YELLOWSTONE UPDATES (2014) : ... Strange things happening @ Yellowstone...

It is rather ridiculous to have them all set differently. I know that you want to "weed" out things that are not truly seismic in nature, but you really should have all of the different seismographs in the same area (i.e. the whole Yellowstone area) set the same so that they can be analyzed appropriately.

Please be nice.

How much of a dent in the world did all the kids killed by the asian tsu ami, hitler, hurricane katrina etc etc make?

It dont work like that sorry.

Same Dent as the saying : He who does not learn from their past will be doomed to repeat it.

Ie: we have learned from the volcano in Iceland, China, Mount St. Helene and the famous ones like "Pompeii".. that should it happen here, we will be able to act quickly and efficiently.
We know how the ash cloud will travel in the Upper atmosphere, and how the lava will travel. This is why our Emergency Teams have practiced and studied for this type of emergency. Should it happen, we will know how to react.
The reason that I am glad of this Thread, is because there are those that are keeping track and records. Every little bit of information will be needed in the future.

"If I don't make a dent in the world, maybe it won't dent me back"......

I agree completely E.M. From the Quantum Atomic level to Galaxies, the Universe balances, strives for equilibrium. I absolutely believe that whatever existance I am in, and whatever I do in that existence, balance WILL be restored at some point, whether in this or some other existance I don't know, but I believe it WILL be restored. Therefore, as you say, I try to make the smallest "dent" possible, build as small a "charge" as possible, so when the "discharge" back to neutral comes, it will be as easy as possible, on the Universe and myself, for it to be implemented.

Agreed, please be nice!

I believe this to be some sort of 'surface noise' (note - if you use the above link, you need to click on 3 May, 2014 at the top of the screen to see this event starting around 21:42 utc).

It starts slowly, rises to a high noise level, and fades away again.
It lasts for around a half hour.

This page shows some 'surface noise' examples.
[link to www.iris.edu]

This seismo is set to 500 microvolts.
I can't remember is a low microvoltage is more sensitive or less sensitive.
I'll have to read thru last weeks posts (I think we had a poster in this thread who was helping us better understand the differences in microvolt settings and the levels of sensitivity).

G'morning all you y'stoners.

Looks quiet out there today.....

Ha! Found this thru google search, a GLP thread from August 2010.




The original thread is

Thread: Yellowstone: Norris Junction's seismograph today (Page 4)

It's the 10th post down - she gives some great links and info, i edited the post to show the info I was looking for regarding seismo sensitivity.

In regards to the event at 21:42 utc at Array-Grant on 3 May, 2014, the seismo at Array-Grant is set at 500 microvolts.

[link to quake.utah.edu] (you might have to select 3May, 2014 from the menu at the top to see it)

500 microvolts is not the lowest setting, but still fairly low. For example the setting a the Lake Butte seismo is 1600 microvolts.

So it's pretty sensitive and would probably pick up human or animal activity on the surface, I would guess.

(Edited to add a link)

Last Edited by RefreshPage on 05/06/2014 10:14 AM

While it always deserves a wary eye, I would not so much bet on a Yellowstone eruption, at least not a major one, in our lifetime, I would be looking for increasing signs of volcanism further West in supposed dormant sites for a surprise. YES people should keep in mind any SHTF plans in that region should include an eruption, but if they are going to lose sleep or hair over it they should just move, but there is always a downside to wherever you live, you need to learn to live with it. Do you have a house you could seal in less than an hour? Do you have a mask to filer out ash? Do you have means to clear away any ash or get all your tomato plants indoors? How about just dealing with a major quake or flood that can result from an eruption? downstream of a potential Lahar? Study it, plan for it, deal with it, or move or forget about it. Do NOT live in fear. Sorry for typos, dam computer spelling what it thinks I meant.

I get the feeling y'stone is just rumbling a bit and, if anything, will let out a wee burp and go back to sleep.
The lava dome is building again at Mt. St. Helens.
Some small earthquake activity under the Long Valley Caldera in California at a depth of 2km.
[link to www.data.scec.org]
And elsewhere....

So I agree that further west is where we will be watching in the future.

But for now, I believe that many on this thread just seek a deeper knowledge and understanding of the forces at work here at y'stone and related to other volcanoes.
By watching y'stone we will be better prepared to understand activity at any volcanic site.

No fear.



