Challenge to all Bundy doubters.Benefit of the doubt.

Thank you. An excellent summation.

Ha according to some GLPers Al is probably illuminati.

While I sympathize with this guy and I think the BLM is just another method of control, it is not his land and he guy did not pay his fees.

Doesnt matter if he is right or wrong, once the govt has its hooks into anything, you have no freedom or power and you will lose 99% of the time. Also doesnt matter that he has been on the place since the 1800s, when the govt decides you have to go, you will go.

Look at the EPA. More people have lost land battles with the EPA than anything else. I remember the time that you could do anything you wanted to on your own land, but you sure better not fill in a wet land for any reason.

How about the IRS, another heartless part of the govt.
Dont pay your taxes for 20 years and guess what happens.

I dont agree with the way BLM is handling it and I think the violence is ridiculous and will probably end up in bloodshed but I think Bundy should have handled this in a different manner and not let it go on this long.

I do actually think this is a test, IE TPTB waited for all the perfect conditions to measure a response from the public to run off Bundy, similar to the Katrina marshall law test.

8 pages. Where are the shills?

No, he stopped paying BLM because they were using the fees against him to take his land away like they did to the other 53 ranchers they shut down!

Here it from a rancher who paid the fees and still had his ranch shut down by BLM

Wrong, he has the grazing rights and water rights how many times must I say this? You also have the right to go on the land.However where does the BLM get their rights? Then Read the OP it should be quite simple.

Like usual: OP tells people to believe himself it's simple, because he said so.

BULLSHIT

Read the Original Post and step up...

Haha no one is arguing these facts but you. Not even the BLM.

Read the original post, where the logical fallacy is its foundation. The OP has to prove, not the people doubting the OP.

Typical DUMBASS on GLP. Typical bullshit spread on GLP. Typical brainwash experiment on GLP.

Link it and expose my ignorance.

OK smart guy what is so unreasonable about the Original post?

he stopped paying the blm in 1993 you ignorant shit.
stop being such a dishonest fucktard.
no wonder you consider the rancher theif your hero

I already told you.
You are so dumb, you can't even read.

Now piss off.

You know why. For that matter, even though Fox is covering this, they too are attempting to sway public opinion away from the truth.

Why?

He's not my hero, he's just right. I love pissing off you smart people. Show the flaws in his case. Shoe were the BLM is in the right. Are you stupid or just dumb?

Ok step up bastards give me some links. And show me where the Feds derive the power to take Bundy's cows.

Yes, ^^^that too!!.ty for that input. and if its not the solar energy plan its for fracking...

I don't know how this is still pinned you guys have not stepped up to the challenge at all.

You keep calling everyone idiots but you don't know the law. Or maybe you do and you can give me a link to the reason the Constitution doesn't trump that law. Smarty people call your smarty friends, you can figure this out.

check the explanation post a bit above you. He knows he doesn't OWN the land - he owns the GRAZING RIGHTS.

Noone will step up because they can't. The writers of our great Constitution were afraid of the situation that has unfolded before our eyes. Nowhere in the Constitution does it give the feds the right to infringe upon states rights. The federal government has slowly creeped in like a bully shoving and kicking his way to the front of the line. The feds should be working for and be at the mercy of the states. Not the other way around. A monster has been created. I have a B.A. in Political Science so I know a litte about the Constitution. That was so long ago that I need a refresher course though.

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FUCK YOU ASSTARD...

read and learn something or are facts beyond your comprehension? ....

(from another poster on another thread - thanks)

I keep hearing "Bundy just doesn't want to pay his range fees!"

You guys don't even know what a "range fee" is. So STFU and read.

First off, realize this: land had different value. There are "surface rights", "mineral rights", "egress rights", "water rights", and there are "GRAZING RIGHTS".

No, Bundy does not own the land. He *OWNS* the grazing rights. He purchased it from his father who purchased it from his father who purchased it from either the Fed. Gov. or Nevada.

