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Holy hell almighty check out the Bundy ranch place....

 
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Bundy Ranch
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We are experiencing slow internet and bad cell service, we do not believe the government is shutting us down via cellular towers etc, Once again no proof that they are or aren't, lots of Rumors saying they are. But we have no evidence, could be other issues as we have lots of people being here. They might be tapping in etc, We don't know. Still trying to get our hands on a Satellite phone for worse case scenario! Thank you for your support, Stay posted for updates
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This has turned into a mind twist for sure , my guts telling me this is a giant game , with out credible resources on site there is no way to be sure other than to wait and see

I see smoke and mirrors
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There is a link on the Bundys blog to get twitter updates
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I received this from a friend earlier today:

Re: Bundy


Hello Fellow Patriots,

The US Code is not law. It is Code. Code and Statues and the like have a few parameters before they have authority
.

Any Code or Statute whether it be municipal or USC, that is not compliant to the US Constitution, is null and void. It must be in tune with the Constitution.

Now this next FACT is difficult to swallow for the layman. Codes and Statutes pertain to the Public Servants ALWAYS, NOT to the Sovereign Man and Woman on the land who DO NOT GIVE JURISDICTION, WHO DO NOT CONSENT and OBJECT to the offer of contract / presentment. You can be a US Citizen, but proclaim only when you agree to the subject matter at hand. You and I are not US Citizens of the Defacto government.

De facto = Code = Color of Law = Not Law.

We are the De jure. In the contractual relationship, you have the right to require your terms and conditions to be met. If they are not, the contract is VOID.
If in the course of this Status and Standing discovery YOU are INJURED, the Public Servants ARE ALWAYS LIABLE FOR THE DAMAGES PERIOD.

The Administration will PRESUME you do not OBJECT to these points so that they can INJURE you by holding your body as surety and or stealing your property to line their own retirement funds.



BLM, is actually classified as an: "Agent of Foreign Principle", under the
intergovernmental Personnel Act.


THEY ARE NOT US GOVERNMENT THEY ARE FORIGN AGENTS IN DISGUISE, THEY LACK AUTHORITY, JURISDICTION, CONSENT and they are causing Millions in damages not only the Rancher Bundy, But to every man woman and child of the US. For if this Foreign Banker Controlled Gestapo is allowed to steal the lively hood of this man, they won't stop till everyone is is either dead or in debtors prison. THAT'S HOW YOU ARE BEING INJURED.


42 U.S. Code Chapter 62 - INTERGOVERNMENTAL PERSONNEL PROGRAM

[link to www.law.cornell.edu]



The BLM is under the
Intergovernmental Personnel Program

42 U.S. Code § 4702 - Administration of authorities


The authorities provided by this chapter shall be administered in such manner as
(1) to recognize fully the rights, powers, and responsibilities of State and local governments, and
(2) to encourage innovation and allow for diversity on the part of State and local governments in the design, execution, and management of their own systems of personnel administration.



Operating Outside of Their Scope
42 U.S. Code § 4721 - Declaration of purpose
The purpose of this subchapter is to assist State and local governments to strengthen their staffs by improving their personnel administration.


Notice Land Grabbing,Theft and Terrorism is not in their Job description.
MissPurrrrrfect
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Not my intention to distract from the thread and I don't want to argue, but just have to share "the other side" of the dogs.

That weapon goes to schools, demonstrations, and will kiss the hand that pets it once he knows his handler approves, and unless he's told to do differently. Like I said, we all have an opinion, and you're entitled to yours.

They really are cops though. Here's a Wikki:
In many jurisdictions, the intentional injuring or killing of a police dog is a felony,[2] subjecting the perpetrator to harsher penalties than those in the statutes embodied in local animal cruelty laws,[3] just as an assault on a human police officer is often a more serious offense than a similar assault on a civilian.
[link to en.wikipedia.org]
 Quoting: Nine's


My side arm can be handled by a thousand people.. but, if I pull the trigger it kills.. Dumb ass.. If the dog is running at you, do you think its coming for a cookie, no the Handler pulled the trigger.. it will attack and not stop until it is stopped by the handler or you die.. then that's not a 100% guaranty it will stop then.. You my ignorant fool have drunk the coolaid on that one..
 Quoting: 4thhorseman


in essence you both are right. K-9s can be kind and loving dogs, they make frequent trips to schools so the kids can see and pet them. But they are trained for a purpose and that purpose causes injury and pain.