Edited to add link

Last Edited by RefreshPage on 05/06/2014 10:31 AM

Hear hear.

Except for one small (huge) thing. Much of the seismic data has been contaminated by the electromagnetic experimentation of HAARP and DARPA. A combination of forces I will now refer to as the 'HERPA DERP'.

On the bright side, at least we know THAT now. And I for one have been having a ball learning about how stupidly smart men can have such powerful effects on the Earth and everything. Much like a repeat of when the atom bomb was first created.

Last night I watched a 2003 talk on HAARP by Nick Begich and he explains all the currently known applications of HAARP, including its use in earth-penetrating tomography - another possible explanation for what DARPA is doing around YS.

I implore everyone who is seeking answers to what we've been tracking at Yellowstone to watch this talk in its entirety:

[link to www.youtube.com (secure)]

It's an hour long, and absolutely enlightening.

Last Edited by AllThatCanBe on 05/06/2014 11:32 AM

So, I will be up for this challenge a bit later today. I'm not saying that you are wrong. There is a lot to look at.

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What I've been trying to figure out THIS MORNING is

WHAT HAPPENED in the park this morning?

I am a bit surprised that no one is chatting about this.

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The live cam went down at 4:56 MT, which is 10:56 UTC.

When I started my usual morning look-see, the first thing I saw was that the South-facing Mt. Washburn cam was showing a HUGE white-ish with some dark emission, rising high in the sky about mid-point in the view.

This was at 7:36 Local Time. I took a screenshot, opened Word, and found that I had lost my wi-fi connection.

So, I reset my connection, took a second screenshot, to find that the view in the cam had deteriorated sharply. You can see the steam or whatever it is rising near the bottom in this edited shot; it has a dark mass at the top:

:Mt. Washburn:

After this I looked through seismos, finding a series of rumbles and quakes on the Madison River helicorder traces: [link to www.isthisthingon.org]

The quake at 10:38:30ish was shortly before the cam went down.

It appears that Maple Creek felt it AT THE SAME MOMENT: [link to www.isthisthingon.org]

But, just like yesterday, the quake was felt earlier at Denny Creek [link to www.isthisthingon.org]

YET, Hegben Lake seemed to record it ever so slightly moments sooner than Denny: [link to www.isthisthingon.org]

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What I do is place a small sticky note on my monitor at what looks like the earliest point of impact, then bring up a series of traces to compare.

Once I find the earliest, I double check them all again.

Hebgen Lake has what looks like an early rumble moments before the event took place...the others all traced afterward.

Also, just like yesterday, I see that it registered in other places around the region.


A quick look at the cams before I post this show that visibility in the Park has deteriorated in the past two hours.

The quake was local, somewhere closer to Hebgen Lake than Denny Creek, and this time looks like a double slam throughout much of the immediate area. I think there may have been two quakes in succession, or, a huge echo effect on the first.

To see it quick and easily, go to this page G [link to www.isthisthingon.org]

Put in Slice thickness: 90 minutes Center time (MST) 1: 15

all the traces will come up for that time period alone, for you to compare.

REVISION AT 2:02 PM EST

While studying this further, I have just looked at the Traces again to find that Denny Creek seems to have felt the quake this morning approx two seconds sooner than Hegben Lake:

Denny Creek: 10:39:22 UTC 4:39:22 MT May 6th
[link to www.isthisthingon.org]

Hebgen Lake 10:39:25 UTC 4:39:25 MT May 6th
[link to www.isthisthingon.org]

Madison River: 10:39:27 UTC 4:39:27 MT May 6th
[link to www.isthisthingon.org]

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I just wanted to clarify my mistake, since we have been following this so closely.

Someone might think: What's the difference?

Well, Hebgen and Denny are on opposite sides of the flood plain, and with Hebgen already having had a terrible quake in 1959, the differentiation as to 'who was on first' might be emotionally unnerving to someone reading false info.

I will go even further to say that I can't really be certain that the area around Denny was the epicenter...it certainly doesn't LOOK like it on the trace...but it's all we have to go on right now.

Yet, I did go through all the traces on the 'Montana' site, finding none sooner than 10:40:00...at Yellow Bay, Bassoo Peak, Jette Mt., Schwartz Lake, Ferry Basin, and Pistol Creek -which is very active.

I throw this out for anyone interested in looking yonder.



