Christ Resurrection / And Many Others Too

There are many who do believe this and also that Cain and a few others might still be out there. There are the fallen angels - angels don't die.

tis upon each soul who passes through the flesh body to die but once

they didn't "come to life" per se nor did they then need to "die once more" to have returned and appeared otherwise

Christ has appeared many times in multiple "states" of being both before and after He was born into flesh hereupon

none of which required Him to either be born nor to die relative to each instance in turn

tis those like unto yourself that will bring us the most pleasure for our erstwhile efforts when all is said and done

; )

Luke 23:39-43
1599 Geneva Bible (GNV)
39 And one of the evildoers, which were hanged, railed on him, saying, If thou be that Christ, save thyself and us.

40 But the other answered, and rebuked him, saying, Fearest thou not God, seeing thou art in the same condemnation?

41 We are indeed righteously here: for we receive things worthy of that we have done: but this man hath done nothing amiss.

42 And he said unto Jesus, Lord, remember me, when thou comest into thy kingdom.

43 Then Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, today shalt thou be with me in Paradise.

Taking the punctuations out of the last verse, it still says the same to me.

Then Jesus said unto him verily I say unto thee today shalt thou be with me in Paradise.

If you put the comma after today, the sentence is odd for of course Christ is talking to the thief today. To me and imho, that leaves only one meaning: that the thief would be with Christ that day in Paradise.

Would this be when Jesus ascended, after the 40 days?

Try the Eastern Orthodox versions.

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

One example, the dead are not in either Heaven or Hell until Judgement day. until then they rest in peace.

The dead's sins CAN be corrected by prayers of the living. Thus, someone doomed for Hell can be saved if their sin's were corrected and they were in the prayers of the living.


Easter has more importance over Christmas in Eastern Orthodox. As his resurrection has greater significance.


They also do not believe in the Pope. Citing the Pope is not allowed on Eastern (Russian) Orthodox Church grounds. Putin has expanded that to all of Russia. The Pope is forbidden to travel to Russia. Noting NO MAN can stand in between a person and God.


Interesting read and a refreshing perspective to Christianity.


It has been foretold Eastern Orthodox will free the World from the Western version.

St. John the Baptist wrote.....

Prophecy One

Oh, Russia, Russia! How terribly has she sinned before the loving-kindness of the Lord. The Lord God favoured Russia, and He gave her that which He had not given to a single other nation on earth. And this nation turned out to be so ungrateful. She left Him; she rejected Him; and it is therefore that the Lord has given her over to be tormented by devils. The devils took up their residence in the souls of men, and the nation of Russia became possessed; literally, devil-ridden. And all the terrible things that we hear about what went on -- and what continues to go on -- in Russia: all the sacrilege, all the militant atheism and theomachy, -- all of this stems from her being possessed by devils. But, through the inexpressible mercy of God, this possession will pass and the nation will be healed. The nation will turn to repentance; to faith. That will occur, which none expects. Russia will be resurrected from the dead, and the entire world will be astonished. Orthodoxy in her will be reborn and triumph. But that Orthodoxy which had existed formerly will be no more. The great startsy have said that Russia will be reborn; that the people themselves will restore the Orthodox Monarchy. A mighty Tsar' will be placed upon the Throne by God Himself. He will be a great reformer, and he will be strong in the Orthodox faith. He will cast down the unfaithful hierarchs of the Church. He himself will be an outstanding personality, with a pure and holy soul. He will possess a strong will. He will be of the Romanov Dynasty, through the maternal line. He will be God's Chosen One, obedient to the Lord in all things. He will transform Siberia. But this Russia will exist only for a very short time. Soon thereafter will come to pass that of which the Apostle John speaks in his "Apocalypse."

Prophecy Two

What I say, I do not say on my own authority. But, rather, it is that which I heard from divinely-inspired startsy; that is what I have conveyed. The Lord will show His mercy to Russia, for the sake of the small number of true believers remaining in her. In Russia, the startsy used to say, through the will of the people, the Monarchy and Autocratic rule will be restored. The Lord has forechosen the future Tsar'. He will be a man of burning faith, of brilliant mind and of iron will. First of all, he will bring about order in the Orthodox Church, by removing all the false, heresy-preaching and lukewarm hierarchs. And very many indeed -- almost all, with few exceptions -- will be those removed by him; while new ones, true and steadfast hierarchs, will take their place. Through the female line, he will be from the lineage of the Romanovs. Russia will be a mighty state, but only for "a short time."? After that, the antichrist will come into the world, with all the horrors of the end, as described in the Apocalypse.