A K-9 cannot reason. this was my whole point. it cannot distinguish between being used for intimidation or a life/death situation. it cannot think to itself and say "ok, i should only bark and not bite because my handler is trying to scare these people." instead, it does what it was trained to do every time in that situation. Officers who have K-9s have to be the right person for that position. personally, that handler should be removed from having a K-9 (and more).

i should also say, if i was in a situation where a K-9 officer brought his K-9 close enough to lunge and go after me (assuming that i believed i was doing nothing wrong/illegal) i would defend myself (if kicking was my option, then i would kick). Regardless if i felt i was in the right, i would also expect to be getting that free ride. in fact i would hope so. i would want to make that handler be accountable. i would not want that handler to get away with it. i would want him to articulate why they deviated from SOP. Whether you agree with that or not makes no difference to me. that is what i would do.

I think most agree dogs can be loving member of families, but they can also be a an aggressive tool. While the care and treatment of K-9s (by the public AND handlers) is important, lets not lose sight on the real issue here. What is at stake here is much bigger and deserves our attention and discussion. There will be many sideshows attached to this, some intentionally. Hopefully no one gets distracted by them and if they do, they are not distracted for long.
 Quoting: TeamReaper


but you all miss the point.

a cop can shoot to stop a felony in progress.

now it is a felony to attack a k-9.

can a cop, therefore, shoot to stop an attack on a k-9, which is a felony?

you can bet they are going to use that excuse.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 56700569


You have no clue what you are talking about. None, not even a little bit. There is no cookie cutter answer to when a cop can fire his/her weapon. To even suggest that if it is a felony an officer can blast away is foolish. If you paid for school, get your money back! An officer cannot fire unless there is an immediate threat of loss of life.

What is legal for one officer to use their firearm may be completely illegal for another. For example, officer is arresting a 6'2" 275lbs male and the male resists. Officer is 6'2" 235lbs male. The officer cannot just blast him for resisting. He would have to be able to articulate why he believed his life was endangered.

Now same scenario, except the officer is a 5'2" 125lbs female. She very well may be able to articulate that she believed her life was in danger. See the difference, what is legal for one may be illegal for another.

There isn't a list that can be checked off for an officer to use their weapon. Whether you like it or not doesn't change that fact.
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Re: Holy hell almighty check out the Bundy ranch place....
I received this from a friend earlier today:

Re: Bundy


Hello Fellow Patriots,

The US Code is not law. It is Code. Code and Statues and the like have a few parameters before they have authority
.

Any Code or Statute whether it be municipal or USC, that is not compliant to the US Constitution, is null and void. It must be in tune with the Constitution.

Now this next FACT is difficult to swallow for the layman. Codes and Statutes pertain to the Public Servants ALWAYS, NOT to the Sovereign Man and Woman on the land who DO NOT GIVE JURISDICTION, WHO DO NOT CONSENT and OBJECT to the offer of contract / presentment. You can be a US Citizen, but proclaim only when you agree to the subject matter at hand. You and I are not US Citizens of the Defacto government.

De facto = Code = Color of Law = Not Law.

We are the De jure. In the contractual relationship, you have the right to require your terms and conditions to be met. If they are not, the contract is VOID.
If in the course of this Status and Standing discovery YOU are INJURED, the Public Servants ARE ALWAYS LIABLE FOR THE DAMAGES PERIOD.

The Administration will PRESUME you do not OBJECT to these points so that they can INJURE you by holding your body as surety and or stealing your property to line their own retirement funds.



BLM, is actually classified as an: "Agent of Foreign Principle", under the
intergovernmental Personnel Act.


THEY ARE NOT US GOVERNMENT THEY ARE FORIGN AGENTS IN DISGUISE, THEY LACK AUTHORITY, JURISDICTION, CONSENT and they are causing Millions in damages not only the Rancher Bundy, But to every man woman and child of the US. For if this Foreign Banker Controlled Gestapo is allowed to steal the lively hood of this man, they won't stop till everyone is is either dead or in debtors prison. THAT'S HOW YOU ARE BEING INJURED.


