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Holy hell almighty check out the Bundy ranch place....

 
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First they euthanized the tortoises. Then, they euthanized the cows. Who do you think they'll euthanize next?cow
 Quoting: G. Orwell

So about the turtles, story is they were domesticated turtles that were sick and needed to be euthanized in order not to infect the population in the wild. It was still a successful program which will result in 700 saves out of the current lot (not sure how many were saved previously) but Congress did not authorize funds and the fees to pay for the rehabilitation of these domesticated sick and injured turtles were not enough (thanks to this rancher in part) so they had to close the facility and the sick ones could not be realized into the wild because they were contagious or too weak with no sufficient chance of survival in the judgment of their caretakers. Would you rather they be released and cook to death in the hot sun or infect the healthy ones?

[link to www.huffingtonpost.com] ; [link to rt.com]

It seems like a lot that it costs $1 million a year to care for these turtles, but on the other hand they were sick or injured and required personal care, and there were a lot of them. Not saying something couldn't have been done better, I'm not close enough to the ground to see all the detail, but just to claim the government is for no reason euthanizing wild turtles is a total fallacy.

At least if you are going to make allegations against the government, look up the facts. There are plenty of real grievances not to get upset over made-up ones.

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First they euthanized the tortoises. Then, they euthanized the cows. Who do you think they'll euthanize next?cow
 Quoting: G. Orwell

So about the turtles, story is they were bred turtles that were sick and needed to be euthanized in order not to infect the population in the wild. It was still a successful program which will result in 700 saves out of the current lot (not sure how many were saved previously) but Congress did not authorize funds and the fees to pay for the rehabilitation of these domesticated sick and injured turtles were not enough (thanks to this rancher in part) so they had to close the facility and the sick ones could not be realized into the wild because they were contagious or too weak with no sufficient chance of survival in the judgment of their caretakers.

[link to www.huffingtonpost.com] ; [link to rt.com]

It seems like a lot that it costs $1 million a year to care for these turtles, but on the other hand they were sick or injured and required personal care, and there were a lot of them. Not saying something couldn't have been done better, I'm not close enough to the ground to see all the detail, but just to claim the government is for no reason euthanizing wild turtles is a total fallacy.

At least if you are going to make allegations against the government, look up the facts. There are plenty of real grievances not to get upset over made-up ones.
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This really has nothing to do with the F-in Turtle..
Wake up!!!
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First they euthanized the tortoises. Then, they euthanized the cows. Who do you think they'll euthanize next?cow
 Quoting: G. Orwell

So about the turtles, story is they were bred turtles that were sick and needed to be euthanized in order not to infect the population in the wild. It was still a successful program which will result in 700 saves out of the current lot (not sure how many were saved previously) but Congress did not authorize funds and the fees to pay for the rehabilitation of these domesticated sick and injured turtles were not enough (thanks to this rancher in part) so they had to close the facility and the sick ones could not be realized into the wild because they were contagious or too weak with no sufficient chance of survival in the judgment of their caretakers.

[link to www.huffingtonpost.com] ; [link to rt.com]

It seems like a lot that it costs $1 million a year to care for these turtles, but on the other hand they were sick or injured and required personal care, and there were a lot of them. Not saying something couldn't have been done better, I'm not close enough to the ground to see all the detail, but just to claim the government is for no reason euthanizing wild turtles is a total fallacy.

At least if you are going to make allegations against the government, look up the facts. There are plenty of real grievances not to get upset over made-up ones.
 Quoting: Sun_dancer


This really has nothing to do with the F-in Turtle..
Wake up!!!
 Quoting: 4thhorseman

I agree completely :) - it just this turtle thing is a big talking point and [EDIT: the euthanasia issue] has no part to do with the equation.

It does have some bearing though: this rancher dude was apparently pissed that some of the fees were being used to preserve the turtles (the government's claims was that his herd was destructive to turtles and the fees were meant to offset in part the costs of rectifying that) and for that reason he refused to pay his fees, but still exercised his inherited "rights" which were conditioned upon him paying the fees.

