Holy hell almighty check out the Bundy ranch place....

No, are you?

obviously he doesnt have the rights if he hasnt been able to support it in court. if he did, there wouldnt be an issue here..

you calling me a shill just shows you are deluded and have no real point. its basically you saying you have lost the argument.

Exactly the Federal control of everyone .

you would be surprised how rich these guys are. dont fool yourself, they are the elite. not only does he have more money but he also has more resources.

not to mention it sounds as if he is one of those crazy mormon cult-type leaders...

its funny that you all cant accept that the elite are more than just bankers...

Are they related to Al Bundy ?

Seriously? How much money do you think someone makes off of only 1000 cows?

"So what if he's a millionaire? He earned it."

lol

So his ill-gotten gain is ok because he wears a cowboy hat?

He's a robin hood with chaps?

He's a crooked con man cowboy and you suckers will buy anything.

Speaking of which, will you be needing any sun tan lotion when you head to Nevada?

A turtle camera, perhaps?

ok, you have proven yourself to be thoughtless. enjoy your arm-chair rebellion. im sure i will read more of your bullshit next week when you have forgotten about this and moved onto your next fantasy crusade.

He actually does have the legal right to use the land. IT IS NOT GOV ( BLM) owned, never was...the BLM was brought in to help users, farmers, ranchers, whoever bought and paid for the use MAINTAIN and MANAGE the land. thats it.

OWNED...By SHIREE BUNDY COX:

I have had people ask me to explain my dad's stance on this BLM fight. Here it is in as simple of terms as I can explain it. There is so much to it, but here it s in a nut shell. My great grandpa bought the rights to the Bunkerville allotment back in 1887 around there. Then he sold them to my grandpa who then turned them over to my dad in 1972. These men bought and paid for their rights to the range and also built waters, fences and roads to assure the servival of their cattle, all with their own money, not with tax dollars. These rights to the land use is called preemptive rights. Some where down the line, to keep the cows from over grazing, came the bureau of land management. They were supposed to assist the ranchers in the management of their ranges while the ranchers paid a yearly allotment which was to be use to pay the BLM wages and to help with repaires and improvements of the ranches. My dad did pay his grazing fees for years to the BLM until they were no longer using his fees to help him and to improve. Instead they began using these money's against the ranchers. They bought all the rest of the ranchers in the area out with they're own grazing fees. When they offered to buy my dad out for a penence he said no thanks and then fired them because they weren't doing their job. He quit paying the BLM but, tried giving his grazing fees to the county, which they turned down. So my dad just went on running his ranch and making his own improvements with his own equipment and his own money, not taxes. In essence the BLM was managing my dad out of business. Well when buying him out didn't work, they used the indangered species card. You've already heard about the desert tortis. Well that didn't work either, so then began the threats and the court orders, which my dad has proven to be unlawful for all these years. Now their desperate. It's come down to buying the brand inspector off and threatening the County Sheriff. Everything their doing at this point is illegal and totally against the constitution of the United States of America. Now you may be saying," how sad, but what does this have to do with me?" Well, I'll tell you. They will get rid of Cliven Bundy, the last man standing on the Bunkerville allotment and then they will close all the roads so no one can ever go on it again. Next, it's Utah's turn. Mark my words, Utah is next.
Then there's the issue of the cattle that are at this moment being stolen. See even if dad hasn't paid them, those cattle do belong to him. Regardless where they are they are my fathers property. His herd has been part of that range for over a hundred years, long before the BLM even exsisted. Now the Feds think they can just come in and remove them and sell them without a legal brand inspection or without my dad's signature on it. They think they can take them over two boarders, which is illegal, ask any trucker. Then they plan to take them to the Richfeild Aucion and sell them. All with our tax money. They have paid off the contract cowboys and the auction owner as well as the Nevada brand inspector with our tax dollars. See how slick they are?
Well, this is it in a nut shell. Thanks

i dont know that he only has 1000 cows. i also dont know what other income he has. i was going off of the information posted in this thread. that is why i started off my original statement regarding his income with "if this is true"...

"I'm about to go find a new country...the US is fucked!!"

lol

Don't go!

The kibbutz will take care of itself.

The turtles need you.

Mutant Ninja Turtles vs Magnificent Seven at OK Corral.

"..enjoy your arm-chair rebellion. im sure i will read more of your bullshit next week when you have forgotten about this and moved onto your next fantasy crusade."

lol

That King Joffrey of House Baratheon better watch his back.

AC is going blond boy hunting next week.

Souie!

staring gary busey
with a cameo by paulie shore

"stop weezing the juice BLM!"

What do you suppose the government will do with the land once it's seized? What do you suppose happens to the money when the FCC or SEC or DOJ fines some corporation a token billion dollar fine based on their trillion dollar ill gotten profits?

Do you honestly think all of this government interest is over a rare species? Was it ever? Or was it always just a pretense to seize land in the name of the Fed? Federal should NEVER be allowed to seize member state land. Ever. Fuck national parks, they should all be state parks.

"Mutant Ninja Turtles vs Magnificent Seven at OK Corral."

lol

With the Clash blaring from cacti speakers.

I love all these trolls who call Cliven a criminal. Everyone reading these troll comments should watch his videos where he clearly says that the 1993 BLM grazing deal change was a raw deal and would put him in the red. In many states that kind of contract is illegal. He did the math, said hell no. The other farmers didn't and aren't in business any more. Who is the criminal? The BLM.

Way to stand up against tyranny!

We need more people to stand their ground against this type of thuggery!
WHere is the Governor? Does he not have any morals? Values? Decency??
Fire all of those people in office, if they cannot stand up against the FEDS, and for the people!

F'in Fat assed Federal goons!

THEY ARE GETTING HELP!

Why are you the only other member that can see reason?

Well, corn dog and the good mocking bird have it figured out too.

i am for states rights. i am for small federal government. however, that is the state's land then, not bundys. if he had a legitimate claim or the state did, then why arent they pursuing the proper measures? why call for violence?

"Hence to fight and conquer in all your battles is not supreme excellence; supreme excellence consists in breaking the enemy's resistance without fighting."

"What the ancients called a clever fighter is one who not only wins, but excels in winning with ease."

"He who knows when he can fight and when he cannot will be victorious."

"Thus it is that in war the victorious strategist only seeks battle after the victory has been won, whereas he who is destined to defeat first fights and afterwards looks for victory."

Thank you so much for your efforts to provide links. It's appreciated. I don't go to .gov links, but tried to track down the fracking connection. The main one appears to be Natural News. They've spread a lot of disinfo, and seem to be continuing. The statements I'll refer to are quoted below with link provided.

They claim it's a "save the tortoise" operation, which is denied in the court case link I posted earlier, and not rebutted by Mr. Bundy.

I've read they brought "hundreds of heavily armed men" but have seen no pictures or evidence of it. With the threats he's been making, it is believeable since the agents would want to defend themselves, but I've seen no evidence.

They also posted the you tube where a man kicked a dog, saying how the protester were harassed, which is a whole different issue.

Regarding the statement Natural News made about BLM running "land theft operations", I don't see how it's possible to steal what you already own.


Natural News reference:
"The way this works, of course, is that BLM runs land theft operations by claiming they are "managing" the land and thereby kicking everyone else off it."

"That is why they brought hundreds of heavily armed men to a "save the tortoise" operation."
[link to www.naturalnews.com]

As far as fracking, I hate it and wish it weren't allowed anywhere. I hope it's just Natural News spreading their current agenda. If it is true, I hate it as much as anyone who opposes it, but it's their land.

Thank you again for your research.

The Bundy family has run cattle on the scrubland since the 1870′s, but in 1993, the government decided it “owned” the land and would start charging Bundy rent fees for his cows grazing on it. The Bundy family refused to pay the fees, so BLM went to court over the payments, and when that didn’t pan out the way they wanted, they decided to unleash an army of heavily armed, militarized “soldiers” to lay siege to the ranch and steal Bundy’s cattle.

Wait...this whole thing is about some stupid turtle???

Please tell me your joking, right??

I'm afraid you'll have to get all the way to the UN to see results.

They (the United Nations) are in the process of erasing all rights and replacing them with privileges. They view this as progress.

You are correct, he doesn't have the rights to support in court…...
NONE OF US HAVE RIGHTS!
THAT IS THE POINT!

His rights were stripped away the day the BLM changed the law and superseded his rights down the drain, all without his consent.

Same way they changed the law to say you cannot capture rain water off your roof. Or if you build a new warehouse, you have to put in a $100,000 water filtration unit to CLEAN THE RAIN WATER CLEANER THAN IT WAS WHEN IT HIT THE ROOF. Or if you warehouse is built 1Sq Ft Bigger, you need 2 Filtration systems! Or your house is the wrong color, or you can't plant that kind of tree, or your stairs are now out of code and need to be brought up to code before you can sell or re-finance your house. I can go on and on about the rights we no longer have, because some bastards think that they control everyone. All apart of agenda 21.

NO ONE HAS ANY RIGHTS IN AMERIKA ANYMORE!

SO it is YOU who are delusional and blind if you think his rights are not valid, or this is the only issue.

I watched Married with Children. The Bundy's didn't have a ranch.

That is correct…… Agenda 21

Its not the first time they tried it, this rancher died before it was settled - in his favor.


Two federal land managers found guilty of contempt
Not many people noticed, but a landmark case against overzealous federal regulations was overturned on July 26 by a three-judge panel of the Federal Circuit Court of Appeals in Washington, D.C.

The case involved Wayne Hage, the Nevada rancher who became fed up with federal land managers and their increasing restrictions on cattle grazing and water use. He took the fight to them and sued them when they impounded some of his cattle following his refusal to pay fines for alleged grazing violations back in 1991. Years of court battles ensued. Wayne Hage died in 2006; his wife Jean preceded him in 1996.

In 2008, US Claims Court Judge Loren Smith ruled the federal government violated Hage’s rights and awarded $4.4 million to Hage’s surviving family members.

Do you have any clue to what extent our government has overstepped its authority???
Do you know that our constitution says the gov cannot 'own' land that is not for their offices, forts, bases...etc????