curiosity, from the information that was presented about the chronological order of events that were posted earlier in this thread, laying out why the 15th is not the day of Passover: Can you answer the man's question about assembling a timeline that justifies the 15th as the First Day of Unleavened (Bread)?

Also, this might be a good read for you as well, pertaining to "byn ha arabim":

[link to yahuranger.com]
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The Lord’s Body was in the tomb for ONLY 36 hours.

He died at 1500 hours on Friday the 3rd of April 33 AD.

This was at 1500 hours, Day 14 Month 1 Year 33 AD

He then rose from the dead, 36 hours later, at 0300 hours before dawn on Sunday the 5th of April 33 AD.

This was at 0300 hours Day 16 Month 1 Year 33 AD.

The following is how the 36 hours is broken down:

3 hours —— 1500 hrs to Sunset [This was the 4th watch of the Day of Day 14].

12 hours —— Sunset to Sunrise of Day 15 [Evening part of the Sabbath].

12 hours ——- Sunrise to Sunset of Day 15 [Day part of the Sabbath]

9 hours ——– Sunset of Day 16 to 0300 hours, before dawn.

3 hours + 12 hours + 12 hour + 9 hours = 36 hours
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That doesn't line up with Matt. 12:39-40-

39 But he answered and said unto them, An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas:

40 For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

You can't get 3 nights between Friday & Sunday.

Yeshua died on a Wednesday afternooon & rose just before sunset on the Sabbath. (Saturday)

Sunday was the Festival of First Fruits.

Wednesday night(Passover)
Thursday (1st Day of Unleavened Bread)
Thursday night
Friday
Friday night
Saturday
Sunday - Festival of First Fruits (Lev. 23:9-4)
 Quoting: mopar28m


Correct, very correct. The Friday death is validation for the church to cover up Her ways. So they can validate the following

Asherah Day/Ishtar Day/ Easter

The forty day Weeping OF Tammuz that Ezekiel talks about, Lent.

Sorry but I bout blew a gasket!
 Quoting: ParadigmShift



If we believe He was the Word that was made flesh and He fulfilled the spring feasts, then Leviticus 23 is what happened..

14th day of God's month unblemished lamb slain
15th day of God's month- high sabbath (feast of unleavned bread) - our Savior 'rested' on the sabbath in the tomb.
16th day of God's month - 'first fruits according to the Word- Our Savior rose and became the first fruits.


We have got to flee this Gregorian calendar mentality and it's gods and goddesses named days...

God numbers days, He never names them.

And Messiah spoke in parables but apparently everybody takes a 'literal' meaning of three days and three nights with Jonah....

Jonah was a prophet, same as Messiah.. and at Jonah's preaching the days in ninevah, ninevah repented..
And a greater than Jonah had come, and Jerusalem would not repent..

And 40 years later, Jerusalem was routed...
Jews believed what happened to Jonah but couldn't see their messiah right in front of their eyes...





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