Yeah I want to use 340,000 acres of public land as I please for free too, where do I sign up?

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First they euthanized the tortoises. Then, they euthanized the cows. Who do you think they'll euthanize next?cow
 Quoting: G. Orwell

So about the turtles, story is they were bred turtles that were sick and needed to be euthanized in order not to infect the population in the wild. It was still a successful program which will result in 700 saves out of the current lot (not sure how many were saved previously) but Congress did not authorize funds and the fees to pay for the rehabilitation of these domesticated sick and injured turtles were not enough (thanks to this rancher in part) so they had to close the facility and the sick ones could not be realized into the wild because they were contagious or too weak with no sufficient chance of survival in the judgment of their caretakers.

[link to www.huffingtonpost.com] ; [link to rt.com]

It seems like a lot that it costs $1 million a year to care for these turtles, but on the other hand they were sick or injured and required personal care, and there were a lot of them. Not saying something couldn't have been done better, I'm not close enough to the ground to see all the detail, but just to claim the government is for no reason euthanizing wild turtles is a total fallacy.

At least if you are going to make allegations against the government, look up the facts. There are plenty of real grievances not to get upset over made-up ones.
 Quoting: Sun_dancer


This really has nothing to do with the F-in Turtle..
Wake up!!!
 Quoting: 4thhorseman

I agree completely :) - it just this turtle thing is a big talking point and it has no part to do with the equation.

It does have some bearing though: this rancher dude was apparently pissed that some of the fees were being used to preserve the turtles (the government's claims was that his herd was destructive to turtles and the fees were meant to offset in part the costs of rectifying that) and for that reason he refused to pay his fees, but still exercised his inherited "rights" which were conditioned upon him paying the fees.

Yeah I want to use 340,000 acres of public land as I please for free too, where do I sign up?
 Quoting: Sun_dancer


That like saying, I'm going to stab you, will you please pay for a knife for me to accomplish that/my goal.. thank you Dumbass..
would you do it SD?
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Re: Holy hell almighty check out the Bundy ranch place....
First they euthanized the tortoises. Then, they euthanized the cows. Who do you think they'll euthanize next?cow
 Quoting: G. Orwell

So about the turtles, story is they were bred turtles that were sick and needed to be euthanized in order not to infect the population in the wild. It was still a successful program which will result in 700 saves out of the current lot (not sure how many were saved previously) but Congress did not authorize funds and the fees to pay for the rehabilitation of these domesticated sick and injured turtles were not enough (thanks to this rancher in part) so they had to close the facility and the sick ones could not be realized into the wild because they were contagious or too weak with no sufficient chance of survival in the judgment of their caretakers.

[link to www.huffingtonpost.com] ; [link to rt.com]

It seems like a lot that it costs $1 million a year to care for these turtles, but on the other hand they were sick or injured and required personal care, and there were a lot of them. Not saying something couldn't have been done better, I'm not close enough to the ground to see all the detail, but just to claim the government is for no reason euthanizing wild turtles is a total fallacy.

At least if you are going to make allegations against the government, look up the facts. There are plenty of real grievances not to get upset over made-up ones.
 Quoting: Sun_dancer


This really has nothing to do with the F-in Turtle..
Wake up!!!
 Quoting: 4thhorseman

I agree completely :) - it just this turtle thing is a big talking point and [EDIT: the euthanasia issue] has no part to do with the equation.

It does have some bearing though: this rancher dude was apparently pissed that some of the fees were being used to preserve the turtles (the government's claims was that his herd was destructive to turtles and the fees were meant to offset in part the costs of rectifying that) and for that reason he refused to pay his fees, but still exercised his inherited "rights" which were conditioned upon him paying the fees.

Yeah I want to use 340,000 acres of public land as I please for free too, where do I sign up?
 Quoting: Sun_dancer



Here SD little reading..