42 U.S. Code Chapter 62 - INTERGOVERNMENTAL PERSONNEL PROGRAM

[link to www.law.cornell.edu]



The BLM is under the
Intergovernmental Personnel Program

42 U.S. Code § 4702 - Administration of authorities


The authorities provided by this chapter shall be administered in such manner as
(1) to recognize fully the rights, powers, and responsibilities of State and local governments, and
(2) to encourage innovation and allow for diversity on the part of State and local governments in the design, execution, and management of their own systems of personnel administration.



Operating Outside of Their Scope
42 U.S. Code § 4721 - Declaration of purpose
The purpose of this subchapter is to assist State and local governments to strengthen their staffs by improving their personnel administration.


Notice Land Grabbing,Theft and Terrorism is not in their Job description.
 Quoting: MissPurrrrrfect


Yes!..and check this out-
DEMINT: White House land grab
[link to www.washingtontimes.com]
[link to cofarmbureaublog.wordpress.com]
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This from another thread

[link to grist.org]

Here is what sounds more like the Bundy thing and is a part of this post:

Kornze played a key role in developing the Western Solar Plan, which established 17 low-conflict zones for commercial solar energy development and also identified lands appropriate for conservation, and the agency’s approval of 47 solar, wind and geothermal utility-scale projects on public lands, as a leader of the Department’s Renewable Energy Strike Team. When built, these projects [will] add up to more than 13,300 megawatts — enough electricity to power 4.6 million homes and support 19,000 construction and operations jobs. He also has been a leader in reforming BLM’s oil and gas program, including the upcoming launch of a nation-wide online permitting system that could significantly reduce drilling permit processing times, and in the bureau’s efforts to enhance and increase visitors to the diverse system of national conservation lands.
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Airspace is closed!

[link to tfr.faa.gov]
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I use to live here..I owned a house and land...I know it well...The rancher is a multi millionaire FLDS Mormon... You know the FLDS headed by Warren Jeffs ..You remember the FLDS Mormons right? They sell children into sexual slavery.. Do not believe me? Google FLDS Mormon Jeffs.. This rancher is not what you think..You are being played.. This FLDS rancher would rather shoot you than look at you when this is not going on...But he will use your ignorance as force against the Feds... Basically you have FLDS Cult Mormons VS BLM Fed Nazi Cops.. All involved are BAT SHIT CRAZY...
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I tend to agree with this.
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Airspace is closed!

[link to tfr.faa.gov]
 Quoting: Bridge of Sighs


That ain't good.
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Government of the people FOR the people???? It WAS a great idea!!
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Re: Holy hell almighty check out the Bundy ranch place....
I received this from a friend earlier today:

Re: Bundy


Hello Fellow Patriots,

The US Code is not law. It is Code. Code and Statues and the like have a few parameters before they have authority
.

Any Code or Statute whether it be municipal or USC, that is not compliant to the US Constitution, is null and void. It must be in tune with the Constitution.

Now this next FACT is difficult to swallow for the layman. Codes and Statutes pertain to the Public Servants ALWAYS, NOT to the Sovereign Man and Woman on the land who DO NOT GIVE JURISDICTION, WHO DO NOT CONSENT and OBJECT to the offer of contract / presentment. You can be a US Citizen, but proclaim only when you agree to the subject matter at hand. You and I are not US Citizens of the Defacto government.

De facto = Code = Color of Law = Not Law.

We are the De jure. In the contractual relationship, you have the right to require your terms and conditions to be met. If they are not, the contract is VOID.
If in the course of this Status and Standing discovery YOU are INJURED, the Public Servants ARE ALWAYS LIABLE FOR THE DAMAGES PERIOD.

The Administration will PRESUME you do not OBJECT to these points so that they can INJURE you by holding your body as surety and or stealing your property to line their own retirement funds.



BLM, is actually classified as an: "Agent of Foreign Principle", under the
intergovernmental Personnel Act.


