WIPP Update: — Robots Brought To Site For Radiation Levels Too High For Humans | |
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Cavaignac User ID: 35833 United Kingdom 04/18/2014 05:38 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | read your links before you post them 'But the crews had to retreat before identifying the possible source because they had been underground for five hours in protective gear that retains heat and the batteries on their respiratory equipment were running low.' The next step is for crews, and possibly robots, to go back down to see if they can identify what caused the leak. Among the potential scenarios: a roof collapse that damaged waste-storage containers or a puncture of a container by a forklift. The Game |
Citizenperth (OP) User ID: 32630275 Australia 04/18/2014 05:51 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | read your links before you post them Quoting: Cavaignac 'But the crews had to retreat before identifying the possible source because they had been underground for five hours in protective gear that retains heat and the batteries on their respiratory equipment were running low.' The next step is for crews, and possibly robots, to go back down to see if they can identify what caused the leak. Among the potential scenarios: a roof collapse that damaged waste-storage containers or a puncture of a container by a forklift. you obviously haven't looked through the confirmed Pu reports and checked the rad dispersion maps then? Last Edited by CitizenPerth™ on 04/18/2014 05:51 AM It's life as we know it, but only just. [link to citizenperth.wordpress.com] sic ut vos es vos should exsisto , denego alius vicis facio vos change , exsisto youself , proprie |
Krispy71 User ID: 39765605 Netherlands 04/18/2014 06:04 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | read your links before you post them Quoting: Cavaignac 'But the crews had to retreat before identifying the possible source because they had been underground for five hours in protective gear that retains heat and the batteries on their respiratory equipment were running low.' The next step is for crews, and possibly robots, to go back down to see if they can identify what caused the leak. Among the potential scenarios: a roof collapse that damaged waste-storage containers or a puncture of a container by a forklift. And that explains the fires of late ???? NOPE .... There is much more going on the past MONTHS, this facility was having trouble and that is not becoz of 1 container punctured by a forklift !!! It is clear that they dont have the situation under control and are not certain themselves as to what is happening down there. Quote : The truck that caught fire a half mile underground at a southeastern New Mexico nuclear waste dump was 29 years old, improperly maintained and operating without an automatic fire-suppression system. This example of the truck is evidence that they didnt have things under controle and that safety-measures were not important to them. It might as well be that THE TRUCK is a diversion and a mask used for other problems which could not be admitted in public ... They knew that no one would make a fuzz about an old truck catching fire ;) Besides THAT, the fire on the truck cant be responsible for the huge amount of leaking radiation, something ELSE and BIGGER must have occurred before the truck caught fire. xxxK Last Edited by Krispy71 on 04/18/2014 06:05 AM |
donestickfork User ID: 53320924 United States 04/18/2014 08:17 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | No wonder I feel like a huge case of 'wipp-lash' has happened to me. Thanks for keeping us up to date. I'm going to go back out and breathe in some nice clean radioactive particles. But first I'm going to open my freshly brewed filtered toilet water beer with my teeth. |
Ranger User ID: 43497193 United States 04/18/2014 08:34 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Sometime ago Dr. Chris Rusby did a video from his boat, Can't remember if from France or where, but he tore apart a proposed scheme to build a massive underground nuclear waste site in a cavern under the Baltic Sea saying it would only be a matter of time before gas emissions from the concrete casks would cause a criticality (nuclear reaction) and the whole thing would eventually go up. There is NO safe long term storage yet invented for nuclear waste, theyve buried it, dumped it in oceans, put in concrete, even sprayed it over wide areas "in the name of science" etc. but concrete. Casks supposedly to last 50 years only last around 30 it seems, and if you put it all into casks at the same time in the best case scenario re would need to re cask all of it 50 years later, and then would reliably wait until the last minute to begin. The first rule of handling a nuclear crisis is to LIE, DENY and OBFUSCATE. The irony is those places down South that didnt get dosed by Fukushima are now getting the high numbers on the map and I suspect WIPP is the cause. Note that I 131 is used in most places for detection because of the 8 day half life, this means a criticality of some kind could be