Mike Combs By SHIREE BUNDY COX:

I have had people ask me to explain my dad's stance on this BLM fight. Here it is in as simple of terms as I can explain it. There is so much to it, but here it s in a nut shell. My great grandpa bought the rights to the Bunkerville allotment back in 1887 around there. Then he sold them to my grandpa who then turned them over to my dad in 1972. These men bought and paid for their rights to the range and also built waters, fences and roads to assure the servival of their cattle, all with their own money, not with tax dollars. These rights to the land use is called preemptive rights. Some where down the line, to keep the cows from over grazing, came the bureau of land management. They were supposed to assist the ranchers in the management of their ranges while the ranchers paid a yearly allotment which was to be use to pay the BLM wages and to help with repaires and improvements of the ranches. My dad did pay his grazing fees for years to the BLM until they were no longer using his fees to help him and to improve. Instead they began using these money's against the ranchers. They bought all the rest of the ranchers in the area out with they're own grazing fees. When they offered to buy my dad out for a penence he said no thanks and then fired them because they weren't doing their job. He quit paying the BLM but, tried giving his grazing fees to the county, which they turned down. So my dad just went on running his ranch and making his own improvements with his own equipment and his own money, not taxes. In essence the BLM was managing my dad out of business. Well when buying him out didn't work, they used the indangered species card. You've already heard about the desert tortis. Well that didn't work either, so then began the threats and the court orders, which my dad has proven to be unlawful for all these years. Now their desperate. It's come down to buying the brand inspector off and threatening the County Sheriff. Everything their doing at this point is illegal and totally against the constitution of the United States of America. Now you may be saying," how sad, but what does this have to do with me?" Well, I'll tell you. They will get rid of Cliven Bundy, the last man standing on the Bunkerville allotment and then they will close all the roads so no one can ever go on it again. Next, it's Utah's turn. Mark my words, Utah is next.
Then there's the issue of the cattle that are at this moment being stolen. See even if dad hasn't paid them, those cattle do belong to him. Regardless where they are they are my fathers property. His herd has been part of that range for over a hundred years, long before the BLM even exsisted. Now the Feds think they can just come in and remove them and sell them without a legal brand inspection or without my dad's signature on it. They think they can take them over two boarders, which is illegal, ask any trucker. Then they plan to take them to the Richfeild Aucion and sell them. All with our tax money. They have paid off the contract cowboys and the auction owner as well as the Nevada brand inspector with our tax dollars. See how slick they are?
Well, this is it in a nut shell. Thanks
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Re: Holy hell almighty check out the Bundy ranch place....
That like saying, I'm going to stab you, will you please pay for a knife for me to accomplish that/my goal.. thank you Dumbass..
would you do it SD?
 Quoting: 4thhorseman

You know I have learned in life that it is not worth having a conversation with someone who feels compelled to hurl insults for points of disagreement. Shill, idiot, dumbass, blah blah blah. If you read only a few words you would gather I am clearly not dumb.

You might consider that having a friendly conversation with people can be a learning experience rather than a pissing contest.

peace

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Re: Holy hell almighty check out the Bundy ranch place....
That like saying, I'm going to stab you, will you please pay for a knife for me to accomplish that/my goal.. thank you Dumbass..
would you do it SD?
 Quoting: 4thhorseman

You know I have learned in life that it is not worth having a conversation with someone who feels compelled to hurl insults for points of disagreement. Shill, idiot, dumbass, blah blah blah. If you read only a few words you would gather I am clearly not dumb.

You might consider that having a friendly conversation with people can be a learning experience rather than a pissing contest.

peace
 Quoting: Sun_dancer


That's how I talk to my friends.. sorry if I'm different then you.. don't hate because I'm different.. lol
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That like saying, I'm going to stab you, will you please pay for a knife for me to accomplish that/my goal.. thank you Dumbass..
would you do it SD?
 Quoting: 4thhorseman

You know I have learned in life that it is not worth having a conversation with someone who feels compelled to hurl insults for points of disagreement. Shill, idiot, dumbass, blah blah blah. If you read only a few words you would gather I am clearly not dumb.

You might consider that having a friendly conversation with people can be a learning experience rather than a pissing contest.

peace
 Quoting: Sun_dancer

By the way when you are writing people on the internet you should imagine the person is a stranger next to you on a bar stool and you are both having a beer, or wine, or coffee, what you prefer.

If the topic came up, and someone offered an argument, would you immediately get hostile and aggressive and call them a "dumbass"?

I know it is the internet but respect, courtesy, honor, these are all values that are still important. And mean something.

It is this government, and the people behind it, that want to turn us into mindless insult-tards. Don't let them do it. Honor. Integrity. Respect. A code. That, and ample opportunity for anyone willing to work hard, is what made this country great. That, is what is missing. And must be restored. One little step, at a time. Your lack of insults, on this forum or others, is in each case a step in the right direction.

peace
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First they euthanized the tortoises. Then, they euthanized the cows. Who do you think they'll euthanize next?cow
 Quoting: G. Orwell

So about the turtles, story is they were domesticated turtles that were sick and needed to be euthanized in order not to infect the population in the wild. It was still a successful program which will result in 700 saves out of the current lot (not sure how many were saved previously) but Congress did not authorize funds and the fees to pay for the rehabilitation of these domesticated sick and injured turtles were not enough (thanks to this rancher in part) so they had to close the facility and the sick ones could not be realized into the wild because they were contagious or too weak with no sufficient chance of survival in the judgment of their caretakers. Would you rather they be released and cook to death in the hot sun or infect the healthy ones?

[link to www.huffingtonpost.com] ; [link to rt.com]

It seems like a lot that it costs $1 million a year to care for these turtles, but on the other hand they were sick or injured and required personal care, and there were a lot of them. Not saying something couldn't have been done better, I'm not close enough to the ground to see all the detail, but just to claim the government is for no reason euthanizing wild turtles is a total fallacy.

At least if you are going to make allegations against the government, look up the facts. There are plenty of real grievances not to get upset over made-up ones.
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I love your sources, both known propaganda sites, as is the piece you wrote.
Try again.
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First they euthanized the tortoises. Then, they euthanized the cows. Who do you think they'll euthanize next?cow
 Quoting: G. Orwell

So about the turtles, story is they were domesticated turtles that were sick and needed to be euthanized in order not to infect the population in the wild. It was still a successful program which will result in 700 saves out of the current lot (not sure how many were saved previously) but Congress did not authorize funds and the fees to pay for the rehabilitation of these domesticated sick and injured turtles were not enough (thanks to this rancher in part) so they had to close the facility and the sick ones could not be realized into the wild because they were contagious or too weak with no sufficient chance of survival in the judgment of their caretakers. Would you rather they be released and cook to death in the hot sun or infect the healthy ones?

[link to www.huffingtonpost.com] ; [link to rt.com]

It seems like a lot that it costs $1 million a year to care for these turtles, but on the other hand they were sick or injured and required personal care, and there were a lot of them. Not saying something couldn't have been done better, I'm not close enough to the ground to see all the detail, but just to claim the government is for no reason euthanizing wild turtles is a total fallacy.

At least if you are going to make allegations against the government, look up the facts. There are plenty of real grievances not to get upset over made-up ones.
 Quoting: Sun_dancer

I love your sources, both known propaganda sites, as is the piece you wrote.
Try again.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 56488118

Well gee one of the stories was written a year ago when the program cuts were first hitting. Do you deny there are program cuts? What is the propaganda part? And how should I know which source you think is "not propaganda", since every single source is "propaganda" in my mind? This is the internet, google/bing/yahoo it yourself, let me know if you find something contradictory. :)
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Re: Holy hell almighty check out the Bundy ranch place....
That like saying, I'm going to stab you, will you please pay for a knife for me to accomplish that/my goal.. thank you Dumbass..
would you do it SD?
 Quoting: 4thhorseman

You know I have learned in life that it is not worth having a conversation with someone who feels compelled to hurl insults for points of disagreement. Shill, idiot, dumbass, blah blah blah. If you read only a few words you would gather I am clearly not dumb.

