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BUNDY RANCH, Land grab may not be just for OIL/ SHALE, but ALLODIAL TITLE elimination!!!

 
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I'm stretching this on a limb but if you look closely at the law, ALLODIAL TITLE in NEVADA is due for termination since in NEVADA it is one of the last states to have this RARE legal reserve for property rights in the UNITED STATES. Please scroll down in the links to learn about NEVADA. THIS IS THE REAL REASON to bring the Bundy family to court to rule in favor of the Bureau of LAND MANAGEMENT so that the other states that exist (which is very few) will eliminate any and ALL allodial titles agreements nationwide.

[link to en.wikipedia.org]


Please pay very close attention to this.


[link to www.leg.state.nv.us]

I fear this is a much more serious case the feds are trying to conquer in court after this debacle. The states senate and congress (includeing US senate and congress) will be affected by this.

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pay attention to the date of this article and the first paragraph especially.... Bureau of Land Management.....



[link to thearizonasentinel.com]

I know this is AZ ( bundy ranch is in Nevada) but is this legal challenge applicable to this property via these laws and legal definitions??? Is this a UN LAND grab "in your face" in accordance with the Global Biodiversity Project (UN AGENDA 21)??? IF so, If they lose this land, Profit truly is overcome within the law to do so NATIONWIDE legally..... WE have a HUUUUUGGGGEEE Problem Ladies and Gentleman.... This, would be the nail in the coffin for the banks to legally Loan money to private companies in order for federal services to enforce that loan via emminent domain and land rights laws. CRIMINAL!!!!!

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I'm stretching this on a limb but if you look closely at the law, ALLODIAL TITLE in NEVADA is due for termination since in NEVADA it is one of the last states to have this RARE legal reserve for property rights in the UNITED STATES. Please scroll down in the links to learn about NEVADA. THIS IS THE REAL REASON to bring the Bundy family to court to rule in favor of the Bureau of LAND MANAGEMENT so that the other states that exist (which is very few) will eliminate any and ALL allodial titles agreements nationwide.

[link to en.wikipedia.org]


Please pay very close attention to this.


[link to www.leg.state.nv.us]

I fear this is a much more serious case the feds are trying to conquer in court after this debacle. The states senate and congress (includeing US senate and congress) will be affected by this.
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You can't eliminate an Allodial Status for it is Sovereign in nature and not subject to Code.
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I'm stretching this on a limb but if you look closely at the law, ALLODIAL TITLE in NEVADA is due for termination since in NEVADA it is one of the last states to have this RARE legal reserve for property rights in the UNITED STATES. Please scroll down in the links to learn about NEVADA. THIS IS THE REAL REASON to bring the Bundy family to court to rule in favor of the Bureau of LAND MANAGEMENT so that the other states that exist (which is very few) will eliminate any and ALL allodial titles agreements nationwide.

[link to en.wikipedia.org]


Please pay very close attention to this.


[link to www.leg.state.nv.us]

I fear this is a much more serious case the feds are trying to conquer in court after this debacle. The states senate and congress (includeing US senate and congress) will be affected by this.
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You can't eliminate an Allodial Status for it is Sovereign in nature and not subject to Code.
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we need the Title/note to this property to properly identify if this is legal, or if in fact there is an issue with this land in general. what does the public land records and state have to say about it???
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I'm stretching this on a limb but if you look closely at the law, ALLODIAL TITLE in NEVADA is due for termination since in NEVADA it is one of the last states to have this RARE legal reserve for property rights in the UNITED STATES. Please scroll down in the links to learn about NEVADA. THIS IS THE REAL REASON to bring the Bundy family to court to rule in favor of the Bureau of LAND MANAGEMENT so that the other states that exist (which is very few) will eliminate any and ALL allodial titles agreements nationwide.

[link to en.wikipedia.org]


Please pay very close attention to this.


[link to www.leg.state.nv.us]

I fear this is a much more serious case the feds are trying to conquer in court after this debacle. The states senate and congress (includeing US senate and congress) will be affected by this.
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You can't eliminate an Allodial Status for it is Sovereign in nature and not subject to Code.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 52385524


we need the Title/note to this property to properly identify if this is legal, or if in fact there is an issue with this land in general. what does the public land records and state have to say about it???
 Quoting: Surreptitious Muckraker


Friend.....
Did you not hear me?

Bundy is not subject to US Code.