ongoing? |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 56639222 United States 04/18/2014 11:01 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Once again you get a 1 star from me for sensationalizing important information. NUCLEAR ACCIDENTS are bad enough without adding all the half truths dude. Just stick to the facts. But The Crews Had To Retreat Before Identifying The Possible Source Because They Had Been Underground For Five Hours In Protective Gear That Retains Heat And The Batteries On Their Respiratory Equipment Were Running Low. The Next Step Is For Crews, And Possibly Robots, To Go Back Down To See If They Can Identify What Caused The Leak. Nowhere did they say that it was to high for humans.. they just said they didn't make it to Panel #7 this trip. |
Krispy71 User ID: 39765605 Netherlands 04/18/2014 11:06 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Once again you get a 1 star from me for sensationalizing important information. NUCLEAR ACCIDENTS are bad enough without adding all the half truths dude. Just stick to the facts. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 56639222 But The Crews Had To Retreat Before Identifying The Possible Source Because They Had Been Underground For Five Hours In Protective Gear That Retains Heat And The Batteries On Their Respiratory Equipment Were Running Low. The Next Step Is For Crews, And Possibly Robots, To Go Back Down To See If They Can Identify What Caused The Leak. Nowhere did they say that it was to high for humans.. they just said they didn't make it to Panel #7 this trip. If they have to wear protective suits the radiation is way more high then it is needed ... and when put robots to the aid then the circumstances are very bad, meaning to bad for humans to stay in long enough to research the environment. IF THE RADIATION [LEAKING OUTSIDE] WASNT TO HIGH FOR HUMANS and was SAFE they wouldnt investigate at all !!!! ANY LEAKING RADIATION IS BAD FOR HUMANS !!!! xxxK |
Chugiakian User ID: 53604407 United States 04/18/2014 11:08 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | [link to www.youtube.com (secure)] So much Nuclear misconduct, both at the WIPP, Hanford and Fukushima! THE NRC is a joke! This is Crazy! Chugiakian |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 54358961 United States 04/18/2014 11:11 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | read your links before you post them Quoting: Cavaignac 'But the crews had to retreat before identifying the possible source because they had been underground for five hours in protective gear that retains heat and the batteries on their respiratory equipment were running low.' The next step is for crews, and possibly robots, to go back down to see if they can identify what caused the leak. Among the potential scenarios: a roof collapse that damaged waste-storage containers or a puncture of a container by a forklift. And that explains the fires of late ???? NOPE .... There is much more going on the past MONTHS, this facility was having trouble and that is not becoz of 1 container punctured by a forklift !!! It is clear that they dont have the situation under control and are not certain themselves as to what is happening down there. Quote : The truck that caught fire a half mile underground at a southeastern New Mexico nuclear waste dump was 29 years old, improperly maintained and operating without an automatic fire-suppression system. This example of the truck is evidence that they didnt have things under controle and that safety-measures were not important to them. It might as well be that THE TRUCK is a diversion and a mask used for other problems which could not be admitted in public ... They knew that no one would make a fuzz about an old truck catching fire ;) Besides THAT, the fire on the truck cant be responsible for the huge amount of leaking radiation, something ELSE and BIGGER must have occurred before the truck caught fire. xxxK I'd say the truck was exactly like they said. These places are generally run by the lowest bid subcontractors or big buddies of somebody in .gov. Either way they are run for profit. Pay levels are set and mandated by a government document that MUST be followed. So they cut on maintenance and new equipment, if they get new equipment it's soon old and usually stays around until it's decreped. |
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Döctör Whö User ID: 31864925 United States 04/18/2014 11:46 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | “All matter originates and exists only by virtue of a force which brings the particle of an atom to vibration and holds this most minute solar system of the atom together. We must assume behind this force the existence of a conscious and intelligent mind. This mind is the matrix of all matter.” ~ Max Planck |