You might consider that having a friendly conversation with people can be a learning experience rather than a pissing contest.

peace
 Quoting: Sun_dancer

By the way when you are writing people on the internet you should imagine the person is a stranger next to you on a bar stool and you are both having a beer, or wine, or coffee, what you prefer.

If the topic came up, and someone offered an argument, would you immediately get hostile and aggressive and call them a "dumbass"?

I know it is the internet but respect, courtesy, honor, these are all values that are still important. And mean something.

It is this government, and the people behind it, that want to turn us into mindless insult-tards. Don't let them do it. Honor. Integrity. Respect. A code. That, and ample opportunity for anyone willing to work hard, is what made this country great. That, is what is missing. And must be restored. One little step, at a time. Your lack of insults, on this forum or others, is in each case a step in the right direction.

peace
 Quoting: Sun_dancer


what made this country great was Hard souled men that didn't quit.. If you can't handle a little reality and a dumbass here and there you might what to think about moving on.. real people use those terms in everyday use..
stop being a VaJayjay..
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That like saying, I'm going to stab you, will you please pay for a knife for me to accomplish that/my goal.. thank you Dumbass..
would you do it SD?
 Quoting: 4thhorseman

You know I have learned in life that it is not worth having a conversation with someone who feels compelled to hurl insults for points of disagreement. Shill, idiot, dumbass, blah blah blah. If you read only a few words you would gather I am clearly not dumb.

You might consider that having a friendly conversation with people can be a learning experience rather than a pissing contest.

peace
 Quoting: Sun_dancer

By the way when you are writing people on the internet you should imagine the person is a stranger next to you on a bar stool and you are both having a beer, or wine, or coffee, what you prefer.

If the topic came up, and someone offered an argument, would you immediately get hostile and aggressive and call them a "dumbass"?

I know it is the internet but respect, courtesy, honor, these are all values that are still important. And mean something.

It is this government, and the people behind it, that want to turn us into mindless insult-tards. Don't let them do it. Honor. Integrity. Respect. A code. That, and ample opportunity for anyone willing to work hard, is what made this country great. That, is what is missing. And must be restored. One little step, at a time. Your lack of insults, on this forum or others, is in each case a step in the right direction.

peace
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You were a real pain on this thread but it's power rages on , as stated before this was the peoples thread , there is a reason the elite call us eaters I'm sad to report
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By the way when you are writing people on the internet you should imagine the person is a stranger next to you on a bar stool and you are both having a beer, or wine, or coffee, what you prefer.

If the topic came up, and someone offered an argument, would you immediately get hostile and aggressive and call them a "dumbass"?

I know it is the internet but respect, courtesy, honor, these are all values that are still important. And mean something.

It is this government, and the people behind it, that want to turn us into mindless insult-tards. Don't let them do it. Honor. Integrity. Respect. A code. That, and ample opportunity for anyone willing to work hard, is what made this country great. That, is what is missing. And must be restored. One little step, at a time. Your lack of insults, on this forum or others, is in each case a step in the right direction.

peace
 Quoting: Sun_dancer


what made this country great was Hard souled men that didn't quit.. If you can't handle a little reality and a dumbass here and there you might what to think about moving on.. real people use those terms in everyday use..
stop being a VaJayjay..
 Quoting: 4thhorseman

Maybe people in your life call you a "dumbass" every day - but nobody calls me that in real life. I don't associate with disrespectful people, debate them, etc. If you do not respect what I have to say or write, there is no point in saying or writing it to you.