One of the daughters of the Romanov's survived. The Resurrected is appearing to be a discovery instead of a physical rising from the ground, dead.

Very interesting read. Thank you for that.

Easter has more importance over Christmas in Eastern Orthodox. As his resurrection has greater significance.

They also do not believe in the Pope. Citing the Pope is not allowed on Eastern (Russian) Orthodox Church grounds. Putin has expanded that to all of Russia. The Pope is forbidden to travel to Russia. Noting NO MAN can stand in between a person and God.

Easter the Resurrection should be much more important than Christmas. It is OUR SALVATION. Christmas was about Jesus being born to die for our sins.

Not too sure about the Russian part but still interesting to see how they do believe. As for the pope, no man in God on Earth. Peter being the so called Rock is wrongly interpreted in my opinion. The ROCK is Faith In Jesus Christ. Jesus is my intercessory to God thus the reason we pray in HIS name. Amen.

God Bless

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To all who have been posting and being respectful. All others have been removed. I don't want to read trash on this Holy Day.

You are not even close to speaking the truth. Why?

You posted information that diverts people away from the truth. Why?

The King James Bible is all that we need to know the truth.

The Bible makes it clear...... the non-believers in Jesus Christ will go to hell while the Christian will go to "Utopia", for lack of a better word. After Jesus comes back and after He reigns for 1000 years, Satan will be released on Earth again for a short time and then comes the Judgement.

Both hell and "Utopia" are temporary holding facilities.

Luke 16:1 And he said also unto his disciples, There was a certain rich man, which had a steward; and the same was accused unto him that he had wasted his goods.

Luke 16:20 And there was a certain beggar named Lazarus, which was laid at his gate, full of sores

Luke 16:22 And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried;

Luke 16:23 And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.

Luke 16:24 And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.

Luke 16:26 And beside all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed: so that they which would pass from hence to you cannot; neither can they pass to us, that would come from thence.

Those verses prove that both hell and "Utopia" exist side by side and people in both places can see and speak with each other.

That "great gulf" is likely the "bottomless pit".

Revelation 17:8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.

Revelation 20:1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.

Revelation 20:2 2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years

Revelation 20:3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.

The bottomless pit is likely an underground cavern that encompasses the entire Earth and as the Earth rotates, the dragon continues to fall forever.

The Earth is HOLLOW.

So where do Christians go when they die? Underground to a place that is very near the hell where non-believers go. They are very close to each other and YET they are in vastly different places.

Hell is NOT forever. It is ONLY a temporary holding cell.

Revelation 20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death

The lake of fire is forever.

Getting back to the thief on the cross
and Christ's response to him... where
was Christ "today" = the day He died.
He wasn't in "paradise" and neither was
the thief.

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Where did Jesus go when He died?
Show us from the King James Bible.

Made me fill alive for some reason.

interesting...

Of course that is simply conjecture on your part as you do not really have any knowledge concerning what became of the Old Testament Saints who were raised from the dead.

How do you justify the Transfiguration appearing of Moses and Elijah speaking with Jesus?

Is God not a God of the living and you insist on the idea that He is the God of the dead because of your world view?

Show us from the Bible that the Government of the day allows us to read....that is what you are asking.

King James = Government controlled media of the day.

you all liar i still see Him nailed on the cross
his not risen just stuck there :p

Those are images only. Maybe this is why we are told:

Exodus 20:4-6
1599 Geneva Bible (GNV)

4 Thou shalt make thee no graven image, neither any similitude of things that are in heaven above, neither that are in the earth beneath, nor that are in the waters under the earth.

5 Thou shalt not [a]bow down to them, neither serve them: for I am the Lord thy God, a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children, upon the third generation and upon the fourth of them that hate me:

6 And showing mercy unto [c]thousands to them that love me, and keep my commandments.

I would recommend you don't !!

I use two sources:

1599 Geneva Bible (GNV)
Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV) 1620 I think it is.

When the Dead Sea Scrolls were found, many with complete texts of the Bible, they found that the interpretation was still remarkably well done in those two above.

So you can't show us where Jesus went? I'm not surprised.

OK, let's talk about what you want. Tell us how the King James Bible is controlling me. I believe the entire King James Bible, so how am I being controlled? Show me the verse and apply it to my life today.