Allodial Status cannot be altered by USC....Period.
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great thread.....agenda 21 anyone?
"Any man who thinks he can be happy and prosperous by letting the American Government take care of him;

better take a closer look at the American Indian."

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"Disappointment is Anger for wimps"

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Its already like this, if you don't pay your taxes on your property, see who ends up with the land.
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That is intriguing about the timelines...
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With Dirty I live at the Ritz Harry and Neil Kornze background being in mining, I suspect they are going after mineral claims and water.wise yoda
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Seriously, how does the Bundy/Fracking nonsense keep getting pinned?!

It's. Has. Nothing. To. Do. With. Oil.
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I'm stretching this on a limb but if you look closely at the law, ALLODIAL TITLE in NEVADA is due for termination since in NEVADA it is one of the last states to have this RARE legal reserve for property rights in the UNITED STATES. Please scroll down in the links to learn about NEVADA. THIS IS THE REAL REASON to bring the Bundy family to court to rule in favor of the Bureau of LAND MANAGEMENT so that the other states that exist (which is very few) will eliminate any and ALL allodial titles agreements nationwide.

[link to en.wikipedia.org]


Please pay very close attention to this.


[link to www.leg.state.nv.us]

I fear this is a much more serious case the feds are trying to conquer in court after this debacle. The states senate and congress (includeing US senate and congress) will be affected by this.
 Quoting: Surreptitious Muckraker


But it is not HIS ranch that is central to the government's issue, it is his grazing his cattle on the land he does not own, the federal land. In that he for years was grazing under the 1934 grazing rights act or laws and was paying for that right. I believe at some time he paid the state but then they would not accept the money and then eventually he paid no one.

I believe there is a lot ongoing in this but I do not think allodial land is what that is.
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Why You Should NOT Associate Yourselves with Peter Santilli [UPDATED]

[link to stormcloudsgathering.com]

... and the dude is directing this event?

someone alert the Sheriff about this guy!

wtf 10
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I'm stretching this on a limb but if you look closely at the law, ALLODIAL TITLE in NEVADA is due for termination since in NEVADA it is one of the last states to have this RARE legal reserve for property rights in the UNITED STATES. Please scroll down in the links to learn about NEVADA. THIS IS THE REAL REASON to bring the Bundy family to court to rule in favor of the Bureau of LAND MANAGEMENT so that the other states that exist (which is very few) will eliminate any and ALL allodial titles agreements nationwide.

[link to en.wikipedia.org]


Please pay very close attention to this.


[link to www.leg.state.nv.us]

I fear this is a much more serious case the feds are trying to conquer in court after this debacle. The states senate and congress (includeing US senate and congress) will be affected by this.
 Quoting: Surreptitious Muckraker


But it is not HIS ranch that is central to the government's issue, it is his grazing his cattle on the land he does not own, the federal land. In that he for years was grazing under the 1934 grazing rights act or laws and was paying for that right. I believe at some time he paid the state but then they would not accept the money and then eventually he paid no one.

I believe there is a lot ongoing in this but I do not think allodial land is what that is.
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The part where he pays the wrong party, or pays NO ONE for the grazing rights is the bad part. Why the fuck did he do that? THAT is where he loses me.
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no more allodial titles after June 13 2005 in Nevada, and anyway, if you had property with no outstanding mortgage or liens, you could not give it in an inheritance without the recipient losing allodial title. NRS 361.900 (btw, ALWAYS check whether a state's Revised statutes were revised legally, having been completely re-written and submitted to the state legislature in accordance with law)
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I'm stretching this on a limb but if you look closely at the law, ALLODIAL TITLE in NEVADA is due for termination since in NEVADA it is one of the last states to have this RARE legal reserve for property rights in the UNITED STATES. Please scroll down in the links to learn about NEVADA. THIS IS THE REAL REASON to bring the Bundy family to court to rule in favor of the Bureau of LAND MANAGEMENT so that the other states that exist (which is very few) will eliminate any and ALL allodial titles agreements nationwide.

[link to en.wikipedia.org]


Please pay very close attention to this.