The destruction of our social fabric is pervasive, and the fix starts with you. You can complain about others all you want, but it does no good - change starts with yourself. Yes men used to be tough - but they also treated each other with respect. I never heard my grandfathers, father or uncles of the "old" generation calling strangers "dumbass" to their face. Did yours? Maybe with you it started with your father but I bet your grandparents had honor.

One day you will understand. Until then, take care.

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By the way when you are writing people on the internet you should imagine the person is a stranger next to you on a bar stool and you are both having a beer, or wine, or coffee, what you prefer.

If the topic came up, and someone offered an argument, would you immediately get hostile and aggressive and call them a "dumbass"?

I know it is the internet but respect, courtesy, honor, these are all values that are still important. And mean something.

It is this government, and the people behind it, that want to turn us into mindless insult-tards. Don't let them do it. Honor. Integrity. Respect. A code. That, and ample opportunity for anyone willing to work hard, is what made this country great. That, is what is missing. And must be restored. One little step, at a time. Your lack of insults, on this forum or others, is in each case a step in the right direction.

peace
 Quoting: Sun_dancer


what made this country great was Hard souled men that didn't quit.. If you can't handle a little reality and a dumbass here and there you might what to think about moving on.. real people use those terms in everyday use..
stop being a VaJayjay..
 Quoting: 4thhorseman

Maybe people in your life call you a "dumbass" every day - but nobody calls me that in real life. I don't associate with disrespectful people, debate them, etc. If you do not respect what I have to say or write, there is no point in saying or writing it to you.

The destruction of our social fabric is pervasive, and the fix starts with you. You can complain about others all you want, but it does no good - change starts with yourself. Yes men used to be tough - but they also treated each other with respect. I never heard my grandfathers, father or uncles of the "old" generation calling strangers "dumbass" to their face. Did yours? Maybe with you it started with your father but I bet your grandparents had honor.

One day you will understand. Until then, take care.
 Quoting: Sun_dancer


Because on the internet you take the roll as none gender.. your GFather and such wouldn't talk like that because you being a woman/girl where there.. understand.. this is gender neutrality. you are an it here.. No ones going to sugar coat shit for you.. if you can't handle it leave!!
Just incase, if you're not a female.. then you are a waste of a body..
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I read all over threads like this that the white man stole lands from the Indians. Am I to assume that there was fucking millions and millions of Indians? Is it possible there was land and tons of it that those engines did not own?

Its the white mans land for the same reason a pride of lions take land, because they can.

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I use to live here..I owned a house and land...I know it well...The rancher is a multi millionaire FLDS Mormon... You know the FLDS headed by Warren Jeffs ..You remember the FLDS Mormons right? They sell children into sexual slavery.. Do not believe me? Google FLDS Mormon Jeffs.. This rancher is not what you think..You are being played.. This FLDS rancher would rather shoot you than look at you when this is not going on...But he will use your ignorance as force against the Feds... Basically you have FLDS Cult Mormons VS BLM Fed Nazi Cops.. All involved are BAT SHIT CRAZY...
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I use to live here..I owned a house and land...I know it well...The rancher is a multi millionaire FLDS Mormon... You know the FLDS headed by Warren Jeffs ..You remember the FLDS Mormons right? They sell children into sexual slavery.. Do not believe me? Google FLDS Mormon Jeffs.. This rancher is not what you think..You are being played.. This FLDS rancher would rather shoot you than look at you when this is not going on...But he will use your ignorance as force against the Feds... Basically you have FLDS Cult Mormons VS BLM Fed Nazi Cops.. All involved are BAT SHIT CRAZY...
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Might be true might not.. Show proof to this Bundy Guy or STFU.. If a Rancher is getting taken over from Agenda 21, You shill need major proof for your accusations..
If you can not prove it then STFU and go back to your gov't job..
If you eliminate the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth.

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First they euthanized the tortoises. Then, they euthanized the cows. Who do you think they'll euthanize next?cow
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So about the turtles, story is they were domesticated turtles that were sick and needed to be euthanized in order not to infect the population in the wild. It was still a successful program which will result in 700 saves out of the current lot (not sure how many were saved previously) but Congress did not authorize funds and the fees to pay for the rehabilitation of these domesticated sick and injured turtles were not enough (thanks to this rancher in part) so they had to close the facility and the sick ones could not be realized into the wild because they were contagious or too weak with no sufficient chance of survival in the judgment of their caretakers. Would you rather they be released and cook to death in the hot sun or infect the healthy ones?

[link to www.huffingtonpost.com] ; [link to rt.com]

It seems like a lot that it costs $1 million a year to care for these turtles, but on the other hand they were sick or injured and required personal care, and there were a lot of them. Not saying something couldn't have been done better, I'm not close enough to the ground to see all the detail, but just to claim the government is for no reason euthanizing wild turtles is a total fallacy.

At least if you are going to make allegations against the government, look up the facts. There are plenty of real grievances not to get upset over made-up ones.
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I love your sources, both known propaganda sites, as is the piece you wrote.
Try again.
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Well gee one of the stories was written a year ago when the program cuts were first hitting. Do you deny there are program cuts? What is the propaganda part? And how should I know which source you think is "not propaganda", since every single source is "propaganda" in my mind? This is the internet, google/bing/yahoo it yourself, let me know if you find something contradictory. :)
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Actually there is lots of information. Like that AZ and California place turtles with individuals that care for them under their program. So there is no need to euthanize or release. There are other options!
That scientist say that returning captive turtles into the wild endangers the wild turtle populations in several different ways.
So much for caring about the wild turtles!
Then there is the fact that:
the Solar farms being built on BLM land leases and in turtle habitat, endangers them due to the heat generation of the solar panels.
But we know that the BLM would not endanger the turtles in Any way.
Like they EVER cared about the Turtles, it is a great excuse to suddenly do this after waiting 20+ years. During the time when the turtles WERE near extinction! Right now they are not.
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So about the turtles, story is they were domesticated turtles that were sick and needed to be euthanized in order not to infect the population in the wild. It was still a successful program which will result in 700 saves out of the current lot (not sure how many were saved previously) but Congress did not authorize funds and the fees to pay for the rehabilitation of these domesticated sick and injured turtles were not enough (thanks to this rancher in part) so they had to close the facility and the sick ones could not be realized into the wild because they were contagious or too weak with no sufficient chance of survival in the judgment of their caretakers. Would you rather they be released and cook to death in the hot sun or infect the healthy ones?

[link to www.huffingtonpost.com] ; [link to rt.com]

It seems like a lot that it costs $1 million a year to care for these turtles, but on the other hand they were sick or injured and required personal care, and there were a lot of them. Not saying something couldn't have been done better, I'm not close enough to the ground to see all the detail, but just to claim the government is for no reason euthanizing wild turtles is a total fallacy.

At least if you are going to make allegations against the government, look up the facts. There are plenty of real grievances not to get upset over made-up ones.
 Quoting: Sun_dancer

I love your sources, both known propaganda sites, as is the piece you wrote.
Try again.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 56488118

Well gee one of the stories was written a year ago when the program cuts were first hitting. Do you deny there are program cuts? What is the propaganda part? And how should I know which source you think is "not propaganda", since every single source is "propaganda" in my mind? This is the internet, google/bing/yahoo it yourself, let me know if you find something contradictory. :)
 Quoting: Sun_dancer

Actually there is lots of information. Like that AZ and California place turtles with individuals that care for them under their program. So there is no need to euthanize or release. There are other options!
That scientist say that returning captive turtles into the wild endangers the wild turtle populations in several different ways.
So much for caring about the wild turtles!
Then there is the fact that:
the Solar farms being built on BLM land leases and in turtle habitat, endangers them due to the heat generation of the solar panels.
But we know that the BLM would not endanger the turtles in Any way.
Like they EVER cared about the Turtles, it is a great excuse to suddenly do this after waiting 20+ years. During the time when the turtles WERE near extinction! Right now they are not.
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As far as the propaganda you are spreading:
"but Congress did not authorize funds and the fees to pay for the rehabilitation of these domesticated sick and injured turtles were not enough (thanks to this rancher in part) so they had to close the facility..."