Range fees are not fees that you have to pay to allow your cattle to wander around and eat. They are fees you pay so that the BLM will help you improve the area with roads, water resources, etc.

In the last 20 years the BLM has attempted to make the range fees mandatory. If they are allowed to do this, then the grazing rights that Bundy lawfully owns will mean nothing. They will have been effectively stolen from him.

The BLM is attempting to stop cattle ranchers because sniveling greedy twits would rather get massive kickbacks from Chinese energy companies to put solar cells out there. Cows and solar cells don't mix. But, that is opinion, not fact.

Back to the facts.

The BLM have not used the range fees to help the ranchers improve the land. Instead, they used the fees to close the public lands, buy out their grazing rights (for pennies on the dollar since they closed the lands and the rights were then worthless) and kept them out of public lands.

Its all a longer term plan to keep the ranchers off the public lands. The turtle bullshit is a guise to attempt to more "officially" close the lands because they want them for purposes that will actually be much more environmentally dangerous.

So, they've run out all the other ranchers just by saying: "We're closing the lands. Your grazing rights mean nothing." They hand little resistance. Until, Clive Bundy. Clive thinks that, since he has grazing rights, he should be able to graze.

Back to the range fees: The range fees basically were a contract between the rancher and the BLM. In Bundy's case, the BLM simply used the range fees to fund lawyers to attempt to unlawfully revoke his grazing rights. He basically said, "You're Fired! I don't need you and you're working against me." ...and financed the improvements himself. (Improvements, that, BTW, the crooked Bastard Land Mismanagers are vandalizing.)

Now, all you shills that have been pushing this bullshit about "He doesn't own the land..." The fact is, he does and he doesn't. Since his grazing rights pre-empt the BLM's illegitimate claim that he must pay to graze, they trump it. They are simply out of gas, legally.

So, you shills can go on and on, but, you look embarrassingly stupid in the face of the real fact.

Get a clue before you post. He owns the grazing rights. The BLM is blocking those grazing rights. They are stealing his property that he paid for, and is lawfully documented. Stop showing your ignorance! The fact is, he *NEVER* had to pay the range fees since he had grazing rights. The other ranchers may have had to pay the range fees because they didn't *OWN* their grazing rights and, effectively, leased the grazing rights from the BLM.

where did you guys go? I thought you could answer my questions.

Here is your research...

*UPDATE: Those who say Bundy is a “deadbeat” are making inaccurate claims. Bundy has in fact paid fees to Clark County, Nevada in an arrangement pre-dating the BLM. The BLM arrived much later, changed the details of the setup without consulting with Bundy — or any other rancher — and then began systematically driving out cattle and ranchers. Bundy refused to pay BLM, especially after they demanded he reduce his heard’s head count down to a level that would not sustain his ranch. Bundy OWNS the water and forage rights to this land. He paid for these rights. He built fences, established water ways, and constructed roads with his own money, with the approval of Nevada and BLM. When BLM started using his fees to run him off the land and harassing him, he ceased paying. So should BLM reimburse him for managing the land and for the confiscation of his water and forage rights? - See more at: [link to danaloeschradio.com]

What Constitutional right do the feds have to the states land. None. This is theft. People have been conditioned to expect and live with tyranny. Unbelievable.

well its not US guys because most here agree with you.... the shill trolls are the ones not stepping up.

Yes Bundy had free full grazing rights.

Then the govt comes along and changes the rules and forces ranchers like him to pay a fee that he did not pay.

Remember the govt is on a mission to tax us to death and its more and more and more and it will get worse.

I dont blame him for being upset and stopping paying but as I said above, when the govt targets anything, people, land, healthcare, you/we lose 99% of the time.

Look at how many people have lost battles with the EPA, IRS IE any govt agency and end up in bankruptcy when they are in the right.

If he would have just paid the fees he would not have issues. I hate this sort of crap too, but its life in the present and the way things are and this is not 1890.

If it was 1890 a lot of people would already be dead.

This

Haha it's funny these guys just call me an idiot and run.