I apologize if I have done so

Last Edited by esotericMorgan on 05/06/2014 03:45 PM

Current view now has snow showers:

Scattered snow showers before 1pm, then rain showers likely. Some thunder is also possible. Cloudy, with a high near 45. North northeast wind 7 to 10 mph. Chance of precipitation is 70%. Total daytime snow accumulation of 1 to 2 inches possible. [link to forecast.weather.gov]


[link to www.nps.gov]

Just when it's most important to keep an eye on the Park, Mother Nature makes it a bit more difficult. Oh, well!

Last Edited by esotericMorgan on 05/06/2014 11:45 AM

Very frustrating with the live cam down and both the Biscuit Basin and Upper Geyser Basin webcams frozen.
Grrrr...

Looks like its sleet-rain right now. Super foggy.
Terrible weather for geyser viewing.

the old faithful still cam is still working.
[link to www.nps.gov]

Hehehe. That why I said 'forces' and not 'natural forces'.

Will watch this video later today, thanks

cams down ...sigh

Yup !!!! again.....

Strong EM energy warping the webcam view at Electric Peak yesterday.

A few quick warps in the morning, then it ramps up in intensity and frequency from midday to evening.





Last Edited by AllThatCanBe on 05/06/2014 01:15 PM

It's good to see Bison grazing near Electric Peak: [link to www.nps.gov]

Bummer......

FYI: after looking at this morning's quake closer, I see that just as yesterday, it hit Denny Lake a bit sooner.

I looked through all of the available seismo's throughout the region, and found none sooner.

Just posting this so I don't steer anyone wrong. Also, I have gone back and updated that post, noting my error.

I wish I was there to scope the area out, and wish I knew which geyser rose so high this morning that it show prominently in the South Washburn cam. [It was south of the canyon, but not as far south as the lake.]

Whatever it was I a pretty certain it was what clouded up the region.



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Last Edited by esotericMorgan on 05/06/2014 03:55 PM

Whatever that 'jump' was at 1:47 in the video actually seemed that it might have been the cause of all those Bison running.

Interesting, once again.

Loop footage being prepared...

Can't wait to see what our homegrown GLP Ranger brings back from the trip to Y'Stone.

No cam :(

Great spot.

Bison start skedaddling during the hour of 13:00 to 14:00 MST.

Seismo for that area (NE Entrance): [link to www.isthisthingon.org]

All the other seismographs show the 'stepped' interval pattern of pulses, which breaks its linear sequence at 10:00 and pulses once HARD 3 hours later at 13:04.

This seismo shows exactly that big pulse at 13:04: [link to www.isthisthingon.org]

I would bet that the stepped pattern of pulses running diagonally across the seismo (like a stairway) are the charging/calibration pulses to get conditions just right for the dramatic pulse at 13:04MST.

That pulse is the first time any seismo has not only created a 'tick' mark (the pulse spike) but also shown a harmonic 'tail'. This is possibly the residual energy from the increased power of the pulse, although HAARP operates using resonance / harmonics so it could also be that it's making the ground vibrate and buzz with harmonic energy.

Explanation above is subject to change as more understanding becomes available.

Here's more:

Same situation happened with "Superstorm Sandy" and Katrina, as we see with Yellowstone and the big tornado outbreak of late April. I wouldn't have believed HAARP was involved in that until now, but guess how the scientists tracked the direction of the storm?

Seismometers, especially ones in BOREHOLES.

[link to wattsupwiththat.com]

Koper adds: “Hurricane Katrina in 2005 was recorded by a seismic array in California, and they could track the path of the storm remotely using seismometers.”

Now they can use these oceanic tremors to predict the future path of a superstorm... And I have a bridge to sell anyone who believes that.

The reason they're creating these storms in the USA (with HAARP - not a Russian device, for example) is because of international treaties back in the day that allowed weather experimentation/warfare as long as it was within the borders of your own country. Just FYI @ Americans in this thread.

At least it's not Russia, because that'd cause World War 3 in a heartbeat.

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Okay...so now for your challenge!

To begin, no quakes have been reported by the Lake so far.

I am not discounting that what you say is true...so I will cover what we can see.

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Let's start by LOOKING at the Park Traces for the time frame of the quake you mention at Array Grant. The event at Array occurred about 21:41.

To see how the May 3rd event you are noting was recorded throughout the park, generate an easily comparable, one page slice report here:
[link to www.isthisthingon.org]

In the top left-hand corner first put in May 3rd for the date,

Then, where it says 'Slice thickness:' put in 90 minutes, and for 'Center time (MST)' put in 14: 30

Then press the "Generate Report" button.

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From what I can see, it certainly LOOKS as if the event could have happened at the Lake, although it's somewhat difficult to tell...unless you look very closely at the traces.

Madison River had an event earlier than the Lake, around 21:38:50. Even though its trace is quite active, the event starting at 21:38:50 is clearly shown.

Old Faithful shows it by 21:39, which, again, is earlier than even the event at Array Grant.

Interestingly enough, even before Array Grant notes the quake, it looks as if The Lake records just before 21:39 also. And, by 21:41 when the event is recorded at Array Grant, the Lake trace is BACK TO 'NORMAL'...well, as 'relatively quiet' considering as it had been for the day.

The West side of the park seems to have noted it sooner, also.

THE QUESTION IS: Where WAS the quake? Near Madison River, or, outside the Park.
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Next, I'll move onto the sites which DO have Quakes reported in the Park, and nearby.


There are the only 4 quakes that I could find, for now, yet, none are near the Lake:

The first two were recorded on the Maple Creek traces:

5/3/2014 09:03:39
44° 49' 12.00" 110° 59' 50.28"
Magnitude 0.67
depth 4.40 km


5/3/2014 01:48:21
44° 43' 54.12" 111° 5' 32.28"
Magnitude 0.65
Depth 7.23 km

[link to isthisthingon.org]

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The other two are from the USGS website:

N of West Yellowstone, Montana
2014-05-03 06:48:21 UTC
44.732°N 111.092°W
Magnitude 0.7
Depth 11.6 km
That's pinpointed on Ecology Lane, in Gallatin National Forest, just east of the tip of the Madison Arm.

NNE of West Yellowstone, Montana
2014-05-03 14:03:39 UTC
44.820°N 110.997°W
Magnitude 0.7
Depth 7.1 km
This looks like it's a bit further NNE, near Maple Creek.

[link to earthquake.usgs.gov]

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Then I looked for worldwide quakes that OCCURRED BEFORE 21:41 UTC, which might have been recorded in the Park, and found only one:

THIS ONE HAPPENED about 9 minutes before:
20km NE of Sea Ranch, California
2014-05-03 21:31:47 UTC
38.818°N 123.260°W
Magnitude 1.8
Depth 5.6 km

Nine minutes seems awfully long for a quake in California to reach the Park.

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Finally, I looked in Utah, and found tons of quakes just today, which have not been noted by the USGS, which tells me that WE don't have all the information we could have: [link to www.quake.utah.edu]



SO, I HAVE COME TO THE CONCLUSION that while you could be right, if you look at those trace slices, and with all that is going on up near Madison River, it really looks as if this was a result of the quake up there.

Had THE LAKE reverberated like Array Grant did, I would wonder if that quake was nearby...but it did not.

On another note NONE OF THIS DISCOUNTS just how FRAGILE the west side of the Lake may be, because it actually did shake a lot, once it felt that quake.

Or, perhaps you are right, and the event at Array was an event unto itself.

I really don't know. I'm just a chick in NYC who is interested enough to spend a whole lot of time looking at what I might find.

please don't be angry with me..I'm really quite nice

Direct URL for the above settings: [link to www.isthisthingon.org]

To get the URL like that: Input your settings and click "Generate Report", then you'll see a link under the Generate button saying "URL for this page". Click that and you get a neat direct URL with all settings set.

A tip in return for sharing that sweet comparison slice feature

Last Edited by AllThatCanBe on 05/06/2014 07:07 PM

Anyone know if the live webcam is down, I can't get anything on it.

OMG HAHA! Look what Wired just published:

"Yellowstone Caldera: More Magma, Less Eruptible": [link to www.wired.com]

Final words:

All is well-and-good at the world’s largest caldera system, so don’t buy into those “sky is falling” Chicken Little’s out there who like to get their kicks from every blip at Yellowstone.

The propagandized rhetoric is strong with this author. Pity about the typos in the article. Do they not have an editor?



The original research, on the other hand, looks great.

Nice model of the magma chamber: [link to www.wired.com]

[link to onlinelibrary.wiley.com]

Last Edited by AllThatCanBe on 05/06/2014 08:35 PM