VS the truth:
"The Bureau of Land Management has paid for the holding and research facility with fees imposed on developers who disturb tortoise habitat on public land." Not money from Congress and Not from Grazing Fees paid by Ranchers!!!!!

So The BLM sells known Tortoise Habitat to Developers, then charges them fees to keep the facility running. Oh they really care about these creatures, don't they! No it was all about the money then and now.
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I read all over threads like this that the white man stole lands from the Indians. Am I to assume that there was fucking millions and millions of Indians? Is it possible there was land and tons of it that those engines did not own?

Its the white mans land for the same reason a pride of lions take land, because they can.
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Were you born and raised in the US? What the HELL did those public schools teach you? If you are an example, we are all in trouble! I'll bet not one of us on this site EVER laid a destructive on any Native American!
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One thing I do know. Sundancer is an expert on everything in the whole wide world. Absolutely everything.

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The weekend range war...
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One thing I do know. Sundancer is an expert on everything in the whole wide world. Absolutely everything.
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I personally am glad sun dancer has left the building
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I use to live here..I owned a house and land...I know it well...The rancher is a multi millionaire FLDS Mormon... You know the FLDS headed by Warren Jeffs ..You remember the FLDS Mormons right? They sell children into sexual slavery.. Do not believe me? Google FLDS Mormon Jeffs.. This rancher is not what you think..You are being played.. This FLDS rancher would rather shoot you than look at you when this is not going on...But he will use your ignorance as force against the Feds... Basically you have FLDS Cult Mormons VS BLM Fed Nazi Cops.. All involved are BAT SHIT CRAZY...
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He might be , Mormons have tremendous money and power in the South West , doesn't change the fact he is under attack from a wicked Government that has lost it's way
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Thread: We have Bundy Ranch problem, but what about this gov intrusion onto property rights in Colorado?

It's going on everywhere , we are being pushed back
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I use to live here..I owned a house and land...I know it well...The rancher is a multi millionaire FLDS Mormon... You know the FLDS headed by Warren Jeffs ..You remember the FLDS Mormons right? They sell children into sexual slavery.. Do not believe me? Google FLDS Mormon Jeffs.. This rancher is not what you think..You are being played.. This FLDS rancher would rather shoot you than look at you when this is not going on...But he will use your ignorance as force against the Feds... Basically you have FLDS Cult Mormons VS BLM Fed Nazi Cops.. All involved are BAT SHIT CRAZY...
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He might be , Mormons have tremendous money and power in the South West , doesn't change the fact he is under attack from a wicked Government that has lost it's way
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Ah, switching it up to religion now hey shill 56667773?
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Do you all see why these threads are a problem now?
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Please explain.
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You are one of the dumbest mother fuckers on this thread.
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I use to live here..I owned a house and land...I know it well...The rancher is a multi millionaire FLDS Mormon... You know the FLDS headed by Warren Jeffs ..You remember the FLDS Mormons right? They sell children into sexual slavery.. Do not believe me? Google FLDS Mormon Jeffs.. This rancher is not what you think..You are being played.. This FLDS rancher would rather shoot you than look at you when this is not going on...But he will use your ignorance as force against the Feds... Basically you have FLDS Cult Mormons VS BLM Fed Nazi Cops.. All involved are BAT SHIT CRAZY...
 Quoting: White Salamander 56667773


He might be , Mormons have tremendous money and power in the South West , doesn't change the fact he is under attack from a wicked Government that has lost it's way
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Ah, switching it up to religion now hey shill 56667773?
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There have been several,attempts to derail this thread , they all have failed

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