Citizenperth (OP) User ID: 57012700 Australia 04/18/2014 12:41 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Once again you get a 1 star from me for sensationalizing important information. NUCLEAR ACCIDENTS are bad enough without adding all the half truths dude. Just stick to the facts. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 56639222 But The Crews Had To Retreat Before Identifying The Possible Source Because They Had Been Underground For Five Hours In Protective Gear That Retains Heat And The Batteries On Their Respiratory Equipment Were Running Low. The Next Step Is For Crews, And Possibly Robots, To Go Back Down To See If They Can Identify What Caused The Leak. Nowhere did they say that it was to high for humans.. they just said they didn't make it to Panel #7 this trip. it's not over-sensionalised.. it is fact as reported by the government bodies that over see the situation... i archive this shit.. show me where i am wrong and i'll counter you... that is all It's life as we know it, but only just. [link to citizenperth.wordpress.com] sic ut vos es vos should exsisto , denego alius vicis facio vos change , exsisto youself , proprie |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 56639222 United States 04/18/2014 01:51 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Once again you get a 1 star from me for sensationalizing important information. NUCLEAR ACCIDENTS are bad enough without adding all the half truths dude. Just stick to the facts. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 56639222 But The Crews Had To Retreat Before Identifying The Possible Source Because They Had Been Underground For Five Hours In Protective Gear That Retains Heat And The Batteries On Their Respiratory Equipment Were Running Low. The Next Step Is For Crews, And Possibly Robots, To Go Back Down To See If They Can Identify What Caused The Leak. Nowhere did they say that it was to high for humans.. they just said they didn't make it to Panel #7 this trip. it's not over-sensionalised.. it is fact as reported by the government bodies that over see the situation... i archive this shit.. show me where i am wrong and i'll counter you... that is all You didn't read my response obviously. I will bold the portion of the article that clearly shows that they intend to send people back down there as well. You are just as bad as the pro-nuclear people. Everyone sensationalizes and half truths everything. Stick to facts. WIPP is bad. The non-pit excess weapons grade plutonium they have been sticking in that mine is the REAL problem. |
Citizenperth (OP) User ID: 57015248 Australia 04/18/2014 01:58 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Once again you get a 1 star from me for sensationalizing important information. NUCLEAR ACCIDENTS are bad enough without adding all the half truths dude. Just stick to the facts. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 56639222 But The Crews Had To Retreat Before Identifying The Possible Source Because They Had Been Underground For Five Hours In Protective Gear That Retains Heat And The Batteries On Their Respiratory Equipment Were Running Low. The Next Step Is For Crews, And Possibly Robots, To Go Back Down To See If They Can Identify What Caused The Leak. Nowhere did they say that it was to high for humans.. they just said they didn't make it to Panel #7 this trip. it's not over-sensionalised.. it is fact as reported by the government bodies that over see the situation... i archive this shit.. show me where i am wrong and i'll counter you... that is all You didn't read my response obviously. I will bold the portion of the article that clearly shows that they intend to send people back down there as well. You are just as bad as the pro-nuclear people. Everyone sensationalizes and half truths everything. Stick to facts. WIPP is bad. The non-pit excess weapons grade plutonium they have been sticking in that mine is the REAL problem. then i will counter you as stated.. they have not.. and will not, for months send any people down into WIPP.. FACT.... show me where i am wrong? again, hve you looked at the iradialogical releases from their air conduits?.. these are state and site figures.... you are countering with a onn-argument which seems purely non-excitational... Last Edited by CitizenPerth™ on 04/18/2014 02:01 PM It's life as we know it, but only just. [link to citizenperth.wordpress.com] sic ut vos es vos should exsisto , denego alius vicis facio vos change , exsisto youself , proprie |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 56639222 United States 04/18/2014 02:02 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Once again you get a 1 star from me for sensationalizing important information. NUCLEAR ACCIDENTS are bad enough without adding all the half truths dude. Just stick to the facts. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 56639222 But The Crews Had To Retreat Before Identifying The Possible Source Because They Had Been Underground For Five Hours In Protective Gear That Retains Heat And The Batteries On Their Respiratory Equipment Were Running Low. The Next Step Is For Crews, And Possibly Robots, To Go Back Down To See If They Can Identify What Caused The Leak. Nowhere did they say that it was to high for humans.. they just said they didn't make it to Panel #7 this trip. it's not over-sensionalised.. it is fact as reported by the government bodies that over see the situation... i archive this shit.. show me where i am wrong and i'll counter you... that is all You didn't read my response obviously. I will bold the portion of the article that clearly shows that they intend to send people back down there as well. You are just as bad as the pro-nuclear people. Everyone sensationalizes and half truths everything. Stick to facts. WIPP is bad. The non-pit excess weapons grade plutonium they have been sticking in that mine is the REAL problem. then i will counter you as stated.. they have not.. and will not, for months send any people down into WIP.. FACT.... show me where i am wrong? again, hve you looked at the iradialogical releases from their air conduits?.. these are state and site figures.... I bolded, italicized and underlined from your own post the proof that they are sending people down into the mine. |
Citizenperth (OP) User ID: 57015248 Australia 04/18/2014 02:04 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Citizenperth it's not over-sensionalised.. it is fact as reported by the government bodies that over see the situation... i archive this shit.. show me where i am wrong and i'll counter you... that is all You didn't read my response obviously. I will bold the portion of the article that clearly shows that they intend to send people back down there as well. You are just as bad as the pro-nuclear people. Everyone sensationalizes and half truths everything. Stick to facts. WIPP is bad. The non-pit excess weapons grade plutonium they have been sticking in that mine is the REAL problem. then i will counter you as stated.. they have not.. and will not, for months send any people down into WIP.. FACT.... show me where i am wrong? again, hve you looked at the iradialogical releases from their air conduits?.. these are state and site figures.... I bolded, italicized and underlined from your own post the proof that they are sending people down into the mine. yer a bit slow my friend.. they DID NOT send anyone into the mine.. they were 'preparing the eventuality'... reading facts is your friend..... It's life as we know it, but only just. [link to citizenperth.wordpress.com] sic ut vos es vos should exsisto , denego alius vicis facio vos change , exsisto youself , proprie |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 56639222 United States 04/18/2014 02:07 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Once again you get a 1 star from me for sensationalizing important information. NUCLEAR ACCIDENTS are bad enough without adding all the half truths dude. Just stick to the facts. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 56639222 But The Crews Had To Retreat Before Identifying The Possible Source Because They Had Been Underground For Five Hours In Protective Gear That Retains Heat And The Batteries On Their Respiratory Equipment Were Running Low. The Next Step Is For Crews, And Possibly Robots, To Go Back Down To See If They Can Identify What Caused The Leak. Nowhere did they say that it was to high for humans.. they just said they didn't make it to Panel #7 this trip. it's not over-sensionalised.. it is fact as reported by the government bodies that over see the situation... i archive this shit.. show me where i am wrong and i'll counter you... that is all You didn't read my response obviously. I will bold the portion of the article that clearly shows that they intend to send people back down there as well. You are just as bad as the pro-nuclear people. Everyone sensationalizes and half truths everything. Stick to facts. WIPP is bad. The non-pit excess weapons grade plutonium they have been sticking in that mine is the REAL problem. then i will counter you as stated.. they have not.. and will not, for months send any people down into WIPP.. FACT.... show me where i am wrong? again, hve you looked at the iradialogical releases from their air conduits?.. these are state and site figures.... you are countering with a onn-argument which seems purely non-excitational... You obviously do not understand the makeup of the WIPP mine. They have not been able to access Panel Room 7 which is where they believe the incident occurred. It could be panel 7 or panel 6 (which was already sealed). Either of those panels had excess weapons grade plutonium from the Savannah River K reactor stored there. Most of that plutonium is in the form of P-239 or P-238 but there is a significant enough amount of P-240 to make it unsuitable for re-use. Just because they can't reach that area of the WIPP mine doesn't mean they aren't in the mine at all. Semantics and details in highly complex incidents like a nuclear accident or leak are very important and you are consistently guilty of sensationalism as is the case here as well. |