THEY ARE NOT US GOVERNMENT THEY ARE FORIGN AGENTS IN DISGUISE, THEY LACK AUTHORITY, JURISDICTION, CONSENT and they are causing Millions in damages not only the Rancher Bundy, But to every man woman and child of the US. For if this Foreign Banker Controlled Gestapo is allowed to steal the lively hood of this man, they won't stop till everyone is is either dead or in debtors prison. THAT'S HOW YOU ARE BEING INJURED.


42 U.S. Code Chapter 62 - INTERGOVERNMENTAL PERSONNEL PROGRAM

[link to www.law.cornell.edu]



The BLM is under the
Intergovernmental Personnel Program

42 U.S. Code § 4702 - Administration of authorities


The authorities provided by this chapter shall be administered in such manner as
(1) to recognize fully the rights, powers, and responsibilities of State and local governments, and
(2) to encourage innovation and allow for diversity on the part of State and local governments in the design, execution, and management of their own systems of personnel administration.



Operating Outside of Their Scope
42 U.S. Code § 4721 - Declaration of purpose
The purpose of this subchapter is to assist State and local governments to strengthen their staffs by improving their personnel administration.


Notice Land Grabbing,Theft and Terrorism is not in their Job description.
 Quoting: MissPurrrrrfect


Yes!..and check this out-
DEMINT: White House land grab
[link to www.washingtontimes.com]
[link to cofarmbureaublog.wordpress.com]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1569426


If the first part of this is correct how in the Hell can they get away with the crap in the posts where Obama and the White House are grabbing land. This is no small portion either. If he stays in this position (political position) there will be no United States in a very short while.
MissPurrrrrfect
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I received this from a friend earlier today:

Re: Bundy


Hello Fellow Patriots,

The US Code is not law. It is Code. Code and Statues and the like have a few parameters before they have authority
.

Any Code or Statute whether it be municipal or USC, that is not compliant to the US Constitution, is null and void. It must be in tune with the Constitution.

Now this next FACT is difficult to swallow for the layman. Codes and Statutes pertain to the Public Servants ALWAYS, NOT to the Sovereign Man and Woman on the land who DO NOT GIVE JURISDICTION, WHO DO NOT CONSENT and OBJECT to the offer of contract / presentment. You can be a US Citizen, but proclaim only when you agree to the subject matter at hand. You and I are not US Citizens of the Defacto government.

De facto = Code = Color of Law = Not Law.

We are the De jure. In the contractual relationship, you have the right to require your terms and conditions to be met. If they are not, the contract is VOID.
If in the course of this Status and Standing discovery YOU are INJURED, the Public Servants ARE ALWAYS LIABLE FOR THE DAMAGES PERIOD.

The Administration will PRESUME you do not OBJECT to these points so that they can INJURE you by holding your body as surety and or stealing your property to line their own retirement funds.



BLM, is actually classified as an: "Agent of Foreign Principle", under the
intergovernmental Personnel Act.


THEY ARE NOT US GOVERNMENT THEY ARE FORIGN AGENTS IN DISGUISE, THEY LACK AUTHORITY, JURISDICTION, CONSENT and they are causing Millions in damages not only the Rancher Bundy, But to every man woman and child of the US. For if this Foreign Banker Controlled Gestapo is allowed to steal the lively hood of this man, they won't stop till everyone is is either dead or in debtors prison. THAT'S HOW YOU ARE BEING INJURED.


42 U.S. Code Chapter 62 - INTERGOVERNMENTAL PERSONNEL PROGRAM

[link to www.law.cornell.edu]



The BLM is under the
Intergovernmental Personnel Program

42 U.S. Code § 4702 - Administration of authorities


The authorities provided by this chapter shall be administered in such manner as
(1) to recognize fully the rights, powers, and responsibilities of State and local governments, and
(2) to encourage innovation and allow for diversity on the part of State and local governments in the design, execution, and management of their own systems of personnel administration.



Operating Outside of Their Scope
42 U.S. Code § 4721 - Declaration of purpose
The purpose of this subchapter is to assist State and local governments to strengthen their staffs by improving their personnel administration.