[link to www.leg.state.nv.us]

I fear this is a much more serious case the feds are trying to conquer in court after this debacle. The states senate and congress (includeing US senate and congress) will be affected by this.
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nice work bro
political correctness is a doctrine.... fostered by a delusional, illogical minority...... and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media; which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.
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I'm stretching this on a limb but if you look closely at the law, ALLODIAL TITLE in NEVADA is due for termination since in NEVADA it is one of the last states to have this RARE legal reserve for property rights in the UNITED STATES. Please scroll down in the links to learn about NEVADA. THIS IS THE REAL REASON to bring the Bundy family to court to rule in favor of the Bureau of LAND MANAGEMENT so that the other states that exist (which is very few) will eliminate any and ALL allodial titles agreements nationwide.

[link to en.wikipedia.org]


Please pay very close attention to this.


[link to www.leg.state.nv.us]

I fear this is a much more serious case the feds are trying to conquer in court after this debacle. The states senate and congress (includeing US senate and congress) will be affected by this.
 Quoting: Surreptitious Muckraker


But it is not HIS ranch that is central to the government's issue, it is his grazing his cattle on the land he does not own, the federal land. In that he for years was grazing under the 1934 grazing rights act or laws and was paying for that right. I believe at some time he paid the state but then they would not accept the money and then eventually he paid no one.

I believe there is a lot ongoing in this but I do not think allodial land is what that is.
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The part where he pays the wrong party, or pays NO ONE for the grazing rights is the bad part. Why the fuck did he do that? THAT is where he loses me.
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Because it is not lawful

But if you think you should have to pay any bill that comes your way, whether lawful ot not, I will start mailing you bills.

Of course, you will pay them. Or I send my goons.
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federal reserve notes can not buy land ...
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I'm stretching this on a limb but if you look closely at the law, ALLODIAL TITLE in NEVADA is due for termination since in NEVADA it is one of the last states to have this RARE legal reserve for property rights in the UNITED STATES. Please scroll down in the links to learn about NEVADA. THIS IS THE REAL REASON to bring the Bundy family to court to rule in favor of the Bureau of LAND MANAGEMENT so that the other states that exist (which is very few) will eliminate any and ALL allodial titles agreements nationwide.

[link to en.wikipedia.org]


Please pay very close attention to this.


[link to www.leg.state.nv.us]

I fear this is a much more serious case the feds are trying to conquer in court after this debacle. The states senate and congress (includeing US senate and congress) will be affected by this.
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they've already been infected with the insidious poison eeking it's way thru the veins of society in general and at large

all over but for the shouting now I'm afraid

tick tock
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The so called "western democracies" or "free world", are now totally controlled by the illuminati.
Yet until 2013 they didn't dare demolish the principle that private property is untouchable, with the xception that owners can be forced to sell in case of public interest, like building a road.

WHY illuminati MUST NOW confiscate
Because, 6 years into illuminati overtime, the usual tactics have reached the limit:
- genocide of elderly, sick and candidates to retire in the near future (30 million murdered in the USA / EU / Canada / Australia during the last 15 years, the largest genocide ever);
- cuts of salaries, pensions,social benefits, etc;
- increase of working hours, taxes, prices, retirement age, etc;
- privatizations" or in other words the plunder of public assets or the transfer to illuminati safes.

Confiscation agenda in the "free world"- UNPRECEDENTED GENERALIZED seizure of private assets - Updated list of ongoing Confiscation Milestones
2013 April - 40% of ALL deposits above 100,000 € - Cyprus. [1]
2013 Sept- Oceanfront property, 50 meters from Ocean and 30 meters frm lakes and rivers - Portugal [2].
2014 March - ANY assets or property from ANYONE (US citizens or not) accused of supporting Crimea's breaking away from Ukraine - USA. [3]
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that was interesting but it didn't really answer anything.
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I'm stretching this on a limb but if you look closely at the law, ALLODIAL TITLE in NEVADA is due for termination since in NEVADA it is one of the last states to have this RARE legal reserve for property rights in the UNITED STATES. Please scroll down in the links to learn about NEVADA. THIS IS THE REAL REASON to bring the Bundy family to court to rule in favor of the Bureau of LAND MANAGEMENT so that the other states that exist (which is very few) will eliminate any and ALL allodial titles agreements nationwide.

[link to en.wikipedia.org]


Please pay very close attention to this.


[link to www.leg.state.nv.us]

I fear this is a much more serious case the feds are trying to conquer in court after this debacle. The states senate and congress (includeing US senate and congress) will be affected by this.
 Quoting: Surreptitious Muckraker


But it is not HIS ranch that is central to the government's issue, it is his grazing his cattle on the land he does not own, the federal land. In that he for years was grazing under the 1934 grazing rights act or laws and was paying for that right. I believe at some time he paid the state but then they would not accept the money and then eventually he paid no one.

I believe there is a lot ongoing in this but I do not think allodial land is what that is.
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The part where he pays the wrong party, or pays NO ONE for the grazing rights is the bad part. Why the fuck did he do that? THAT is where he loses me.
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His family BOUGHT the grazing rights and water rights in the 1800's. They didn't need to pay rent for land rights that they bought. They may not have owned the actual land, but they owned the plants that grew on the land and the water that flowed over it.

It wasn't until the BLM showed up in the 1990's, on the excuse that there was an endangered turtle, that anyone asked any of the ranchers in that area to pay money. When the BLM showed up, there were 54 ranch families with cattle in that valley. They then got rid of 53 families, through threats of legal action and small payoffs. Many of those families continued to pay the illegal fees that the BLM demanded, up until the day they were illegally thrown off the land they had the right to graze their animals on.

This family is the last one left. They have the legal right to be there. IT IS NOT FEDERAL LAND! The Federal government has no right to demand payment.
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I'm stretching this on a limb but if you look closely at the law, ALLODIAL TITLE in NEVADA is due for termination since in NEVADA it is one of the last states to have this RARE legal reserve for property rights in the UNITED STATES. Please scroll down in the links to learn about NEVADA. THIS IS THE REAL REASON to bring the Bundy family to court to rule in favor of the Bureau of LAND MANAGEMENT so that the other states that exist (which is very few) will eliminate any and ALL allodial titles agreements nationwide.

[link to en.wikipedia.org]


Please pay very close attention to this.


[link to www.leg.state.nv.us]

I fear this is a much more serious case the feds are trying to conquer in court after this debacle. The states senate and congress (includeing US senate and congress) will be affected by this.
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But it is not HIS ranch that is central to the government's issue, it is his grazing his cattle on the land he does not own, the federal land. In that he for years was grazing under the 1934 grazing rights act or laws and was paying for that right. I believe at some time he paid the state but then they would not accept the money and then eventually he paid no one.

I believe there is a lot ongoing in this but I do not think allodial land is what that is.
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The part where he pays the wrong party, or pays NO ONE for the grazing rights is the bad part. Why the fuck did he do that? THAT is where he loses me.
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Because it is not lawful

But if you think you should have to pay any bill that comes your way, whether lawful ot not, I will start mailing you bills.

Of course, you will pay them. Or I send my goons.
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You are still playing in a game that you did not create nor do you understand it. The govt creates "money" from nothing. Look....

$1,000,000.00

I just created one million dollars. It looks exactly like one million dollars on a bank's computer.

This was never about "money".

Paper "money" and computer digit "money" are an illusion.

Fake "money" is about seizing real things and exercising power over people who are still stuck in the illusion of "money".

Real things = real value

Fake "money" = no value.

Look deeper. Think harder.
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The Indians suffered this and more. The US government killed most of them to get their land and resources, after the Indians saved their asses at first Thanksgiving...Your house or ranch is next:

Russell Means: Americans Are the New Indians.
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I'm stretching this on a limb but if you look closely at the law, ALLODIAL TITLE in NEVADA is due for termination since in NEVADA it is one of the last states to have this RARE legal reserve for property rights in the UNITED STATES. Please scroll down in the links to learn about NEVADA. THIS IS THE REAL REASON to bring the Bundy family to court to rule in favor of the Bureau of LAND MANAGEMENT so that the other states that exist (which is very few) will eliminate any and ALL allodial titles agreements nationwide.

[link to en.wikipedia.org]


Please pay very close attention to this.


[link to www.leg.state.nv.us]

I fear this is a much more serious case the feds are trying to conquer in court after this debacle. The states senate and congress (includeing US senate and congress) will be affected by this.
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nice work bro
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something didnt seem right. Its happening all over the country. I'm just surprised no one looked into the land itself. I was intrigued when i found this. I'd like to hear a lawywers opinion on this
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the silence is deafening.

always happens when you hit a subject right on!

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This is sweet, watching this transpire is awesome!!
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Straight from a rancher's mouth
The BLM's actions are not only flatly illegal, they are unlawful, and not only unlawful, they are so unlawful that it took bribing someone with a $300,000 payoff to get them to accept stolen cattle from a Government agency.

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