Citizenperth (OP) User ID: 57015248 Australia 04/18/2014 02:13 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Citizenperth it's not over-sensionalised.. it is fact as reported by the government bodies that over see the situation... i archive this shit.. show me where i am wrong and i'll counter you... that is all You didn't read my response obviously. I will bold the portion of the article that clearly shows that they intend to send people back down there as well. You are just as bad as the pro-nuclear people. Everyone sensationalizes and half truths everything. Stick to facts. WIPP is bad. The non-pit excess weapons grade plutonium they have been sticking in that mine is the REAL problem. then i will counter you as stated.. they have not.. and will not, for months send any people down into WIPP.. FACT.... show me where i am wrong? again, hve you looked at the iradialogical releases from their air conduits?.. these are state and site figures.... you are countering with a onn-argument which seems purely non-excitational... You obviously do not understand the makeup of the WIPP mine. They have not been able to access Panel Room 7 which is where they believe the incident occurred. It could be panel 7 or panel 6 (which was already sealed). Either of those panels had excess weapons grade plutonium from the Savannah River K reactor stored there. Most of that plutonium is in the form of P-239 or P-238 but there is a significant enough amount of P-240 to make it unsuitable for re-use. Just because they can't reach that area of the WIPP mine doesn't mean they aren't in the mine at all. Semantics and details in highly complex incidents like a nuclear accident or leak are very important and you are consistently guilty of sensationalism as is the case here as well. Then YOU Sir are in denial of the fact that the STATE, and Equipment Managers of the site, made satements about about a Pu , and U (lets guess at Amercurium, and other spoils), that were released through venting systems (albeit they were 'meant to be 'filtered'), for over a three week (at a wild guess), into the atmosphere at unknown levels..... and we are YET TO SEE HUMANS RECOVER OR RECUPERATE EVIDENCE... I think I'm done with you.. or, alternatively, keep it coming.. I have some wonderful data graphs delivered to me... wanna box? Last Edited by CitizenPerth™ on 04/18/2014 02:19 PM It's life as we know it, but only just. [link to citizenperth.wordpress.com] sic ut vos es vos should exsisto , denego alius vicis facio vos change , exsisto youself , proprie |
Citizenperth (OP) User ID: 57016378 Australia 04/19/2014 05:51 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | [snip] Contaminated Zone Found Inside WIPP Mine April 18th, 2014 | Add a Comment The Associated Press is reporting that Thursday’s mine entry effort found widespread contamination the further they went into the mine. It was said to be in the active storage area, that would be panel 7. According to previous WIPP reports no work was going on in the mine at the time after it was shut down by the truck fire weeks earlier. DOE is still claiming that either a roof collapse or a container puncture by a forklift to be the two possible scenarios. No work was being conducted in the mine so the forklift scenario would not be possible. After workers found the contamination in the panel area they had to leave the mine as their breathing equipment batteries were running out. The next entry is planned to try to identify the actual source of the contamination. They may use robots to assist in this work. The WIPP website has no information about this currently. [link to www.wipp.energy.gov] [end snip] so to the the stupid dude before? it's one thing to inform, it's another thing to sit in a basement and wank.... [link to www.fukuleaks.org] It's life as we know it, but only just. [link to citizenperth.wordpress.com] sic ut vos es vos should exsisto , denego alius vicis facio vos change , exsisto youself , proprie |
Chugiakian User ID: 53604407 United States 04/19/2014 09:47 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | WIPP Is the American FUKUSHIMA! The Gov't is good at covering up the truth. Truth about how Hanford, USS Ronald Reagan, San Onofre, Fukushima, WIPP. Building a Nuclear Reactor in/on an earthquake fault line, near the coast. Store the toxic waste in a manner that is not, and cannot be safe. TPTB pay the Corporate owned media NOT to report on this stuff. Sure some newsmakes its way to main stream media, but not before it is spun to further their agenda. Then you have the sheeple who defend this shit! whether they defend it out of ignorance or are paid to defend it, I really don't care. Makes no difference. The fact is, This nuclear age will be poisoning us all for many generations to come. Thanks for sharing OP Chugiakian |
KipKat User ID: 25952351 Netherlands 05/04/2014 10:38 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Official Update: Since February, there has been considerable coverage about the WIPP Underground Ventilation System. On February 14, the ventilation system worked as designed, protecting human health and the environment. [link to www.wipp.energy.gov] Last Edited by KipKat on 05/04/2014 10:43 AM :kkwapper: |
KipKat User ID: 25952351 Netherlands 05/04/2014 10:42 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | [link to enenews.com] "Officials: “Grossly disturbed… disintegrated.. destroyed” bags found above nuclear material inside WIPP — “Anomaly in waste stack” — Chemical reaction suspected based on recent findings (PHOTO & VIDEO)" :kkwapper: |