Love this topic White Angel! I have spent many a day mulling over it. A great mystery inside it all I think but here are my thoughts :)

Before this account in Matthew there were really only two states ever referred to or mentioned one that is spiritual and a bodily form. This seems to imply something else from resurrection and those mentioned here, something transitory, which is why Christ told Mary not to touch Him. If you follow it on down you will note that the references to the centurion and those that were with him, those that were shaken out of tombs and were guarding Christ is mentioned in the past tense and that all this happened not when the veil ripped but after resurrection.

This is an important thing to see I think because when Christ said "It is finished" and that veil ripped a path was formed by which we can have direct access to the Father. Something that was never really there before in that way because we were separated by sin and only allowed access to the Holy Seat on very special occasions through the temple. For three days this change rippled through our cosmos finalizing upon Christs victory over death and the introduction of this new state of being with these ones out of the tombs. They stood and bore witness in to Christ in there appearing to other people.

The question I have is is it possible they still walk with us today and if they went somewhere just where did they go? I have come across an account of a man by the name of St. Germain that is a very puzzling one and seems to indicate that some believe that it is possible that they still walk this earth.

Well said!! Amen!!

Them walking among us, I think is the real question I was asking but didn't want to sound like a complete loon. Too many hate on Believers and this is only getting worse. We aren't all knowing - rather we are still learning!!

So Jesus would also have died after his ressurection.

You'd think if this actually happened there would be more reports of this at the time. It's almost as if it didn't happened and that it was made up...

Ephesians 4:7-10: But unto every one of us is given grace according to the measure of the gift of Christ. Wherefore he saith, When he ascended up on high, he led captivity captive, and gave gifts unto men. (Now that he ascended, what is it but that he also descended first into the lower parts of the earth? He that descended is the same also that ascended up far above all heavens, that he might fill all things.)

Christ was dead for 3 days until His resurrection
from the dead... according to the scriptures.

Acts 10:40
Acts 2:24
Acts 2:27
Acts 2:32


The Apostles' Creed says it this way

" He descended into hell
The third day he rose again from the dead "

Hell = death


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Yes, excellent.

Those verses confirm what I posted previously about both "utopia" and hell are below the Earth's surface. When we die, we all go below Earth's surface to "utopia" or hell until Jesus Christ returns.

Jesus is real. Satan is real. Hell is real. Heaven is real.

The worst time in human history is coming soon. The DEAD Pope John Paul II is ascending from hell to be the antichrist when the 86 year old Pope Ratzinger dies.

Again... the difference between the
resurrection of Jesus Christ and the
raising of the other dead in the OT
and NT is this - Jesus was raised in
an incorruptible immortal glorified
body that will never die. The others
were raised in their mortal bodies.

Today, Jesus is the only one who has
an incorruptible, immortal glorified
body. The rest of those who now sleep
in Jesus will be raised with such an
immortal body at Jesus' second coming.


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He was transfigured! He did NOT die.

Acts 1:1-9
1599 Geneva Bible (GNV)
6 When they therefore were come together they asked of him, saying, Lord, wilt thou at this time restore the kingdom to Israel?

7 And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the times, or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power.

8 But ye shall receive power of the holy Ghost, when he shall come on you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem and in all Judea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.

9 And when he had spoken these things, while they beheld, he was taken up: for a cloud took him up out of their sight.

10 And while they looked steadfastly toward heaven, as he went, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel.

11 Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing into heaven? This Jesus which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come, as ye have seen him go into heaven.

No, he did not descend into hell.

After nearly 6 hours on the cross Jesus said that He entrusted His spirit into the Fathers hands before He died. He was totally restored before He died. His Spirit was not committed into anyone’s hands, but the Father’s.

So there is no possibility of him going to hell for any reason of completing the sacrifice or punishment. He did finish on the cross everything that was needed for salvation.

If Jesus went to Hell this means the Father did not accept His sacrifice, but instead rejected it.

While Jesus was on the cross He promised the thief on the cross next to him that he would be with Him in paradise that very day (Luke 23:43). If the thief was not in paradise with Him but would have entered into suffering with Jesus then Jesus lied - not possible.

Paradise was still in the earth called Abrahams bosom until Christ raised and went to heaven. Luke 16:22

Acts 2:27: Because thou wilt not leave my soul in hell, neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption.

Peter repeats himself just a few verses later in Acts 2:31:
He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption.