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The nature of Angels/Demons/Prophets

 
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Those who see will know
and those who know will see
there are demons here among us
in those who demonize me
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I've been thinking on these terms for a while. Have you ever seen the discussions comparing the design of the tabernacle of Exodus to a cell? As above, so below.

Also, have you read Neal Stephenson's "Snow Crash"? Also points to sin as a virus, but more like a computer virus which attacks our programming.

There is a ton of evidence that Jesus was a historical figure, though. Good thread, OP.
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I have heard of neither to be honest. The book looks extreeeemeley interesting, I'll have to check that out.

And could provide any link the tabernacle discussions? I can instantly see what is being suggested just looking at the pics of the layout, but couldn't find any discussions regarding, would be appreciated.

As for the bold bit, can you provide any? Not trying to disagree, but I haven't seen this myself.

Thanks for your input!

hf
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Speaking of which, how many are aware that the Big Bang theory was invented by a priest!!

God brought all into being through one divine explosion.

When Stephen Hawking was trying to settle on a theory out of about 4 possibilities, he felt this was the most logical but didn't like it because it implied that the universe had to have been started by something.

So he invented some new bollocks Physics which states that in this one instance, there is no need for a cause, just the affect.

Well...

If I was Stephen Hawking I might be angry towards God too I guess...

Nah.....

hf
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there is a designer. If something has design then there must be a designer. I like your thread. Dont agree with all, but its a good direction. I have stopped trying to break it down and just... " Be still and Know"

hf
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Thank you hf

I don't necessarily agree with it all myself, it's just a lot of thoughts that steamrollered through my mind one night and I think getting it down in writing and discussing is helping me to muddle through it.

Noone has all the answers.

Well, except for Mr. Hawking of course!!

"Because there is a law such as gravity, the universe can and will create itself from nothing, spontaneous creation is the reason there is something rather than nothing, why the universe exists, why we exist."

Well, that makes perfect sense!! It happened because it happened because it happens. NOT SCIENCE!
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I've been thinking on these terms for a while. Have you ever seen the discussions comparing the design of the tabernacle of Exodus to a cell? As above, so below.

Also, have you read Neal Stephenson's "Snow Crash"? Also points to sin as a virus, but more like a computer virus which attacks our programming.

There is a ton of evidence that Jesus was a historical figure, though. Good thread, OP.
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I have heard of neither to be honest. The book looks extreeeemeley interesting, I'll have to check that out.

And could provide any link the tabernacle discussions? I can instantly see what is being suggested just looking at the pics of the layout, but couldn't find any discussions regarding, would be appreciated.

As for the bold bit, can you provide any? Not trying to disagree, but I haven't seen this myself.

Thanks for your input!

hf
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"Know you not that you are the temple of God, and the Spirit of God dwells in you? "

First Corinthians 3:16

I have not found many people discussing the tabernacle/cell comparison, but here is one source:

[link to www.youtube.com (secure)]
start at 12:58

I am certain this is only the tip of the iceberg on this issue. I think that DNA is God's 3d programming. We can only code in 2 dimensional binary, but God has produced a self replicating, self repairing 3 dimensional code to produce life. In Eden, we tainted (possibly with a virus - the 3d version of a computer virus?)our DNA programming with the propensity to desire evil (to control others, better ourselves before others, covet what others have, etc.) Now we are trapped here on Earth with other lousy people of the same ilk, until we are stressed out and humbled enough to seek out another answer to our problems.

I believe that there are many, many layers to scripture and God's patterns in nature. Listen to some of Chuck Missler's lectures on physics and the Bible.


I don't know if one could ever find truly objective sources on the historicity of Jesus. I think you must read material from each side and weigh it yourself. I'm sure you are aware of the writings of Josephus and Tacitus, and I'm sure you are aware of attacks on those sources. I hate to cite the Wiki, but it does contain a good bibliography of sources to begin a study of the subject.

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

Actually, the existence of Jesus is one of the most well documented events in history. I don't believe you can discount the gospels, epistles, etc. simply on the basis of their being "non neutral sources". There are a staggering number of texts and scrolls testifying to the life and death of Jesus. In the end, the overwhelming majority of history is constructed by belief and not hard, indisputable fact. Documents, architectural remains and fossil records are all subject to spin by one's own nature. To my mind, the fact that so many of the apostles died under horrific circumstances when they could have saved themselves by recanting, speaks volumes. But there are certainly arguments against that line of thought as well. Ultimately you must take your own journey in life and come to your own conclusions. Sorry I have not been more concise - just my thoughts after listening to and reading volumes.
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Hi ExploringtheTruth,

I get what you're saying but....

The so called "PTB" would love us to think that of ourselves, that we're a virus, a cancer on the planet. But are we? Or is it actually just that we've allowed ourselves to be led by a group of infected hosts, who have a greater control over our thoughts and emotions than we could ever hope to achieve. This is the reason I think we don't actually need to fight this infection, we're not able to, we'll never be able to.

Even if we were to all rise up one day and say "lets overthrow the governments" would that really help anything?

Or would we just be lowering ourselves even further through warfare and violence, when we're creatures of love and creation.

We simply need to reject destruction and fear, that's it. We've been put on this planet in a symbiotic relationship with it. We're gardeners, we're supposed to nurture it.

One thing I really do worry about...

All religion tells us that one day, we'll all be saved if we're good and I suppose I have been saying the same. If this beautiful planet is a gift from our Mother and Father though, I mean... how pissed would you be if you were to come back now to check on it verysad

I suppose the point is, what do you class as being good? I feel that in order for our souls to grow, we need to reject that which is destructive and evil AND do good on the planet. Love it! It's a gift from our mother and if we look after it it will look after us, like it does for every other species on the planet.
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hf
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The first part of your post "What if God is our Father? What if we're all God's children. Literally...The Earth is an egg. We are the cells. Spread forth and multiply, just like an embryo, we're growing alongside this gigantic/tiny yolk we all live on. " is a pretty interesting idea, the bible mentions god making man in his image and then Adam making Seth (his son) in his own image. And I have wondered if the ground was living matter at the beginning since God did create pretty much every species that is on the earth today from it.
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the nature of angels and demons and prophets is simple, spirit vs flesh





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