Notice Land Grabbing,Theft and Terrorism is not in their Job description.
 Quoting: MissPurrrrrfect


Yes!..and check this out-
DEMINT: White House land grab
[link to www.washingtontimes.com]
[link to cofarmbureaublog.wordpress.com]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1569426


If the first part of this is correct how in the Hell can they get away with the crap in the posts where Obama and the White House are grabbing land. This is no small portion either. If he stays in this position (political position) there will be no United States in a very short while.
 Quoting: MissPurrrrrfect

By keeping private citizens with small pockets tied up in the courts for decades, if they don't cave in to other political pressures. The proof is in the pudding, there were 54 private ranchers in that area before the BLM started "managing" their land. The BLM with the help of their Democrat overlords, have systematically destroyed every private farm out there.

Ever wonder why beef prices keep going up? Ever wonder why we get more and more beef from China? +20 years later after the BLM has gotten involved, they have bullied and harrassed all the farmers so that only the Bundy family is left, and they are trying their best to destroy them too.

Bottom line here, after +20 years the BLM has yet to be able to make a legal case backed by the Constitution. No U.S. law broken no charges filed. Just you owe the BLM fines, so we are going to kill and steal your cattle. As a matter of fact, it appears the BLM was created to circumvent those very same Constitutional protections!
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I received this from a friend earlier today:

Re: Bundy


Hello Fellow Patriots,

The US Code is not law. It is Code. Code and Statues and the like have a few parameters before they have authority
.

Any Code or Statute whether it be municipal or USC, that is not compliant to the US Constitution, is null and void. It must be in tune with the Constitution.

Now this next FACT is difficult to swallow for the layman. Codes and Statutes pertain to the Public Servants ALWAYS, NOT to the Sovereign Man and Woman on the land who DO NOT GIVE JURISDICTION, WHO DO NOT CONSENT and OBJECT to the offer of contract / presentment. You can be a US Citizen, but proclaim only when you agree to the subject matter at hand. You and I are not US Citizens of the Defacto government.

De facto = Code = Color of Law = Not Law.

We are the De jure. In the contractual relationship, you have the right to require your terms and conditions to be met. If they are not, the contract is VOID.
If in the course of this Status and Standing discovery YOU are INJURED, the Public Servants ARE ALWAYS LIABLE FOR THE DAMAGES PERIOD.

The Administration will PRESUME you do not OBJECT to these points so that they can INJURE you by holding your body as surety and or stealing your property to line their own retirement funds.



BLM, is actually classified as an: "Agent of Foreign Principle", under the
intergovernmental Personnel Act.


THEY ARE NOT US GOVERNMENT THEY ARE FORIGN AGENTS IN DISGUISE, THEY LACK AUTHORITY, JURISDICTION, CONSENT and they are causing Millions in damages not only the Rancher Bundy, But to every man woman and child of the US. For if this Foreign Banker Controlled Gestapo is allowed to steal the lively hood of this man, they won't stop till everyone is is either dead or in debtors prison. THAT'S HOW YOU ARE BEING INJURED.


42 U.S. Code Chapter 62 - INTERGOVERNMENTAL PERSONNEL PROGRAM

[link to www.law.cornell.edu]



The BLM is under the
Intergovernmental Personnel Program

42 U.S. Code § 4702 - Administration of authorities


The authorities provided by this chapter shall be administered in such manner as
(1) to recognize fully the rights, powers, and responsibilities of State and local governments, and
(2) to encourage innovation and allow for diversity on the part of State and local governments in the design, execution, and management of their own systems of personnel administration.



Operating Outside of Their Scope
42 U.S. Code § 4721 - Declaration of purpose
The purpose of this subchapter is to assist State and local governments to strengthen their staffs by improving their personnel administration.


Notice Land Grabbing,Theft and Terrorism is not in their Job description.
 Quoting: MissPurrrrrfect


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East coast folks like me may not understand the way land rights work out west. Here in the east they tend to come in a bundle. I own the lot my house is on, and all the mineral rights below it and air rights quite far above it. I have a water well and I did not need any additional rights to drill it and draw water from hundreds of feed under the land.

Out west the rights are more often separate. Having the right to cross the land and build on it is separate from mineral rights, those are different from water rights especially riparian rights (rights to rivers crossing the property), air rights are separate too.

Bundy says he owns the grazing rights on that land for which BLM owns other rights. If that's true, BLM can't just take away his grazing rights. He owns them just as much as anyone can own property.
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